JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

RoundPeg · Apr 15, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
This is paraphrasing totally but it went something like this: Defense attorney: "Lori didn't know the beneficiary was changed as you know" And MG agrees. And then he says something like "so she wouldn't really have any motive or that takes away any motive doesn't it so what would be her motive, she wouldn't have one would she or can you think of one? And MG is like No or I guess not.

I am way off on actual wording and it may have all been combined into one statement/question by him rather than two, etc. but it is basically how it was--he made a false statement and she went along. It wasn't a momentous or earth shattering moment of testimony and SHE didn't state it but it was a huge LIE and almost makes me wonder if it was planned that way and not just by defense atty. She SHOULD have been like hey mister, NO, that's not true. Lori didn't know and when she found out BUDDY BOY she was MAD and calling me and going on about it MIster!

Defense was leading the witness?

Tresir · Apr 15, 2023

Kimster said:
If it was going to be considered hearsay because Lori wouldn’t testify, and they wouldn’t have let it in. They don’t backtrack like that in the United States courts.

Ok but as of now the court doesn't know if she will testify. If she does, clearly she will be asked about this ie when did she know she was not the beneficiary of Charles' life insurance anymore. We have heard MG testify and have heard Detective Duncan read the text regarding when Lori heard about the beneficiary change. If Lori doesn't testify, then the jury has two versions to consider regarding this motive.

Tresir · Apr 15, 2023

RoundPeg said:
Zulema said Alex left her a bag of cash. Let me see if I can find that. Adding source.

“Like one or two days before he passed, he said to me, ‘Zulema, if anything happens to me, I want you to know that there is money in a bag in the closet and it’s for you. It’s not much but it’s for you,'” Pastenes told police in the video released this week. “I said, ‘Don’t say things like that Alex. Why would you say something like that?’ He said, ‘Just in case.'”

Pastenes explained there was a black duffle bag in the closet. Inside was a plastic Ziploc bag holding five to seven thousand dollars and next to it was headphones, a phone and a gun in a case. The phone was seized by police but Pastenes told detectives she still has the duffle bag and everything else in it.

What Alex Cox revealed days before he died and the unusual massage he gave his wife - East Idaho News

The day after Alex Cox and Zulema Pastenes were married in Las Vegas, he offered to give her a massage. It was Saturday, Nov. 30, 2019 in the middle of the day. Cox, a massage therapist, had never given Pastenes a massage and said they needed to go to Walmart first to buy a large […]

www.eastidahonews.com

Interesting. Zulema mentions life insurance too. From your link -

Pastenes told police that months earlier, Chad had said Tammy was going to die in a car accident on a trip to Utah. Tammy visited her family in Springville by herself in early October 2019, but made it home safely to Rexburg.

“Chad said she did pass away but she was taken over by an evil spirit. In the back of my mind, here I am thinking they said the same thing about Charles and then Charles ended up being shot,” Pastenes said.

Two weeks after the Utah trip, Tammy died in her sleep. Tammy and Chad’s five children said last month they were told by investigators their mother died of asphyxiation.

After Cox got off the phone with Chad and Lori, Pastenes asked if he had anything to do with Tammy’s death.

“He goes, ‘No.’ That’s it. Nothing else. I was waiting for him to say something else. So I’m like, ‘Ok…Are you going to say anything else?’ (He replied) ‘No,'” Pastenes said.

She explained to investigators that Cox “seemed so sure” of his answer that she didn’t think he was involved. She stood up and began walking away when he said something that made her stop.

“He said, ‘I think I am being their fall guy.’ I asked him, ‘Fall guy for what? What is it they are trying to pin on you? What did they do?’ He didn’t want to say anything,” Pastenes said. A few minutes later, Cox looked at her and said, “Either I am a man of God or I am not.”

The next day, Cox was dead.

Pastenes told detectives she doesn’t know if Alex made changes to life insurance policies before he died “but Lori would.”

RoundPeg · Apr 15, 2023

So, Alex had been Lori's "protector" pretty much forever. I wonder how she liked it when she found out Alex had cash for Zulema.

Tresir · Apr 15, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
Totally. I can believe they couldn't find what it was and I can believe they did find he had real health issues and that something triggered that but I don't believe they didn't do something to cause something and maybe the coroner had no choice as there WAS a natural cause and they couldn't find anything nor knew of anything that brought that on.

I would have hoped due to the circumstances surrounding his death which they can take into account (and all going on around Alex and a recent marriage and more and suspicions about him in shootings and Charles' death) added with the possibility there was something they couldn't find they could have at least given it an undetermined as to cause but nope...

They found blood clots in his lungs. It sounds like it could have been Covid.

