JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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Her shoes are called sliders, i think LOL. Her hair? Bad extensions and she didn't know the camera was behind her. So she did her makeup for nothing.

So it seems like they wanted to get out of another competency eval but the judge insisted, which i think is good if she wants to rep herself. He is not prepared to accept the Idaho one. The judge wants it done speedily (3 days i think he said so they plan to be back in court Dec 5th due to the short week next week). The prosecution put up some doctor names. There was a section completely muted due to the D request but it was supposedly on the record but we didn't hear what that was about. I dragged the video forward past that bit so may have missed some dialogue in the middle.
 
Okay I watched more minutes and no sh*t you can hear her atty whispering to her. Both sides are doing whatever, now judge having to review something (by the way this is no the judge that is set for the other). At one point she siaid "this is crazy, never seen anything like it" I'm sure referring to the judge I imagine. Or perhaps how the State wants this Rule 11 thing. I think she means the judge because it is said while he is reviewing reports.

It is a bit hard to understand throughout these last hearings that it is the State who WANTS these evaluation and the D who does NOT. It's usually JUST the OPPOSITE, which is also stated by the D...

It is also interesting how her shaky voiced atty (less so now) really goes to bat on this and while she isn't totally disrespectful, I've seen judges that would have come down on her for her interruption here and there and a few other things. They argue how just watching Lori and seeing her in court is an indicator of her competence and things like that and that there's no basis for denying her a right to represent herself which is her right, etc. I actually myself wondered how they could refuse that when they did. I believe they did anyhow.

THESE attorneys did not ask for the Rule 11 thing, Lori's former ones did and note they are now off the case...

Also confusing is this is not the only judge in this case. I don't know if one was covering while the other was gone or what.

I don't know if I can watch a trial with Lori representing herself. I'd probably want to to begin with and then couldn't take it after no time at all most likely. Listening to her interview by Colby was hard enough and her lies.

I don't believe either she is incompetent. I never have. Her atty makes it clear she understands the charges, the Rule 11, is able to adi in her defense and points out her behavior in the courtroom where she's always shown that. Personally I think when she talks her ridiculous lies and beliefs, some find it easier to put it down to delusional, as apparently her first attorneys through or were trying for against her wishes I guess... They also went against her desire for a speedy trial. Her own attorneys, the first ones did.

The judge also questioned Lori, pretty much if I recall from watching a bit more last night, when her attorneys pointed out that had never been done and sounds like something you do or can do first.

It's a bit confusing these last weeks. But pretty much this is the case. The State wants the Rule 11 to proceed, the D does not. The first attorneys for Lori requested it, so it was started, now her new ones want to stop it. She wants to represent self and not being allowed, and she does not want the competency thing. Etc., etc. These new attys are trying to get it stopped and withdraw the request and the State is saying no, it was started by the D side and it should proceed. Her new attys are also fighting for her right to represent herself. In other words, she has found attys that are now doing her bidding. I guess to a point that's what your attys should do....

I haven't finished yet but am through a large part of it.
 
Okay I watched more minutes and no sh*t you can hear her atty whispering to her. Both sides are doing whatever, now judge having to review something (by the way this is no the judge that is set for the other). At one point she siaid "this is crazy, never seen anything like it" I'm sure referring to the judge I imagine. Or perhaps how the State wants this Rule 11 thing. I think she means the judge because it is said while he is reviewing reports.

It is a bit hard to understand throughout these last hearings that it is the State who WANTS these evaluation and the D who does NOT. It's usually JUST the OPPOSITE, which is also stated by the D...

It is also interesting how her shaky voiced atty (less so now) really goes to bat on this and while she isn't totally disrespectful, I've seen judges that would have come down on her for her interruption here and there and a few other things. They argue how just watching Lori and seeing her in court is an indicator of her competence and things like that and that there's no basis for denying her a right to represent herself which is her right, etc. I actually myself wondered how they could refuse that when they did. I believe they did anyhow.

