JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed · Jul 15, 2022

Lori Vallow's defense asking if it's prudent to seek the death penalty

Three motions were filed July 12 asking for the indictment to be returned the grand jury for more hearings.

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Lori Vallow's defense asking if it's prudent to seek the death penalty

Lori Vallow's defense team has filed recent motions asking the court to take a more in-depth look into the factors regarding the death penalty being sought against her, where they are trying to request a grand jury make the call on the death penalty rather than the prosecution.

Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty due to what they call "aggravating circumstances" that contribute to the nature of the alleged crimes. A notice of intent to seek the death penalty in the case was filed on May 2.

Each motion from the defense was filed on July 12. It is up to the judge to rule on these motions.

In this motion, the defense is asking that the indictment the grand jury returned on May 24 be sent back to hold a hearing on the aggravating factors that are the backbone of the prosecution's reasoning for seeking the death penalty.

"Aggravating factors" in certain cases are circumstances surrounding a possible crime that can make it more severe or heinous in nature.

The defense mentioned the prosecution's list of those factors they believe contributed to the alleged crimes:

Murders were committed for remuneration, or money.
Murders were especially heinous, atrocious and cruel.
That the defendant exhibited utter disregard for human life.
That the defendant exhibited propensity to commit murder which constitutes a continuing threat to society.

"Just as Mrs. Daybell is entitled to a grand jury finding of probable cause on what charges are brought against her, she is likewise entitled to a grand jury finding of probable cause on each alleged statutory aggravating factor," the defense said in the motion.

The defense also said that a defendant in Idaho is not eligible for a death sentence post-conviction, but rather must be sought in pre-trial. If the aggravating factors can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the grand jury can consider the death sentence. If these factors are not proven, the defendant cannot be subject to the death penalty, the defense said.

In the motion, the defense also questions if some of the aggravating factors the prosecution is implying can even be applied due to Vallow's "mental health issues." Vallow remained in a mental health facility until she was found mentally competent to stand trial on April 11.

Cousin Dupree · Jul 15, 2022

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Lori Vallow's defense asking if it's prudent to seek the death penalty

Three motions were filed July 12 asking for the indictment to be returned the grand jury for more hearings.

www.ktvb.com

Lori Vallow's defense asking if it's prudent to seek the death penalty
Lori Vallow's defense team has filed recent motions asking the court to take a more in-depth look into the factors regarding the death penalty being sought against her, where they are trying to request a grand jury make the call on the death penalty rather than the prosecution.

Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty due to what they call "aggravating circumstances" that contribute to the nature of the alleged crimes. A notice of intent to seek the death penalty in the case was filed on May 2.

Each motion from the defense was filed on July 12. It is up to the judge to rule on these motions.

In this motion, the defense is asking that the indictment the grand jury returned on May 24 be sent back to hold a hearing on the aggravating factors that are the backbone of the prosecution's reasoning for seeking the death penalty.

"Aggravating factors" in certain cases are circumstances surrounding a possible crime that can make it more severe or heinous in nature.

The defense mentioned the prosecution's list of those factors they believe contributed to the alleged crimes:

Murders were committed for remuneration, or money.

Murders were especially heinous, atrocious and cruel.

That the defendant exhibited utter disregard for human life.

That the defendant exhibited propensity to commit murder which constitutes a continuing threat to society.

"Just as Mrs. Daybell is entitled to a grand jury finding of probable cause on what charges are brought against her, she is likewise entitled to a grand jury finding of probable cause on each alleged statutory aggravating factor," the defense said in the motion.

The defense also said that a defendant in Idaho is not eligible for a death sentence post-conviction, but rather must be sought in pre-trial. If the aggravating factors can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the grand jury can consider the death sentence. If these factors are not proven, the defendant cannot be subject to the death penalty, the defense said.

In the motion, the defense also questions if some of the aggravating factors the prosecution is implying can even be applied due to Vallow's "mental health issues." Vallow remained in a mental health facility until she was found mentally competent to stand trial on April 11.

I'd like to have Lori submit a hand written letter on why she believes she doesn't deserve the death penalty.