Guess Who · Apr 15, 2023

Tresir said:
Ok but as of now the court doesn't know if she will testify. If she does, clearly she will be asked about this ie when did she know she was not the beneficiary of Charles' life insurance anymore. We have heard MG testify and have heard Detective Duncan read the text regarding when Lori heard about the beneficiary change. If Lori doesn't testify, then the jury has two versions to consider regarding this motive.

That's on her. She IS available.

GrandmaBear · Apr 15, 2023

RoundPeg said:
Defense was leading the witness?

Imo yes. I guarantee you I don't remember the exact words but I know she basically agreed with what THEY stated and I just tried to portray the gist of it. I don't know that I'll get the chance but if I do I will try to narrow it down to a time stamp in her testmony. I did do a internet search trying to get a clip of just the part about life insurance but couldn't find anything other than interviews from back when.

GrandmaBear · Apr 15, 2023

Tresir said:
Ok but as of now the court doesn't know if she will testify. If she does, clearly she will be asked about this ie when did she know she was not the beneficiary of Charles' life insurance anymore. We have heard MG testify and have heard Detective Duncan read the text regarding when Lori heard about the beneficiary change. If Lori doesn't testify, then the jury has two versions to consider regarding this motive.

And if I were a juror it would be clear MG was in the wrong and the text would rule. That's what they have to do, the jury, is decide what is credible and what is not, who is and who is not or even if the person is credible on some things but not on others.

GrandmaBear · Apr 15, 2023

RoundPeg said:
Zulema said Alex left her a bag of cash. Let me see if I can find that. Adding source.

“Like one or two days before he passed, he said to me, ‘Zulema, if anything happens to me, I want you to know that there is money in a bag in the closet and it’s for you. It’s not much but it’s for you,'” Pastenes told police in the video released this week. “I said, ‘Don’t say things like that Alex. Why would you say something like that?’ He said, ‘Just in case.'”

Pastenes explained there was a black duffle bag in the closet. Inside was a plastic Ziploc bag holding five to seven thousand dollars and next to it was headphones, a phone and a gun in a case. The phone was seized by police but Pastenes told detectives she still has the duffle bag and everything else in it.

What Alex Cox revealed days before he died and the unusual massage he gave his wife - East Idaho News

The day after Alex Cox and Zulema Pastenes were married in Las Vegas, he offered to give her a massage. It was Saturday, Nov. 30, 2019 in the middle of the day. Cox, a massage therapist, had never given Pastenes a massage and said they needed to go to Walmart first to buy a large […]

www.eastidahonews.com

Sure sounds like Alex was worried if he died, that she know abotu this... So many "coincidences" and uncanny timing with his death of "natural causes"...

GrandmaBear · Apr 15, 2023

Tresir said:
They found blood clots in his lungs. It sounds like it could have been Covid.

yeah I know they found such but no way in heck can i dismiss all the things that point to someone or something giving him a bit of help with his demise. he is telling Z about a bag of cash if something should happen to him. Lori had griped about him bumbling the shooting of Tammy. Then Tammy's body was exhumed and he was dead. And more...

they either couldn't find something or missed something imo.

i will never believe he wasn't helped along to his death.

i said as much earlier and have throughout.

GrandmaBear · Apr 15, 2023

I highly recommend just going to 37:50 in until 42 to 43 minutes in. Less than five minutes. THIS says what I have seen and believe or a lot of it and I didn't get it from them, I just see the same things and more. MG COULD have done something but she was INTO this.

Just listen to the points because it is dead on.

GrandmaBear · Apr 15, 2023

If you go on in the one above, Chad has a lot of anger and violence in him. It came out in his books apparently.

It is also becoming apparent in this trial that Chad did not like JJ. Chad took JJ upstairs and came back down with a red neck... Lori let Chad discipline and handle JJ on his own...

GrandmaBear · Apr 15, 2023

There is a lot of interest after that in the video as well.

Tresir · Apr 16, 2023

I came across this Inside Edition article from January '23 that has links to both the Rexburg and Arizona PC affidavits. I don't think these have been posted previously.

Lori Vallow Claims Her Children Died in Brother's Apartment: Court Doc

Lori Vallow submitted an alibi for her upcoming trial, which says: "Lori Vallow was in her own apartment in Rexburg, Idaho, when J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan died in the apartment of Alex Cox in Rexburg, Idaho."

www.insideedition.com

in the Arizona PC affidavit, it mentions a social security search that Lori performed. She also texts Chad (one week after Charles' death) to say that Charles had changed the beneficiary in March.

