JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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I was searching to see if I could find when Mel B/P left Az and I came across this interview with LE that she did the day after Brandon was shot at. It is over an hour long but she has her young kids with her at the interview !!! I have watched up to 34 minutes and it is over an hour long. Has anyone seen this before?


Okay I went seven or so minutes in and should watch all later and I don't recall this especially with a child present. The child verbalizes well so I cannot believe they are talking this stuff in front of the child. They understand a lot more than some think at that age. Even in the short time I watched, such a story, true or not, most likely not but who knows, so similar to Lori's about Charles. Right off not sure if divorced or not, agreement reached, waiting for order to go through, just to approve I'd guess and so this attempt was to get assets BEFORE divorce finalized imo. She of course would be a natural suspect due to all that and timing.

Why she has not been charged I can't quite fathom but of course they need enough or may be waiting and waiting for what comes from all trials as well.

I think it should also be noted the same lawyer these days represents Mel P, Ian and Z. I have little doubt he negotiated probably a lot of terms re their testimony and possibly immunity.
 
This is Gilbert LE interviewing her. I got as far as about a third of the way thru and she appears to be implicating Alex at the point I had to stop. Will try and watch/listen to the rest when I can.
I know it's GIlbert. Like I said there was a lot of Gilbert stuff dropped a few years back for the viewing pleasure of the public which took weeks to watch and go through but I don't recall this one of hers. Most of what I recall wasn't Brandon related but far more about Lori and Chad and the kids and the whole thing and Charles and Brandon, not just about Brandon's shooting. So those were likely later when they went to finally do a REAL investigation after the kids went missing or some such. All the other dump I mean. It was Gilbert with Charles as well was it not? who arrested no one and just let it all go.
 
I know it's GIlbert. Like I said there was a lot of Gilbert stuff dropped a few years back for the viewing pleasure of the public which took weeks to watch and go through but I don't recall this one of hers. Most of what I recall wasn't Brandon related but far more about Lori and Chad and the kids and the whole thing and Charles and Brandon, not just about Brandon's shooting. So those were likely later when they went to finally do a REAL investigation after the kids went missing or some such. All the other dump I mean. It was Gilbert with Charles as well was it not? who arrested no one and just let it all go.
I am trying to work out when she left Az for Id, so this shows she is still in Az on the 3rd Oct when she was interviewed by Gilbert PD about Brandon and she is still taking her older kids to school and picking them up etc.
 
Wednesday 8th - update.

LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL​

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Please excuse the typos. These are live updates from the courtroom.

WARNING: GRAPHIC DETAILS ARE CONTAINED IN THIS STORY

3:11 p.m.
Wood requests a brief sidebar. We will dismiss for the day. Join me tonight at 6:30 MT for ‘Courtroom Insider.’

3:08 p.m. Werther is released from his subpoena. Boyce reads a limiting instruction to the jury about the Arizona case involving Charles’ and tells the jury shouldn’t consider it when deliberating.

3:06 p.m. Prior has no further questions. Blake has some questions on re-direct. She follows up on Prior suggesting some of the call may not have gone through due to poor reception. Werther says the calls, with their duration, and texts with Chad and Lori’s devices were noted on his presentation. Blake has nothing further.

3:05 p.m. Prior asks about the Burger King video. He says there appeared to be three people in the vehicle. Werther says it’s possible and indeed likely that three people were inside the car.

3:03 p.m. Prior points out that Chad was in Utah the day of these texts and calls. Prior says because of that, there’s a possibility Werther’s data is not accurate. Prior suggests phone reception could be poor because Chad was in Springville.

3:02 p.m. Prior asks Werther if he is aware Chad and Lori were engaged in an affair. Werther says that’s what he has been told. Prior asks if cell tower coverage is the least effective way to obtain data from a cell phone. Werther says he’s not sure it’s the least effective but it’s not as accurate as GPS data.

3:01 p.m. Prior asks about the history of the phone correspondence between Chad and Lori’s devices. Werther says he did not look at the history – just focused on that day. Prior asks Werther if he reviewed the call Chad made to the funeral home. Werther has not.

3 p.m. Exhibit is over. Blake has nothing further. Prior will now cross examine.

2:58 p.m. Werther continues to detail the text and call activity for the rest of the day. Several messages between Chad and Lori’s devices.

2:56 p.m. Chad Daybell’s device called the Valley of the Sun Mortuary at 7:34 p.m. that evening. The call lasted 7 minutes 14 seconds. It was the only call from his device that day to someone who was not to Lori Vallow.

2:53 p.m. At 4:02 p.m., there is a call from Alex’s device to Lori’s device. More texts and calls between Lori’s device and Chad’s device.

2:52 p.m. Detectives ended up taking possession of Charles’ device. It remains with Chandler Police Property and Evidence.

2:49 p.m. Werther lays out several slides showing Alex Cox’s device called Det. Ynclan’s desk. Melani B.’s device called Lori’s device and there is other communication between Charles’ device, Lori’s device and Alex’s device.

2:48 p.m. At 2:24 p.m., Chad’s device texted Lori’s device. The contents of the texts were not preserved. Lori’s device then texted Chad’s device back.