THESE attorneys did not ask for the Rule 11 thing, Lori's former ones did and note they are now off the case...

Also confusing is this is not the only judge in this case. I don't know if one was covering while the other was gone or what.

I don't know if I can watch a trial with Lori representing herself. I'd probably want to to begin with and then couldn't take it after no time at all most likely. Listening to her interview by Colby was hard enough and her lies.

I don't believe either she is incompetent. I never have. Her atty makes it clear she understands the charges, the Rule 11, is able to adi in her defense and points out her behavior in the courtroom where she's always shown that. Personally I think when she talks her ridiculous lies and beliefs, some find it easier to put it down to delusional, as apparently her first attorneys through or were trying for against her wishes I guess... They also went against her desire for a speedy trial. Her own attorneys, the first ones did.

The judge also questioned Lori, pretty much if I recall from watching a bit more last night, when her attorneys pointed out that had never been done and sounds like something you do or can do first.

It's a bit confusing these last weeks. But pretty much this is the case. The State wants the Rule 11 to proceed, the D does not. The first attorneys for Lori requested it, so it was started, now her new ones want to stop it. She wants to represent self and not being allowed, and she does not want the competency thing. Etc., etc. These new attys are trying to get it stopped and withdraw the request and the State is saying no, it was started by the D side and it should proceed. Her new attys are also fighting for her right to represent herself. In other words, she has found attys that are now doing her bidding. I guess to a point that's what your attys should do....

I haven't finished yet but am through a large part of it.
I think the state wants her to be declared too incompetent to represent herself because they know it’ll be a waste of time and money having her representing herself. Can you imagine the fiasco? It would be a very long trial of an already long trial ahead.
 
I think the state wants her to be declared too incompetent to represent herself because they know it’ll be a waste of time and money having her representing herself. Can you imagine the fiasco? It would be a very long trial of an already long trial ahead.
Thing is she can say whatever she wants about what happened as the 4 other people there that day are all dead. Two of whom she murdered.
 
I think the state wants her to be declared too incompetent to represent herself because they know it’ll be a waste of time and money having her representing herself. Can you imagine the fiasco? It would be a very long trial of an already long trial ahead.
Yeah, I did not mention that but it sure crossed my mind. It will cause trouble for them, the judge, for the entire case while she throws every bit of b.s. she can pull into it. She IS playing the system imo. Or trying to.

Colby was on last night, I missed the beginning, hit the middle and did not see all. I can only guess the beginning was about this, not sure.

She is relevant for the damage she caused but in the same breath she is becoming very irrelevant to me. THESE cases and THIS trial aren't/isn't over but she's shot her load so to speak and for me I am becoming where she's irrelevant. I know that's not the case for the families, Charles' family etc. and I DO care about justice for the other crimes. But I am struggling to find the words to put it right...

Every single victim deserves their own justice BUT there is security in knowing these two are never getting out, EVER. It does not mean your victim got justice but it does make her more irrelevant imo, her antics, her games. Again I struggle for the words. If LISK only gets convicted of the six charged with and they are sure and families of other girls don't get such where it is highly suspected he murdered them too, but harder to prove, etc., there is still security in knowing they are put away and LISK or Lori or any defendant trying to run the show and play games at this point, well, it's just not even a blip on the radar. It's irritating, it's annoying and it's unfair because Charles' family still deserves justice, and let's not forget possibly Joe which will never get there imo, but Lori and Chad are done for regardless is what I mean and there is security in knowing that. They both already are going to be In prison for LIFE and so she can play her games but not with the same effect imo s if there was not already life sentences.

Yet she thinks she is the show or as if this would change anything. just attn and control. It's important for justice for these other two cases but she just isn't as big of a deal any longer as she would wish, imo. Again I lack the words.

