JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the cases of Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

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[GrandmaBear]

I myself could live quite well on that, more than well and would never have need to kill another but wasn't enough for them was it...

And of course just say Tylee is off to BYU and JJ with grandma and intend no one to ever get too close to question and get the money but eliminate those pesky children (not my opinion, hers and Chad's imo). Pretty easy to see the motives here--all the other stuff is muddying the water, conning others to keep quiet, do their deeds for them, assist in covering up, get more help and money...

 

[Kimster]

So he's an idiot on the day of Tammy's shooting and then he is called when Tammy is being exhumed. Alex then had to go.. He screwed up his mission given by the two of them in the CONSPIRACY.

I agree. I know they said that his death was of natural causes, but I don’t believe it and neither does anyone else. They must’ve figured out some way of causing him to have an attack.

 

[Kimster]

On CourtTV they are also asking questions about Lori's relationship with Alex. Was she using her womanly charms to control him too?

There’s been speculation about that before. I think she sat on his lap in a flirtatious way, or some weird thing.

 

[Tresir]

This is audio of some of Detective Duncan's testimony where he is going through in court with Lindsey Blake, all the texts and emails of Charles, Lori, Chad and Zulema and they are being entered into the record. There are texts in particular that confirm Lori did not know the beneficiary had changed until after Charles' death. There are other texts and emails that are very incriminating for both Lori and Chad. It is a long audio but very well worth listening too.

 

[Kimster]

That was all very suspect. Also from what I heard back when Ian had a place right near or across from them. They all date and marry fast is all I'll say. Well you know it isn't all will say but...

And the dates and timing. Just like Z marrying Alex same time Mel P and Ian married, all in Vegas. Now here's the thing, if I recall right, the 144,000 were to be per Chad and Lori or the scriptures or whatever, married couples, NO children, etc. So on the surface perhaps that was the reason for pushing... However, Z if telling the truth had an odd thing with a massage bu Alex and major distance from her new hub before that that day, and then Alex ends up dead. Things were heating up around this time and these months...

I personally think it was pushed as the married couple thing but it was all an income/life insurance thing. The other was just Chad and Lori's reasoning and cover for profit...

I really recommend watching the one I posted earlier... Her kids knew Chad's kids and more and they were pushed and it goes into Julie Rowe, Chad, pushing purchase and land on them, etc.

You made some good points! I wonder if Alex was going to put life insurance on Zulema?

 

[Kimster]

She did for a moment but now there are texts confirming Lori did NOT KNOW the beneficiary was changed, texts between her and Chad and showing talk of life insurance AND there is her upset at Alex screwing things up on the day Tammy was shot at AND the fact he died right after news she was exhumed, etc. There is motive aplenty now shown.

Mel G. LIED imo.

Yes, she did lie. I’m not gonna argue with you about it that’s for sure. I just don’t know why she lied. Or if she, as they say, “misspoke”?

Whatever the reason, I think there is sufficient evidence to back up the fact that Lori had no idea that Kay was the beneficiary of Charles’ life insurance. And saying that Lori knew ahead of time might hurt MG’s testimony.

 

[RoundPeg]

Yes, she did lie. I’m not gonna argue with you about it that’s for sure. I just don’t know why she lied. Or if she, as they say, “misspoke”?

Whatever the reason, I think there is sufficient evidence to back up the fact that Lori had no idea that Kay was the beneficiary of Charles’ life insurance. And saying that Lori knew ahead of time might hurt MG’s testimony.

Can someone remind me what Melanie said on the stand regarding the life insurance payout? I'm trying to speed read and it isnt working. Sorry.

 

[Kimster]

She told the cops the version of the shooting that Lori shared with her. As long as Lori testifies and can be questioned about this, I don't think it will be hearsay. If Lori declines to testify, then I think it can be designated as hearsay IMO.

Also, both Lori and Tylee were interviewed about the Charles shooting so what ZP said about what Lori said, can be compared to what they each said in their interviews. Not sure if there was a video interview of Alex though.

