JONBENET RAMSEY: Found dead in Boulder, Colorado on Christmas Day 1996 - Age 6

Mistros9 said:
Thank you for your insights and being a voice for JonBenet. Since I’ve left this case many times and returned to ponder the facts again, it is still my unpleasant conclusion that her death was not prtoe-planned and occurred with only a total of 4 people in the home. While I lean more towards her mother (I’ve studied the case details for over a decade, but also recognize it could be either the sibling or father), I’ve never been more saddened in realizing that no matter who struck her, that person did not call for help for her. It’s the abandonment of love in the face of fear – fear of punishment, fear of loss of reputation, or fear of what JonBenét might tell authorities if she had regained consciousness, and was able to speak.
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Are you still around? I hope so, I responded to this message back when but just saw again.

I think most of us are the same. The case is old, sadly, don't look at it every day most of us don't, but come back to it time and again every so often.

I'm in the same place too and still think Patsy. And agree it sure could be the others as well, but she is my leaning. I just reread your post, about fear of punishment, appearance/reputation. Such a good point, and love vs. fear, etc.

Of course, I don't know it, can't prove it, but it's where I lean still.

For many reasons I just do not buy the intruder theories.

It's been and sure going to be a case until solved, convicted but who did it is already dead and it is also likely anyone one else who MAYBE knew will be too by the time it is solved,

It was so ineptly handled, or it has always seemed. People can change in the department, etc. but Boulder will always be associated with this case and the black eye from their handling, even as people come and go.

Not in here often, just saw new activity and when I do come in, of course I think of this little girl again. Saw your post, new news wasn't much, but saw this post again and it struck me again.

Imo there were only four people in the home. Never saw a thing that convinced me other wise. I see a coverup as to anything else. Jmho opinion though.
 
Have you seen the new documentary on Netflix for this case? I definitely do not think anyone living in that home had anything to do with this.... but this investigation was the sloppiest police work I have ever seen. LE didn't mean to eff it all up but that's what happened when they NEGLECTED TO SECURE THE SCENE! ugh that will always frustrate me....
 
Takeitfromme said:
Have you seen the new documentary on Netflix for this case? I definitely do not think anyone living in that home had anything to do with this.... but this investigation was the sloppiest police work I have ever seen. LE didn't mean to eff it all up but that's what happened when they NEGLECTED TO SECURE THE SCENE! ugh that will always frustrate me....
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You mean the documentary made in partnership with the Ramseys? Yeah. They left SO MUCH INFO OUT. Based on everything that was changed, lied about, or straight up left out it made me more RDI than ever before.
 
Takeitfromme said:
Have you seen the new documentary on Netflix for this case? I definitely do not think anyone living in that home had anything to do with this.... but this investigation was the sloppiest police work I have ever seen. LE didn't mean to eff it all up but that's what happened when they NEGLECTED TO SECURE THE SCENE! ugh that will always frustrate me....
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Yes, I have. I'd been looking forward seeing it, especially being that Joe Berlinger produced it and I watched the entire doc the first day. (I've read it debuted on Netflix at #1.)
It's very good and very well done. The approach to information is one I've never seen before, that is, it takes a look at a lot of what went wrong and how and why and from that, I learned things I hadn't known, and it also approaches evidence in a way I've also never seen before.
Anyway, I highly recommend it and not just to those already interested in the case but to everybody.
 
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Regina said:
Yes, I have. I'd been looking forward seeing it, especially being that Joe Berlinger produced it and I watched the entire doc the first day. (I've read it debuted on Netflix at #1.)
It's very good and very well done. The approach to information is one I've never seen before, that is, it takes a look at a lot of what went wrong and how and why and from that, I learned things I hadn't known, and it also approaches evidence in a way I've also never seen before.
Anyway, I highly recommend it and not just to those already interested in the case but to everybody.
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I have Netflix, going to have to try to remember to check it out. I don't watch much Netflix even though I have it. Only when things are lacking everywhere else I'm on or at for anything new.

I'm also a RDI or one of them anyhow, perhaps more than one with knowledge.
 
I've watched the Behavior Panel. Also saw Burke and John on Dr. Phil. Been awhile though. Wont' get around to watching at the moment.

I don't disagree though that the answer is right at home and in the family.

I kind of stay back on Burke as he's a different "kid" (now an adult) but never want to seem like am judging that.

Personally I lean to Patsy.