It's like you said with Colby's interview with her. OMG was that a hard listen and watch. And man kudos to him he stuck to his plan and did not let her send him off. And probably prepared for such forever. it's sickening to watch this and will be if she represents self BUT she's a lifer the pressure is off here and overall. She is not the big cheese now that it's known she is off the streets. She should have had the DP but that's water under the bridge. She needs to get justice for what she did to Charles too but again, the pressure at least for rme is off. Of COURSE Charles family feels differently I'm sure BUT guaranteed the are still relieved they both will never walk the streets again. This would have upset me worse before any conviction, with this one I can wait. And she's just no the big deal any longer. She's becoming as she should, irrelevant. Just as others have. They try to rear their heads from prison once in awhile, even SKs but they're just not the big cheese any longer that they hoped to be.

And for the families yes, she is still going to yank the chains and this trial matters too, and it does to me as well, but in the same breath, she is put away for life, Chad is on death row, and they need to become irrelevant to a point. She can be a circus side show but she wants that attention and I'm just not reacting to this in the way she probably hopes people will.

Ain't flying for me. I'm content to wait this one out. Not as easy for the families I'm sure. But she needs to be where her name is never mentioned again, history. The only thing that gets me is that all of the time it will take is she is in county jail rather than prison. We need a nickname for her so she is rarely if ever mentioned again. I have refused throughout to call her Lori Vallow as she married Dumbell and was riding his storm and she does not deserve the last name of Charles.

This does not even have the same attn as it did. And that's not that Charles doesn't deserve justice, it's that we know both are put away for life and beyond even. Each victim deserves their own justice I UNDERSTAND that totally but in the same breath, don't let her games and the b.s. get to you (meaning anyone, family, public, etc.) who I am sure it seems neverending for. who mu

But yes her representing herself would be nothing but a nightmare for the judge, the P and there'd be no D attys. She does have that right though. And the b.s. of it is they will probably have to handle with kid gloves or it will look as though they are coming down on someone who has no atty.

I'm probably all over the place and don't have the words but she is disgusting and she's definitely competent and always has been imo. She's a manipulative, pleasure seeking, money hungry, power hungry, attention seeking evil BIT*H who murders her own children, family, husbands, etc. whether by her hands or at the hands of someone else.

She's fading into irrelevancy for me though and I know the families can't be at that some point though, naturally, because they ALL deal with every single day the same b.s. and Charles' family still deserves justice as does he.

Notice how quiet it's become about Chad. Because it's OVER. He's become irrelevant and not of interest.

In the same breath, Lori DAYBELL needs to feel irrelevant but all is not over there yet but it IS as far as her seeing the light of day ever again.

It's her last hurrah. or attempt for one. I mean why can't she be happy that she has finally found that fame? Notorious fame forever after. You've done it Lolo, gotten the attn and oodles of it you've been seeking for a lifetime.

I hope I made SOME sense here. I hope AZ doesn't let this turn into a side show and enforces the rules. Hopefully there are some. I came down on Boyce a LOT but in the end I have some respect for him. I do think he lost the DP against Lori but what a load he was handed. They all worry so much about appeals these days and their decisions being overturned. And it's so much politics too.

Not really talking to you, I'd hope you know by now maybe started out doing so but now just talking generally and overall.

And I have to finish with something more shallow because if there is one woman I'd say all can say it about and do it to, it is her.. She is an aging irrelevant evil woman who always used her sex appeal (still don't see what most saw in that but whatever) to control and manipulate and imo sabotage other females who did not do her bidding or keep them down or play them. It's always been bad and never fitting for her age imo but her hair has never looked worse than at this hearing. She is never going to ride the Storm again and the only sex she is going to have is with female inmates or like Susan Smith, dumb guards who could attact to such but some don't care, they are just getting some right... Her entire ways in life and what has fueled her is over other than I'm sure she can manipulate maybe ba few in prison where she has not even got to yet but I think she may actually have met more than her match when she finally gets there...