If it was going to be considered hearsay because Lori wouldn’t testify, and they wouldn’t have let it in. They don’t backtrack like that in the United States courts.

 

[Kimster]

One thing that is becoming very clear is that Mr. Largely Silent Innocent Toad Man Being Beguiled by Temptress Chad Daybell is nothing such. I personally have never believed that.

I haven't even listened to all but in listening to a large part of Zulema now and Mel G, etc. constantly we are hearing how it was Chad who gave blessings (which we knew0, Chad who came with the dark and light things (which we knew) Chad that was called to see if the castings had worked and who deemed mostly that they hadn't, Chad who told Lori she needed to move to Rexburg, Chad who told Zulema she had to and blessed her, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

John Prior better get an associate watching and reporting instead of going himself while he gets his butt to work because CHAD is emerging to people who thought it was the other way around. Don't get me wrong, this isn't exonerating Lori by any means, I think her conniving nature and self interest and the want of other's money (which was always her now wasn't it?), etc. jumped righti on board (right away or shortly in?) and this is the show and dance they did for and to others. She KNEW exactly what was going on.

This stuff or most of it has always been out there but so many think he was some duped dumb arse blinded by blonde locks. NO he was not.

The way you started this off with a description of Chad just cracked me up.

 

[Kimster]

Can someone remind me what Melanie said on the stand regarding the life insurance payout? I'm trying to speed read and it isnt working. Sorry.

She implied that Lori knew that she wasn’t the beneficiary before Charles was killed.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I agree. I know they said that his death was of natural causes, but I don’t believe it and neither does anyone else. They must’ve figured out some way of causing him to have an attack.

Totally. I can believe they couldn't find what it was and I can believe they did find he had real health issues and that something triggered that but I don't believe they didn't do something to cause something and maybe the coroner had no choice as there WAS a natural cause and they couldn't find anything nor knew of anything that brought that on.

I would have hoped due to the circumstances surrounding his death which they can take into account (and all going on around Alex and a recent marriage and more and suspicions about him in shootings and Charles' death) added with the possibility there was something they couldn't find they could have at least given it an undetermined as to cause but nope...

 

[GrandmaBear]

There’s been speculation about that before. I think she sat on his lap in a flirtatious way, or some weird thing.

Jumped up and wrapped her legs around him "there" I believe and then they acted like they were humping through their clothes/grinding. If I recall correctly.

 

[Tresir]

You made some good points! I wonder if Alex was going to put life insurance on Zulema?

Or the other way around ? ie did Zulema get joint life insurance when they married?

 

[GrandmaBear]

You made some good points! I wonder if Alex was going to put life insurance on Zulema?

I'm not so sure each didn't have it on the other. I have no reason to believe that other than the ways of this group and of Lori and Chad. Also the story Zulema tells of the tarp and wondering if Alex was maybe about to kill her.... And the way it was likely pushed them getting married, same with Mel P. and Ian. I don't doubt Chad and Lori behind it all and probably encouraged each (even separately unknown to the spouse or maybe known) to get life insurance on the other or for both. Wow, I guess I do have reason to believe it actually, a lot of reason. It fits with the pattern and other deaths and profiting of all and so many other things... Zulema may have been the one they were going to off but then Alex kept screwing up and so it was changed... OR Zulema is lying about the Vegas incident because it was always going to be Alex and she was a part of it all along...

 

[RoundPeg]

Or the other way around ? ie did Zulema get joint life insurance when they married?

Zulema said Alex left her a bag of cash. Let me see if I can find that. Adding source.

“Like one or two days before he passed, he said to me, ‘Zulema, if anything happens to me, I want you to know that there is money in a bag in the closet and it’s for you. It’s not much but it’s for you,'” Pastenes told police in the video released this week. “I said, ‘Don’t say things like that Alex. Why would you say something like that?’ He said, ‘Just in case.'”

