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JONBENET RAMSEY: Found dead in Boulder, Colorado on Christmas Day 1996 - Age 6
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Indeed, but I wouldn't conclude that either.
Guess Who
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Not finding viable prints happens more often than not in most cases. Real life is not a CSI episode.
Guess Who
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It would also depend on the texture of the flashlight.
GrandmaBear
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i thought of that. But that would mean then anyone who ever handled it wore gloves.... At all times... A bit far fetched for me. Some surmise it may have belonged to a cop so okay it was HIS flashlight he always used and always used gloved. Never ungloved did he stow it away or put it on his person before or after work, etc. but then carelessly left it on a counter or whatever? I don't think so. Put the batteries in with gloves. Okayyyy...
As I said I'm not stuck on it, but I certainly don't believe anyone can be certain of anything in this case because it was handled attrociously and at times probably intentionally so with someone or many someones at different times messing things up or not securing scenes, adding things in, taking things out, moving things, whatever.... And it worked didn't it... And continues to work.
When so much sn*w comes into something, one might as well go back to the basic facts imo and well, the basic facts are not an INTRUDER as some like to call the likely pero. Just that word isn't one generally used in any case... Someone intruded on their lives or in their home? Huh? Someone murdered a little girl. He got in. He murdered in their own home without a soul hearing a thing. He got out. He never left a trace. He isn't in any database. No, no, no, no and no.
No one saw him. No footprints. No entry point. Etc., etc., etc. etc.
I am sure I have something wrong but not going for perfect here but way too much to believe the intruder thing.
Oh and they got her out of her room, took her to the basement or she was up and the rest of the family wasn't and boy he just LUCKED OUT with ALL OF IT. Then sat down again to no one with a clue to write a note on Patsy's note pad. Knew John's bonus. Etc., etc., etc. etc.
I could go on. That is BEYOND BELIEF. And soooo very much more.
Guess Who
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Has a pic of the flashlight ever been published? I have several that would be nearly impossible to get any prints from because of the textured surface. Again, this isn't a CSI episode where there is always a perfect print on what they are trying to get prints from
GrandmaBear
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I don't have time to look right now but pretty sure I came across one the other day and looked like a typical long mag lite I think would be the right term and smooth is my guess. It wasn't a close up. Also batteries of course are smooth.
Guess Who
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Batteries in this case wouldn't necessarily tell anything about who used it last.
GrandmaBear
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No but if they were put in by the person who didn't do something or didn't use it last they'd have no reason to wipe them clean and there would likely be prints.
And I think the shape could be a factor that contributed to the difficulty and I'm sure there are others.
That's a very interesting point, thanks for sharing it.
MamaDee943
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If I had to make a choice about who was the perpetrator, I would say John, not Patsy. He's always seemed a little strange to me. And he is the one who found her body, then carried her upstairs. There were some other people there, I think, and they should have been prompted to leave so that PD could start the investigation..... when they got around to it, of course.
I bet this case is often given as an example in a lot of police academies, titled What Not To Do if a family member is killed in your home and you know you're going to be blamed.
I bet this case is often given as an example in a lot of police academies, titled What Not To Do if a family member is killed in your home and you know you're going to be blamed.
Mel70
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The ransom note for $118,000. His Christmas bonus. Must be nice. That's too coincidental. It has been a bothering factor. If it was an inner circle killing, That was really stupid. It seems to me it was not someone from the outside. The evidence says the opposite. They were uncooperative with LE. I tend to think it was John. But there was no way Patsy didn't know anything.
GrandmaBear
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I too think it was definitely inner circle for those reasons and others and I lean towards the parent(s) hard.
if you think it was John do you both then think Patsy wrote the note for him? It was her handwriting that couldn't be excluded, etc. I believe the cover up was by both of them most likely. And they stayed firm to it through all the years that followed.
Citing the bonus was really dumb but done hastily wanting I suppose to make it look like someone targeted the daughter of this "rich" family with a "pretty little girl" who did pageants. Who knows, maybe they hoped it would point to someone at the firm that new them and their kids... I think more likely though it was a very ill thought out choice they couldn't go back on...
if you think it was John do you both then think Patsy wrote the note for him? It was her handwriting that couldn't be excluded, etc. I believe the cover up was by both of them most likely. And they stayed firm to it through all the years that followed.