2:46 p.m. Lori called Det. Ynclan’s desk that afternoon. Ynclan interviewed Lori. Lori’s device missed a call from Colby Ryan and called the Valley of the Sun Mortuary. The call lasted 9 minutes 39 seconds. There was ongoing text communication between Lori and Chad’s devices.

2:44 p.m. Werther shows texts going back and forth between Chad and Lori’s devices. Melani B. called Lori Vallow in a call that lasted over five minutes.

2:41 p.m. The slide shows the mapping of a voice call from Lori’s phone to Chad’s phone. It was 1 minute 45 seconds. The next slide shows Alex Cox’s device was in the same area as Charles Vallow’s device at 12:57-12:59 p.m. Chad’s device texted Lori’s device at 1:11 p.m. Charles’s device went to Alex’s home at 1:26 p.m.

2:39 p.m. Det. Werther is back on the stand and Blake will continue her examination. She pulls up the presentation and Boyce says, “fingers crossed.” Werther’s statement about being “less than ideal” was in reference to the tech issues.

2:16 p.m. Mid-afternoon recess right now. Back in 20 minutes.

2:13 p.m. Martinez does not do anything with DNA. Prior asks if Martinez was asked by law enforcement to compare prints to anybody else other than Alex, Chad and Lori. She says no. Prior has nothing further, state has no re-direct. Martinez is dismissed from her subpoena.

2:12 p.m. Martinez looks at her notes and believes around 50 different adhesive notes were used to collect the hairs from the plastic at the scene. Some of the hairs were found right away; others were seen after multiple processes.

2:07 p.m. Prior asks Martinez if plastic is a good conduit for fingerprints. She says yes – it’s a very good surface for latent prints because it’s nonporous. She was able to find Alex’s fingerprint and part of his handprint. Prior asks how many hairs Martinez collected. She doesn’t recall how many, but they are in her notes. Boyce allows her to look at her notes as a memory refresher.

2:06 p.m. No other fingerprints were able to be identified on the items she collected. She gathered the hairs and saved them for another person, as she doesn’t do hair analysis. Wood has no further questions.

2:04 p.m. The next print appears to be a palm, according to Martinez. We now see a close-up and analysis chart of the latent print. This print from the black plastic bag matched Alex Cox’s print.



2:03 p.m. The print matched Alex Cox – his right little finger. This was on the black plastic where JJ’s body was found.

2:01 p.m. The next image shows a photo she developed when she collected the print. The following image is an enhanced version of the last print. We now see an analysis of the latent print. The next image is comparison to Alex Cox’s fingerprint.

1:59 p.m. Wood admits a PowerPoint put together by Martinez. The first slide shows the black colored plastic that she processed for prints. A yellow indicator shows where the latent print was on the item. The next image shows where the print was located on the item.

1:55 p.m. Martinez was able to collect some hairs from the items she collected. Wood asks Wood about item 11 – black colored plastic and gray duct tape. There are multiple pieces so she labeled them separate. 11.1-11.11 is the tape, 11.12-11.15 is the plastic pieces.

1:53 p.m. Martinez checked a white draw string bag with duct tape. She was not able to collect any prints from the bag. She then a collection of a bunch of duct tape. She was able to develop prints. She tested another piece of duct tape from JJ’s mouth and was not able to get any prints. She wasn’t able to process prints from other pieces of tape or the green bucket.

1:52 p.m. Martinez collected two samples from Alex Cox: one was a fingerprint card of all 10 figures from a federal database. She also got a card from the Gilbert Police Department. Gilbert had his prints from Alex’s autopsy.

1:50 p.m. Martinez says there is a database of known prints where she pull cards and compare against the prints she has collected. Wood asks if she is familiar with the Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell case. She is. Martinez’s first contact with the case was taking prints at the coroner’s office. She took prints from JJ. She processed different items submitted in the case and took known prints of Lori and Chad.

1:48 p.m. If Martinez sees any prints during her processing, she preserves them. She follows ACE-V when it comes to prints – Analysis, Comparison, Evaluation, Verification. During the verification phase, another analyst does the process over again.

1:45 p.m. Wood is questioning Martinez. He asks how she would collect a latent print if it’s left behind. If the print was on plastic, she would first do a visual examination. She looks for hair, other factors. She then uses different colors of light to see if there are prints. Next she uses superglue fuming – “similar to what you see on CSI.” The super glue attaches to any moisture on the items. The glue makes the prints more visible. Next step would be using dye stain followed by powder.

1:44 p.m. Martinez process latent prints – prints that are left unintentionally. They normally are not easy to see and have to be processed. She uses different processes to analyze prints. Latent prints are not always left everywhere.

1:42 p.m. Martinez processes items of evidence to compare fingerprints and she responds to crime scenes. She has worked for the state lab for eight years.

1:41 p.m. Tara Martinez is the next witness. She is an Idaho State Police forensic scientist.

1:40 p.m. The state is requesting that Werther leave the stand while the technical difficulties are figured out. Another witness will now be called to the stand.

1:37 p.m. There are technical difficulties with the exhibit. Blake asks to approach.

1:33 p.m. The computer is working again. Werther begins to talk. Looks like the computer might not be working again.