From the Arizona PC affidavit-

"This search is of importance as it would
indicate an inquiry as to the benefits that Lori would be entitled to. In a text
message that Lori sent to Chad Daybell on 07/18/2019 (one week after Charles
was murdered), she indicated the following:
“So I talked to the insurance company. He changed it in March. So it was
probably Ned before we got rid of him. They can’t tell me to who of course but
it’s done. I’ll still get the 4000 a month from SS”.
Lori would not have known this without completing the online benefit evaluation.
Furthermore, The Social Security Administration did not have any contact with
Lori until she attended an appointment with them on 08/12/2019 at 1330 hours.
This appointment date was located in Lori’s iCloud account. It was at this time
that Lori was provided with the actual amount of the benefit which was close to
the $4,000 she reported to Chad in July."

Kimster · Apr 16, 2023

RoundPeg said:
Zulema said Alex left her a bag of cash. Let me see if I can find that. Adding source.

“Like one or two days before he passed, he said to me, ‘Zulema, if anything happens to me, I want you to know that there is money in a bag in the closet and it’s for you. It’s not much but it’s for you,'” Pastenes told police in the video released this week. “I said, ‘Don’t say things like that Alex. Why would you say something like that?’ He said, ‘Just in case.'”

Pastenes explained there was a black duffle bag in the closet. Inside was a plastic Ziploc bag holding five to seven thousand dollars and next to it was headphones, a phone and a gun in a case. The phone was seized by police but Pastenes told detectives she still has the duffle bag and everything else in it.

What Alex Cox revealed days before he died and the unusual massage he gave his wife - East Idaho News

The day after Alex Cox and Zulema Pastenes were married in Las Vegas, he offered to give her a massage. It was Saturday, Nov. 30, 2019 in the middle of the day. Cox, a massage therapist, had never given Pastenes a massage and said they needed to go to Walmart first to buy a large […]

www.eastidahonews.com

I don’t remember reading that before. Wow!

Kimster · Apr 16, 2023

Tresir said:
Interesting. Zulema mentions life insurance too. From your link -

Pastenes told police that months earlier, Chad had said Tammy was going to die in a car accident on a trip to Utah. Tammy visited her family in Springville by herself in early October 2019, but made it home safely to Rexburg.

“Chad said she did pass away but she was taken over by an evil spirit. In the back of my mind, here I am thinking they said the same thing about Charles and then Charles ended up being shot,” Pastenes said.

Two weeks after the Utah trip, Tammy died in her sleep. Tammy and Chad’s five children said last month they were told by investigators their mother died of asphyxiation.

After Cox got off the phone with Chad and Lori, Pastenes asked if he had anything to do with Tammy’s death.

“He goes, ‘No.’ That’s it. Nothing else. I was waiting for him to say something else. So I’m like, ‘Ok…Are you going to say anything else?’ (He replied) ‘No,'” Pastenes said.

She explained to investigators that Cox “seemed so sure” of his answer that she didn’t think he was involved. She stood up and began walking away when he said something that made her stop.

“He said, ‘I think I am being their fall guy.’ I asked him, ‘Fall guy for what? What is it they are trying to pin on you? What did they do?’ He didn’t want to say anything,” Pastenes said. A few minutes later, Cox looked at her and said, “Either I am a man of God or I am not.”

The next day, Cox was dead.

Pastenes told detectives she doesn’t know if Alex made changes to life insurance policies before he died “but Lori would.”

Here’s another part of the case that is strange to me. Chad’s children think he’s completely innocent. Their mother died from asphyxiation and Chad said he was in bed with her the whole night. Seriously? They don’t question their dad at all? That’s just so bizarre.

Kimster · Apr 16, 2023

GrandmaBear said:
yeah I know they found such but no way in heck can i dismiss all the things that point to someone or something giving him a bit of help with his demise. he is telling Z about a bag of cash if something should happen to him. Lori had griped about him bumbling the shooting of Tammy. Then Tammy's body was exhumed and he was dead. And more...

they either couldn't find something or missed something imo.

i will never believe he wasn't helped along to his death.

i said as much earlier and have throughout.

I completely agree. And throw Joe Ryan in. I think he was murdered, too.

Guess Who · Apr 16, 2023

Kimster said:
Here’s another part of the case that is strange to me. Chad’s children think he’s completely innocent. Their mother died from asphyxiation and Chad said he was in bed with her the whole night. Seriously? They don’t question their dad at all? That’s just so bizarre.

and that is about the least bizarre thing about them!

RoundPeg · Apr 16, 2023

Kimster said:
Here’s another part of the case that is strange to me. Chad’s children think he’s completely innocent. Their mother died from asphyxiation and Chad said he was in bed with her the whole night. Seriously? They don’t question their dad at all? That’s just so bizarre.

They were raised in the cult of the firstborn. Brainwashed to never question the leader. Hopefully, life will deprogram them. Possible?

Kimster · Apr 16, 2023

RoundPeg said:
They were raised in the cult of the firstborn. Brainwashed to never question the leader. Hopefully, life will deprogram them. Possible?

I didn’t think about that. How long has Chad been doing his cult thing?

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