Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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RoundPeg said:
I think they do want to see justice. They are trusting the prosecution to do that job for them.
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I thought the same and probably so but will say that I felt that we/all had to ensure it, back it up, add the impact statements, etc. Not that I didn't trust it, more that we/I had to be there for her, show it, back it up and all who were affected should if they could. It was doing it for her.

Again not knocking it, or the decision, just don't think I could feel that way, to me, of course you do this for her. (In our case, was a "her"). BUT it doesn't change things and it was hugely stressful so there is that... But I think not doing it would have been as much so.

But we are all different and get through in our own ways.
 
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Idaho murder suspect wants cameras prohibited from trial, future court hearings

MOSCOW, Idaho - The man accused of killing four University of Idaho college students last fall does not want cameras allowed in his upcoming trial or any other proceedings, citing
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MOSCOW, Idaho - The man accused of killing four University of Idaho college students last fall does not want cameras allowed in his upcoming trial or any other proceedings, citing the "prejudicial effects of trial publicity."

Bryan Kohbeger filed a motion to exclude cameras in response to a request from a group of news agencies, including KXLY, to allow cameras in court.

A judge will hear arguments on the issue at a hearing later this week.

In his opposition, Kohberger's attorney writes that "audio/visual coverage has become material for news outlets and social media accounts to espouse their unfounded opinions."

He cites social media posts, TikTok videos and podcasts that attempt to "analyze Mr. Kohberger's demeanor by observing his body language... and describing him using phrases such as 'cold iciness.'"

Several paragraphs of the brief include references to coverage that included so-called experts analyzing his body language and citing studies that appear to disprove the value of examining body language in other cases.

Kohberger also argues that cameras in court can make participants act differently and that having cameras "places additional responsibilities on the trial judge" that could distract from presiding over the proceedings.

Attorneys representing the news organizations say the First Amendment guarantees the right of access "because it enhances the quality and safeguards the integrity of the factfinding process with benefits to both the defendant and society as a whole."
 
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Goncalves family motion to lift gag order in Bryan Kohberger Murder trial reviewed

The family of Kaylee Goncalves was in court today as Judge John Judge reviewed their motion to contest the gag order in their daughter's murder trial.
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By: Christine Coates
Posted at 12:30 PM, Jun 09, 2023
and last updated 2:30 PM, Jun 09, 2023
MOSCOW, Idaho — The family of Kaylee Goncalves, who was one of the four victims murdered in the University of Idaho off-campus house last November, was in court today as Judge John Judge reviewed their motion to contest the gag order in the case.

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Attorney Shanon Gray, representing the Goncalves family, immediately started arguing with the Judge stating that the order was too broad, going so far as to say he didn't think the Judge had the authority to better define what could and could not be said.

The prosecution, led by Bill Thompson, stated that Gray is preventing investigators from interviewing his clients and making misrepresentations. Thompson also submits that the gag order is not overly vague, as the Goncalves family are potential witnesses for trial and sentencing in the case.


The defense says no matter what someone says or does, it'll be an attack on Kohberger. Citing the need for his safety, and that people talking about the case could cause a frenzy leading Kohberger to a firing squad.

After hearing from all parties, the Judge announced that he will not make a decision today, that he will review the briefings, and get a decision out shortly.

The gag order essentially prohibits attorneys, prosecutors, law enforcement, and others from discussing anything with the media or the public about the trial or investigation that is not part of the public record. The intention of this order is to prevent prejudice due to pre-trial publicity.

Secondarily, the non-dissemination order curbs the ability for either party to try the case in the press, creating a public opinion or mood, that would impact the right of due process.

Additionally, over 30 news organizations have joined to request that the gag order be lifted.
 
Summer_Breeze said:
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Goncalves family motion to lift gag order in Bryan Kohberger Murder trial reviewed

The family of Kaylee Goncalves was in court today as Judge John Judge reviewed their motion to contest the gag order in their daughter's murder trial.
www.kivitv.com www.kivitv.com

By: Christine Coates
Posted at 12:30 PM, Jun 09, 2023
and last updated 2:30 PM, Jun 09, 2023
MOSCOW, Idaho — The family of Kaylee Goncalves, who was one of the four victims murdered in the University of Idaho off-campus house last November, was in court today as Judge John Judge reviewed their motion to contest the gag order in the case.

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Attorney Shanon Gray, representing the Goncalves family, immediately started arguing with the Judge stating that the order was too broad, going so far as to say he didn't think the Judge had the authority to better define what could and could not be said.

The prosecution, led by Bill Thompson, stated that Gray is preventing investigators from interviewing his clients and making misrepresentations. Thompson also submits that the gag order is not overly vague, as the Goncalves family are potential witnesses for trial and sentencing in the case.


The defense says no matter what someone says or does, it'll be an attack on Kohberger. Citing the need for his safety, and that people talking about the case could cause a frenzy leading Kohberger to a firing squad.