Citing the bonus was really dumb but done hastily wanting I suppose to make it look like someone targeted the daughter of this "rich" family with a "pretty little girl" who did pageants. Who knows, maybe they hoped it would point to someone at the firm that new them and their kids... I think more likely though it was a very ill thought out choice they couldn't go back on...
Mel70
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Yes. A ransom note would be a amount you hear of. $100,000, $75,000. $118,000. Dumb. They didn't do a very good job with the note leading the police strongly in the direction of someone where he worked.
GrandmaBear
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More likely since she was in the home and they coudln't get her out easily, they wanted it to appear someone was that intimate with the family, knew what they were doing, stalked or watched or was close and knew how to get in, used Patsy's desk and notepad and knew the bonus amount. It HAD to be someone that came in easily, or Jon Benet knew, etc. THAT is what I think they wanted LE to think, that someone entered their home. They may have had someone in mind they hoped it would lead towards, a coworker, a boss, the housekeeper, etc. or ALL such.
GrandmaBear
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Yep. No footprints, no dust disturbed, etc., etc., etc.
Definitely not geniuses. Which makes it even more maddening there has never been charges in this case.
Summer_Breeze
"Blowing through the jasmine in my mind"
Two key details could tie convicted pedophile to JonBenét Ramsey killing: report
A former classmate of convicted pedophile creep Gary Oliva says the gruesome 1996 murder of six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey has Oliva written all over it.
nypost.com
By Deirdre Bardolf
July 1, 2023 4:02pm
It’s all in the knots.
A Colorado man is convinced the still unsolved 1996 murder of child beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey was committed by a former classmate who was obsessed with knots and art supplies, according to a report.
JonBenét was six years old when she was reported missing by her mother, Patsy Ramsey, from the family’s home in Boulder on the morning of Dec. 26, 1996 — and found hours later, strangled and with a blow to the head, in the basement of the family’s home.
A knotted white rope and a broken paintbrush were found at the scene.
Michael Vail, who went to high school with now convicted pedophile Gary Oliva, believes the knot and the paintbrush point to Oliva as the killer.
“I said to myself, ‘Holy crap — that’s a paintbrush and there’s a knot on the f–king string,'” Vail told The US Sun.
Oliva, once considered a suspect in the case, allegedly confessed to the crime in a series of letters to Vail, and had a fixation with knots and nooses that would appear in his artwork even in high school, Vail told the outlet.
GrandmaBear
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I haven't watched any of them but I have seen two shows now that have headlines of a new confession in this case. I think one was Court TV. I'm guessing it is a big nothing or the news would be all over the place. I'm not having the best day and am trying to calm myself so haven't watched. Thought I'd mention though if anyone wants to or to see if anyone else knows anything about it. I'm having trouble even functioning or making posts. Big anxiety for some reason 
Well I know why but still... It's like incapacitating and I have things I need to do. Big time.
Anyhow, some new confession supposedly.
Well I know why but still... It's like incapacitating and I have things I need to do. Big time.Anyhow, some new confession supposedly.
Cousin Dupree
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Pedophile who 'confessed to JonBenét murder' had creepy Pinterest devoted to her
THE disturbing Pinterest page of a depraved pedophile who claims to be JonBenét Ramsey’s killer featured dozens of photos of the slain beauty queen and 300 images of other young children. Gar…
www.thesun.co.uk
GrandmaBear
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No, I don't think so. We knew of him and he's not new. This sounded like something new just yesterday or thereabouts. Like I said, I didn't go into the videos but first it was Court TV and then I saw another YTer had it who I didn't know of (the YTer) when I was refreshing to find Long Island stuff, etc.Pedophile who 'confessed to JonBenét murder' had creepy Pinterest devoted to her
THE disturbing Pinterest page of a depraved pedophile who claims to be JonBenét Ramsey’s killer featured dozens of photos of the slain beauty queen and 300 images of other young children. Gar…