JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the cases of Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

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[GrandmaBear]

I think you nailed it. They had heard his prophecies she was going to die and just accepted it. Pre-programmed. Now Dad Chad is wrongly convicted he is the victim in their eyes. For Garth, who still lived at home, I guess it is a little harder to accept and he is the eldest right? A bit conflicted perhaps.

I haven't had time to watch any more juror interviews.

Wasn't sure post would make sense as I couldn't find the words but you got it. They don't feel they lost their mother but only the evil entity that inhabited her or some such and they just accept it and were programmed to it. I think to a point that's where Lori was with her kids too. I hate giving her one bit of understanding but I think she went along with that entity had to be beat out, burned out, stomped out... Chad is as EVIL as they come.

ON the OTHER hand, these kids have had to had their programming somewhat broken into by now, even Emma admits to watching news and finding out Lori and daddy had a PHYSICAL affair... Garth would seem the youngest even though he isn't--very shaky "kid"...I think on some level they both KNOW though. Haven't accepted it and if they did would not know where to turn or what to do next... They won't be able to be in touch with Chad every day soon and they should look for a deprogramming class lol but then we have Lori who can't be and she hasn't done so either. Maybe none dare as then they have to face all the brutal truth. All I know is they need to be kept away from the Kool aid. BUT that's excusing them and there's no excuse and LORI was as bad as Chad and leading as well.

yeah lack of time bites for sure. Every juror interview I've seen has been worth watching if you get a chance. Not sure I either finished the last one, I think it was the second Blake one on HTC and more in depth and was good but a lot longer and so it took some time. I watched most, just can't recall if I finished. I was watch that, then the LISK stuff broke, daughter came over yesterday, etc. Packed a lot in and yet didn't get all done as usual. And back to work today.

 

[Kimster]

Tell me what would happen if Chad's kids admit to mental manipulation by Chad and lying under oath. Could that have any influence in an appeal for instance?

Well, I don’t think it would help Chad in any way.

 

[Kimster]

I thought there was a long standing no contact order between them. I wonder if it's still in force.

People ask Nate that all the time and he doesn’t really have an answer. I think the last time they asked, he said that people on death row can’t have contact with other prisoners.

 

[Kimster]

Lori’s brother Adam said that Lori is aware of what happened in Chad‘s trial. People do talk to her on the phone on a semi regular basis. He said this during one of their question-and-answer sessions that I had running while I was cleaning house.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No but his Storm is LOL. He looks like he has lost weight. I thought that over the trial period he was slowly looking thinner as his clothes looked larger on him. He doesn't look unhappy. Would he have a tablet for phone calls like RA has who is also in solitary? Maybe that's why he is smiling as he and Lori could be in touch with each other now - IYKWIM

His storm uhm, never mind. I decided I will not capitalize it lol.

I think he has a tablet and plenty of phone access as Emma talked to him daily. But I do not think he can be in contact with Lori, pretty sure co conspirators and felons cannot call each other. I'm sure though lil Ms Emma is happy to carry messages in code or some such but think it is about to get a whole lot harder for her to do so now that he's going to death row.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Tell me what would happen if Chad's kids admit to mental manipulation by Chad and lying under oath. Could that have any influence in an appeal for instance?

Not sure what you mean or are asking. They could admit to such, sure, but I don't see where it would affect appeal one way or another. He was found guilty and clearly no one believed the kids. I don't think anything he did or did not do to them would have any effect as they had no effect really in the trial.

If they admitted to manipualtion and lying, they of course could be charged with perjury and I guess maybe he could be charged with abuse except they aren't minor children. I don't think anything about Emma and Garth would affect an appeal one way or another.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well I think I now understand why Prior has priors put the kids on the stand. Their testimony helped convict Chad and now could help the appeal.

We have to remember that Chad and Lori and most of those in his cult are master manipulators at getting followers to believe in them and his kids were part of that cult - Emma best friends and chatting with Lori in prison, putting money on her commissary account, almost a conspirator/little spy for her Dad.

How so? What are you watching or where is this coming from? I'm tired and missing something I guess?

I think I listening to jurors plenty would have convicted Chad whether the kids had testified or not. Every juror has said how the prosecution backed up over and over every fact, etc.

Did I miss a post, it is possible, because I don't see any way the kids could help Chad's appeal.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I thought there was a long standing no contact order between them. I wonder if it's still in force.

I am pretty certain also that felons and co conspirators can have no contact.

