Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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Guess Who said:
But he took the gamble and it just so happened took work out. He didn't know it would when he took it on.
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Which one? Baez or Geragos? Casey's case was a problem from the start imo. Baez can take credit or people can give it to him if they like but I didn't find him any awesome defense atty. in it. It is also a case where I believe there was a lot of behind the scenes sh*t.

As for Geragos, Scott Peterson is guilty imo. Another Cali case as well.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I just heard similar elsewhere but sounds like it is a bit unclear and that more will be known on Monday hopefully. I honestly don't get the whole grand jury thing, they are not a thing where I live. He was already charged wasn't he, prior to this news...???
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I’m glad I’m not alone! I don’t understand grand juries and preliminary hearings, etc. What’s the difference? Especially since he was already arrested. I thought they used grand juries when they weren’t sure if they were going to arrest or not. But what do I know?
 
Kimster said:
I’m glad I’m not alone! I don’t understand grand juries and preliminary hearings, etc. What’s the difference? Especially since he was already arrested. I thought they used grand juries when they weren’t sure if they were going to arrest or not. But what do I know?
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I understand it just about the same way you just put it.

I do understand the preliminary hearing and the process with NO GRAND JURIES used quite well. I do not understand when both come in. I somewhat understand when only the grand jury is used but in this case we have both things apparently going on and that is where I get confused.
 
A little bit of an explainer, at least in Idaho.


BY SALLY KRUTZIG
UPDATED MAY 17, 2023 10:38 AM

Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in their Moscow home, has been indicted by a grand jury. Idaho Judicial Branch spokesperson Nate Poppino told the Idaho Statesman that Kohberger has been indicted and an arraignment has been set for Monday at the Latah County Courthouse. It was not immediately clear what charges the grand jury returned. The preliminary hearing set for June 26 has been canceled. That hearing, scheduled to last a week, likely would have provided previously unreleased information about the case to the public.

A prosecutor can reach an indictment in Idaho without a judge’s decision at a preliminary hearing through a grand jury. A grand jury indicted Kohberger, Poppino said. A grand jury is a panel of citizens who hear evidence and determine if criminal charges should be initiated, according to the Fourth Judicial Court website. The jury has investigative powers and can compel witnesses and request documents. “Grand jury proceedings are private and secret, prospective defendants are not entitled to be present at the proceedings, and no one is allowed to cross-examine witnesses on the defendant’s behalf,” the Fourth Judicial Court states. “Information presented to the grand jury is presented by prosecuting attorneys.”
 
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A little bit of an explainer, at least in Idaho.


BY SALLY KRUTZIG
UPDATED MAY 17, 2023 10:38 AM

Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in their Moscow home, has been indicted by a grand jury. Idaho Judicial Branch spokesperson Nate Poppino told the Idaho Statesman that Kohberger has been indicted and an arraignment has been set for Monday at the Latah County Courthouse. It was not immediately clear what charges the grand jury returned. The preliminary hearing set for June 26 has been canceled. That hearing, scheduled to last a week, likely would have provided previously unreleased information about the case to the public.

A prosecutor can reach an indictment in Idaho without a judge’s decision at a preliminary hearing through a grand jury. A grand jury indicted Kohberger, Poppino said. A grand jury is a panel of citizens who hear evidence and determine if criminal charges should be initiated, according to the Fourth Judicial Court website. The jury has investigative powers and can compel witnesses and request documents. “Grand jury proceedings are private and secret, prospective defendants are not entitled to be present at the proceedings, and no one is allowed to cross-examine witnesses on the defendant’s behalf,” the Fourth Judicial Court states. “Information presented to the grand jury is presented by prosecuting attorneys.”
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Wonder if they're trying to protect the surviving roommates a bit longer.
 
Well per this, the grand jury indictment halts the need for the preliminary. So it would certainly seem there goes the hearing that would likely release things to the public although we certainly have seen such sealed or much sealed in cases in the last year or two.

It would seem to be the reason or why bother with one if you had ample evidence to proceed by proving cause at the preliminary?

I truly don't get areas that use both, generally it is one system or the other imo or at least that's what my knowledge is.

I don't know that they are protecting the roommates or just the case in general and interest in it. It certainly doesn't limit the defense from getting discovery and knowing it all regardless.

Although I do think in the overall case, there is something up with the roommates or one or both of them. As for the GJ indictment, I think they are probably double ensuring things and/or protecting the case and info in general as long as they possibly can. But I'll be the first to admit I don't do or know the GJ thing that well. I do know it is a far more secretive process than the other route.

 
Summer_Breeze said:
A little bit of an explainer, at least in Idaho.


BY SALLY KRUTZIG
UPDATED MAY 17, 2023 10:38 AM

Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in their Moscow home, has been indicted by a grand jury. Idaho Judicial Branch spokesperson Nate Poppino told the Idaho Statesman that Kohberger has been indicted and an arraignment has been set for Monday at the Latah County Courthouse. It was not immediately clear what charges the grand jury returned. The preliminary hearing set for June 26 has been canceled. That hearing, scheduled to last a week, likely would have provided previously unreleased information about the case to the public.