1:24 p.m. The computer appears to have frozen. Werther says, “That’s less than ideal.” Blake is going to restart the computer.

1:23 p.m. We now see a map showing that Chad’s device was in the Salt Lake City at 12:39 p.m. that day. He texted Lori’s device but the contents are not available.

1:20 p.m. Charles’ device received an incoming call from Melani Boudreaux at 10:25 a.m. The phone was at the police station where Lori was being questioned. Alex missed a call from Summer Shiflet, Lori and Alex’s sister, while he was at the police station.

1:18 p.m. Charles’ device arrived back in the Four Peaks area around 8:49 a.m. – around the time Lori returned to the house. We see an image from police body camera footage showing Tylee and Lori in the flip flops that were just purchased at Walgreens.

1:16 p.m. Lori leaves Walgreens at 8:20 a.m. The next slide shows Lauren’s Life Academy – the school JJ attended. The device was at the school at 8:32 a.m. The call from Alex Cox’s device was made about 63 minutes after Charles’ device first arrived in the Four Peaks area.

1:14 p.m. Werther talks about Lori stopped at a drug store to buy flip flops. Charles’ device arrived at 8:08 a.m. and wasn’t there very long. At 8:16 a.m., the device was at Walgreens. Werther reminds the jury a 911 call has not yet been made to report that Charles has been shot. We now see surveillance video of Lori walking into Walgreens and buying two pairs of sandals. She pays cash.

1:12 p.m. We now see a different outside angle of the vehicle leaving Burger King. The claim Lori had Charles’ phone is supported the GPS tracking evidence.

1:09 a.m. Werther went to Burger King and compared time stamps versus the cell phone data. We see a red Kia Sorento in the drive-thru at Burger King that Lori was driving. Lori was at Burger King at 7:54 a.m.

1:07 p.m. At around 7:55 a.m., Charles’ device was at Burger King. You can watch surveillance video of Lori visiting the fast food restaurant here:


1:05 p.m. Werther discusses a slide on the screen that shows where a device was at the time an event happened. At 7:52 a.m., there was a voice call between Lori and Alex’s phones. After the shooting, Alex and Lori communicated via phone and this was one of a few calls the two had. This was before the 911 call.

1:03 p.m. Jurors are in their seats. Blake will continue questioning Werther.

1:01 p.m. We are back. Larry and Kay Woodcock are in the courtroom this afternoon. So is Vicki Hoban, Tammy Daybell’s aunt. Rex Conner, Lori Vallow’s uncle, is also here with his daughter.

12 noon Lunch break. Be back in an hour.

11:58 a.m. At 7:33 a.m., Charles’s device texted Lori’s device. Werther does not have the contents of the messages. Until 7:50 a.m., the data from Charles’s device was around the Four Peaks home. It was then in transit for about 46 minutes prior to when the 911 call occurred. Lori had Charles’ phone and police recovered it from her.

11:56 a.m. We now see a slide showing that Lori’s device texted Chad’s device at 6:12 a.m. At 7:01 a.m., Chad’s device texted the Lori device. At 7:16 a.m., Charles Vallow’s device was traveling from the Hilton to the area of the Four Peaks home. He arrives at 7:32 a.m.

11:54 a.m. Lori went to Burger King, stopped at Walgreens and took JJ to school the morning Charles was shot. Charles was staying at a tru Hilton hotel the night before the shooting.

11:51 a.m. A new screen shows the distance from the home where Charles was shot to the Burger King where Lori stopped for breakfast. It’s 1.69 miles away. There is also a measurement to JJ’s school – 7.2 miles. The 911 was received at 8:36 a.m.

11:48 a.m. Werther put the data into a program that would lay the locations of the cell phone activity on a Google map. Blake now shows a map animation Werther created that shows the general areas that were involved in the analysis – Phoenix and Chandler.

11:47 a.m. Werther sought instances where the location data could be corroborated, invalidated or rendered questionable. This was to evaluate the reliability of the data.

11:43 a.m. The next slides will show us the analysis of the cell phone records. The first slide is a synopsis of the event the morning Charles was killed. Another slide shows claims made the morning of the shooting that could be testable with cell phone and GPS data.

11:41 a.m. Werther used different colors on his presentation to indicate which device was being used or in communication.

11:39 a.m. Werther also looked at locations extracted from Charles’ phone. That data can be produced onto a spreadsheet.

11:35 a.m. The first phone number was a T-Mobile phone used by Lori Vallow. No logs of text messages were received from the phone company on this line. The next slide if a Verizon phone attributed to Alex Cox. The next slide shows an AT&T number attributed to Chad Daybell. The phone attributed to Chad had communication to Lori on July 11.

11:34 a.m. The first slide shows the Chandler Police Department summary report of a shooting. The report said “shot brother in law.” The call was 8:36 a.m. on July 11, 2019.

11:33 a.m. The exhibit has around 120 slides and embedded media, Blake says. The first slide shows the four phone numbers associated to Charles.

11:31 a.m. Werther analyzed phone records from four devices. He has prepared an exhibit showing his findings. Blake moves to admit the exhibit.