She is a skinny aged trying to maintain a blonde look like she's some twenty years old whose dad paid for a boob job back when, who is going off to prison. She ain't that smart, never has been, neither her nor Chad were. She has no real powers, she's nothing special but has lived never having adulted and with advantages. She will be hated and prey imo. Easy prey in fact from those with real street and prison smarts.

And OH WELL.

I guess I was due for a long one. Taken me more than half the day to even adjust here and have nothing done and in fact laid down for a nap even though I got more sleep than normal.

I have yet to transition.

Canceled an appt. Second time now.

This is such b.s. BUT it needs to be shut down but legally so. I hate to say it but even if you have to let her at least for the moment represent hsrself. All in the system hate that but let her show her colors. Who is it going to win over? It won't me nor I think any of us. I don't think she will win anyone over. I see basically no supporters of hers out there at all, all are on the same page about her in this case imo. There are differences in thinking she's incompetent versus not. I do NOT. Never have.

And you know what, while I am all for cameras, let her do her circus side show and represent self but have no cameras. LOL. Record it for later but don't let her have the attn she is seeking.

I had better stop but it's really just manipulations.

Tammy, JJ, Tylee, Charles. Dead.

Attempt on Bramdon. Others free that shouldn't be imo or dead, The Mels, others, Z, Alex, more.

Possible others, Joe, Alex as far as suspicious deaths considering all the facts in the other cases...

People affected forever would be a far longer list.

Hope I didn't miss anyone but that's what it's about. She's becoming irrelevant to me. And she only ever was because they were not yet convicted or locked up for life.

Yeah this turned into a stupid long one.

I know and have watched all try to process. Annie. Colby. Cousins even. The faimiles. Kay. Larry. Rex and Adam. You name it. I't not that intrerested any longer but do get like Colby needing to. And of course Joe doesn't have justice (if she was part of it), nor Charles' family yet. Brandon either but I do have to say his getting like was it 12 million dollars is something rarely talked about but bothers me... If we want to talk a different thing or bit of a rabbit hole...

There is more here, there always has been. I doubt we will ever see it though.

And a cynical part of me is that is maybe the concern about Lori representing self and what she'd say that people might hear...?

I hate to say it but I saw no basis for them shutting down her right to represent self.. She HAS that right. I am certainly not on her side all know that, but it iIS a RIGHT.
 
I was thinking about how we don’t hear about Chad anymore and I’m thankful. What a creeper.

After watching that hearing, I don’t know that I could watch the trial if she represents herself. Her sneers and goffs and giggling inappropriately would be so annoying. Just a waste of money. Although I do agree with you, she has the right.
 
I was thinking about how we don’t hear about Chad anymore and I’m thankful. What a creeper.

After watching that hearing, I don’t know that I could watch the trial if she represents herself. Her sneers and goffs and giggling inappropriately would be so annoying. Just a waste of money. Although I do agree with you, she has the right.
Yeah, it's tough to say that isn't it. I think most know there is not one part of me that would defend this evil woman but it is a right and I could not understand it being refused for no real reason yet. God forbid do NOT let her game and play the system and show the system to be unfair. And imo that's what she is doing and will do. LET her represent herself until reason not to at least. Cross those Ts, dot those Is.

And I agree, I can't probably take watching her or listening to her. I said when Colby interviewed her I might have to go back and watch a couple of times, I think you said once was enough. I was not through it all then but through a fair portion and yeah, it's almost impossible to take. HOW he DID it, I have no idea. By the end I couldn't either but I did back up several times to make sure what I heard I heard while watching it.

I don't have the words to put it right but she's an evil POS who it does not matter who it is, they can be mudrered if not on her page, etc. or enabling her dreams and goals.

This "woman" knows exactly what she is doing.