Kimster · Jul 16, 2022

Cousin Dupree said:
I'd like to have Lori submit a hand written letter on why she believes she doesn't deserve the death penalty.

I don’t know about that! They might put her back into the mental facility.

GrandmaBear · Jul 17, 2022

Cousin Dupree said:
I'd like to have Lori submit a hand written letter on why she believes she doesn't deserve the death penalty.

I too would like to hear from her. Ms. Full of It before, then in Hawaii and being brought back to soil in the continental 48 and at her court appearances. Haven't heard a word from her just seen attitude. A letter would be great but I'd like to hear her tell her story or answer questions and it is unlikely we ever will but I don't think I'd think her mentally unfit to stand trial... Larry and Kay don't buy it. I never have bought it.

Of course we won't hear from her, she doesn't have to speak.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed · Jul 21, 2022

Prosecutors in Daybell case request DNA testing on hair, shovel, pickax and other evidence - East Idaho News

ST. ANTHONY — Prosecutors in the Chad and Lori Daybell murder cases are asking a judge to allow comprehensive DNA testing on several pieces of evidence. The couple was charged a year ago with multiple counts of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of 7-year-old...

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Prosecutors in Daybell case request DNA testing on hair, shovel, pickax and other evidence

Prosecutors in the Chad and Lori Daybell murder cases are asking a judge to allow comprehensive DNA testing on several pieces of evidence.

In a motion filed Monday, Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake and Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood asked Judge Steven Boyce to allow them to test the following items:

Hairs on duct tape inside a body bag used to transport the remains of JJ
Ridge detail (fingerprints) on the adhesive side of tape associated with JJ’s body
Small dark spots on the handles of a shovel and pickax recovered from a garage/barn
Swabs of tape areas
Swabs from fingernails from JJ’s right hand obtained during his autopsy

Prosecutors are asking for consumptive testing on the items, which means testing can only be done one time as this type of testing would obliterate the evidence.

Wood originally wanted consumptive DNA performed in April 2021, according to court documents, but Chad and Lori’s attorneys objected. Lori’s case was then put on hold when she was placed in the custody of the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare. She was found competent for trial in April 2022.

In the motion filed this week, prosecutors note they have not had consumptive testing done on any materials up to this point but ask Boyce to now allow it.

Defense attorneys often have someone observe or videotape consumptive testing as it can only be done once.

Kimster · Jul 22, 2022

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Prosecutors in Daybell case request DNA testing on hair, shovel, pickax and other evidence - East Idaho News

ST. ANTHONY — Prosecutors in the Chad and Lori Daybell murder cases are asking a judge to allow comprehensive DNA testing on several pieces of evidence. The couple was charged a year ago with multiple counts of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of 7-year-old...

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Prosecutors in Daybell case request DNA testing on hair, shovel, pickax and other evidence
Prosecutors in the Chad and Lori Daybell murder cases are asking a judge to allow comprehensive DNA testing on several pieces of evidence.

In a motion filed Monday, Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake and Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood asked Judge Steven Boyce to allow them to test the following items:

Hairs on duct tape inside a body bag used to transport the remains of JJ

Ridge detail (fingerprints) on the adhesive side of tape associated with JJ’s body

Small dark spots on the handles of a shovel and pickax recovered from a garage/barn

Swabs of tape areas

Swabs from fingernails from JJ’s right hand obtained during his autopsy

Prosecutors are asking for consumptive testing on the items, which means testing can only be done one time as this type of testing would obliterate the evidence.

Wood originally wanted consumptive DNA performed in April 2021, according to court documents, but Chad and Lori’s attorneys objected. Lori’s case was then put on hold when she was placed in the custody of the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare. She was found competent for trial in April 2022.

In the motion filed this week, prosecutors note they have not had consumptive testing done on any materials up to this point but ask Boyce to now allow it.

Defense attorneys often have someone observe or videotape consumptive testing as it can only be done once.

Oh wow! I’ve never heard of this kind of DNA testing before. Has anyone else?

GrandmaBear · Jul 22, 2022

Kimster said:
Oh wow! I’ve never heard of this kind of DNA testing before. Has anyone else?

