Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Cause and manner are pending. They just recently found her.

www.wfmz.com

Monroe County coroner calls in extra help to identify missing Stroudsburg woman's remains

'We're working with limited visible attributes that would identify a person, so we have to go with things like dental records, and that is what we did in this case.'
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Something is up here. IF they have it right that the GJ that Kohberger's parents were subpoenaed to testify at is THIS CASE of THIS WOMAN, wow what fast movement if she was only recently found. Or was she found due to something they found in BK's phone or to do with his parents, etc.? It really doesn't go into who found her, how, if they stumbled on her, etc.

There HAS to be something that in the finding of her or where found or something that brings it back to Brian or his parents, etc. and again what a fast GJ called on this. Maybe his "solid" alibi is now suspect as maybe she was found somewhere or in some other manner that relates right back to him and blows the case wide open...

They aren't doing this for no reason. They didn't subpoena his parents for no reason. AND the Kohbergers who sound as if they are pretty broke did not get an attorney to try to quash the subpoenaes for no reason...
 
Cousin Dupree said:
This woman wasn't killed by knife. Kohberger also put up a questionnaire, IIRC about how someone would feel after committing a murder? If he had already committed one, why would he do that? I can see some reasons, but it seems he hadn't murdered anyone yet when he wrote it.
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I don't know how you could possibly know she wasn't killed by a knife and even if she wasn't, why would that mean he didn't do it...? As to the questionnaire, he may be fascinated by it all and wanted to talk with others or brag what he had done but couldn't as he didn't want to get caught so he was using that to find out others sick feelings on committing murders. It also could have been to compare how he felt after her murder to how other murderers felt after committing murder...

They aren't connecting dots here and bringing in his parents for NO reason to a GJ no less...
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
How do you know she wasn't killed by a knife? That has not been released. Her remains were skeletal and certainly couldn't be determined immediately.

I'm not saying he did it. But even if she wasn't killed by a knife, that does not rule anyone out... Nor does putting out his little survey. Maybe he wanted to see if others felt the same way he did.
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I should have read further like usual. I agree totally. There is some reason for all of this.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
If I understand the purpose of a grand jury correctly, prosecutors believe they have some level of evidence, and the jury must determine if there is enough evidence to bring charges / issue an indictment.

A grand jury would not be convened without some level of prior investigation and some level of potential evidence. They're not just going to bring them together to say "this guy lived near the area and was arrested for other murders". They have to have something more. Then the grand jury would decide if what they have amounts to charges, or if it's actually just a bunch of nothing or completely circumstantial.

There is also a slight possibility that his parents are witnesses to some other aspect of the crime and it has nothing to do with him (though unlikely).
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Again I agree and feel the same. There is something here. Not sure it is enough but then how could we know? But this isn't happening for no reason.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
It's possible that Bryan was a friend of the guy they suspect killed the woman. They want more information on that before they ask to depose him.
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And his folks have that info? That would be mostly hearsay I'd think. My best guess is the folks are in there as maybe they provided the alibi...
 
GrandmaBear said:
Something is up here. IF they have it right that the GJ that Kohberger's parents were subpoenaed to testify at is THIS CASE of THIS WOMAN, wow what fast movement if she was only recently found. Or was she found due to something they found in BK's phone or to do with his parents, etc.? It really doesn't go into who found her, how, if they stumbled on her, etc.

There HAS to be something that in the finding of her or where found or something that brings it back to Brian or his parents, etc. and again what a fast GJ called on this. Maybe his "solid" alibi is now suspect as maybe she was found somewhere or in some other manner that relates right back to him and blows the case wide open...

They aren't doing this for no reason. They didn't subpoena his parents for no reason. AND the Kohbergers who sound as if they are pretty broke did not get an attorney to try to quash the subpoenaes for no reason...
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Could they be subpoened to prove the alibi so the jury didn't try to pin it on BK? I dunno, I'm grasping at straws.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
How do you know she wasn't killed by a knife? That has not been released. Her remains were skeletal and certainly couldn't be determined immediately.