11:28 a.m. Werther says the call detail records will usually indicate the cell tower and sector of the tower used during the call or text. The name of the program Werther used was previously called ZetX but it’s now called TraX.

11:25 a.m. Werther looked at cell phone records belonging to Charles Vallow. He inspected records from T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T. Each provider has their way of keeping records. Werther analyzed GPS location data extracted from Charles’ phone. Werther used a data analysis tool to analyze the records.

11:24 a.m. Werther was working the day Charles Vallow was shot. Werther wasn’t on the robbery/homicide team at that point – he joined a few months later – but he was invited to go out on the call as a training opportunity. Much of time at the scene was observing but not handling a specific responsibility.

11:21 a.m. Werther explains his training including his experience in working with cell phone evidence. Blake asks what a call detail record is. Werther says they are records kept by your cell phone company – voice calls, how long, incoming or outgoing text messages, etc. Law enforcement obtains cell phone records through a warrant.

11:19 a.m. Lindsey Blake is questioning Werther. He is assigned to the robbery/homicide unit.

11:14 a.m. Back in the courtroom. Jurors are in their seat. Boyce says courthouse renovations are taking place tomorrow so the court will dismiss at 2 p.m. Next witness is Chandler Police Detective Ariel Werther.

10:53 a.m. Boyce says there is an exhibit with the next witness that is an electronic format and it needs to be reviewed. We are taking a break and will be back when it’s ready.

10:45 a.m. Defense and state call for a sidebar before the next witness.

10:44 a.m. Wood follows up by asking about bruises. He asks if bruising could be considered a form of trauma. Warren says yes. Wood asks if given the condition of JJ Vallow, Warren would be surprised to bruising on JJ’s body. Warren says in a case like this, bruising would be significant.

10:42 a.m. Prior asks if the remains were significantly smaller than had Tylee been alive at the time. Warren says that’s a question for the forensic anthropologist. Warren says it’s very common in a fire-related death. When the organs are charred, they shrink and lose weight. Prior has no further questions.

10:40 a.m. The autopsies were done on June 11, 2020. Prior asks about the term “heavy lungs.” Warren says this is used when there is pulmonary edema. This happens when there is a lot of fluid in the lungs. Prior continues to question and Wood objects saying this is beyond the scope. Boyce sustains the objection.

10:38 a.m. Prior asks Warren how tall Tylee was. He says he was not able to get her height based on the remains. Warren doesn’t remember how tall she was based on Tylee’s medical records. Prior asks Warren if he can determine whether there were animal or human remains in the fire pit. He says he isn’t a forensic anthropologist so he can’t answer that.

10:36 a.m. Prior asks Warren if he can determine when bruises were caused on a body. Warren says he can get a rough idea based on the hemorrhaging.

10:34 a.m. Defense attorney John Prior will now conduct cross examination. He asks Warren if he noted there were K9 bites on any of Tylee’s remains. Warren says he did not notice any but left that up to the anthropologist.

10:30 a.m. Wood has no further questions. Boyce has some questions on exhibit numbering. He and Wood are making sure the exhibit letters match the actual exhibits that were shown to the jury. The prosecution did not show all the autopsy photos.

10:27 a.m. To have a homicide by unspecified means, the death has to be very suspicious, Warren says. Another factor would be the evidence was concealed. Another factor would be the autopsy not showing an obvious cause or better explanation for cause of death. Another factor is there isn’t enough of the body there to do a full examination.

10:25 a.m. After the autopsy, Warren and his lab collected and cleaned the remains. All the bones were sent to the FBI for a detailed forensic anthropology report. Wood asks if the report contributed to Warren’s decision on Tylee’s cause of death. Warren says he took everything into account. Warren says the FBI noted there were sharp, force markings on the sacrum and the left and right pelvic bones. Tylee’s cause of death was homicide by unspecific means.

10:24 a.m. The fourth bag consisted of multiple small charred crumbly bone. The fifth bag contained soft tissue and charred crumbly bone.

10:22 a.m. A third paper bag was labeled “remains of suspected female.” There were five additional bags in one large paper bag. Inside each of the small bags was fragments of charred bone. One bag was labeled, “Fire pit – B – 06/09/2020.” Inside the bag was small, crumbly, charred bone.

10:20 a.m. Skull bones, portions of ribs, the clavicles, multiple long bones and foot bones were in one of the bags. They were crumbling, blackened and not in tact.

10:19 a.m. The next photo shows sections of the heart and lungs that have been laid out. Warren describes one kidney that is blackened and some of it is burned away.

10:17 a.m. The next photo shows Tylee’s heart and lungs. Warren says this isn’t what heart and lungs typically look like. They are charred and significantly shrunken. Wood points out the lungs and heart on the image for Warren to identify. “They were very small. Best estimate is they were probably a quarter of the size that they typically are,” Warren says.

10:15 a.m. Two additional bags in the body bag contained. Warren explains a photo showing the largest portion of Tylee’s skull. He describes parts of the skull that are charred. There are teeth that have been charred. Tylee was identified through dental records – comparing her teeth to previous x-rays when she was alive.

