JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

This is so damning for both of them, IMO.

9 a.m. Melanie saw Lori and Chad interacting at the conference. Chad stayed at Lori’s house over the weekend. Charles was out of town, according to Melanie. Lori told Melanie that she had been married 4-5 times as other “characters.” Chad too. Lori told Melanie that the weekend Chad came to Arizona, they met in the LDS temple together and were sealed together by Moroni and Jesus Christ. “That relatonship of multiple lives was reunited.” This happened in a waiting room – not a sealing room in the temple.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

9:06 a.m. Melanie lists the names of those who were “in the group” and close with Lori, including Alex Cox and Melani Pawlowski. Within weeks of Melanie meeting Lori, Lori began telling her how Chad and Lori were supposed to lead the 144,000.

9:07 a.m. Melanie describes a light and dark scale that Lori told her about after she met Chad. People who were light had signed contracts with the Savior, those who were dark signed contracts with Satan before coming to earth.

9:10 a.m. Brandon Boudreaux and Charles Vallow were not present for these meetings and were not told about these teachings. Melanie says Lori would not have considered Charles part of their inner circle. One day in January 2019 Lori told Melanie that Charles Vallow was taken over by an evil spirit. Chad had told Lori this and it was the first time Lori had heard this. Charles was now dark.

9:12 a.m. Lori said she had a dream where Charles was in a car accident in Texas and would not be coming back home by Jan. 1. JJ was with Charles at that time and would have been traveling back with Charles. Charles was never in an accident. Melanie asked Lori what happened – “You shared you thought he was going to die” – and Lori responded, “He didn’t because Satan interfered with the plan.”

This is the base reason or "alibi" for Lori to kill people, IMO.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

What is "casting" in Lori's world?

9:15 a.m. The first casting Melanie was involved in was with Lori and a group of women at Zulema Pastenes’ house (Alex Cox was not married to her at this time). This casting involved prayer and words “convincing the spirit to leave the body.” This would be the spirit that took over a particular person’s body.

9:18 a.m. Melanie says the first time the group thought they had cast an evil spirit named “Ned” out of Charles’ body. But Charles was still alive so the teachings changed and now a spirit named “Garrick” or “Garrett” entered Charles’ body. Lori cast this spirit out of Charles but then the final spirit “Heblows” entered Charles’ body.

9:23 a.m. Lori told Melanie that Charles, Brandon, one of Lori’s brothers (not Alex), Lori’s dad, Tylee, Kay and JJ were all dark. Random people were also dark.

9:22 a.m. Brandon was part of Hitler’s group and was considered a “very high dark,” Melanie says. She does not recall participating in castings for anyone else.

9:21 a.m. Melanie says Lori was present for all of the castings. Chad was present for one casting, according to Melanie. The one Chad attended was right after Charles’ death. Melanie recalls possibly participating in a casting for Brandon B. Lori told Melanie that Brandon was dark and he had an evil spirit in him.

9:20 a.m. Melanie says weeks after the original idea of spirit taking over bodies, Lori started to use the term “zombie.”

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

9:27 a.m. The night before Charles died, Lori told Melanie that Alex was spending the night at her house because Charles was going to kill her. After Charles died, Lori told Melanie that he had been argumentative with her. The spirit told Lori to pick up Charles’ phone and he was upset she took his phone. Lori said they argued, he threatened her and Tylee came out with a baseball bat to protect herself. Alex went to get his gun to protect him and then he shot Charles. This is all according to what Lori told Melanie.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

9:39 a.m. Lori asked Melanie to come visit her in Idaho in September 2019. There was a seminar in Rexburg so Melanie and her boyfriend David Warwick went up. They stayed at Lori’s house. Melanie did not see Tylee and Lori told Melanie that Tylee was at BYU-Idaho with roommates.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

9:45 a.m. After Chad took JJ upstairs, he came downstairs and Melanie asked Chad why his neck was so red. Chad responded that JJ had scratched his neck.

9:43 a.m. Melanie says she did not notice any changes in JJ and he appeared to be a typical 7-year-old autistic kid. Melanie has experience with autistic children and she says his behavior was normal. She never observed him climbing on counters but one day he was upset and Chad took him upstairs.

9:42 a.m. Lori told Melanie JJ’s behavior was more difficult and he would say things like “I love Satan.” JJ would climb up on the fridge on top of the cabinets and was acting aggressively. “Lori tried to explain how he was changing into a more negative type of demeanor.”

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

Man, I'd be scared ****less!

9:58 a.m. Melanie eventually spoke to police at the end of November/beginning of December and said JJ had not been with her.