But the words I don't have is as awful as she is and what she's done is, she needs to become somewhat irrelevant and she is becoming that to me. Just as Chad is hardly heard about now, she needs to be as well. I get the family of Charles and you name it need this trial too and justice, and I'm there for it, but there is some relief and satisfaction in that both are never going to see the liht of day again and that's assured now. Her little games do not need major attention, she is no one of importance. Of course I don't want to NOT hear it, but she needs to realize she's just becoming

S forever for your evil ways. But just not that interested any longer in her antics. If that makes sense? I am more interested in how the system handles such. Our system needs to WORK.

I don't agree with a lot of laws and rules.

But she has the darned right to represent herself and I don't see a basis at this point for denyiing it. Let her crash and burn.

I get that the various families may not be at the point she is irrelevant but I am. Or close to it. She is just someone else going away that did the most evil things whose name cna be forgotten while the victims should be talked of forever after and their lives, what they would be doing today, etc.

Yes, Chad has been largely out of the news and forgotten. She needs to end up there too.

Not sure if I made sense here, but know my point, just don't have the words.

And no, I probably could not watch a trial with her representing self for very long...

She is trying to stay important and relevant imo. How Colby got through that interview, her manipulations. lies and her desperate need imo to influence someone and take them to her side... Blaming Tylee. I can't even begin to fathom what living with or dealing with her was like...

But I'm also not excusing Chad. AT ALL. Look at his little minions and his ways and behavior.

I do though think even though there is another trial coming here, Lori needs to feel like she's not the bi cheese any longer even of the cases, criminals, spotlight. And at some point they need to become irrelevant and forgotten. Even their names.

A nickname will come. I've already been bent throughout on NEVER calling her Vallow. She had Charles murdeed and she married Chad right after his wife was murdered. She has NO RIGHT to use the name Vallow. Maybe she can legally but morally NO.

AS we all know they are Dumbbells... Evil ones.

There has never been much dissension on this case here. Maybe as to whether she is mentally ill or not, but that would be about it.

Yah, I kind of went on. A morning off. Some decent sleep.
 
Yeah, it's tough to say that isn't it. I think most know there is not one part of me that would defend this evil woman but it is a right and I could not understand it being refused for no real reason yet. God forbid do NOT let her game and play the system and show the system to be unfair. And imo that's what she is doing and will do. LET her represent herself until reason not to at least. Cross those Ts, dot those Is.

And I agree, I can't probably take watching her or listening to her. I said when Colby interviewed her I might have to go back and watch a couple of times, I think you said once was enough. I was not through it all then but through a fair portion and yeah, it's almost impossible to take. HOW he DID it, I have no idea. By the end I couldn't either but I did back up several times to make sure what I heard I heard while watching it.

I don't have the words to put it right but she's an evil POS who it does not matter who it is, they can be mudrered if not on her page, etc. or enabling her dreams and goals.

This "woman" knows exactly what she is doing.

But the words I don't have is as awful as she is and what she's done is, she needs to become somewhat irrelevant and she is becoming that to me. Just as Chad is hardly heard about now, she needs to be as well. I get the family of Charles and you name it need this trial too and justice, and I'm there for it, but there is some relief and satisfaction in that both are never going to see the liht of day again and that's assured now. Her little games do not need major attention, she is no one of importance. Of course I don't want to NOT hear it, but she needs to realize she's just becoming

S forever for your evil ways. But just not that interested any longer in her antics. If that makes sense? I am more interested in how the system handles such. Our system needs to WORK.

I don't agree with a lot of laws and rules.

But she has the darned right to represent herself and I don't see a basis at this point for denyiing it. Let her crash and burn.

I get that the various families may not be at the point she is irrelevant but I am. Or close to it. She is just someone else going away that did the most evil things whose name cna be forgotten while the victims should be talked of forever after and their lives, what they would be doing today, etc.

Yes, Chad has been largely out of the news and forgotten. She needs to end up there too.

Not sure if I made sense here, but know my point, just don't have the words.

And no, I probably could not watch a trial with her representing self for very long...

She is trying to stay important and relevant imo. How Colby got through that interview, her manipulations. lies and her desperate need imo to influence someone and take them to her side... Blaming Tylee. I can't even begin to fathom what living with or dealing with her was like...