I am foggy on it but there was a time I believe it was still Means and not Archibald, Prior and Means wanted them to all be allowed to meet to strategize defense or see what the other one was going to do or some such and Boyce ruled against it. May have been Archie but I think it was Means. God forbid. Attorneys would have likely turned their backs while Mr and Mrs Evil had a conjugal visit and talked how to lie and what they would each say.

Half in jest.

I don't have a single problem in believing Emma was a conduit of communication between them. Not sure how exactly but I'd about bet on it she is sooo programmed. And perhaps the attorneys as well...

Lori had no defense and Chad pretty much laid down at the end and would not allow mitigating factors. I find that all odd and perhaps that stuff has to do with appeal, no idea. I truly don't see how either can claim something like ineffective counsel a it was their own choice but I still find it odd. And Chad really didn't throw Lori under the bus as expected... Prior kind of started out with that language of meeting a blonde goddess (gag) but never really continued the theme or any theme throughout trial to speak of. He promised his big defense but delivered little.

Lori hogtied her attorney and Chad kind of did the same it seems and in the end even though mitigation was prepared by Prior he refused to have such.

Just kind of talking it out. No idea the reasons other than with Lori, she wasn't going to allow anyone to go at Alex or Chad and with Chad, I think he was simply with the mitigation showing attitude at being found guilty and being a martyr about it an stubborn and displaying attitude. If I never see that man's nose high in the air again, I will be a happy camper. God I got sick of seeing him. And I didn't even watch the whole trial by a long shot. Still saw plenty of it.

I know people have various opinions on the DP and it is controversial but if anyone ever deserved it these two wicked people do and I am thankful one got it even though it may never be followed through with.

Not a response directed to you, just talking out some thoughts as they come but as far as a response, yeah, I do not think they are allowed contact.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well I think I now understand why Prior has priors put the kids on the stand. Their testimony helped convict Chad and now could help the appeal.

We have to remember that Chad and Lori and most of those in his cult are master manipulators at getting followers to believe in them and his kids were part of that cult - Emma best friends and chatting with Lori in prison, putting money on her commissary account, almost a conspirator/little spy for her Dad.

Emma is most definitely daddy's little helper, spy and passer of communications. I'd bet on it. Not going to be so easy now though. Hopefully.

 

[Tresir]

I thought there was a long standing no contact order between them. I wonder if it's still in force.

Why would it still be in force if they are both now convicted? They would just use Emma as a go between anyway but I guess there wouldnt be any shenanigans then unless she had two computers and rang them both and put the computers facing each other so they could communicate. For all we know they have already been doing it.

 

[Tresir]

How so? What are you watching or where is this coming from? I'm tired and missing something I guess?

I think I listening to jurors plenty would have convicted Chad whether the kids had testified or not. Every juror has said how the prosecution backed up over and over every fact, etc.

Did I miss a post, it is possible, because I don't see any way the kids could help Chad's appeal.

So if it is discovered a witness committed perjury, it would not be reason for a mistrial ?

 

[Guess Who]

So if it is discovered a witness committed perjury, it would not be reason for a mistrial ?

It could certainly be.

 

[Tresir]

Here is the appeal. Filed 3 June.

Daybell attorney files appeal following death sentence decision

Chad Daybell's defense attorney has filed a notice of appeal, asking the Idaho Supreme Court to examine the verdict and death sentence.

www.kivitv.com

BOISE, Idaho — A jury of 12 convicted Chad Daybell on all 8 counts, including first-degree murder for the deaths of Tylee Ryan, JJ Vallow, and Tammy Daybell on May 30, 2024. Daybell was given the death sentence just two days later. Now, defense attorney John Prior has filed an appeal asking the Idaho Supreme Court to examine the verdict and death sentence.

RELATED | Chad Daybell found guilty on all counts in murder trial

In the notice of appeal, filed Monday, June 3, Prior asks the Idaho Supreme Court to consider the following questions:

• Did the court err in not granting Daybell’s motion to dismiss the grand jury indictment in the case?
• Did the court err in ruling Dr. Davidson’s report and testimony would be inadmissible in the case?
• Did the court err in allowing the prosecution to amend their indictment after they rested?
• Did the court err in denying the defense’s motion to dismiss the case?
• Did the court err in providing to the jury the most current jury instruction of reasonable doubt at the guilt stage?
• Did the court err in providing the jury the most currently instruction of reasonable doubt at the sentencing phase?

Prior also filed a separate motion, requesting that a state defense attorney be appointed to represent Chad Daybell and assist in seeking appellate relief.
The full text of the notice of appeal from Prior is available here.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

So if it is discovered a witness committed perjury, it would not be reason for a mistrial ?

It could certainly be.

It wasn't for Casey Anthony.

 

[Guess Who]

It wasn't for Casey Anthony.

There are plenty of others, but it still COULD be a reason, as I stated.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Why would it still be in force if they are both now convicted? They would just use Emma as a go between anyway but I guess there wouldnt be any shenanigans then unless she had two computers and rang them both and put the computers facing each other so they could communicate. For all we know they have already been doing it.

I would think or hope there is no way she could do that as everything is listened to. I figure she may slip him info in person, show him a note and then take it or some such. That's what Kouri Richins was doing or part of what she was doing with her mother and brother. I am pretty darned positive they CANNOT have contact and now as convicted felons and both convicted as co conspirators I am even more sure they are not allowed such and never will be. Nate I think it was said Chad won't have the all day access to a tablet or calls as he did in county. In think where he is going they have like a single hour a day of anything but lock down with little at all in their cell. TOTALLY different than how it's been. Lori hasn't hit prison yet but with her too, I think a lot of such will be a lot more curtailed or I'd sure hope so. She'd be in max security prison.

And Emma isn't going to be visiting easily either. If at all. Chad is on DEATH ROW or will be. While things have become more cushy in prisons with TVs and some things in SOME, I don't think Death Row has changed to where they can talk to anyone they please or even have visitors, unsure but he isn't going to have MUCH that's for sure.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Lori’s brother Adam said that Lori is aware of what happened in Chad‘s trial. People do talk to her on the phone on a semi regular basis. He said this during one of their question-and-answer sessions that I had running while I was cleaning house.

I know Janice talks to her. Summer said she doesn't or at least these days they have no contact, not saying that couldn't ever change. Pretty positive Adam doesn't. I don't think Colby would. I can't think of many who would or do other than mom and dad.

It was always said by Adam though that it is surface stuff talked of and not Chad, her crimes, etc. I GUESS her own attorney could have told her and probably callsl. They may have been allowed to watch it, who knows... It is county with TV I'm sure, do they allow things like Court TV on or have those channels... Hard to say.

She isn't a typical inmate though or one wouldh't think under the same freedoms. She is a convicted murderer simply awaiting another murder trial and attempted one in their county jail...

 

[GrandmaBear]

So if it is discovered a witness committed perjury, it would not be reason for a mistrial ?

Okay. NOW I see where you are going, that wasn't clear to me at all, anything about perjury in the other post, etc. I suppose YES perjury could be a reason for a mistrial but there is something really wrong if them putting his kids up to lie and help him out would give him a mistrial. Not so sure about that one and I'd think an appeals court would look at it all. I have no idea but I can't see how such would be allowed to cause a mistrial for him because every defendant would be pulling this stunt if that's what it was. They were there to help him and their lies were to help him. I just don't see that it would fly. I have no idea of the rules but they are serious courts and I've never heard of such a thing working or used.

And providing they did commit it is another thing and they didn't with Garth previously and almost all they said is one word against others. There was the life insurance blip with Emma and he friend saying Garth found Tammy and dad wasn't home. Neither thing was gone further into nor used in rebuttal which I wondered about but maybe that's part of the reason plus I think such stood on its own and the jurors could see it for what it was clearly.

And so what, Prior would have to claim the kids lied? Lol. Then that's admitting almost to having them lie either by he or Chad and are they going to ask they be charged and jailed? It's an interesting concept and I'd like to know from an expert the full response to that but I'd almost think it would have to be a prosecution witness or something that helped convict Chad, not his witnesses trying to help Chad.

Does anyone know here? I doubt any of us do but I seriously doubt that can be done. I can't swear to it but I doubt it. Were you watching or reading somewhere that this was said?

 

[GrandmaBear]

It wasn't for Casey Anthony.

I think she is meaning a new trial. She is talking appeal I think. Unless I have it wrong. Casey had nor needed either thing as she wasn't found guilty. @Tresir your e talking appeal right, and then throwing his one out and granting a new one?

 

[Kimster]

So if it is discovered a witness committed perjury, it would not be reason for a mistrial ?

Do we know a case for that ever happened? I know that they have been charged for committing a crime of perjury, but I don’t remember a complete mistrial.