Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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The knife instead of a crevice tool. That makes sense he didn't have the sheath by then.
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I think so and I think it makes the most sense. Not that I can be sure of course. I'm sure she likely told LE more of what she meant by a vacuum type thing, whether this or something else, but this would be more of a knife length or shape imo. I never envisioned an actual vacuum. In fact I find the thought of a perp carrying a vac with to a planned murder site to be a bit ridiculous, no offense eto anyone but it just doesn't add up for me. And like @Kimster said, it would make noise AND take time and he didn't waste much time...
 
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Bryan Kohberger case: Idaho judge unseals transcript of closed-door IGG hearing

An Idaho judge has unsealed a 175-page partially redacted transcript of a closed-door hearing with Bryan Kohberger's defense team related to genetic evidence.
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Bryan Kohberger case: Idaho judge unseals transcript of closed-door IGG hearing​

An Idaho judge has unsealed a 175-page partially redacted transcript of a closed-door hearing in which University of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense team sought to undermine the credibility of investigative genetic genealogy research that helped police zero in on him in connection with a quadruple homicide.

Ada County Judge Steven Hippler had previously told both the prosecution and defense to propose redactions before releasing the transcript from a Jan. 23 hearing.

Taylor tried to portray the investigative genetic genealogy evidence, or IGG, as improperly left out of the probable cause affidavit used to justify several warrants in the case, including her client's arrest and multiple searches.

But Moscow Police Detective Brett Payne, the leader investigator, testified that the IGG lead was merely a tip and said authorities dug up more evidence that they allege linked Kohberger to the case.

"We made that decision in an effort to independently verify the information that was provided to us as a tip from the FBI, in much the same way we would any other tip in law enforcement," he testified. " So it was not in any way meant to obfuscate any sort of information, it was simply can we validate Mr. Kohberger's involvement in this incident or can we not. That was it."

Redacted information includes the identity of the surviving housemate who witnessed a man with "bushy eyebrows" leaving after she overheard sounds of a struggle, as well as the names of four brothers who were identified as potential relatives of Kohberger during the IGG process. The identities of the brothers and other distant relatives are subject to a prior protective order in the case.

Matthew Gamette, director of the Idaho State Police Forensic Services crime lab, testified that at Othram's urging, an ISP detective reached out to one of those brothers and asked him to submit his DNA to a database that law enforcement would be allowed to search.

The unidentified man at first doubted the detective's identity and later declined to cooperate, telling police not to contact him again. By Dec. 10, 2022, the FBI stepped in. Nine days later, they shared Kohberger's name with Detective Payne.'

Defense expert Dr. Leah Larkin, a genetic genealogist, testified that based on her review of discovery documents, she believes someone at the FBI violated an internal policy and the terms of service of one or more genealogy databases to come up with the lead that led to Kohberger.

"I believe we asked them to turn over the match lists, and they were like, oh, we can't turn over the whole match list because it was 20,000 people," she testified. "And that, actually, right there was a big tip-off because if they had only used GEDMatch PRO and only used FamilyTreeDNA, I think at most they could have gotten to about 10,000. So that right there tipped me off that they were in a database that they should not have been able to be in."

Through further discovery, she said the FBI "admitted to" using MyHeritage and GEDMatch (without the "PRO"), databases law enforcement isn't supposed to search.

The FBI declined to comment and instead pointed to Hippler's Feb. 17 order, which found investigators had not violated Kohberger's constitutional rights with the IGG searches.

Hippler ultimately rejected the defense motion to have IGG evidence tossed, finding nothing the FBI did violated Kohberger's constitutional rights.

During a two-day public proceeding that followed the closed hearing last month, the defense argued that the FBI violated Kohberger's Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Read the transcript here:
 
I watched Scott Reisch on the above last night who is a good one for explaining all the legal stuff.

First off he called the released transcripts a nothing burger for the most part. Came down on ID for sealing such to begin with saying there was no real or good reason to do so. I am paraphrasing. Hippler quickly moved to release such. The sealing of court records has gotten ridiculous, I entirely agree.

The redactions are largely names and we all already know the name of the roommate, most of it wasn't anything very secret at this point to begin with. Regardless, they are redacted anyhow, it isn't reason for sealing.