After hearing from all parties, the Judge announced that he will not make a decision today, that he will review the briefings, and get a decision out shortly.

The gag order essentially prohibits attorneys, prosecutors, law enforcement, and others from discussing anything with the media or the public about the trial or investigation that is not part of the public record. The intention of this order is to prevent prejudice due to pre-trial publicity.

Secondarily, the non-dissemination order curbs the ability for either party to try the case in the press, creating a public opinion or mood, that would impact the right of due process.

Additionally, over 30 news organizations have joined to request that the gag order be lifted.
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I forget what other case recently by I remarked on it, the judge ruled it wasn't constitutional for a gag order/a broad one especially I think.

Kaylee's folks are unlikely to testify at the trial in my opinion UNLESS they know something relevant to the murders and to the four students and Brian Kohberger that NO ONE else knew or no evidence can provide, etc. So that's an excuse OR THERE IS SOMETHING. Jmo.

I don't believe in gag orders that extend past the attorneys trying to try their case in the press in some cases MAYBE. Jmo.
 
Not always the biggest fan of these kinds of stations or shows, etc. due to who they have on sometimes and other things but this is pretty good. I DO get where Kaylee's dad is coming from although I don't know that his way especially in the beginning of going about it was the best BUT that's because you don't mess with the powers that be if you want to not be knocked down, much the same and I don't agree with all there either, but like Dylan's Round's parents have done, coming down on LE, etc.

THIS is the disconnect between the average person who doesn't ever expect such extreme tragedy and doesn't know or live a life in the legal system but LE and prosecutors do. I felt this way. These families feel this way. LE is doing their job most of the time but to the families this is ONE thing, not several cases and LE has to be intentional and nonemotional but the families need answers and are grieving and emotional. LE are not their counselors BUT they need answers BUT LE can't share all. Etc. It needs to be better.

That's my opinion not what was said here, but how I look at it.

And Kaylee's dad said and Vinnie said it was good and I agree, HOW can the TRUTH contaminate anything???

It is a pretty good and thought provoking watch, not because of VInny, etc. but just because things have gone so much towards the defendants and the victims oh my goodness don't have what is needed. Nor does the community, etc. Facts are facts, why is it so risky to put THOSE out there.

This is more my rant and takeoff on all going on these days than what the show touches on but it is a pretty good show.

 
GrandmaBear said:
Not always the biggest fan of these kinds of stations or shows, etc. due to who they have on sometimes and other things but this is pretty good. I DO get where Kaylee's dad is coming from although I don't know that his way especially in the beginning of going about it was the best BUT that's because you don't mess with the powers that be if you want to not be knocked down, much the same and I don't agree with all there either, but like Dylan's Round's parents have done, coming down on LE, etc.

THIS is the disconnect between the average person who doesn't ever expect such extreme tragedy and doesn't know or live a life in the legal system but LE and prosecutors do. I felt this way. These families feel this way. LE is doing their job most of the time but to the families this is ONE thing, not several cases and LE has to be intentional and nonemotional but the families need answers and are grieving and emotional. LE are not their counselors BUT they need answers BUT LE can't share all. Etc. It needs to be better.

That's my opinion not what was said here, but how I look at it.

And Kaylee's dad said and Vinnie said it was good and I agree, HOW can the TRUTH contaminate anything???

It is a pretty good and thought provoking watch, not because of VInny, etc. but just because things have gone so much towards the defendants and the victims oh my goodness don't have what is needed. Nor does the community, etc. Facts are facts, why is it so risky to put THOSE out there.

This is more my rant and takeoff on all going on these days than what the show touches on but it is a pretty good show.

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Jeez Louise how many cases do we not hear about or know about? Plenty. During a commercial on this Court TV talks of a girl that through lye and water on her father when he was sleeping. He died. Said she was a teen, didn't say how old of a teen on the break. Live coverage starting next week I think of the trial. Never heard of this one... Anyone else heard of it?

Facing possible life in prison. But we know life doesn't' mean life does it... :(
 
GrandmaBear said:
Jeez Louise how many cases do we not hear about or know about? Plenty. During a commercial on this Court TV talks of a girl that through lye and water on her father when he was sleeping. He died. Said she was a teen, didn't say how old of a teen on the break. Live coverage starting next week I think of the trial. Never heard of this one... Anyone else heard of it?

Facing possible life in prison. But we know life doesn't' mean life does it... :(
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Is there a thread for it?
 
GrandmaBear said:
Jeez Louise how many cases do we not hear about or know about? Plenty. During a commercial on this Court TV talks of a girl that through lye and water on her father when he was sleeping. He died. Said she was a teen, didn't say how old of a teen on the break. Live coverage starting next week I think of the trial. Never heard of this one... Anyone else heard of it?

Facing possible life in prison. But we know life doesn't' mean life does it... :(
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I saw one this morning from 2006. 15 year old put a bag over a 59 year old woman's head. Beat her head with a bat and stabbed her 27 times. His interrogation. No remorse. He was smirking in court. NEVER LET HIM OUT! IDC The age when doing that. He was charged as an adult. At least 27 years. But already up for parole?. Not granted. But how?.!!!
 