But I'm also not excusing Chad. AT ALL. Look at his little minions and his ways and behavior.

I do though think even though there is another trial coming here, Lori needs to feel like she's not the bi cheese any longer even of the cases, criminals, spotlight. And at some point they need to become irrelevant and forgotten. Even their names.

A nickname will come. I've already been bent throughout on NEVER calling her Vallow. She had Charles murdeed and she married Chad right after his wife was murdered. She has NO RIGHT to use the name Vallow. Maybe she can legally but morally NO.

AS we all know they are Dumbbells... Evil ones.

There has never been much dissension on this case here. Maybe as to whether she is mentally ill or not, but that would be about it.

Yah, I kind of went on. A morning off. Some decent sleep.
I have actually already started calling her DB for Dumbell.
DB, CB and BG current nicknames for these serial killers.
 
I have actually already started calling her DB for Dumbell.
DB, CB and BG current nicknames for these serial killers.
CB has stuck. And I'm good with DB although that fits Chad as well...I even thought of such but also thought it fits both... So we can go from there I'd say.. She was a body builder and did not win that either but yeah, she probably lifted dumbbells lol.

I know RA is BG been so sure of that for a LONG time but for some reason want to name him too... Other than that...

DB works though. So who is he, Mr. DB? Re the storm and Elena?? Chad and lori? James and lolo? LOL.
 
Haven't see it yet. Just sharing. It's movie night I gather, first one, and a watch party. Sounds like it's going to be one about his mom they put out. Hearing that much as I head here to share the link.

If it's the Lifetime crap, I never have seen it and purposely did not. I wouldn't mind his opinion if it is on what's wrong with it, I'm not SURE it's that movie, may be something more recent. I may watch him on it at some point, but only for that reason. Apparently whatever it is was shut down because he couldn't FIND it. Whatever it is. Okay now while typing this, I have heard a few more minutes. I may come to it when time and watch it, we shall see. So long as I'm not giving a watch to a real hit to a link from whoever did it.

The main one I knew of early on was the Lifetime one so that's why I'm thinking it's that one and I REFUSED to watch it.

Right now I'm headed for Tom's. (Delphi). May come back to Colby in the next day, or more. Because I wouldn't mind hearing his take on what I heard was absolute b.s. and a movie I did not watch. He is talking actress, etc. so guessing it's the Lifetime one.

No IDEA. But since coming here to post I hear more, and he's already going on on how ridiculous it is with the way it started, now he is saying THAT is supposed to be TYLEE?

and the stupid thing and sing song thing they started it with. I know some saw the Lifetime one, does it sound like it?

Anyhow, won't know tonight. Will check it out later. I need to start Tom's.

Lauren Lee Smith as Lori? I think that's the one it likely is. It's the only "movie" I can think of in this case... Way before they knew enough sh*t either and played it from what I was told so not right as far as who led who, etc.

 
CB has stuck. And I'm good with DB although that fits Chad as well...I even thought of such but also thought it fits both... So we can go from there I'd say.. She was a body builder and did not win that either but yeah, she probably lifted dumbbells lol.

I know RA is BG been so sure of that for a LONG time but for some reason want to name him too... Other than that...

DB works though. So who is he, Mr. DB? Re the storm and Elena?? Chad and lori? James and lolo? LOL.
DB1 and DB2. Chad being DB2 as DB1 led him by his storm.

Yes that is the Lifetime film. I won't be watching it ever. I can understand Colby watching it though. How sad for him that must be, but it will help him to deal with the whole thing hopefully.

Here it is if anyone else wants to though.

 
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DB1 and DB2. Chad being DB2 as DB1 led him by his storm.

Yes that is the Lifetime film. I won't be watching it ever. I can understand Colby watching it though. How sad for him that must be, but it will help him to deal with the whole thing hopefully.

Here it is if anyone else wants to though.

That's a bit confusing to me because I think I'll think of Chad as DB1 because she couldn't become a DB until she married one that already existed lol.

I figured it was Lifetime. I do NOT want to see it but not sure I won't to watch his show, unsure yet. He was about throug the roof with the very start of it. Well not through the roof but definitel reacting. I generally start something to then come and share the link so as I typed here, I was hearing the first minutes of it. I then later go back and watch things when I get the time.

I recall well HEARING about the movie and how not true to things it was, etc. and decided I was never giving them a view.

Interestingly, Colby looked everywhere for it and could NOT find it. He ended up with what he calls a bootleg copy finally, says he may even get a slap from YT. Did someone manage to get it taken down, perhaps a family member? Did Lifetime get a ton of crap?

As of now I haven't watched it and perhaps won't. I'm really undecided. I guess I don't see what it would gain other than maybe hearing facts from Colby versus what's in it.

So you found it, I wonder why he could not. I don't think he has even mentioned it is Lifetime so perhaps he didn't know... No idea. You'd think viewers would have told him though so unsure.

If I watch it, it will be his. That gives them no view, etc. which I'm not giving them ever lol.

In fact, I quit watching Lifetime many years ago for a few reasons long before this.

I fell asleep during Tom's. I worked one day and then had today off but yesterday was a ten plus hour. Havent' had one of those in a long time. This week, I have Sunday and Thursday (Thanksgiving off) which entirely screws up my schedule. The heavy week will start Friday (Black) with six in a row. And more to come. Right now, it's nice to have another day right away but I will end up paying for it big time. I think I will put in for next year right now lol, if the book goes out that far. I tried to avoid this or any six day, etc. but too many asked first for various days, etc. I tried a bit to see if someone wanted some extra hours to get someone to take a day but each was scheduled heavier than normal too. I also realized just now I am going to have to do laundry on Thanksgiving Day. Isn't that just priceless. Otherwise I won't be able to for six days and will be out. I have a short window that day as it is, daughter is coming but honestly I should just get tthings done, however, I see her too rarely, or anyone, as it is. Work til close the night before and have to be back in the wee hours of 5:30 for Black Friday and a fully busy day. Have a late lunch planned with a coworker that day that I probably should not try to fit in because at least I am done early that day at 2 and it will be my only gap in six days BUT again, too rare I get to do anything like that.

I know I've probably said all this before and whined about it lol. Just going to be a rough month or so.

So DB is for Dumbbell right and not Daybell, or both. Been a few days so trying to remember. We can't do James, Elena or Storm as they picked those names. Although plenty of fun has been had with the names at their expense lol, not just here but everywhere. No MrDB and MrsDB perhaps? I know it's longer but it would let anyone knew figure it out easily, they'd just figure it was Mr. and Mrs. Daybell. But I'm okay with it too, it just seems to me he should be 1.

I feel asleep as think I've said during Tom, woke up and he was playing something from Gray Hughes. That's a new one to me that he does that but I don't know where it had went in the meantime. I mean it is coverage of the case or a final and he did do a lot on the trails and the case. The show was mostly into discussion from very early on and so I'm sure it went wherever viewers and questions took it. Then went to bed proper. I hadn't gotten far. Into maybe 1/2 of discussion. That wiped after working one ten plus hour day. Oh and then they kept us late, oh joy. All is prep for Black Friday, etc. Nothing can go out yet of course but straightening, moving things, etc. Wouldn't doubt all week will be like that. Well right now we are 26 days away if I count right from RA's sentencing. I SHOULD have that day off. Not that it will be scheduled yet. Tom says he isn't going if the same old line and sleeping at the courthouse and other things to even "try" to get in. Can't blame him. He hasn't ruled it out though for sure but doubtful. I don't suppose Gull will change coverage just for sentencing and the verdict, etc.? Probably not. And then many would just air it rather than going anyhow.

To come back to this one, Lori's playing the system right now imo. And it's not going to be going anywhere fast although I'm sure b.s. will keep coming.

Also with this one, I hope Colby takes a bit of time over the holidays, not that he's not, because they are just shows here and there, but she's got hearings and an eval which will be enough I'm sure, and he has a new baby boy. I'm sure plenty of time is spent there but I just mean forget mom as it will be hard enough with the losses, he's already said as much in another video, holidays always are right... Memories etc. of other times.

i get he has never looked at most of these things and now he is, and a bit more ready for it than he was, but I also think there can be taking in too much. Not that I'm once to give advice on such Lord knows.

He's so young yet, at least to most of us older ones. Learned a lot, and the hardest way of course. Stronger than his mom by far, in the right ways. More of an adult than her. It's early years but he will find a new normal with his own family as they grow up.

Looking forward myself to seeing mine in a couple of weeks although again I will pay for the extra day off but looking forward to and hoping to see almost all. Then I come back to work the rest ot Christmas season. All thoughts of being prepared, shopping, doing some cooking to bring, etc. are about out the window as I realize I'll have no time beforehand but still just looking forward to. Hopefully no weather ruins it which happened a couple of years ago if I recall. We ended up doing one well after the fact in February.

A bit all over but it's my catch up post I guess. I wonder if CB will get butter for Christmas. Not the first year KA etc. will be without RA but first year they know the result of the trial. I guess thoughts of the holidays have me thinking of such. For A & L's famlies, well they've already said they will speak not so much neceessarily after the sentencing on the 20th where maybe they will a bit hard to say, but will be after the holidays. Understandably so. New grandchildren, another change, another year without, a "victory" in a way as to his guilt, but it's not that when it brings no one back right...? And what another year they've had. I hope they really just get family together which I think is their plan, and enjoy what they can and some of the relief it has brought.

Okay. ENOUGH from me.

Upcoming holidays, the families in these cases, just I guess thinking on some of it.

Lost a friend this week might be adding to it. Stirred a lot of old memories. Not going to get home for the funeral clearly with my schedule and life. Don't know if I will get time but maybe will try to contact a mutual friend when home. She was about my age. Not sure yet what happened. Maybe she'd been sick, no idea. So out of touch with all and it bites, and is not what I want.

Again, enough from me. Morning, no coffee yet.

Wandering.

Trying to shake things off I guess.

I'm having something called burria tacos for Thanksgiving. I had to ask what they were. I probably wont' even be making a pumpkin pie. I may have the pumpkin but probably nothing else... All while doing laundry I suppose IF the damned machines work. Yeah clearly I am just going on. And on.

all can scroll and roll.

All though makes me think of these cases and the families. And back to Colby, he clearly can do it, but hope for his sake he takes a bit of a break for it. Maybe shares some family stuff, I mean his, rather than about Lori, until after the holidays. Keeps his channel going of course but doesn't take on a whole lot more of this right now until after. Again not one who needs to give advice and cases, etc. generally seem to go quiet over the holidays as well as channels as all are doing other things. I hate that when I want something to watch but I sure do understand it.

I hope he does something like decorates the tree with his wife and girls, puts the first ornament up for his son, and doe some things like that. And he maybe is. Or will be. He's just saturated with a bit of this lately including interviewing his mom which I don't think ANYONE else could have gotten. Now the LIfetime movie which from all I ever heard was total falsities and junk and he should debunk it but it's been out awhile and it can come in time.

And again here I go on. And on.

Well, the holidays are upon us and that's part of it. Thinking of all with losses and more... My family has found a new normal but it took years. Upon years. And it's still there but isn't the overriding factor any longer. Just hoping he finds that, etc. one day.

Man, maybe I need to go back to bed.

Or it's time for a break from the stuff. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
I watched about half of Colby‘s Vlog about that movie. Seeing clips of the movie turned me off completely. No wonder he was disgusted! Talk about cheesy.
 

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