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JONBENET RAMSEY: Found dead in Boulder, Colorado on Christmas Day 1996 - Age 6
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I am not convinced of any particular theory that have been floated around. I would also say that nothing makes sense to me on nearly everything about this case.
Well, it's been my impression that it had been against the wall (lol!) but if it hadn't, then I'd question whether there could have been some other use for it or, you know, some other intended use.
For me, no other theory but intruder makes sense but it doesn't matter.
I won't ever understand why the circumstance of foreign, male DNA in a little girl's panties she's wearing when she's sexually assualted and murdered wouldn't be recognized as the most revealing, best lead as to the ID of the perp.
At about 19 minutes into the video, the YouTuber mentions the pineapple, that he thinks it's the most crucial piece of evidence, which is actually amusing to me because I don't read anything into it at all. My only thought about it is that since I understand that the victim advocates brought food, I wonder what their knowledge is about it.
He goes on to address the flashlight on the kitchen counter and says that besides the Ramsey's, it could possibly be the perp's or a police officer's. I agree with all of that, but I think it's most likely the latter and specifically, French's (lol!) Seriously, when was it first observed, I'd like to know.
He says he agrees with Spitz that the flashlight caused the skull fracture and I disagree mainly and simply because I'd expect there to have been a laceration to the scalp and as the YouTuber pointed out, there wasn't one.
(I'll have to stop there where I left off and watch the rest at some other time.)
He goes on to address the flashlight on the kitchen counter and says that besides the Ramsey's, it could possibly be the perp's or a police officer's. I agree with all of that, but I think it's most likely the latter and specifically, French's (lol!) Seriously, when was it first observed, I'd like to know.
He says he agrees with Spitz that the flashlight caused the skull fracture and I disagree mainly and simply because I'd expect there to have been a laceration to the scalp and as the YouTuber pointed out, there wasn't one.
(I'll have to stop there where I left off and watch the rest at some other time.)
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So, rather than watch the rest of the video, I skimmed through it and at this time, I'd like to speak to the info regarding the pineapple.
First of all, the autopsy reports states "vegetable or fruit material" and it's my opinion that the examiner should have left it at that, which I think he would have done had it not been that anything specific was suggested.
Anyway, regarding that particular material, several BPD reports reflect that further analysis performed at the University of Colorado show that it consists of pineapple, grapes (including skin and pulp), and cherries.
Now, while the YouTuber thinks that Burke avoided talking about what was in the bowl, it's obvious to me that he simply didn't know what it was. After trying to figure it out, he finally said (It's a bowl of) "...something". Well, honest to God, my best guess to this day would be that it's Shredded Wheat, lol!
The part of the video I'm referencing starts at about 42:44.
First of all, the autopsy reports states "vegetable or fruit material" and it's my opinion that the examiner should have left it at that, which I think he would have done had it not been that anything specific was suggested.
Anyway, regarding that particular material, several BPD reports reflect that further analysis performed at the University of Colorado show that it consists of pineapple, grapes (including skin and pulp), and cherries.
Now, while the YouTuber thinks that Burke avoided talking about what was in the bowl, it's obvious to me that he simply didn't know what it was. After trying to figure it out, he finally said (It's a bowl of) "...something". Well, honest to God, my best guess to this day would be that it's Shredded Wheat, lol!
The part of the video I'm referencing starts at about 42:44.
I know which part you're referring to and I didn't take much credence into that either. I mean, I felt like it could go either way so it's a wash.
Sorry that I don't know what you mean, could you be more specific?
Where you mentioned that Burke's reaction didn't mean anything because he didn't know what it was in the picture vs. the vlogger's opinion that he was avoiding the picture. I think it could go either way, so in my mind, I dismiss it as any evidence.
Yeah, let's be careful that our impressions and opinions are without bias. I don't think the vlogger was able to do that.
Back to the vlogger's video, I have many other thoughts and opinions about it I'd like to share about it.
Regarding the duct tape, the fact of the matter is that it wasn't sourced but it should be left at that. In other words, it should be accepted as a fact that it was not sourced and move on. (I think to do otherwise is following a theory rather than the evidence.)
I agree with what he said about the garotte; indeed, it was a real, functioning garotte and it was used to really and on-purpose strangle JonBenet.
I agree with several of his observations and opinions but he's flat-out wrong about the impact of a stun gun and I know this because one was used on Jaycee Dugard during her abduction and she later wrote about it. As I recall, she said she was knocked to the ground, rendered unconscious, and wet herself.