9:57 a.m. Lori told Melanie the police were dark. Kay, Lori’s dad and her brother (Adam Cox) were also dark. Lori said JJ’s life was in danger and Kay was trying to kidnap him. Melanie wasn’t sure what to believe. Says she was in shock and perplexed.

9:55 a.m. Lori then called Melanie. Lori said the police came by and she told officers that JJ was with Melanie watching Frozen. Lori asked Melanie to take photos of random kids at the movie theater and send them to the police. Police tried to get a hold of Melanie but she did not take their calls. “I wasn’t sure what in the world to do.”

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

This phone call between Lori, Chad and Melanie is shared in court:

DAY 9 | LIVE UPDATES: Daybell case resumes as Melanie Gibb gives explosive testimony on the stand - East Idaho News

LIVE UPDATES FROM LORI VALLOW DAYBELL’S TRIAL 10:47 a.m. During the break, Lori walked out the side door with her leg shackles and then sat in a chair with wheels. Deputies then wheeled her away. This was likely so deputies didn’t have to remove the shackles to take her to the restroom, etc. She...

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Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

I've never seen this before!

10:56 a.m. Melanie said the weekend she stayed at Lori’s house, Melanie stayed in Tylee’s room but she went back and forth into David’s room, who was sleeping in JJ’s room. David woke up “very troubled” from a dream. Melanie went to Lori’s room and texted her and Chad to ask if David could get a blessing. Nobody responded to Melanie’s texts and Lori’s door was locked.
10:57 a.m. The next morning Melanie never saw JJ and Lori never told Melanie where JJ was from that point forward.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

Tammy's demise:

11:04 a.m. Melanie asked Lori what happened to Tammy. Lori responded, “She had a dark entity in her and they had to do what they could to get that spirit out of her.” “They” referred to Lori and Chad. Lori said Tammy was starting to get suspicious that Chad was having an affair.

11:05 a.m. Melanie says Tammy had been suspicious about the affair for less than two weeks. Tammy had also turned dark within the two weeks before her death.

11:07 a.m. After Tammy passed away, Melanie said Lori was very happy to get married to Chad. Lori never expressed any sadness or sorrow. Melanie said Lori’s demeanor was similar to after Charles died.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

11:11 a.m. Melanie said these teachings were shared with Alex Cox and he believed the people Chad and Lori were hoping would pass away — Charles, Tylee, JJ, Tammy — were zombies.

11:12 a.m. Melanie said she didn’t 100% believe the zombie teachings and told Alex that. Alex responded that he completely believed it. When Melanie asked Alex what happened to JJ, Alex said, “You don’t want to know.”

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

The defense is saying that MG's whole testimony needs to be struck from the record!!!!!

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

11:27 a.m. Boyce says after reviewing case law, the objection is unfounded and the motion to strike the testimony is denied.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

MG is under cross-examination and I can see how they are trying to portray her as crazy.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

11:55 a.m. The jurors are very attentively paying attention during this talk of zombies, dark and light, etc. Lori also paying attention as she watches Melanie on the stand. I have not seen Melanie look at Lori.

11:54 a.m. Chad told Lori, who then told Melanie, that Tylee became a zombie when she was 12-13 years old but they only knew this when she was 16.

11:53 a.m. Thomas: “When Lori talked about zombies, did you immediately think they were going to die?” Melanie: “No. It was a bizarre teaching and Lori thought it was bizarre too in the context to how it was explained to her by Chad.”

11:53 a.m. Thomas: “Let’s talk about zombies.”

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

Court is back in session. Don't forget Justin Lum as a source of info for this case. He and Nate Eaton are the gurus when it comes to keeping up with Lori Vallow Daybell.

Tresir · Apr 13, 2023

Cousin Dupree said:
How is Gibb tied into this?

I believe she was the last person to see JJ alive. She introduced Lori and Chad, I believe. They also did podcasts together but haven't heard much about that in the testimony so far.

Tresir · Apr 13, 2023

Kimster said:
The defense is saying that MG's whole testimony needs to be struck from the record!!!!!

Well of course they would like that. The judge doesn't allow it though.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

1 p.m. Thomas asks if Kay was going to receive the life insurance money from Charles’ death, there wouldn’t be any financial incentive for Lori, correct? Melanie says she doesn’t know.

As a juror, I would think about this, too. I've seen it mentioned twice that Lori knew Kay was getting the life insurance. If Lori knew this, why did the State hammer the point in opening arguments?

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

1:02 p.m. Melanie says police in Idaho called her twice when they were trying to find JJ. Melanie says she told Gilbert police, “I had him but I don’t have him anymore.” She told Gilbert police that Lori came to pick him up. Melanie says that was not the truth.

MG was trying to protect her friend until she realized her friend may be a criminal after all........

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JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY