JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

GrandmaBear · Apr 13, 2023

I think one thing that should be pointed out is it was Melanie G that knew Chad FIRST. She is INNER circle. And I believe was before Chad and Lori met.

GrandmaBear · Apr 13, 2023

Chad allegedly wrote in a blog some time back and in it he talked of his youngest son (paraphrasing) being troublesome and climbing on cupboards and refrigerator, etc. Interesting isn't it that later this is the claim re JJ...

GrandmaBear · Apr 13, 2023

Starting to listen to MG testimony and this case has had sooo many things and I knew or felt I did about all of them but in the first minutes, I am reminded of things that I had forgotten or aren't front and center. First she says she is Melanie Gibb. And yeah, I guess you can keep your maiden name and I guess (more unusual) Alex could take Zulema's name but does anyone remember didn't Mel G and David W marry on the date of Alex's death (quietly) a year later...? Yet she doesn't use Warwick, at least not in this case. Just like Lori used Ryan I think to rent a storage unit, Alex took Zulema's name, etc.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

Tresir said:
That is so helpful of him. $2,000 each sounds like a bargain for Charles and Tammy. I never knew he did that.

I listened to it along time ago, but I’d forgotten about it.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

Tresir said:
Here's the phone call of Lori calling the insurance about Charles' death. I do not think she knew Kay was the beneficiary at this point in time.

OK there we go. Yeah I think MG got her timeline mixed up

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
I think one thing that should be pointed out is it was Melanie G that knew Chad FIRST. She is INNER circle. And I believe was before Chad and Lori met.

Correct. She introduced them to each other.

Kimster · Apr 13, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Starting to listen to MG testimony and this case has had sooo many things and I knew or felt I did about all of them but in the first minutes, I am reminded of things that I had forgotten or aren't front and center. First she says she is Melanie Gibb. And yeah, I guess you can keep your maiden name and I guess (more unusual) Alex could take Zulema's name but does anyone remember didn't Mel G and David W marry on the date of Alex's death (quietly) a year later...? Yet she doesn't use Warwick, at least not in this case. Just like Lori used Ryan I think to rent a storage unit, Alex took Zulema's name, etc.

She claimed in testimony that she is married To David.

GrandmaBear · Apr 14, 2023

Kimster said:
OK there we go. Yeah I think MG got her timeline mixed up

I think MG didn't answer honestly with that one. She knew full well I think that Lori didn't know Kay was the beneficiary and as Lori's best friend I am sure certainly heard about it when Lori found she was not getting Charles' life insurance. That's my opinion on it anyhow. And it helps Lori or at least takes away that motive if the jury believes Lori didn't know and that's what MG left them thinking along with the defense atty.

GrandmaBear · Apr 14, 2023

Kimster said:
She claimed in testimony that she is married To David.

Yeah, I'm sure she did. But just saying how this group uses names or doesn't take names and it all adds to both the confusion and in hiding things. Lori using Ryan for the storage unit was really out there, she had two husbands after Joe and no real right to use Ryan I imagine. Of course Lori has many many names including Disney's next princess, Eleni or Elena or whatever the heck it was...

GrandmaBear · Apr 14, 2023

This is interesting. Someone who knew Tammy, and Chad, with quite a bit of info. Including their bankruptcy, Tammy's worn shoes, Chad being miffed his books weren't selling and more. Very much fits the picture I have always had. Tammy the breadwinner. Chad probably the spender.

This channel has others in the past pretty interesting as well including things re Mel Gibb and talking to people who knew them and so forth.

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
This is interesting. Someone who knew Tammy, and Chad, with quite a bit of info. Including their bankruptcy, Tammy's worn shoes, Chad being miffed his books weren't selling and more. Very much fits the picture I have always had. Tammy the breadwinner. Chad probably the spender.

This channel has others in the past pretty interesting as well including things re Mel Gibb and talking to people who knew them and so forth.

Interesting! I haven’t heard of this one. I don’t think. I’ll have to check it out when I get home tonight.

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

Now I know why Charles had to die when he did! W@W!!! I copied and pasted as shown on the website, so start from the bottom and go up:

9:02 a.m. Duncan says the messages from Charles to Adam were sent from the address of where Charles was killed.