As to the feds and the databases, there is no law about them going into these databases, it is simply policy or procedure. They violated no law is how it was ruled on.

Anyhow, he explains it all well in last night's show and it doesn't take very long.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
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Bryan Kohberger case: Idaho judge unseals transcript of closed-door IGG hearing

An Idaho judge has unsealed a 175-page partially redacted transcript of a closed-door hearing with Bryan Kohberger's defense team related to genetic evidence.
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Bryan Kohberger case: Idaho judge unseals transcript of closed-door IGG hearing​

An Idaho judge has unsealed a 175-page partially redacted transcript of a closed-door hearing in which University of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense team sought to undermine the credibility of investigative genetic genealogy research that helped police zero in on him in connection with a quadruple homicide.

Ada County Judge Steven Hippler had previously told both the prosecution and defense to propose redactions before releasing the transcript from a Jan. 23 hearing.

Taylor tried to portray the investigative genetic genealogy evidence, or IGG, as improperly left out of the probable cause affidavit used to justify several warrants in the case, including her client's arrest and multiple searches.

But Moscow Police Detective Brett Payne, the leader investigator, testified that the IGG lead was merely a tip and said authorities dug up more evidence that they allege linked Kohberger to the case.

"We made that decision in an effort to independently verify the information that was provided to us as a tip from the FBI, in much the same way we would any other tip in law enforcement," he testified. " So it was not in any way meant to obfuscate any sort of information, it was simply can we validate Mr. Kohberger's involvement in this incident or can we not. That was it."

Redacted information includes the identity of the surviving housemate who witnessed a man with "bushy eyebrows" leaving after she overheard sounds of a struggle, as well as the names of four brothers who were identified as potential relatives of Kohberger during the IGG process. The identities of the brothers and other distant relatives are subject to a prior protective order in the case.

Matthew Gamette, director of the Idaho State Police Forensic Services crime lab, testified that at Othram's urging, an ISP detective reached out to one of those brothers and asked him to submit his DNA to a database that law enforcement would be allowed to search.

The unidentified man at first doubted the detective's identity and later declined to cooperate, telling police not to contact him again. By Dec. 10, 2022, the FBI stepped in. Nine days later, they shared Kohberger's name with Detective Payne.'

Defense expert Dr. Leah Larkin, a genetic genealogist, testified that based on her review of discovery documents, she believes someone at the FBI violated an internal policy and the terms of service of one or more genealogy databases to come up with the lead that led to Kohberger.

"I believe we asked them to turn over the match lists, and they were like, oh, we can't turn over the whole match list because it was 20,000 people," she testified. "And that, actually, right there was a big tip-off because if they had only used GEDMatch PRO and only used FamilyTreeDNA, I think at most they could have gotten to about 10,000. So that right there tipped me off that they were in a database that they should not have been able to be in."

Through further discovery, she said the FBI "admitted to" using MyHeritage and GEDMatch (without the "PRO"), databases law enforcement isn't supposed to search.

The FBI declined to comment and instead pointed to Hippler's Feb. 17 order, which found investigators had not violated Kohberger's constitutional rights with the IGG searches.

Hippler ultimately rejected the defense motion to have IGG evidence tossed, finding nothing the FBI did violated Kohberger's constitutional rights.

During a two-day public proceeding that followed the closed hearing last month, the defense argued that the FBI violated Kohberger's Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Read the transcript here:
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Oh, I have to read this. I have to go right now, but I’ll come back to it.
 
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Idaho college murders: FBI is building a 3D model of the King Road house for the trial

Prosecutors say the model will be "based on depictions, documentation, and measurements taken at the scene" prior to the home's demolition in December 2023.
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Idaho college murders: FBI is building a 3D model of the King Road house for the trial​

Idaho prosecutors want to present an FBI-constructed 3D model of the home where four college students were found brutally stabbed to death in 2022 at the suspect's trial this summer.

The request was part of a series of filings made public Tuesday, and comes after the three-story King Road house in Moscow, located on the edge of the University of Idaho campus, was demolished a year after the quadruple killings.

"This model will consist of three levels which can be removed by level to show the interior layout of the residence," prosecutors wrote in the filing. "The interior layout will depict wall and door placements (i.e. no furniture, human depictions, etc.)."