Btw, re those particular patterned injuries, it's my impression that it was Lou Smit who'd first addressed those, is that right? I mean, is it right that Smit was the first to investigate a potential cause?
Regarding the duct tape, the fact of the matter is that it wasn't sourced but it should be left at that. In other words, it should be accepted as a fact that it was not sourced and move on. (I think to do otherwise is following a theory rather than the evidence.)
I agree with what he said about the garotte; indeed, it was a real, functioning garotte and it was used to really and on-purpose strangle JonBenet.
I agree with several of his observations and opinions but he's flat-out wrong about the impact of a stun gun and I know this because one was used on Jaycee Dugard during her abduction and she later wrote about it. As I recall, she said she was knocked to the ground, rendered unconscious, and wet herself.
Btw, re those particular patterned injuries, it's my impression that it was Lou Smit who'd first addressed those, is that right? I mean, is it right that Smit was the first to investigate a potential cause?
I'm not as familiar with this case as you are and I really like reading your rebuttal to the video. Just wanted you to know since I probably won't have more comments on it. I may have some questions for you later on, though.
Well, I have questions (who doesn't?), but I'd say I'm far more informed than the vlogger.
Wow, I've thought of how I wish Lou Smit had written a book, more-so lately and then I find that the following book is due to be published at the end of the month!
wildbluepress.com
In LOU AND JONBENÉT, Author John Wesley Anderson Reveals the Inside Story of the Failed Police Investigation Into the Kidnapping and Murder of JonBenét Ramsey • WildBlue Press
Coming February 28, 2023 On Christmas Night 1996, six-year-old JonBenet Ramsey was murdered in her family's home in Boulder, Colorado. A ransom note was
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"Blowing through the jasmine in my mind"
Another article introducing the book.
nypost.com
By Snejana Farberov
February 10, 2023 1:10pm
DNA evidence that was gathered under JonBenét Ramsey’s fingernails and from her underwear did not match her parents or other people close to the family, according to newly uncovered documents.
Despite the apparent lack of proof, police in Colorado for years continued insinuating that the parents of the murdered child pageant queen were “under an umbrella of suspicion,” according to a new book on Lou Smit, the late Colorado investigator who tried to solved JonBenét’s murder until his death in 2010.
JonBenét Ramsey DNA evidence eliminated suspects — but was hidden for years
A new book on JonBenét Ramsey’s unsolved murder reveals that DNA tests cleared the girl’s parents, family friends and associates in the first weeks of the investigation.
nypost.com
By Snejana Farberov
February 10, 2023 1:10pm
DNA evidence that was gathered under JonBenét Ramsey’s fingernails and from her underwear did not match her parents or other people close to the family, according to newly uncovered documents.
Despite the apparent lack of proof, police in Colorado for years continued insinuating that the parents of the murdered child pageant queen were “under an umbrella of suspicion,” according to a new book on Lou Smit, the late Colorado investigator who tried to solved JonBenét’s murder until his death in 2010.
Yeah, he's the creme of the crop!
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I agree that the case will never be solved and that it had to be someone in the house that night.
Re: the ransom note. I just cannot believe that Patsy or John would be stupid enough to write such a weird note. It sounds like something a grade schooler would do..
I also do not think Burke could have done this alone,.. he would have had to have had some help. This was a 9 yr old. The actual killing, yes, but not the staging.
I won't go into the botched investigation itself, it was all just strange, but I think somebody greased some palms of some higher-ups just to keep them from formally charging one or both the parents.
What I keep thinking is... there was just no reason to kill this little girl..... unless she threatened to tell authorities what was going on... the sexual abuse, etc. IF that was the case. I've read a lot on a lot of different websites and it's amazing what some others have put together through the years. Makes me wonder... WHY??
Re: the ransom note. I just cannot believe that Patsy or John would be stupid enough to write such a weird note. It sounds like something a grade schooler would do..
I also do not think Burke could have done this alone,.. he would have had to have had some help. This was a 9 yr old. The actual killing, yes, but not the staging.
I won't go into the botched investigation itself, it was all just strange, but I think somebody greased some palms of some higher-ups just to keep them from formally charging one or both the parents.
What I keep thinking is... there was just no reason to kill this little girl..... unless she threatened to tell authorities what was going on... the sexual abuse, etc. IF that was the case. I've read a lot on a lot of different websites and it's amazing what some others have put together through the years. Makes me wonder... WHY??