10:12 a.m. The next photos show the second black body bag, how it was labeled, and what was inside. One thing that stood out to Warren is there was a green plastic material. After it was pulled out and cleaned, they determined it was a melted green bucket. The rest of the content contains human remains, soft tissue and organs.

10:10 a.m. Warren describes the next photo. It has dirt, mud and rocks that are left after all the bone and body parts were collected. Warren says there multiple charred bones and debris in another bag.

10:08 a.m. Warren explains three distinct large pieces of bone – right pelvis with attached portion of the right femur, one is the left pelvis attached to left femur and the sacrum – a bone at the end of your lower back that is part of your pelvis.

10:05 a.m. Warren describes the body bags that contained Tylee’s remains. They were sealed with body locks. Warren opened the black body bag. Two additional brown paper bags were inside. One was not labeled, the other was labeled with “burial site?” Within the same body bag, there were two paper bags containing multiple collections of soft tissue, bone and debris.

10:04 a.m. Back in the courtroom. Wood publishes the photos. Again – we don’t see them in the gallery or the livestream but the jury will see them. Victims are allowed to see the photos if they wish and arrangements can be made for them to be viewed.

9:31 a.m. Boyce says we are taking a break. Back in 15-20 minutes.

9:30 a.m. Wood moves to admit another set of photographs that were taken during Tylee’s autopsy.

9:27 a.m. Warren reminds the jury that cause of death was asphyxia by plastic bag over the head and duct tape covering the mouth.

9:26 a.m. Warren says the abrasions could have been from someone putting the bag over JJ’s head or JJ trying to get the bag off his head. “I wasn’t there, I don’t know, but these are possibilities,” he explains.

9:25 a.m. The next picture shows JJ’s left ear. There were scratch-like abrasions. There were also scratch-like abrasions on JJ’s neck and jaw, Warren says.

9:22 a.m. A photo is shown of JJ’s thumb. There was hemorrhage, and Warren says there would have had to be some sort of impact to cause it. The next photo shows JJ’s ankles, and Warren did some testing on areas that looked like they might have bruising. He did some testing on the spots and determined there were not bruises.

9:20 a.m. Warren describes the next photo of JJ. He is face down, and it shows an area of concern for bruising on his left upper arm. Warren made an incision in that area of the arm to inspect if there was true bruising. He determined it was.

9:17 a.m. Warren was looking for any sign of trauma that would have helped explain how JJ died. There was bruising on his right upper arm. Warren took sections of the areas and looked at them under the microscope. There was hemorrhage in the body tissue – meaning it was true bruising.

9:16 a.m. Chad Daybell sits stoned-faced and shakes his head “no” as some of these photographs are displayed. He can see them on the monitor at his table.

9:14 a.m. Warren continues to describe photos of JJ’s body. His skin is green/tan brown, and there is skin slippage. A photo is shown of JJ’s back and neck that shows decomposition changes.

9:12 a.m. The next photo shows JJ’s face after all tape and everything has been removed. Another juror on the front row is crying and has her head down. She reaches for a tissue and is holding it over her face.

9:11 a.m. The next image shows the disposable diaper JJ was wearing.

9:09 a.m. Warren describes more photos showing duct tape around JJ’s wrists, body decomposition, etc. Another juror – a woman on the back row – is wiping her eyes and is visibility upset. She is biting her lips and appears to be fighting back tears.

9:07 a.m. A single cut was made along the tape on the wrists. Warren and his team found additional duct tape around JJ’s wrists. One juror – a young woman – appears to be crying. She is wiping her nose and eyes with a tissue.

9:05 a.m. The next photo shows the strip of duct tape that was covering JJ’s mouth. Another photo shows the tape after it was removed from JJ’s mouth. Warren says all of the duct tape was sealed and submitted to law enforcement. The next photo shows JJ’s forearms, wrists and hands bound with multiple layers of duct tape.

9:04 a.m. Another photo is shown of the ankles bound with duct tape. Warren says one single cut was made along the side of the face to remove the duct tape. A portion of JJ’s face is shown in this photo. A strip of duct tape covers his mouth from jawline to jawline.

9:02 a.m. The next photo shows the hands duct taped together. Pictures are taken at multiple angles to make sure everything is captured, Warren says. He describes the following photo that shows the pajama pants that are soaked in decomposition fluid with white moldy substance near the right knee.

9:01 a.m. The next photo is a closeup of the lower half of the body. JJ’s ankles are bound with duct tape. He has on black socks. The following photo shows the blanket and pajama top. Warren says the pajama top is soaked with decomposition fluid and there is mold on the shirt. There is a lot of dirt and debris on the duct tape around his face.

9 a.m. Several jurors look at the screens in front of them. I notice one juror glances at the screen in front of him quickly and then looks up. He is not spending a lot of time looking at the photos.

8:58 a.m. The next photo shows JJ enclosed in the black body bar. He was wrapped in a black tarp with multiple strips of duct tape. The next image shows what it looks like after they opened the black tarp. “This was the first time I actually saw JJ’s body,” Warren says. “Near the top of the head you can see a white plastic bag that is covering his head and then his face is wrapped with duct tape all the way from his eyes to the neck. You can also see his forearms, wrists and hands are bound with duct tape.” A blue and white blanket was resting on JJ and he was wearing a red pajama top and bottom. “The only part of the skin is the upper arms. They show evidence of decomposition in the form of a green/tan leathery appearance with skin slippage.”