The FBI's reconstruction is "based on depictions, documentation, and measurements taken at the scene prior to demolition," and would "aid witnesses in their testimony," prosecutors said.

Families of two of the victims had previously sought to postpone the razing of the home, arguing that the University of Idaho should wait until after the trial was completed in the event more evidence must be collected from the scene.

But Latah County prosecutor Bill Thompson had said the condition of the home was substantially different in the months following the killings and investigators believed they had gathered enough information to create an exhibit of the scene for trial.
 

Idaho prosecution seeks to limit murder suspect Kohberger’s alibi, alternative evidence​

Prosecutors in the case against Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger have sought to restrict his ability to present an alibi defense, evidence of any mental health conditions and the possibility of other suspects in the quadruple homicide.

The defense countered with efforts to have the judge limit a witness from describing a male suspect with “bushy eyebrows,” and expert testimony over the type of DNA found at the crime scene that police allege matches Kohberger. His public defense also will try to narrow the conditions that must be met for Kohberger to receive the death penalty if he is convicted of the November 2022 Moscow homicides, according to the latest court filings.

In earlier filings, Kohberger’s defense acknowledged he was out driving alone, as had become a habit late at night, but elsewhere at the time of the early morning attack at a home near the University of Idaho. His attorneys later clarified that he was often near southeastern Washington’s Wawawai County Park, about 30 miles southwest of the college campus in Moscow, to watch the stars and the moon.

The assertion that Kohberger was elsewhere when the four U of I students were fatally stabbed, including without witness corroboration, does not meet legal requirements in the state for an alibi, prosecutors have argued. The previous judge in the case also initially labeled Kohberger’s submission of his claimed whereabouts a “so-called alibi, not really an alibi.”

Led by Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson, the prosecution asked Ada County Judge Steve Hippler to limit any alibi claims at trial to Kohberger testifying to it himself. Even so, Thompson wrote in a legal brief released Tuesday, the defense had still yet to specify where the defendant was at the time of the crime, or identify anyone else who can help confirm his whereabouts.


Furthermore, prosecutors want to prevent Kohberger’s attorneys from raising arguments at trial about possible alternative perpetrators, another court filing read. Police received thousands of tips about possible suspects during the homicide investigation, which garnered national interest, Thompson wrote. From those, only information regarding Kohberger was substantiated, he added.

“The state submits that any attempt by the defendant to offer or argue an alternative perpetrator theory without evidence specifically connecting person(s) other than the defendant to the homicides would do nothing more than mislead and confuse the jury and would also result in undue delay, waste of time, would be a needless presentation of cumulative evidence, and unfairly prejudice the state,” the filing read.
 
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Bryan Kohberger’s defense may seek to remove death penalty, citing autism spectrum disorder

BOISE, Idaho — The defense team for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, may be seeking to remove the death penalty as
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Bryan Kohberger’s defense may seek to remove death penalty, citing autism spectrum disorder​

The defense team for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, may be seeking to remove the death penalty as a sentencing option by arguing that he may be on the autism spectrum.

A motion titled “Motion to Strike the Death Penalty RE: Autism Spectrum Disorder” appeared on Kohberger’s case summary page on the Idaho Courts website Tuesday, but the full motion wasn't publicly posted.

NonStop Local KHQ submitted a records request for the motion, however a second motion filed on Tuesday suggested the parties agreed to file the motion to strike the death penalty under seal, meaning the information may not be made available, even with a records request.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
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Bryan Kohberger’s defense may seek to remove death penalty, citing autism spectrum disorder

BOISE, Idaho — The defense team for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, may be seeking to remove the death penalty as
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Bryan Kohberger’s defense may seek to remove death penalty, citing autism spectrum disorder​

The defense team for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, may be seeking to remove the death penalty as a sentencing option by arguing that he may be on the autism spectrum.

A motion titled “Motion to Strike the Death Penalty RE: Autism Spectrum Disorder” appeared on Kohberger’s case summary page on the Idaho Courts website Tuesday, but the full motion wasn't publicly posted.

