JONBENET RAMSEY: Found dead in Boulder, Colorado on Christmas Day 1996 - Age 6

GrandmaBear said:
Hmm. Started watching this. Have you been down a jon Benet rabbit hole today? not through it yet but a fair amount of minutes in.

Had a nap. Trying to wake up.

Burke is, I want to be nice, but a bit different let's say. I do recall him on Dr. Phil. He's a bit socially inept or something. Growing up under this whole thing probably didn't help.

But honestly the entire family is/was different and not representative imo of most people's lives.

But I doubt Burke staged but I guess the entire family could have been covering, for him or one of the others, hard to say.

Meaning, I don't think Burke carried her downstairs to the basement. I guess she may have went down herself when alive. I don't think at 9 he'd have thought to stage the scene I guess is another thing.

I think both parents know what happened though. And perhaps all three family members.

Jmo. And I get these people saying on the podcast why would John never have asked Burke this or that...

However, I've also heard things over years about the editing of shows like Dr. Phil and others and how they take things out and move answers to other questions in, for lack of a better term, like cutting and pasting. I'd rather see the entire raw footage.

I don't think anything here is going to get anyone charged or facing justice, but as always it is interesting I guess.

I've always leaned towards Patsy. Well I have explored the other things but always end up back there. I don't think this could have been done without her, or covered up if that's the case, for many a reason.

Boulder PD has a black eye over this and always will, actually let's say two of them. And the former DA who went against the Grand Jury's findings and shushed them.

Some think to this day it is one of the various three family members, some think an intruder, some think otherwise. It's just a big hot mess and personally I think was made to be that way intentionally. I recall hearing one of John's older kids was actually home, but we never have heard that officially. All sorts of sh*t and not due to the internet, I don't believe, just sh*t being put out there over the years. LE mishandled it badly.

For me, I am convinced PR wrote the note, just for one thing, and that means she did it or knew who did, and that means lied.

Here John seems to be lying, and not for the first time. You truly wouldn't talk to your only surviving family member about that night... Honestly, maybe not, but does seem odd you'd both go on a show without having ever done that. The show has been accused before of splicing things in--not sure if true or not.

It's a hard case with tons of rumors by now and conjecture. John's boss, older son, the housekeeper, you name it. Then later on, foreign DNA which I don't trust one bit.

I do think both corrupt and inept go on sometimes, not always, but at times and this is sure one case I think it in.

When I strip all away, I come back to the immediate family. I think most do, although of course there's some that don't.

And I generally land on Patsy. For many a reason I've probably said often enough so won't go into again. Doesn't mean it couldn't be someone else or she couldn't have been covering but I still lean towards her.

The woman imo was a hot mess and I honestly think she simply snapped on the child, and then some or all covered. There's tons of conspiracy theories, pedo rings, that they were selling her, etc. which I personally think is all b.s. and it comes back to the most common of things sadly. A stressed out mother, overly concerned about image, not able to live up to perfectionist standards, stressed out, and snapping on Christmas Eve which is a high stress time for many.

But I'm only repeating myself which I hate doing and bugs me actually, but was listening to the link. Not sure I'll finish it. Shall see.

So what are you thinking, that the son did it? Not saying it's impossible, just asking?
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I have very little doubt that Patsy wrote the note. Other than that, I don't know.
 
When I read the reported writings of Luigi Mangioni- beginning with something about respect and country, I immediately thought of the note in this case, although in this case, it's the other way around, that is, the respect is for the business and not for the country.
 
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Cousin Dupree said:
I have very little doubt that Patsy wrote the note. Other than that, I don't know.
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Me either. And that alone means she knew, regardless of who actually did it. I won't even go on about how stupid of a note it was, and the lack of fingerprints. I could talk of the mimicking of movies like Colby says about Lori in Daybell. Ridiculous stuff. Not real life.

I'm positive she wrote the note. And that alone puts me it was in the family. And of course leans to her.
 
Regina said:
When I read the reported writings of Luigi Mangioni- beginning with something about respect and country, I immediately thought of the note in this case, although in this case, it's the other way around, that is, the respect is for the business and not for the country.
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I don't know that I've seen the actual writings? May have to catch up, not been the best days and haven't watched anything in a bit on that one. Have heard of some of what he said. So are the actual writings, notebook and manifesto available??