8:56 a.m. Warren describes the first photo. It shows how JJ was received at the coroner’s office. He is in a body bag and there is a red seal indicating the case number. The next picture is a close-up photo of the seal/body lock – number 506559 – after it has been cut and removed.

8:54 a.m. The photos are being shown to the jurors, Daybell and prosecution. We will not see them on the livestream or in the gallery of the courtroom.

8:53 a.m. Wood moves to admit photos taken during JJ’s autopsy.

8:50 a.m. Larry and Kay Woodcock are not in the courtroom today.

8:49 a.m. Warren sent a sample of the skeletal muscle for toxicology testing. The test came back positive for ibuprofen, caffeine, low levels of carbon monoxide. There was nothing in her toxicology report that Warren felt could explain her death.

8:47 a.m. All of the tissues were charred and shriveled. Warren says there were pieces of her skull and skull fragments. Foot bones, the sternum, hip bones and other bones were also identified. They were all blackened and had been burned.

8:46 a.m. It took about a week to separate all the debris and mud. Warren’s teams were able to find several bones, organs and soft tissues. Warren identified the heart, the right and left lung, a portion of the liver, one of the kidneys, small fragments of brain tissue and a few small segments of bowel.

8:44 a.m. Warren takes the stand. Wood is questioning him from the lectern. He begins by asking about Tylee Ryan’s remains. Warren says he received her remains in multiple bags. Two were black body bags that were sealed. There was also a brown paper bag with multiple bags inside. All of the bags were x-rayed – 28 x-rays in total. They were looking for projectiles, weapon fragments. They saw multiple bones and a fair amount of debris – mud, dirt, rocks.

8:41 a.m. Chad Daybell is at his table wearing a blue dress shirt and tie. He’s seated next to John Prior. Fremont Co. Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake, Dep. Prosecutor Rocky Wixom, Madison Co. Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood and Special Prosecutor Ingrid Batey at the other table. Judge Steven Boyce is on the bench.

8:20 a.m. We are back in the courtroom and it’s day 19 of Chad Daybell’s murder trial. Dr. Garth Warren, the forensic pathologist who did the autopsies on JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan, will be back on stand this morning. You can get caught up on what he said yesterday here.
Well I did not think I'd catch up or be able to do the Tweets but I did. Just as hard as watching a significant portion was as to the kids' bodies.

Melanie PB called CHARLES device at what time while Lori was at the PD?? All the phone activity INCLUDING to Charles phone is strange as he77. And Summer tried to reach Alex. Also Chad's mortuary call... Lots of activity from Chad to Lori. I think he may be charged eventually in Charles' death as to conspiracy but maybe they will feel no need to...I forgot Charles was Chandler PD and not Gilbert. Man it is hard to keep it all straight even though I KNEW that.

So Alex's prints are on the outer plastic, not the plastic bag over head nor the duct tape it sounds like. And as to hair she said 50 tapes or whatever they were to collect hair were used. That's a lot...

A long read, a lot in there. had many thoughts, didn't recall all thoughts by end of read but these are some. I'm as caught up as I am likely to get. So mostly on top of it I guess. And borderline headache from it all stuffed in before work and yesterday too watching and reading more to catch up than I could almost take. Between needed phone calls and life stuff, it was no true day off by a long shot. They never are though. :( Messed up schedule this week. Off yesterday finally, back to work today and then off tomorrow, all split up. The back on for five long grueling OT ones.

Chad is history imo. And will likely get the DP short of some softy. I wonder if any of this is surprising Prior....

The Tweets don't show this. I watched this last night and if anyone wants a good view of Chad it is these recordings and others. Mr. Silent not so silent in his blessings and tons of other things...

It's not short but it is well worth it imo. I had no time and considered it time NOT wasted.

 
Probably won't get to watch it myself til later or never but here is last night's from Nate for everyone else who maybe saw none and just want a recap. Always good, with highlights.

 
I am trying to work out when she left Az for Id, so this shows she is still in Az on the 3rd Oct when she was interviewed by Gilbert PD about Brandon and she is still taking her older kids to school and picking them up etc.
Well it is seeming like she fled around this time or over this time. I watched only a number of minutes that interview you posted and she went on in those first minutes about Brandon blowing up her phone which I took to mean after his attempted shooting... When asked how their relationship was... She didn't say that at that point and I haven't watched all but that's my guess. We known at some point she left WITHOUT kid to Rexburg and not sure/can't recall that Brandon didn't get some emergency court order after he was shot at for all we know. Maybe not but it is clear all this sh*t was going on around the same time. Maybe she just filed AND abandoned kids but then they had that other incident when she and Alex went at night...

The only thing I truly wondered about was Lori using her home with Z for casting on Tammy on her shooting day. Mel may well have been in moving process still. The amount of times some of them moved is absolutely ridiculous. Particularly Lori. I'm guessing the home was vacant but Lori made use of it. Unclear if Mel P was there but as to the casting Z said it was her and Lori and Lori called her over.