NonStop Local KHQ submitted a records request for the motion, however a second motion filed on Tuesday suggested the parties agreed to file the motion to strike the death penalty under seal, meaning the information may not be made available, even with a records request.
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I don’t see how that could fly in a death penalty case. It's neurological in nature, not a severe mental illness. He knows right from wrong. IMO
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:

Idaho prosecution seeks to limit murder suspect Kohberger’s alibi, alternative evidence​

Prosecutors in the case against Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger have sought to restrict his ability to present an alibi defense, evidence of any mental health conditions and the possibility of other suspects in the quadruple homicide.

The defense countered with efforts to have the judge limit a witness from describing a male suspect with “bushy eyebrows,” and expert testimony over the type of DNA found at the crime scene that police allege matches Kohberger. His public defense also will try to narrow the conditions that must be met for Kohberger to receive the death penalty if he is convicted of the November 2022 Moscow homicides, according to the latest court filings.

In earlier filings, Kohberger’s defense acknowledged he was out driving alone, as had become a habit late at night, but elsewhere at the time of the early morning attack at a home near the University of Idaho. His attorneys later clarified that he was often near southeastern Washington’s Wawawai County Park, about 30 miles southwest of the college campus in Moscow, to watch the stars and the moon.

The assertion that Kohberger was elsewhere when the four U of I students were fatally stabbed, including without witness corroboration, does not meet legal requirements in the state for an alibi, prosecutors have argued. The previous judge in the case also initially labeled Kohberger’s submission of his claimed whereabouts a “so-called alibi, not really an alibi.”

Led by Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson, the prosecution asked Ada County Judge Steve Hippler to limit any alibi claims at trial to Kohberger testifying to it himself. Even so, Thompson wrote in a legal brief released Tuesday, the defense had still yet to specify where the defendant was at the time of the crime, or identify anyone else who can help confirm his whereabouts.


Furthermore, prosecutors want to prevent Kohberger’s attorneys from raising arguments at trial about possible alternative perpetrators, another court filing read. Police received thousands of tips about possible suspects during the homicide investigation, which garnered national interest, Thompson wrote. From those, only information regarding Kohberger was substantiated, he added.

“The state submits that any attempt by the defendant to offer or argue an alternative perpetrator theory without evidence specifically connecting person(s) other than the defendant to the homicides would do nothing more than mislead and confuse the jury and would also result in undue delay, waste of time, would be a needless presentation of cumulative evidence, and unfairly prejudice the state,” the filing read.
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I think his alibi of just driving around that morning is a terrible alibi. I think it would be an asset to the prosecution. But that’s just me looking at it - who follows a lot of crime cases. I could be way off base.
 
I don't think the "alibi" is going to fly. What else is the D going to come up with though, they have to put him somewhere with no cameras, where no one saw him, to explain where he was, etc. However, that very same stuff creates a problem, they can't corroborate it with any witness, etc.

I don't think Taylor is near the good atty she was cracked up to be and is failing miserably. However, I guess to be fair, she doesn't have much to work with.
 
Just happened to do a search and found this link to the Idaho court website. If you page down this case is the second one down. The docs are all listed and seem to be available.


In the link, the case immediately below this one is an appeal for Lori Vallow. I will therefore post this link on her thread too. I don't think I knew she was appealing, or I forgot.
 
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I watched a few of Scott's on both Read and Kohberger.

No alibi likely for Kohberger for several reasons, short of him taking the stand. They have no one who was with him and have provided no one and have done nothing timely on it either. Scott said he has had a few alibis in his time or claimed alibis and NOT A ONE (of his tons of cases in his career) has made it into the courtroom. He has had some that were REAL alibis and those cases were dismissed. He said were it a solid alibi of any kind that's what they'd be doing with it.

I forget the other things but every single thing has the P on solid footing and not the D. I think one was how Taylor wants the bushy eyebrow remark out. Unlikely. She won't of course be able to or allowed to (the roommate) identify him in the courtroom most likely as she couldn't say definitively that it was him back when. I don't recall the other things. Oh the mental health thing and being on the spectrum. Again, not going to fly in his opinion. It could be used possibly at sentencing or as a mitigating factor and that's about it.

He is very down on ID's sealing everything and I'd agree.
 
RoundPeg said:
I have no idea whats going on.

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I saw something on this today but was busy and didn't hear all of it. It's not the biggest deal and they are likely hyping it for the later show. The autism claim too, that was already talked of, and it won't get him off, but could be MAYBE a mitigating factor on sentencing or the DP at best. It won't get anything dismissed or give them some insanity please which I don't think ID has anyhow. I think I saw it on Scott as to the fingernail DNA. If I run into it I will post it but am just saying by 10 p.m. tonight it isn't new news on Banfield.
 
