JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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I think it's possible he hit it on the floor when the two of them fell to the floor struggling. So he then lied and said that it was from the baseball bat as justification for the shooting.
If they actually struggled. For all we know, Charles entered that house and from that moment on was held at gun point. Every bit of info comes from them and perhaps Tylee who was to back it all up of course.
 
I was wondering exactly where she pulls these stories from too. :LOL:
Probably from out of her aris.

NB. Cockney Rhyming Slang.
For example, the word "Aris" is often used to indicate the buttocks. This is the result of a double rhyme, starting with the original rough synonym "arse", which is rhymed with "bottle and glass", leading to "bottle". "Bottle" was then rhymed with "Aristotle" and truncated to "Aris".
I understand arse. The rests is a bit like huh?

Why am I feeling as if the defense is going to surprise and go into the beliefs and LDS and more... If we think we've seen it all, I think we are wrong unless anyone has listened to all, I certainly haven't. Last night since I have today off before another grueling four days (one day off in nine) went to the wrong tab on my 'puter and it was Mel Gibb testimony I hadn't finished watching and I also watched, or I should say listened to, some of David's and someone who came after Mel etc.... Archibald did got at David quite a bit... Various things lead me to believe where he may go in the defense part...
 
Has anyone ever listened to this before? It was recorded in Oct 2018. She sounds batsh*t crazy. I couldn't listen to it all but just to bits of it before I had had enough.

Yes. I don't think there's much I haven't heard in this case although I do forget some at times because of the sheer volume of it all. I also listened to I think all of Annie's videos (Joe's sister) and she is one that can go on for hours on end. Not a criticism, all interesting, just saying hers are hours and hours long and she has been in depth on it all. I don't think I've missed much but again the sheer volume and number of deaths and all of it...

It seems to me, I'm sorry, that if you have seen Jesus, say you've sat down with Jesus, use the word miracle or vision, blessings, etc., you SHALL be belived and immediately get followers in this relgion... And be thought of highly.
 
I quit listening after starting to get a headache from Lori as she was saying how the Lord told her to move to whatever place in Hawaii. I turned it on just to see if it was the one I thought it was. Yeah, go away Lori. It's my sole day off and five minutes or so was enough of you.
 
You might be thinking of Chad's preliminary hearing in court, not grand jury?

11:02, told Chad he didn't believe what?
Warwick didn’t believe Chad’s religious mumbo-jumbo. It’s spelled out in a post above on the website. I can’t remember exactly which crazy idea it was, I don’t know if it was about zombies or exactly what - off the top of my head.
 
It almost seems like the defence is just going thru the motions of a trial here. There does not appear to have been any major cross examinations by them.

Also, why have we had no cause of death discussed by LE or autopsy results of JJ and Tylee? Or have I missed that?

Also, why so long ( 8 months ) between the Rexburg search warrants and the exhumations at the Daybell residence?
Between Aug and December 2019 there were 5 deaths/disappearances.

What do you make of it all so far? I cannot get over the accused being shackled to the floor. That has to be because they think she will launch herself at the witnesses, judge, jury, attorneys etc.

Only thing like this I have seen before is the Golden State Killer shackled to his wheelchair.
She’s no longer being shackledto the floor. I think they were just doing that in the beginning because they weren’t sure if she was going to jump up on the desk. She’s a nutcase!

They said they can’t determine the cause of death for Tylee, because of the condition of her remains. For the life of me for some reason I can’t remember hearing JJ’s cause of death? I know they know it. Have they disclosed it?
 
Just checking JLumFox10 Twitter in case we missed anything. I didn't know this for example.


You didn’t know that she had been charged in Maricopa County? Is that the part you’re asking about? I was aware and I thought that was why they were able to bring it up. Or maybe why they shouldn’t bring it up. I do know that he’s been her attorneys’ angst during the whole trial.
 
I understand arse. The rests is a bit like huh?

Why am I feeling as if the defense is going to surprise and go into the beliefs and LDS and more... If we think we've seen it all, I think we are wrong unless anyone has listened to all, I certainly haven't. Last night since I have today off before another grueling four days (one day off in nine) went to the wrong tab on my 'puter and it was Mel Gibb testimony I hadn't finished watching and I also watched, or I should say listened to, some of David's and someone who came after Mel etc.... Archibald did got at David quite a bit... Various things lead me to believe where he may go in the defense part...
Yes, cockney rhyming slang is way out there but some has entered into the vernacular. I thought I would chuck it in as Kimster mentioned she liked hearing stuff like that. My mother was actually a Cockney. Definition of a cockney is to be born within the area of the sound of Bow Bells in London.

Here's another recording I found today. This is from Adam and is about Lori, Charles, Alex, Tylee and the Cox family. It's interesting background to Lori's beliefs and Charles' death. Adam says what you just said upthread - did they lure him in? Also, he says how did Lori and Lori's mum know about his and Charles' texts unless she had read it on Charles' phone. He says that she had Charles' phone for more than two hours after his death and had already spoken to their mother about it. He says noone told him Charles was dead although they all knew. It took a friend googling Charles' name to tell him what had happened to him.

 
You didn’t know that she had been charged in Maricopa County? Is that the part you’re asking about? I was aware and I thought that was why they were able to bring it up. Or maybe why they shouldn’t bring it up. I do know that he’s been her attorneys’ angst during the whole trial.
Yes, I must have missed that. It will be a separate trial then.