9:01 a.m. Duncan reading messages between Charles and Adam sent before Charles was killed on July 11, 2019 between 7:35 a.m. – 7:37 a.m.

9 a.m. The messages were sent July 1, 2019. Charles was shot and killed on July 11, 2019.

8:58 a.m. Duncan says Lori was not always responsive to Charles’ texts and emails. Duncan now reads messages from July 1, 2019. Charles to Lori: “I’m going to Idaho first to see Tammy Daybell.” Lori to Charles: “She won’t listen to you. She is my friend.” Charles then asks why Lori sent a “BS email” about a book he wants ghostwritten. “There is no reason for it other than to get him in Arizona and have an excuse for his wife.”

8:57 a.m. Charles to Lori: “You have destroyed me. I have never been lower in my life. Please explain. We have a son to raise but that’s all we have in common. You owe me an apology for all the false accusations you’ve made. I’ve been entirely faithful to you since the first day we met. I deserve an apology from you. Please respect that much.” This text was sent on June 30, 2019.

8:55 a.m. Duncan now reading another text message from Charles to Lori. “You accused me of infidelity but it’s you who has been having an affair. It keeps killing me but maybe that’s your goal…The fact you will continue to go to the temple after all you’ve done shocks me. There really is something wrong with you. You have to be exposed for what you really are.”

8:54 a.m. Duncan now reading an email he sent to Chad. “I’m Lori’s husband, but I’m sure you already knew this.” Charles said he is not writing a book and will not be paying anyone for anything. “Either you or Lori need to tell me what’s going on or this will be exposed for all to see,” he wrote to Chad. “And does your wife know you have several of Lori’s dance videos? Explain how that is. She sent them to you in January as your request.”

8:53 a.m. Charles sent Tammy another email. “Your husband and my wife are having an affair. It’s devastating, I know.” Duncan contacted the Sugar Salem School District and officials told Duncan there is no indication the emails were ever read but they were sent from Charles’ account.

8:52 a.m. Duncan now reading the email Charles sent to Tammy saying he had disturbing evidence about her husband and his wife. “I apologize to be the one sending this but something has to be done. I feel it’s best to shed some light on this issue.”

8:50 a.m. Charles sent Lori multiple text messages saying she needed to explain herself or he was going to contact Tammy. He said he was going to talk to Tammy – in person, if he had to – and told Lori “her game was up.” Charles said he had already contacted Tammy via text and phone. Duncan says Charles sent two emails to Tammy – one to her personal address, one to her work address.

8:49 a.m. Duncan now reading text messages Charles and Lori sent to each other. Charles sent Lori a text message confronting her about the affair with Chad and calls her evil. Says he will take JJ back to Texas. “Just so you know I have Tammy’s email address. I will send a copy of my email you sent. Tammy will know what you’re up to. You better explain.”

DAY 10 | LIVE UPDATES: Alex Cox's widow says Chad and Lori Daybell taught demons needed to be bound or burned - East Idaho News

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE LORI VALLOW DAYBELL TRIAL Here are the sketches from today. 3:23 p.m. Thomas has more cross-examination, but questioning is done for the day. The jury is being dismissed. No court on Monday, but we will resume Tuesday at 8:30 a.m. I’ll post the sketches and audio when we...

www.eastidahonews.com

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

9:12 a.m. A woman named Nicole Earl texted Lori on Oct. 19 saying that Chad’s wife Tammy had died. Lori responded. “Oh my gosh. I did not hear that.” Nicole asks Lori what happened. Lori responded that Tammy awoke in the night coughing and then died. Melanie Gibb sent Lori a message later the same day. “I hear what happened to Chad’s wife. Oh my gosh!” Lori responded, “Hello What?”

Evidence of Lori's game playing.

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

More texts around Charles' death. (Please note that I don't paste everything, so to to the site if you want to discuss something I haven't posted).