You mean consumptive testing?

Kimster · Jul 23, 2022

GrandmaBear said:
You mean consumptive testing?

Yes. A test where once they do it, the DNA is gone forever. It must be an awful small portion that they collect.

GrandmaBear · Jul 23, 2022

Kimster said:
Yes. A test where once they do it, the DNA is gone forever. It must be an awful small portion that they collect.

Yeah I think the term minuscule is not even adequate to describe how tiny of a sample it is because they can test some pretty tiny samples these days. I have heard of it in a few cases where it has been discussed at length by experts online or between people in a forum like at that awful JT place. A Colorado case one of my first CO ones, Frazee/Berreth had fights over this between defense and prosecution as well. That case also had the sealed search warrants and more. Proceeding to trial took forever because of fights over everything and consumptive testing of some evidence was one that if I recall, took several hearings and arguments, motions, etc. Defense refused to rust state's expert or even the state LE agency, CBI, etc. if I recall, etc., etc., etc. Then they fought over being allowed in and they can watch but being present in the ROOM is different re contamination etc. of evidence and more so generally parties or nonlab people are not IN the room and so forth.

Ideally of course each side gets enough of the sample to do their own testing...

GrandmaBear · Jul 28, 2022

Linda at about 11:55 in on this case and consumptive testing.

Hairs on duct tape inside of body bag transporting JJ. Ridge detail on adhesive side of tape associated with JJ's body. Swabs of tape areas, swabs of fingernails of JJ's right hand obtained in JJ's autopsy. Small dark spots on handle of shovel and pick axe recovered from barn or garage on Chad's property.

Her assumption is the pick axe stuff could be Tylee.

She says Rob Wood asked for this back in April of 2021 but defense attys. objected to it and then Lori's case went on hold with the mental competency thing.

Defense asking instead of having an observe that an independent DNA lab do the testing, etc., etc. Prosecutors asked for hearing.

Lori has some charges being disputed she thinks etc. and/or the wording of charges.

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed · Aug 11, 2022

Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case

An author and retired criminal defense attorney has filed a motion asking the court to unseal records in the cases against Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.

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Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case

An author and retired criminal defense attorney has filed a motion asking the court to unseal records in the cases against Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.

Lori A.G. Hellis writes in her motion and supporting memorandums that she is working on a book about the case.

Hellis cites more than 60 instances of filings, hearings, and other court processes being sealed, typically meaning only the attorneys, the defendants and the judge are allowed access to the sealed information.

Idaho Court Administrative Rule 32 sets the standards for when a court may seal records or close hearings, such as if the records contain “highly intimate facts,” contain potentially defamatory statements, hold information that could result in financial loss or would compromise the court’s ability to hold a fair trial.

Kimster · Aug 11, 2022

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case

An author and retired criminal defense attorney has filed a motion asking the court to unseal records in the cases against Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.

www.postregister.com

Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case
An author and retired criminal defense attorney has filed a motion asking the court to unseal records in the cases against Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.

Lori A.G. Hellis writes in her motion and supporting memorandums that she is working on a book about the case.

Hellis cites more than 60 instances of filings, hearings, and other court processes being sealed, typically meaning only the attorneys, the defendants and the judge are allowed access to the sealed information.

Idaho Court Administrative Rule 32 sets the standards for when a court may seal records or close hearings, such as if the records contain “highly intimate facts,” contain potentially defamatory statements, hold information that could result in financial loss or would compromise the court’s ability to hold a fair trial.

I think this is out of line. Her book can wait until after the trial. We need justice for these innocent people who were murdered by these freaks.

GrandmaBear · Aug 11, 2022

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case

An author and retired criminal defense attorney has filed a motion asking the court to unseal records in the cases against Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.

www.postregister.com

Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case
An author and retired criminal defense attorney has filed a motion asking the court to unseal records in the cases against Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.

Lori A.G. Hellis writes in her motion and supporting memorandums that she is working on a book about the case.

Hellis cites more than 60 instances of filings, hearings, and other court processes being sealed, typically meaning only the attorneys, the defendants and the judge are allowed access to the sealed information.

Idaho Court Administrative Rule 32 sets the standards for when a court may seal records or close hearings, such as if the records contain “highly intimate facts,” contain potentially defamatory statements, hold information that could result in financial loss or would compromise the court’s ability to hold a fair trial.

Scott Reisch gave her kudos for challenging things being sealed in this case.

GrandmaBear · Aug 11, 2022

Kimster said:
I think this is out of line. Her book can wait until after the trial. We need justice for these innocent people who were murdered by these freaks.

It isn't typical though to seal things or at least it sure didn't used to be and isn't in many states. This case has had a Lifetime movie already and even the victims' families and witnesses have been publicly interviewed by Nate, Dateline and 48 hour or one or some of those have had specials on it and more. This case is IN process, they are not investigating it trying to bring charges, they HAVE brought charges. Even Kay and Larry and others of the victims' families have been on TV and more.

Kimster · Aug 11, 2022

GrandmaBear said:
It isn't typical though to seal things or at least it sure didn't used to be and isn't in many states. This case has had a Lifetime movie already and even the victims' families and witnesses have been publicly interviewed by Nate, Dateline and 48 hour or one or some of those have had specials on it and more. This case is IN process, they are not investigating it trying to bring charges, they HAVE brought charges. Even Kay and Larry and others of the victims' families have been on TV and more.

I don’t think letting information out before the trial is good for a case. They can say juries have been tainted, and things of that nature. And look how the sunshine laws in Florida gave justice for Cayley Anthony! I just don’t agree. If the DA believes certain things need to be held back until trial, I trust their judgment. I have to. They’re the only ones that are going to stand up in court for the murdered in this case.

GrandmaBear · Aug 11, 2022

Kimster said:
I don’t think letting information out before the trial is good for a case. They can say juries have been tainted, and things of that nature. And look how the sunshine laws in Florida gave justice for Cayley Anthony! I just don’t agree. If the DA believes certain things need to be held back until trial, I trust their judgment. I have to. They’re the only ones that are going to stand up in court for the murdered in this case.

Secrecy in the system isn't something I agree with generally. I do get your points. What is WRONG is that defendants/defense attorneys can even use such a thing as pretrial publicity, tainting, etc. The defendant is alleged to have killed someone. The defendant is notorious. That's just the way it is. The other risk is the other side leaking info where the prosecution follows the order. That's what happened in Morphew. They yell about publicity and the defense asks for a gag order, etc. and yet it is the defense playing PR with the public and leaking info through some channel. Imo.

Casey Anthony was an abberation imo. And there are many theories about the whys. First of all she was hardly unknown to some of the cops and others in the system--meaning she partied with them and still has her connections--and second of all, if honest, one has to admit they didn't have the strongest case or prosecution. Imo both Casey and OJ are guilty but no one can say in OJ either that the prosecution didn't contribute to the loss of their own case. An attorney, a judge, etc. can throw a case easily or destroy it as well. I don't know that the Sunshine Law was what set Casey free. In fact when both sides have to disclose as they do, the prosecution should have been more than prepared for the defense in that case. And the judge is the one that makes the decisions on what is allowed or not and a lot more.

We can agree to disagree of course. Scott Reisch has always had some good points about Colorado's secrecy for instance and he was all for this female attorney doing this in this Idaho case. It also sounded to me as if the judge is breaking Idaho's rules of when this can be done and isn't in the right here.

And I've never seen a case so much of the info was dumped for the public to see as in this one already. Everyone ALREADY knows Chad and Lori allegedly committed heinous acts. And as I've said it has been covered in every form by everyone. What is for instance holding the causes of death being held back going to do for the case? The defense has this stuff, they are entitled to all of it.

And here's the problem when they do seal things, what is the real reason? This case imo has far more players in it than have been charged. And I'm talking beyond the obvious ones. It is way bigger than we think. I haven't forgotten the early things but they've just kind of been slid under the rug... Secrecy breeds suspicion.

I believe in open records with very few exceptions. These are public servants as well and expected to operate in "daylight".