To this case, I'm pretty sure if I recall you are not on Patsy having done this. Can't recall for sure who you think, but seems to me an intruder if I recall.

I hope you had a Merry Christmas. Not so here but do hope all others did.

The seven things video I did watch and it has some pretty good points. Their fingerprints should have certainly been on that note, the parents I mean, if they read it. And other things.

So much of this is rehashed so often but now we have claims of new progress. I'll believe that when I see it. Most of what I've watched above and did watch a couple seems like rehashed stuff. But significant, always has been. The lack of what should be there is significant. The lack of a lot of things.

As sad as it is, I get to in some cases where the only justice I feel will happen or occur will be God's justice which of course is the ultimate one. This case is definitely one I feel that way about. If they had an amazing final answer tomorrow, I for one would NOT believe it after all of this time.

But yeah love of business... Image. Of bonuses. Trappings.

Maybe I forget where you are on this one but I don't think so. Imo Patsy wrote that note and that alone damns her whether it was her or she is covering. Was I should say, since she's now passed and dealt with answers and justice if it is the case.

I guess I need to catch up on the CEO one. Have like I said heard things about the writings but not seen all of them.
 
So JT has a show out about the baloney being said about the case thanks to the Netflix thing. I'm not going to link something from JT here, EVER. I'm loyal or at least sure have always been. I have not watched it, it just came up in a refresh on YT. WTH is going on in this case? I rarely see anything by them by the way but it may be my algorithm and YT, I don't watch them nor subscribe so they shouldn't come up. I'm loyal and maybe others not all who are should be to me.

And it seriously says baloney. Again not going to link anything of theirs, if I felt better I'd take a screen shot. I'm assuming this new sh*t and interest in this case has something going on. Did they come under fire or some such? No idea, absolutely none. I wouldn't have even been in this thread other than new postings....

So anyhow, it is a flat out WS thing. Here you go with the line--"a casual look at all the baloney being said about the Ramsey case thanks to Netflix"...
 
Not very good at doing attachments on here or downloads. I do have the pic of the WS thing just not sure how to link it. WTH with the recent sh*t on this case... yet it all seems to be more nothingness.

Burke most definitely is different, on the spectrum probably as said above.

Not comfortable in social settings, smiles inappropriately.

I'd like to link the WS/JT thinng but am NOT sharing the link or going to click into it. I give them NO views. I took a screen shot but don't know how to share it at the moment and it's hardly my first priority, I have many things to try to handle that trump such right now. I am though telling so others are aware.

I do know how to copy pasta lol. But with them I'm not clicking in to get to that.
 
OMG. This poor child. I don't know what is going on but clearly everyone makes money or gets views on this case every single year. Apparently the Netflix something kicked something ovf. I have Netflix but darned if I am going to watch such. Or look at JT, etc.

It's so obvious the mother wrote this note. Let's start there. It means it was family one way, person or another. It's not some huge mystery but sure was a big inept bunch of investigation and cover up. There is little new out there that I want to watch but this b.s. keeps popping up. I guess the time of year and due to Netflix. I could link another, a podcaster I've never heard of before.

Wish I could find more cooking, honest to God.

Dad even, I mean come on. I believe in hindsight he probably has a lot of regrets. i'll leave it at that.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I don't know that I've seen the actual writings? May have to catch up, not been the best days and haven't watched anything in a bit on that one. Have heard of some of what he said. So are the actual writings, notebook and manifesto available??

I guess I need to catch up on the CEO one. Have like I said heard things about the writings but not seen all of them.
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The only writings I've read are what was posted in that thread. I'm not particularly interested in that case, it's just that I wanted to share what jumped out at me when I read the words respect and country, you know, that it's the same way the note in this case started out.
GrandmaBear said:
But yeah love of business... Image. Of bonuses. Trappings.
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Just to be clear, I'm not reading into it, I'm simply making an observation.
 
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Regina said:
The only writings I've read are what was posted in that thread. I'm not particularly interested in that case, it's just that I wanted to share what jumped out at me when I read the words respect and country, you know, that it's the same way the note in this case started out.

Just to be clear, I'm not reading into it, I'm simply making an observation.
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It's not my kind of case either and even though I've read, not sure I have all and didn't know the respect and country part. Seriously. Even though I've seen a fair amount on it although not recently.

Certain cases are always "glommed" onto and used for many other purposes. Not sure if glommed is a word lol. So I don't like those kinds of cases as that's what happens and there are several types that happens in. I tend to avoid those cases, not always but...