Pastenes explained there was a black duffle bag in the closet. Inside was a plastic Ziploc bag holding five to seven thousand dollars and next to it was headphones, a phone and a gun in a case. The phone was seized by police but Pastenes told detectives she still has the duffle bag and everything else in it.

What Alex Cox revealed days before he died and the unusual massage he gave his wife - East Idaho News

The day after Alex Cox and Zulema Pastenes were married in Las Vegas, he offered to give her a massage. It was Saturday, Nov. 30, 2019 in the middle of the day. Cox, a massage therapist, had never given Pastenes a massage and said they needed to go to Walmart first to buy a large […]

www.eastidahonews.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes, she did lie. I’m not gonna argue with you about it that’s for sure. I just don’t know why she lied. Or if she, as they say, “misspoke”?

Whatever the reason, I think there is sufficient evidence to back up the fact that Lori had no idea that Kay was the beneficiary of Charles’ life insurance. And saying that Lori knew ahead of time might hurt MG’s testimony.

It is the very thing I dislike about her, she isn't telling ALL the truth or offering anything she doesn't have to, that's for sure and never has.

Defense made it easy for this lie by making the statement and she just agreed rather than state it herself pretty much. She couldn't see a motive for Lori wanting Charles dead? Really? Even aside from the life insurance? So much b.s.

I think Mel G would still help Lori and Chad to the point she can or could without throwing herself under the bus...

Jury is going to have to do I think what I and all of us do with her and others. Choose what parts if any she is truthful about. I do think there is a lot of truth but I also think it is because she was cornered and because there is evidence of much with texts and more. They can believe part of her testimony, none, or all of it.

I base my opinion on a lot of things and a lot of it I can't recall but I know there are things out there that justify it re Mel G. I don't come to such opinions otherwise. I think some of it was from Annie Cushing's long videos. I think some were from YTers, etc. who had friends and relatives on, etc. WITH some facts...

Neither Mel is the naive "good" girl they portray by a long shot imo. Neither is Zulema. I don't know what parts if any they played in the actual physical murders but I believe every single one of them were fine with the cover up or helping with such and would never have turned on Chad and Lori if not forced to. I also believe they haven't FULLY turned by a long shot. Jmo though.

Not being vehement towards you but towards them in my opinions and just jumping off whoever's post when giving them lol.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Can someone remind me what Melanie said on the stand regarding the life insurance payout? I'm trying to speed read and it isnt working. Sorry.

This is paraphrasing totally but it went something like this: Defense attorney: "Lori didn't know the beneficiary was changed as you know" And MG agrees. And then he says something like "so she wouldn't really have any motive or that takes away any motive doesn't it so what would be her motive, she wouldn't have one would she or can you think of one? And MG is like No or I guess not.

I am way off on actual wording and it may have all been combined into one statement/question by him rather than two, etc. but it is basically how it was--he made a false statement and she went along. It wasn't a momentous or earth shattering moment of testimony and SHE didn't state it but it was a huge LIE and almost makes me wonder if it was planned that way and not just by defense atty. She SHOULD have been like hey mister, NO, that's not true. Lori didn't know and when she found out BUDDY BOY she was MAD and calling me and going on about it MIster!

 

[GrandmaBear]

Forgive the lack of quotation marks, etc. above. Just not up for it. Long week lol.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The way you started this off with a description of Chad just cracked me up.

I didn't mean it to be so long, I had four or five words in mind and then more came that I thought were necessary to explain his "act" and what some believe out there. LOL.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Or the other way around ? ie did Zulema get joint life insurance when they married?

Just a guess but I wouldn't doubt Chad and Lori encouraged all to marry (which they did) and encouraged life insurance both to cover the spouse and HELP the group should something happen to one of them... Just a guess, at minimum, of how it went. Yet I believe some knew like in the attempt on Brandon's life, Mel P and likely Alex, etc. knew the purpose and of Charles, etc...