RoundPeg said:
I'm behind so have no comment/opinion. Trying to catch up.

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"Under Idaho law, a criminal defendant normally has 10 days to offer information on whether they plan to provide an alibi showing they were not at the scene when the alleged offense took place – but a judge can extend that deadline."


If he HAD an alibi to give, why on earth would he not give it?
If he could prove that he was elsewhere (an alibi...) he would not be in custody right now. I understand the idea that maybe you don't want to "show all your cards" before heading to trial. But if you have an actual, solid ALIBI, you're not GOING to trial!
But I suspect his "alibi" will be something like, "I wasn't there because I was somewhere else. I can't prove it. But you can't prove where I was either."
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
"Under Idaho law, a criminal defendant normally has 10 days to offer information on whether they plan to provide an alibi showing they were not at the scene when the alleged offense took place – but a judge can extend that deadline."


If he HAD an alibi to give, why on earth would he not give it?
If he could prove that he was elsewhere (an alibi...) he would not be in custody right now. I understand the idea that maybe you don't want to "show all your cards" before heading to trial. But if you have an actual, solid ALIBI, you're not GOING to trial!
But I suspect his "alibi" will be something like, "I wasn't there because I was somewhere else. I can't prove it. But you can't prove where I was either."
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Stall tactics. And they are allowed to do it. You see it all the time.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
I get that. But if you're innocent and you have an ALIBI, you're not going to stall to spend more time in jail as an innocent person.
Makes you look more guilty, IMO.
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Sorry. Yes. I saw that and that was my automatic thought. Absolutely. It does make him look more guilty. I'm sorry, "Innocent until proven guilty". Sometimes you do know ahead of time. I'm not going to take the wrap for a crime I didn't commit. I don't understand that at all. No. He has an ALILIE. If it can't be corroborated then...His can't obviously.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
"Under Idaho law, a criminal defendant normally has 10 days to offer information on whether they plan to provide an alibi showing they were not at the scene when the alleged offense took place – but a judge can extend that deadline."


If he HAD an alibi to give, why on earth would he not give it?
If he could prove that he was elsewhere (an alibi...) he would not be in custody right now. I understand the idea that maybe you don't want to "show all your cards" before heading to trial. But if you have an actual, solid ALIBI, you're not GOING to trial!
But I suspect his "alibi" will be something like, "I wasn't there because I was somewhere else. I can't prove it. But you can't prove where I was either."
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No one in prison is guilty. Didn't do it. Wasn't there right?. When you're caught. You're caught. Especially now. Just give in to the fact you are caught. You don't have to admit you're guilty. It still gets me when they have DNA. The perpetrator continues to deny after being confronted. Yeah O.K.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
I get that. But if you're innocent and you have an ALIBI, you're not going to stall to spend more time in jail as an innocent person.
Makes you look more guilty, IMO.
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It sure does! Even if your best alibi is that you were home alone, you would state that. It only makes me think they are waiting to find out what proof they have of where he was or wasn't so they don't say the wrong thing.
 
Guess Who said:
It sure does! Even if your best alibi is that you were home alone, you would state that. It only makes me think they are waiting to find out what proof they have of where he was or wasn't so they don't say the wrong thing.
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Agree completely. I was home. Therefore my cell was. That's one big thing. Alot of perpetrators seem to forget that.
 
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Bryan Kohberger trial piles pressure on Idaho prosecutor's finances

Prosecutor Bill Thompson has asked for over $100,000 more than is usually budgeted to help cover the cost of the Kohberger case.
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BY GERRARD KAONGA ON 6/15/23 AT 5:50 AM EDT

The Bryan Kohberger murder trial is expected to be financially draining for the prosecution, which has recently asked for more money to avoid "cutting corners" in the case, according to reports.

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Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson met with the county commissioners on Tuesday to submit his office annual budget request and proposed a significantly higher sum than most years.

Thompson requested $135,000 for trial expenses, a big leap from the $15,000 that has been consistently budgeted in previous years, according to a Lewiston Tribune report.

This money would be used for trial expenses, including paying for the services of expert witnesses, witness travel fees, transcript fees and exhibit displays.

"It's hard to project exactly what's going to be involved. We know that it's not going to be cheap," Thompson said.

He added that he and his office were trying to keep the budget projections conservative but "we need to make sure that we don't cut corners on anything with regard to making sure this case is handled properly."

The Latah County Prosecutor's Office has so far submitted over 51 terabytes of data as part of the discovery process, according to a New York Post report.

This has included: "thousands of pages of discovery, thousands of photographs, hundreds of hours of recordings, many gigabytes of electronic phone record and social media data," according to court documents.

The commissioners are expected to adopt the county's annual budget in September and Kohberger's trial is set for October.
 
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