I"m a bit on overload with it at the moment. I stuffed in way too much yesteday and intended not to this morning but did, a lot more than I intended but am as caught up as anyone I'd guess or mostly as I watched a fair bit of testimony yesterday as well. Both morning and afternoon. Not all but a fair amount and stuffed in two of Nate's, one of his and one of ID News. And I forget what else lol. Man he, and Linda, and anyone doing all that deserve a huge vacation when this trial ends. The coverage by both is outstanding. I'm worn out just trying to read and watch what they worked and edited and you name it to put together and in Nate's case to attend every day on top of it. Kudos to them.
 
Okay I never learn. I have Nate's on from last night. Well worth it but of course I have to hear the thing about the kids bodies for probably a third or fourth time and regretted that immediately. However, he covers different juror's reactions and such. as I ask myself how can I HEAR this again, it is so horrible. I watched too much of it yesterday, read the Tweets here and so again all detail and now again, etc. However, Nate's recaps are always good and this one is and we are beyond the bodies now thank goodness.

I don't know why I and not just me, see it in others too, are so shocked as we knew much of this already but I think just hearing that these weren't only murders but were torture, attack, heinous evil dismemberment even, who knows with Tylee, JJ alive when taped and bagged, I think we are all just again shocked beyond belief at it all and over again or maybe we forget or go to some immune place after first hearing it and think of these two as even partially human (Chad and Lori). They are special all right and extraterrestrial or whatever BEINGS, the hands of the devil is what they are.

PURE EVIL. Not insane. JUST EVIL.
 
Okay I recall the Burger King video from back when but not Walgreen's nor did I realize they likely did not have shoes (Lori or Tylee) and clerk cut tags and plastic cord off of them so they could be worn right away. So she ran into the store barefoot I guess?

These people are so beyond... And involving her KIDS and then killing them. Nate is commenting on the flip flops too and sure enough they were then wearing these flip flops so none of us knew this exactly before as he is surprised at it as well... Just as Charles phone traveling with Lori. We knew there was an argument re her taking his phone, PER HER but there's more...

It's interesting and I'd say wise how they saved some things that are new in this trial. Or are to us/me seem to be...
 
Man I will also give it to Nate and he must have a lot of connection to family members as he always makes a point of showing photos of the kids, Tammy, victims in life, many of which I've never seen before.
 
Okay I recall the Burger King video from back when but not Walgreen's nor did I realize they likely did not have shoes (Lori or Tylee) and clerk cut tags and plastic cord off of them so they could be worn right away. So she ran into the store barefoot I guess?

These people are so beyond... And involving her KIDS and then killing them. Nate is commenting on the flip flops too and sure enough they were then wearing these flip flops so none of us knew this exactly before as he is surprised at it as well... Just as Charles phone traveling with Lori. We knew there was an argument re her taking his phone, PER HER but there's more...

It's interesting and I'd say wise how they saved some things that are new in this trial. Or are to us/me seem to be...
I knew they stopped off to get the breakfast and then took him to school. Tylee went with her. I guess she got out the house fast so it could all be blamed on Alex. Also I seem to remember Tylee had taken JJ out to the car so I don't know if they saw the actual shooting. The fact that only Lori is still alive from that day out of 5 people, says it all really.
 

(Joe Ryan's sister Annie)

Ever heard this?


11/5/17: Lori Vallow records a disturbing rendition of the song “Hallelujah” where she describes her indoctrination of Alex into her belief system (source).

Note: I’ll highlight some of the more significant lines from the verses, but it’s incredibly insightful into her manipulation of her low-IQ, psychopathic brother.

I heard there was a new podcast
Alex played and it pleased the Lord
He had no idea how it would change him
It started out with Julie Rowe
And it turned on the light you know
And he was changed forever in an instant

He started small to build the light
Darkness went away at night
The Lord began to fill him Hallelujah
He read a book on paradise
He cried out all his tears at night
And fell upon his knees now Hallelujah

He knows there is a God above
He surely taught him how to love
And that confirms his end times every day now
The darkness now has left his heart
And he knows how to play his part
And Jesus smiles down on him forever
 
Well I did not think I'd catch up or be able to do the Tweets but I did. Just as hard as watching a significant portion was as to the kids' bodies.

Melanie PB called CHARLES device at what time while Lori was at the PD?? All the phone activity INCLUDING to Charles phone is strange as he77. And Summer tried to reach Alex. Also Chad's mortuary call... Lots of activity from Chad to Lori. I think he may be charged eventually in Charles' death as to conspiracy but maybe they will feel no need to...I forgot Charles was Chandler PD and not Gilbert. Man it is hard to keep it all straight even though I KNEW that.

So Alex's prints are on the outer plastic, not the plastic bag over head nor the duct tape it sounds like. And as to hair she said 50 tapes or whatever they were to collect hair were used. That's a lot...

A long read, a lot in there. had many thoughts, didn't recall all thoughts by end of read but these are some. I'm as caught up as I am likely to get. So mostly on top of it I guess. And borderline headache from it all stuffed in before work and yesterday too watching and reading more to catch up than I could almost take. Between needed phone calls and life stuff, it was no true day off by a long shot. They never are though. :( Messed up schedule this week. Off yesterday finally, back to work today and then off tomorrow, all split up. The back on for five long grueling OT ones.