9:17 a.m. Lori sends Alex a message on July 9, 2019. “So the plot thickens. Call me when you can.” Lori texts Alex later: “Getting sleepy – going to need you to stay close…Lots to do. Thank you for standing by me. It’s all coming to a head this week. I will like Nephi I am told and so are you.”
9:20 a.m. Duncan reads text message between Lori and Chad on July 18, 2019. “I just got a letter from the insurance company that I am not the beneficiary. It’s a spear thru my heart. Who do you think he changed it to? Brandon or possibly Kay?” Chad responds, “Wow. That’s terrible. There is no way to find out.” These messages were exchanged seven days after Charles Vallow died.
9:22 a.m. Duncan reads more messages from July 18, 2019. Chad says, “I love you. This is terrible but it is probably another step in bringing down the Gadiantons, especially Brandon.” Lori responds later that she spoke to the insurance company and the beneficiary was changed in March. “It was probably Ned before we got rid of him. They can’t tell me to who of course but it’s done. I’ll still get the 4000 a month from SS.”

"Ned" is one of the names Lori used for Charles. Because he was possessed, of course.

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

10:18 a.m. Zulema Pastenes was married to Alex Cox for only two weeks before he died. Here’s a story I did about her police interview: “What Alex Cox revealed days before he died and the unusual massage he gave his wife.” Zulema was close friends with Lori, Melanie Gibb and others in their group.

10:28 a.m. Zulema is called to the stand. She is wearing a gray skirt with a matching suitcoat and white high heels.

10:30 a.m. Rachel Smith is questioning. Zumela lives in Gilbert, Arizona. Zulema says she met Lori in early fall 2018 at Melanie Gibb’s house. Melanie was having a meeting at her house and she invited Zulema to come and see Lori speak.

I've been looking forward to this testimony. IIRC, Zulema rec'd immunity in this case.

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

10:34 a.m. Zulema says it was significant when Lori said she was a witness of Jesus Christ because it means Lori would have seen Jesus and this would be the highest spiritual experience a person could have. Lori said angels put names in the computer for her to take to the temple. Zulema says she believed Lori.

10:38 a.m. Zulema had met Chad Daybell at a prior conference and she saw him again at the St. George event. Zulema does not think Lori knew Chad before the conference.

10:38 a.m. Zulema says Lori spent a lot of time at Chad’s table during the conference. They were talking with each other and Lori was very flirtatious, giggly and “putting the moves” on him.

I wondered when Zulema met Lori and now I see it was about the same time Lori met Chad. So all their "friends" had just met them around the same time. Crazy!

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

Kimster said:
Now I know why Charles had to die when he did! W@W!!! I copied and pasted as shown on the website, so start from the bottom and go up:

9:02 a.m. Duncan says the messages from Charles to Adam were sent from the address of where Charles was killed.

9:01 a.m. Duncan reading messages between Charles and Adam sent before Charles was killed on July 11, 2019 between 7:35 a.m. – 7:37 a.m.

9 a.m. The messages were sent July 1, 2019. Charles was shot and killed on July 11, 2019.

8:58 a.m. Duncan says Lori was not always responsive to Charles’ texts and emails. Duncan now reads messages from July 1, 2019. Charles to Lori: “I’m going to Idaho first to see Tammy Daybell.” Lori to Charles: “She won’t listen to you. She is my friend.” Charles then asks why Lori sent a “BS email” about a book he wants ghostwritten. “There is no reason for it other than to get him in Arizona and have an excuse for his wife.”

8:57 a.m. Charles to Lori: “You have destroyed me. I have never been lower in my life. Please explain. We have a son to raise but that’s all we have in common. You owe me an apology for all the false accusations you’ve made. I’ve been entirely faithful to you since the first day we met. I deserve an apology from you. Please respect that much.” This text was sent on June 30, 2019.

8:55 a.m. Duncan now reading another text message from Charles to Lori. “You accused me of infidelity but it’s you who has been having an affair. It keeps killing me but maybe that’s your goal…The fact you will continue to go to the temple after all you’ve done shocks me. There really is something wrong with you. You have to be exposed for what you really are.”