BUT could see it being any of them.

Like most of us, I've seen a TON through the years on this and come back to it many a time. I do not think there was an intruder or an outside one and never have. I've entertained it and ruled it out more than once.

We all differ and even get sent in other directions, intentionallly sometimes, but for me this always happened within the household. May be right, may be wrong.

Behavior Panel is an interesting watch and I'm subscribed although lately YTs algorithm I guess is not bringing them up for me but do believe I've seen these prior.

They do presidents, crimes, UFO sightings people who claim and all under the sun as to if lying or not lol.

They don't COMMIT to an opinion, but do say what they see.

I hope you had a good day/Christmas. I didn't really have one but hoping all others did and am even wishing so for the dodo. :D
 
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Hmm. Started watching this. Have you been down a jon Benet rabbit hole today? not through it yet but a fair amount of minutes in.

Had a nap. Trying to wake up.

Burke is, I want to be nice, but a bit different let's say. I do recall him on Dr. Phil. He's a bit socially inept or something. Growing up under this whole thing probably didn't help.

But honestly the entire family is/was different and not representative imo of most people's lives.

But I doubt Burke staged but I guess the entire family could have been covering, for him or one of the others, hard to say.

Meaning, I don't think Burke carried her downstairs to the basement. I guess she may have went down herself when alive. I don't think at 9 he'd have thought to stage the scene I guess is another thing.

I think both parents know what happened though. And perhaps all three family members.

Jmo. And I get these people saying on the podcast why would John never have asked Burke this or that...

However, I've also heard things over years about the editing of shows like Dr. Phil and others and how they take things out and move answers to other questions in, for lack of a better term, like cutting and pasting. I'd rather see the entire raw footage.

I don't think anything here is going to get anyone charged or facing justice, but as always it is interesting I guess.

I've always leaned towards Patsy. Well I have explored the other things but always end up back there. I don't think this could have been done without her, or covered up if that's the case, for many a reason.

Boulder PD has a black eye over this and always will, actually let's say two of them. And the former DA who went against the Grand Jury's findings and shushed them.

Some think to this day it is one of the various three family members, some think an intruder, some think otherwise. It's just a big hot mess and personally I think was made to be that way intentionally. I recall hearing one of John's older kids was actually home, but we never have heard that officially. All sorts of sh*t and not due to the internet, I don't believe, just sh*t being put out there over the years. LE mishandled it badly.

For me, I am convinced PR wrote the note, just for one thing, and that means she did it or knew who did, and that means lied.

Here John seems to be lying, and not for the first time. You truly wouldn't talk to your only surviving family member about that night... Honestly, maybe not, but does seem odd you'd both go on a show without having ever done that. The show has been accused before of splicing things in--not sure if true or not.

It's a hard case with tons of rumors by now and conjecture. John's boss, older son, the housekeeper, you name it. Then later on, foreign DNA which I don't trust one bit.

I do think both corrupt and inept go on sometimes, not always, but at times and this is sure one case I think it in.

When I strip all away, I come back to the immediate family. I think most do, although of course there's some that don't.

And I generally land on Patsy. For many a reason I've probably said often enough so won't go into again. Doesn't mean it couldn't be someone else or she couldn't have been covering but I still lean towards her.

The woman imo was a hot mess and I honestly think she simply snapped on the child, and then some or all covered. There's tons of conspiracy theories, pedo rings, that they were selling her, etc. which I personally think is all b.s. and it comes back to the most common of things sadly. A stressed out mother, overly concerned about image, not able to live up to perfectionist standards, stressed out, and snapping on Christmas Eve which is a high stress time for many.

But I'm only repeating myself which I hate doing and bugs me actually, but was listening to the link. Not sure I'll finish it. Shall see.

So what are you thinking, that the son did it? Not saying it's impossible, just asking?
 
Foster said she wrote it. I've always thought so. Been around some handwriting things in my life before, even typed, where determined who wrote such.
 
Talking new developments too. I wouldn't say that, most of what I'm hearing has always been known and isn't enough.

The most interesting one to me is the 7 details that don't make sense, however, again it isn't really new. Does convince me even more than I already was that the folks are involved, for sure Patsy.

Even the friends never remarked on the ransom call not coming in... No ONE DID.
 
Some cases are hokey and this has always been one of such. It isn't like I never see cover up or corruption... THIS one has always been suspect. Imo...
 
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