I guess Charles' name should be added to the thread title and the state of Arizona too. Plus Tammy's name too maybe?

Is she charged with Tammy's death too?

Sorry but am having a bit of a brain fart today.
 
It almost seems like the defence is just going thru the motions of a trial here. There does not appear to have been any major cross examinations by them.

Also, why have we had no cause of death discussed by LE or autopsy results of JJ and Tylee? Or have I missed that?

Also, why so long ( 8 months ) between the Rexburg search warrants and the exhumations at the Daybell residence?
Between Aug and December 2019 there were 5 deaths/disappearances.

What do you make of it all so far? I cannot get over the accused being shackled to the floor. That has to be because they think she will launch herself at the witnesses, judge, jury, attorneys etc.

Only thing like this I have seen before is the Golden State Killer shackled to his wheelchair.
Letecia Stauch in that case is shackled to the floor as well. She did attempt escape in the past, that may be part of it. Nate Eaton seems to think it is the way of things now but it isn't where I'm at.

I was just watching a few minutes of one of his from last night, it is about an hour and I likely won't see it all. The bit I have watched though had him saying Archibald has actually strongly objected to some of the witnesses and subject line.

I also saw Archibald do quite a bit with regard to David Warwick and questioning.

I don't know what it is but I don't trust this case... The prosecution I feel is doing a great job and is prepared and has prepared well. I think the evidence is MORE than there and they are portraying a convoluted mess of a bunch of events and murders in a way the jury can follow. One has to admit this has been a TOUGH case through the years for even us to keep straight and follow.

So all is done well pretty much imo but the other stuff, letting in all about Charles, Judge's b.s. about pictures taken (false imo), DW watching Mel G's testimony(!), the former problems of HAVING to separate Chad and Lori's cases and dropping the death penalty and MORE, I feel is all a bit suspect and RIPE for appeal, mistrial, etc.. And let's add Mel G's bit about the life insurance of Charles. I don't know that I buy this is all just accidental...

When a nation is watching, the players if smart can';t just throw a case out but little accidents (that help but weren't intentional) can be explained away...

Not sure if I think that is what is going on but I am wondering...
 
Letecia Stauch in that case is shackled to the floor as well. She did attempt escape in the past, that may be part of it. Nate Eaton seems to think it is the way of things now but it isn't where I'm at.

I was just watching a few minutes of one of his from last night, it is about an hour and I likely won't see it all. The bit I have watched though had him saying Archibald has actually strongly objected to some of the witnesses and subject line.

I also saw Archibald do quite a bit with regard to David Warwick and questioning.

I don't know what it is but I don't trust this case... The prosecution I feel is doing a great job and is prepared and has prepared well. I think the evidence is MORE than there and they are portraying a convoluted mess of a bunch of events and murders in a way the jury can follow. One has to admit this has been a TOUGH case through the years for even us to keep straight and follow.

So all is done well pretty much imo but the other stuff, letting in all about Charles, Judge's b.s. about pictures taken (false imo), DW watching Mel G's testimony(!), the former problems of HAVING to separate Chad and Lori's cases and dropping the death penalty and MORE, I feel is all a bit suspect and RIPE for appeal, mistrial, etc.. And let's add Mel G's bit about the life insurance of Charles. I don't know that I buy this is all just accidental...

When a nation is watching, the players if smart can';t just throw a case out but little accidents (that help but weren't intentional) can be explained away...

Not sure if I think that is what is going on but I am wondering...
Boyce has it out for Lori Hellis. Did you read about that whole escapade?
 
I think they were getting search warrants for the phones is part of the delay. Lori was arrested for abandonment in February of 2020. At that time, it was still being treated (legally) as missing persons. I think it was the GPS history on Alex's phone and things like Chad's raccoon text that finally led to the yard in June.

I have mixed feelings about Lori being shackled to the floor. On one hand, she's a known flight risk. On the other, prosecution has a circumstantial case that so far hasn't put any weapons in her hands. It may look like they're using theatrics (shackles) to increase the suggestion she's a violent criminal. Overall, I'm not sure she should be shackled.
Not sure I even knew Lori was shackled. I knew T in the Stauch case is. No one in the public can see Lori of course. Nate Eaton thinks it is the way of things.

Lori "fled" to Hawaii but to my knowledge has plotted nor tried any escape attempts since arrest. Not sure if I think she should be shackled either... She has been in the courtroom on many an occasion and wasn't shackled was she?

I think there is something else that pointed them to Chad's property but they had to find their own cause and reason to search it. Change in landscape, raccoon text and I think a neighbor's info may have given them enough.

As for Tammy being exhumed and that taking time, such always does and this case and the various things they were finding out were coming from all sides and different jurisdictions, states, murders, attempted murders and so forth. Red tape for one thing.
 
Well I certainly don't understand it unless the mental evaluation has shown things we don't know about her as yet.

Alex and Chad appear to have been her lackies/weapons.
I don't think Chad was her lackie. If one is to believe all the less than moral people who have testified, Chad LED all. Chad was the one Lori checked with, Chad decided if a casting had worked or someone else had entered a body, Chad decided who was light and dark, etc. Alex was definitely THEIR lackie though, I agree on that one.
 

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