Kimster · Aug 12, 2022

GrandmaBear said:
Secrecy in the system isn't something I agree with generally. I do get your points. What is WRONG is that defendants/defense attorneys can even use such a thing as pretrial publicity, tainting, etc. The defendant is alleged to have killed someone. The defendant is notorious. That's just the way it is. The other risk is the other side leaking info where the prosecution follows the order. That's what happened in Morphew. They yell about publicity and the defense asks for a gag order, etc. and yet it is the defense playing PR with the public and leaking info through some channel. Imo.

Casey Anthony was an abberation imo. And there are many theories about the whys. First of all she was hardly unknown to some of the cops and others in the system--meaning she partied with them and still has her connections--and second of all, if honest, one has to admit they didn't have the strongest case or prosecution. Imo both Casey and OJ are guilty but no one can say in OJ either that the prosecution didn't contribute to the loss of their own case. An attorney, a judge, etc. can throw a case easily or destroy it as well. I don't know that the Sunshine Law was what set Casey free. In fact when both sides have to disclose as they do, the prosecution should have been more than prepared for the defense in that case. And the judge is the one that makes the decisions on what is allowed or not and a lot more.

We can agree to disagree of course. Scott Reisch has always had some good points about Colorado's secrecy for instance and he was all for this female attorney doing this in this Idaho case. It also sounded to me as if the judge is breaking Idaho's rules of when this can be done and isn't in the right here.

And I've never seen a case so much of the info was dumped for the public to see as in this one already. Everyone ALREADY knows Chad and Lori allegedly committed heinous acts. And as I've said it has been covered in every form by everyone. What is for instance holding the causes of death being held back going to do for the case? The defense has this stuff, they are entitled to all of it.

And here's the problem when they do seal things, what is the real reason? This case imo has far more players in it than have been charged. And I'm talking beyond the obvious ones. It is way bigger than we think. I haven't forgotten the early things but they've just kind of been slid under the rug... Secrecy breeds suspicion.

I believe in open records with very few exceptions. These are public servants as well and expected to operate in "daylight".

I’m not gonna go into it on an open forum, but our local district attorney has explained how cases can be over turned because of information being leak before a trial. The defendant can get an appeal and many times get the verdict over turned. Much of the time it is because of evidence leaked out before a trial. You have to think about the future, the juries’ decision isn’t always the final decision in this day and age.

GrandmaBear · Aug 12, 2022

Kimster said:
I’m not gonna go into it on an open forum, but our local district attorney has explained how cases can be over turned because of information being leak before a trial. The defendant can get an appeal and many times get the verdict over turned. Much of the time it is because of evidence leaked out before a trial. You have to think about the future, the juries’ decision isn’t always the final decision in this day and age.

Oh I get it but I don't agree with it. If facts are leaked or stated, it shouldn't provide the defendant with ANY benefit to appeal on that basis. If any LE etc. want to release facts, then they should be able to release facts or leak facts, etc. A juror is supposed to be able to set aside any bias or preconceived notions and either one can or they can't. Releasing FACTS shouldn't be an issue. You also can't stop families or witnesses from talking OR going to the news, etc. They can ask but they can't stop it.

I don['t want to see cases overturned but I don't agree that much should even be appealable in the first place is my issue with it. And transparency and light belong on the workings of the justice system. That isn't the problem, the problem is that they let everything be appealable because of the poor defendant. I don't know why they just don't start calling the murderer the victim because that's how bad it has gotten I swear.

Kimster · Aug 16, 2022

"Oh look! A camera!"

GrandmaBear · Aug 16, 2022

Yeah, that face doesn't go one bit to me with incompetence. Looks far more like a ha ha you can't get me kind of look.

Her big day out. Her kids were found in pieces but they let her get herself "put together" for court. She is a true Mommy Dearest.

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JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

Lori Vallow's defense asking if it's prudent to seek the death penalty

Lori Vallow's defense asking if it's prudent to seek the death penalty

Prosecutors in Daybell case request DNA testing on hair, shovel, pickax and other evidence

Prosecutors in Daybell case request DNA testing on hair, shovel, pickax and other evidence

Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case

Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case

Author files motion to unseal records in Daybell/Vallow case