I'm not saying he did it. But even if she wasn't killed by a knife, that does not rule anyone out... Nor does putting out his little survey. Maybe he wanted to see if others felt the same way he did.
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Or if he was feeling the same way as somebody that had also done it.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
When killed by a knife the bones of a person usually show some scraping. You're right, I don't know, but it seems the evidence doesn't point in that direction. It sounds to me like she may have been killed in a way that is hard to figure out with a year's worth of decomposition. You're right, it's just an assumption on my part.
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That would also depend on exactly where they were stabbed. There are plenty of places it could penetrate enough to cause death without hitting bone
 
Kimster said:
Could they be subpoened to prove the alibi so the jury didn't try to pin it on BK? I dunno, I'm grasping at straws.
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I don't know if i am overworked and just tired and cant think but I don't understand what you mean here. Do you mean so that the grand jury wouldn't pin it on Brian? Why would they have any interest in doing that unless proof of such?

And why would the prosecution want to subpoena them and prove his alibi? There isn't any defense involved in a grand jury, I know that much, it is all prosecution.

I just mean I don't get what you mean, I am lost with it.

I do think a grand jury can call in who they like if something leads them to someone, etc. they think they need to question or hear from.

Again I am totally lost as to what is meant and that's probably just me but I think it more likely the parents or one of them provided Brian's alibi and they are questioning them to prove it isn't legit...?
 
Cousin Dupree said:
What sucks is GJ testimony is sealed.
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I can't help but wonder (and maybe it is known but I have limited time these days) just how this info all came out/hit the news since yeah, grand juries are secret, etc.... It seemed like we had was it Dateline(?) saying a sister wondered about him with the ID murders and about in the same day or one after came this GJ info, etc. I'm not saying it is related but for the GJ family plays in yet again with the parents called. With the sister in Dateline she said her father wasn't on board as to what she thought or at least likely hoped it wasn't true...

Maybe it was just all timing, plus Brian's GJ thing in ID which halted the need for a preliminary and his stand mute not guilty plea. All came to us at about the same time in these past days... For a case that has a gag order, sure a lot of other stuff of interest...
 
Last night I was going back to the beginning in my mind and one thing that's never made sense about this case is when 911 was called. There's still talk on the internet that students in both colleges knew about it at 9AM. DIdn't BK drive back over to the house around that time? I wonder if the news got to him, too and he wanted to see what was going on. This leads me to believe that might have something to do with the roommate being compelled to talk to the defense, too.
 
Kimster said:
Last night I was going back to the beginning in my mind and one thing that's never made sense about this case is when 911 was called. There's still talk on the internet that students in both colleges knew about it at 9AM. DIdn't BK drive back over to the house around that time? I wonder if the news got to him, too and he wanted to see what was going on. This leads me to believe that might have something to do with the roommate being compelled to talk to the defense, too.
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911 wasn't called until almost noon...

I don't know either. I know that I feel there is SOMEthing about this case that we don't know. Some connection between him and one of the students or all, some activity that night or just something...

The roommates not calling 911 for so long is a hard one to understand... The roommates silence has lent to it all and the recent subpoena of BF by the defense just adds to wondering WTH? I mean it may be just a defense tactic but when added into all the other questions re the roommates I'm not so sure.

Now in a total 180 degree shift we have a grand jury in PA and another dead woman and new questions...

And we have two families reserving the right to sue Moscow.

I can't help but think there is going to be some history here with Brian. Whether he was bothering one and cops didn't do anything about it, whether one was actually friend with him or decent to him, whether he attended some party of theirs, whether they thought him odd and picked on him in some way... I just don't know. Shortly after his arrest, Kaylee's vocal dad said no idea who he was and no connection and then not long after, very quicky (think someone informed him otherwise) he took that back and said there was one. Now that connection could be as simple as him being some online friend or messaging or something or it could be something more...

All I know is we sure don't know all in this one and there is MORE we don't know without a doubt...
 
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