I'm disgusted with the almost hero worship in that one.

To THIS case, for me, Patsy wrote the letter and that alone means something. @Cousin Dupree says the same and still shocked as we don't always agree.

And I don't just assume, I've encountered things with handwriting experts, well they are actually more than that even, in life and even myself had "anonymous" letters, even typed. Things like that. SHE wrote the letter. IMO. For a number of reasons. People can argue anything but in my experience, and knowing of such things, she wrote it.

So then where does that leave me... Why would a mother do that...

Where it leaves me it is definitely within the family, and that's where some other things also always come back to.

I have a paperwork problem, almost always, but can also say there is not a piece of such my fingerprints are not on. Oh I'm sure if it was some ten page stapled thing that I didn't read every page of, perhaps a few pages might not have any.

But anyhow, NICE to see you, Whether at times we agree or not lol on cases.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Not going to get to so if any thoughts on... And only if up to sharing them.

Sorry it's a rough day, seems like that is happening with more than a few lately, you take care of self as much as can!
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It was interesting. Definitely was worth listening to. I'm not up for typing much but I liked hearing his view on it, hearing about the WM3 haven't seen his documentaries on that case. I thought she asked good questions
 
Takeitfromme said:
It was interesting. Definitely was worth listening to. I'm not up for typing much but I liked hearing his view on it, hearing about the WM3 haven't seen his documentaries on that case. I thought she asked good questions
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I'm starting to listen. Not sure I will be able to take in. Lousy day here too.

A few minutes into it, and I'm not in total agreement with what I'm hearing.

He's saying I'd be a conspiracy theorist if I believe it's in the family??? And irresponsible?? And all are....?

Boy, and he thinks it absurd anyone thinks the Ramseys did it.

I'm very sorry but want to be respectful, I had to shut it off. I was 13 minutes in.

I don't even know who he is but he never shuts up.

I would say as I've said before LE does not share everything especially if family is not cleared. OR if they share with a family member and the family member doesn't keep to self.

These minutes were all about how unfair to the Ramseys, etc. I have Netflix but basically never watch it. He seems to have his own agenda.

Jmo, not saying others should share it.

The MOM wrote that note imo. That right there is the start/core here.

I'd agree the Boulder PD well sure wasn't great.

He has mentioned in the minutes I watched, the pageant world, and some other...

Bad day here too and I feel like the man can't shut up. I'm noticing such a lot lately, I mean he should take a breath for God's sake.

Same here about typing for different reasons. Just bad day. I never do like one line paragraphs.

I'm not into some things, and the WM3 I know little of but hear about it. And don't want anyone wrongfully convicted but not everyone is.

No one is convicted here.

I tried to watch this but about 12 or so minutes in I just could not any longer. In fact could hardly take those 12 minutes. Maybe it was them, perhaps it's me, not sure. Not good times.
 
Takeitfromme said:
It was interesting. Definitely was worth listening to. I'm not up for typing much but I liked hearing his view on it, hearing about the WM3 haven't seen his documentaries on that case. I thought she asked good questions
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I thought it was a very interesting, well-rounded discussion.
For me, what opened my eyes as to what all can go wrong with the criminal justice system wasn't the WM3 case but that of Randall Adams, a case I learned about from the documentary, The Thin Blue Line (1988).
Berlinger mentioned Brother's Keeper, which I also recommend.
 
What part? Seemed pretty agenda driven to me.
ONE show Vinnie ever did I feel was very truthful in that if you want an innocence thing or to find stuff for it how it is not hard, you just pick and choose to make such seem that way and not hard to do.. He was talking of the Innocence Projects I believe and other things, not on Court TV but on his own show pretty certain.

I'm not his biggest fan BUT that was some show about how TV works, what we are all fed, etc. I posted it in some thread here some time back, guessing Delphi or LISK I think.
 
Regina said:
I thought it was a very interesting, well-rounded discussion.
For me, what opened my eyes as to what all can go wrong with the criminal justice system wasn't the WM3 case but that of Randall Adams, a case I learned about from the documentary, The Thin Blue Line (1988).
Berlinger mentioned Brother's Keeper, which I also recommend.
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I totally forgot about the Thin Blue Line case. That was horrible. The guy went through all of that because he wouldn't let a psychopath spend the night.
 
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