A prosecutor can reach an indictment in Idaho without a judge’s decision at a preliminary hearing through a grand jury. A grand jury indicted Kohberger, Poppino said. A grand jury is a panel of citizens who hear evidence and determine if criminal charges should be initiated, according to the Fourth Judicial Court website. The jury has investigative powers and can compel witnesses and request documents. “Grand jury proceedings are private and secret, prospective defendants are not entitled to be present at the proceedings, and no one is allowed to cross-examine witnesses on the defendant’s behalf,” the Fourth Judicial Court states. “Information presented to the grand jury is presented by prosecuting attorneys.”
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This makes more sense now, :thankyou:
 
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Already charged with four counts of murder and now a GJ to also do the same/confirm it... The only thing that makes sense to me is they got him in and charged him and also pursued the GJ route hoping it would come down and put a halt to the preliminary hearing at which generally a lot more info comes out to the public. Don't understand the need for it otherwise if they have enough evidence. Or the need for both routes....
 
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Why would there EVER be a week long preliminary hearing??? I have NEVER seen such or heard of such. I HAVE seen some that share too much but never one that needed a week. Not sure I buy that or if true, can't fathom the reason why. All you need is to show ENOUGH evidence at one of those, not your entire case....

I do get the GJ indictment stems the need for a preliminary hearing but NOW I am wondering what the need would be for a week long one anyhow or why they'd be worried about such....
 
Going to have to wait I guess for the talking heads and an attorney or two and have to decide which ones are believable in knowing what this week long preliminary would be about in the first place because in the immediate rush to report I don't think that's been answered... Nor has this been entirely explained as a whole...
 
GrandmaBear said:
Why would there EVER be a week long preliminary hearing??? I have NEVER seen such or heard of such. I HAVE seen some that share too much but never one that needed a week. Not sure I buy that or if true, can't fathom the reason why. All you need is to show ENOUGH evidence at one of those, not your entire case....

I do get the GJ indictment stems the need for a preliminary hearing but NOW I am wondering what the need would be for a week long one anyhow or why they'd be worried about such....
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Just as an observation for comparison: Maya Millete's husbands' preliminary hearing was 10 days long.
 
Summer_Breeze said:
Just as an observation for comparison: Maya Millete's husbands' preliminary hearing was 10 days long.
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Seriously? Wow. Followed the case and still follow but didn't know that I don't think.

That one thought it was a long time before they felt they had enough for arrest so maybe they felt they had to string a lot together and it was some time in. In this one, Kohberger was charged in pretty short order...

Hmmm. Does that mean there isn't one or two smoking guns and they have to piece a lot together that makes a full picture?
 
GrandmaBear said:
Seriously? Wow. Followed the case and still follow but didn't know that I don't think.

That one thought it was a long time before they felt they had enough for arrest so maybe they felt they had to string a lot together and it was some time in. In this one, Kohberger was charged in pretty short order...

Hmmm. Does that mean there isn't one or two smoking guns and they have to piece a lot together that makes a full picture?
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Yes, seriously. :drumroll: And....Mayas' is a "no body" case, so less forensic evidence, evidence of actual death, coroner reporting, etc.

I'm not all that great at guessing prosecution/defense strategy, but in this case I THINK the prosecution, in pursuing the grand jury indictment, may have been trying to avoid having witnesses cross examined before the actual trial, during the preliminary trial. Might have given the defense some ideas of where to plan to poke holes. KWIM??

I'll take it if it moves this case closer to actual trial faster.

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Summer_Breeze said:
Yes, seriously. :drumroll: And....Mayas' is a "no body" case, so less forensic evidence, evidence of actual death, coroner reporting, etc.

I'm not all that great at guessing prosecution/defense strategy, but in this case I THINK the prosecution, in pursuing the grand jury indictment, may have been trying to avoid having witnesses cross examined before the actual trial, during the preliminary trial. Might have given the defense some ideas of where to plan to poke holes. KWIM??

I'll take it if it moves this case closer to actual trial faster.

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In Maya's I understand it as they honestly had to go on no body, less evidence and put a lot together and needed time most likely to portray that at preliminary and prove they had enough for a case to proceed.

in Kohberger's a far more quick arrest, I would hope that isn't the case, they have bodies and probably some solid other evidence like DNA, etc.

I DO agree it may be a strategy and if the GJ came back before prelim then yes, they avoid a process where both the public and defense would know more and know it more quickly. Regardless I think though that they have to provide discovery to defense in fairly short order. Some try to fudge that or take time but look what happened in Daybell/Vallow in the very same state. She ended up with the DP removed due to such delays and the cases ended up severed. Hers and Chad's.

Soooo just so they stay on top of it and on the ball. BK has a defense atty that isn't any new babe in the woods....
 
GrandmaBear said:
Why would there EVER be a week long preliminary hearing??? I have NEVER seen such or heard of such. I HAVE seen some that share too much but never one that needed a week. Not sure I buy that or if true, can't fathom the reason why. All you need is to show ENOUGH evidence at one of those, not your entire case....

I do get the GJ indictment stems the need for a preliminary hearing but NOW I am wondering what the need would be for a week long one anyhow or why they'd be worried about such....
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How long was the Daybell prelim hearing? They had a few witnesses, yes?
 
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