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Idaho police recovered a 3-person mixture of DNA under Maddie Mogen's fingernails

Idaho police found a three-person mixture of DNA under the fingernails of Madison Mogen's left hand, according to court filings, but testing was inconclusive.
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Idaho police recovered a 3-person mixture of DNA under Maddie Mogen's fingernails​

Madison Mogen fought back.

Idaho investigators found a three-person mixture of DNA under the 21-year-old University of Idaho undergrad's fingernails after she and three friends were killed in her off-campus rental home in Moscow, Idaho, on Nov. 13, 2022, according to court filings.

Bicka Barlow, a defense attorney who specializes in attacking DNA evidence and who was recently added to suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense team, wants to limit testimony on the fingernail scrapings at trial, however.

She says they don't match her client.

In a pair of redacted motions regarding the evidence, she argued that because testing of the samples came back inconclusive, focusing on them could mislead the jury. Additionally, she argued that independent testing conducted for the defense ruled Kohberger out entirely as a contributor.

"Mr. Kohberger's inconclusive [likelihood ratio] is similar to almost every other person for whom an LR was generated and focusing on his ‘inconclusive’ LR would mislead the jury in that it implies that the LR means that Mr. Kohberger's DNA might be present in the sample," she argued.

Barlow cited heavily redacted testimony from Jade Miller, who discussed samples recovered from under a nail on Mogen's left hand. Although the specifics of what Miller said were not included in the publicly available filing, Barlow argued that her testimony was misleading and therefore barred under state law.

Additionally, the presence of unknown DNA could support the defense theory that unknown persons left it there — an issue the defense already raised regarding blood samples found on a handrail in the home and on a glove outside.


Idaho's crime lab had tested two hypotheses: first, that the samples included DNA from Mogen, Goncalves and an unknown person, and second, that the DNA came from Mogen and two unknown persons.

Multiple people appear to have been tested as possible matches to the unknown persons. None of the results were a conclusive match to anyone.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
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Idaho police recovered a 3-person mixture of DNA under Maddie Mogen's fingernails

Idaho police found a three-person mixture of DNA under the fingernails of Madison Mogen's left hand, according to court filings, but testing was inconclusive.
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Idaho police recovered a 3-person mixture of DNA under Maddie Mogen's fingernails​

Madison Mogen fought back.

Idaho investigators found a three-person mixture of DNA under the 21-year-old University of Idaho undergrad's fingernails after she and three friends were killed in her off-campus rental home in Moscow, Idaho, on Nov. 13, 2022, according to court filings.

Bicka Barlow, a defense attorney who specializes in attacking DNA evidence and who was recently added to suspect Bryan Kohberger's defense team, wants to limit testimony on the fingernail scrapings at trial, however.

She says they don't match her client.

In a pair of redacted motions regarding the evidence, she argued that because testing of the samples came back inconclusive, focusing on them could mislead the jury. Additionally, she argued that independent testing conducted for the defense ruled Kohberger out entirely as a contributor.

"Mr. Kohberger's inconclusive [likelihood ratio] is similar to almost every other person for whom an LR was generated and focusing on his ‘inconclusive’ LR would mislead the jury in that it implies that the LR means that Mr. Kohberger's DNA might be present in the sample," she argued.

Barlow cited heavily redacted testimony from Jade Miller, who discussed samples recovered from under a nail on Mogen's left hand. Although the specifics of what Miller said were not included in the publicly available filing, Barlow argued that her testimony was misleading and therefore barred under state law.

Additionally, the presence of unknown DNA could support the defense theory that unknown persons left it there — an issue the defense already raised regarding blood samples found on a handrail in the home and on a glove outside.


Idaho's crime lab had tested two hypotheses: first, that the samples included DNA from Mogen, Goncalves and an unknown person, and second, that the DNA came from Mogen and two unknown persons.

Multiple people appear to have been tested as possible matches to the unknown persons. None of the results were a conclusive match to anyone.
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So how does DNA get under people‘s nails anyway? I mean, not when they’re fighting, but just doing day-to-day activities.
 
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