Chad is history imo. And will likely get the DP short of some softy. I wonder if any of this is surprising Prior....

The Tweets don't show this. I watched this last night and if anyone wants a good view of Chad it is these recordings and others. Mr. Silent not so silent in his blessings and tons of other things...

It's not short but it is well worth it imo. I had no time and considered it time NOT wasted.


So Mel P said she hadn't spoken to LE but she had spoken to them on the video I just posted. Was she aware when this was recorded that Ian was recording everything for LE? Presumably Chad and Lori were in Hawaii at this point in time and LE had not yet tracked them down. She wants Mel P to move to Idaho Fals and Mel P says she thought Rexburg is supposed to be safe - throwing their previous cr@p back at them LOL. Can't watch any more at the moment.
 
Okay. I may now be more caught up than some lol. Finished Nates from last night. HIGHLY recommend watching. A lot of interesting stuff in the questions from chat and answers after his recap. Concerning Chad's books being destroyed by publisher or given back to kids who took over the publishing company. Concerning how Chad KNEW Tammy was being exhumed to tell Alex. And a fair amount concerning Julie Rowe. Three VERY interesting things of all in the question and answer. I pushed it right to the end almost here and have to head out for work and had to get ready during yikes. My candle burns at both ends always. I swear. I push it. Too much.
 

(Joe Ryan's sister Annie)

Ever heard this?


11/5/17: Lori Vallow records a disturbing rendition of the song “Hallelujah” where she describes her indoctrination of Alex into her belief system (source).

Note: I’ll highlight some of the more significant lines from the verses, but it’s incredibly insightful into her manipulation of her low-IQ, psychopathic brother.
This was from 2017 ? Before she met Chad but had heard of Rowe. How weird.
 
I knew they stopped off to get the breakfast and then took him to school. Tylee went with her. I guess she got out the house fast so it could all be blamed on Alex. Also I seem to remember Tylee had taken JJ out to the car so I don't know if they saw the actual shooting. The fact that only Lori is still alive from that day out of 5 people, says it all really.
Yeah but she sent Tylee back in for her purse. I always did know of the flip flop Walgreen stop but I never realized they did not have shoes ON. And the entire hour they were doing errands and running JJ to school there was contact with Alex etc. and Alex never called 911 for like an hour. Not sure what the real plan was or if it went awry or anything but this was their first IF they didn't kill Joe... And I to this day can't get over Chandler just letting them go and how they could consider this self defense with even their given story, it clearly was not. I almost think her running around with Charles' phone was to make it look as if he took JJ to school, to breakfast, etc. which was why he was there....I keep thinking this one was Gilbert but it wasn't it was Chandler AZ.

Gotta go. Give me some posts today to read while I am on break lol. Not that sure I will get time and I only get two breaks today instead of three. BITES.
 
I cannot see yet that Chad is implicated in JJ's murder as it seems it is Alex's prints on the plastic. What do you all think?

On Tylee we have him "burying a racoon" but I think they said the animal bones were put back in the grave so unless there are prints on the bucket remains or on the charm and chain, how will he be implicated rather than Alex, in that one too.? I think they have him on Tammy.
Can’t you get the death penalty for being in a conspiracy? He obviously conspired to kill JJ and Tylee.
 
I am trying to work out when she left Az for Id, so this shows she is still in Az on the 3rd Oct when she was interviewed by Gilbert PD about Brandon and she is still taking her older kids to school and picking them up etc.
I don’t think I realized that she had moved there after the kids were killed for some reason. I just didn’t look at that part of the timeline very closely before.
 
Okay I recall the Burger King video from back when but not Walgreen's nor did I realize they likely did not have shoes (Lori or Tylee) and clerk cut tags and plastic cord off of them so they could be worn right away. So she ran into the store barefoot I guess?

These people are so beyond... And involving her KIDS and then killing them. Nate is commenting on the flip flops too and sure enough they were then wearing these flip flops so none of us knew this exactly before as he is surprised at it as well... Just as Charles phone traveling with Lori. We knew there was an argument re her taking his phone, PER HER but there's more...

It's interesting and I'd say wise how they saved some things that are new in this trial. Or are to us/me seem to be...
I’m glad you highlighted this part. From what Nate was saying, all of this was done before law-enforcement was called! So she was just driving around while Alex cleaned up the scene? That’s what it sounds like to me.
 
Okay. I may now be more caught up than some lol. Finished Nates from last night. HIGHLY recommend watching. A lot of interesting stuff in the questions from chat and answers after his recap. Concerning Chad's books being destroyed by publisher or given back to kids who took over the publishing company. Concerning how Chad KNEW Tammy was being exhumed to tell Alex. And a fair amount concerning Julie Rowe. Three VERY interesting things of all in the question and answer. I pushed it right to the end almost here and have to head out for work and had to get ready during yikes. My candle burns at both ends always. I swear. I push it. Too much.
How about he heard that earlier this week Julie Rowe was dancing outside the court house?
 

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