8:54 a.m. Duncan now reading an email he sent to Chad. “I’m Lori’s husband, but I’m sure you already knew this.” Charles said he is not writing a book and will not be paying anyone for anything. “Either you or Lori need to tell me what’s going on or this will be exposed for all to see,” he wrote to Chad. “And does your wife know you have several of Lori’s dance videos? Explain how that is. She sent them to you in January as your request.”

8:53 a.m. Charles sent Tammy another email. “Your husband and my wife are having an affair. It’s devastating, I know.” Duncan contacted the Sugar Salem School District and officials told Duncan there is no indication the emails were ever read but they were sent from Charles’ account.

8:52 a.m. Duncan now reading the email Charles sent to Tammy saying he had disturbing evidence about her husband and his wife. “I apologize to be the one sending this but something has to be done. I feel it’s best to shed some light on this issue.”

8:50 a.m. Charles sent Lori multiple text messages saying she needed to explain herself or he was going to contact Tammy. He said he was going to talk to Tammy – in person, if he had to – and told Lori “her game was up.” Charles said he had already contacted Tammy via text and phone. Duncan says Charles sent two emails to Tammy – one to her personal address, one to her work address.

8:49 a.m. Duncan now reading text messages Charles and Lori sent to each other. Charles sent Lori a text message confronting her about the affair with Chad and calls her evil. Says he will take JJ back to Texas. “Just so you know I have Tammy’s email address. I will send a copy of my email you sent. Tammy will know what you’re up to. You better explain.”

DAY 10 | LIVE UPDATES: Alex Cox's widow says Chad and Lori Daybell taught demons needed to be bound or burned - East Idaho News

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE LORI VALLOW DAYBELL TRIAL Here are the sketches from today. 3:23 p.m. Thomas has more cross-examination, but questioning is done for the day. The jury is being dismissed. No court on Monday, but we will resume Tuesday at 8:30 a.m. I’ll post the sketches and audio when we...

www.eastidahonews.com

Charles became dangerous to their "success" as writers and leaders in their religion when he threatened to expose them. I won't call it the Mormon religion because it wasn't, but they still needed to keep from being discommunicated from the Mormon church lest they lose some of their "legitimacy". What evil. Pure selfishness all the way around.

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

11:03 a.m. After the conference, Melanie continued to see Melanie Gibb at church. Zulema says she used to visit Melanie Gibb a lot and there was a meeting with Chad, Lori and Zulema at Melanie’s house. Chad came to record a podcast with Lori and Melanie.

11:04 a.m. During his visit, Chad said he wanted Zulema to meet him, Lori and Melanie Gibb for lunch at Firebirds in Gilbert. Chad told Zulema he had information to give her about her prior lives and probations.

11:06 a.m. Chad was trying to give Zulema the information but she says Chad and Lori did not want Melanie to hear what he was going to say. Later Chad called Zulema to tell her about her prior lives. He said there was a way he rated people on the light and dark scale. He gave Zulema a light rating and said she had other lives on the earth with the times and who she was in prior lives.

11:08 a.m. Zulema says her thoughts are jumbled and has taken several drinks of water. She has also wiped her eyes with a tissue and is sitting in silence.

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

11:09 a.m. Zulema says in a previous probation, Chad told her she was Lori’s daughter. Zulema was raped and killed at age 14. Her body was dismembered by the Lamanites and she was killed at the same time Lori was killed when Lori was her mother.

At this point I would have got up and left! Who believes this garbage?

Kimster · Apr 14, 2023

11:14 a.m. During their lunch, Lori told Zulema that Charles was possessed by a dark spirit named Garrett. She said Charles was acting different, more organized than he was before, he was a completely different person and he looked shorter than he was before.

11:15 a.m. This conversation at Firebirds took place in February 2019. Zulema kept a receipt from that lunch because that’s where Lori drew the diagram. Zulema eventually turned the receipt and it will be admitted into evidence a bit later.

11:17 a.m. Zulema said while they were at the Preparing a People conference, Lori said that she and Charles were having financial difficulties. Lori said she had been the beneficiary of Joseph Ryan’s $60,000 life insurance policy before he died.

For those who don't know, Lori's third husband died under suspicious circumstances. His sister Annie has been attending this trial regularly.

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