Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

The outcome of this trial should be interesting.

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[GrandmaBear]

I came in first time for a long time when I just saw your activity. I saw on my phone today which has no YT settings for channels like my computer does that they filed a civil suit.

Good for them!

And the standard is way lower by far and she can't avoid testifying or being deposed.

Think on OJ, good example, he was found innocent (she was not) and actually acquitted (she was not) but the family won the civil suit.

I stay out for a reason of course. And only because I saw this news today and when doing new posts, that's what I do to try to marginally keep up, just saw this one, I had seen this on it today without even looking for such, so came in.

And with that, I'll probably stay away from it again for a long period of time.

Not a thing in this post predicts a happening but it is a far lower standard. It is civil, not criminal.

And no expert but seen plenty of this in real life too. And in cases.

One thing I disagree with is LE will generally advise you, DA too to wait until after he criminal trial to file any civil suit but they can be a GREAT tool to get more evidence, testimony, info and you name it. It happened in the Kelsey Berreth/Frazee case, they let them OR at least agreed and did not advise against her family actually filing one before the criminal trial took place. And there was a custody battle too was I am sure another reason. Different case, facts, but the criminal trial first, civil only after, uhm isn't always the best move imo. It can be one heck of a tool.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Bye bye lol. And give me credit or don't. I just don't agree with the majority and so I stay out of it. I do agree with parts, I do not agree she didn't cause his death or there is a conspiracy and people in the home did, etc. I dont' have to be in every single case. I realize the opinions in here are all gung ho mostly in one direction with the huge conspiracy believed on top of it.

But I'd do the same if I was his family. Why not.

Bye ya all.

Not for me because I'd not argue so much as just not be able to deal with the fact there's no looking at all the things here imo. It's a one way band wagon. And that's fine.

I get that way in others so I get it. If I'm sold or close to it, no one will convince me otherwise easily.

Everyone have a great day today (after midnight).

 

[Cousin Dupree]

The outcome of this trial should be interesting.

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The laws from a Civil Case differ greatly from a criminal case. I wonder if the defense will be able to call the two expert witness' and reveal they were paid by the FBI to represent Ms. Read.

Will they be able to find out who doctored the video and put them on the stand?

I believe the O'Keefe family truly thinks Karen did this. They probably have a hard time believing that other officers would do a cover up and blame Karen. If the defense is less restricted in a Civil Case and can introduce evidence that they couldn't in the criminal case, this could end by blowing up the whole story the police have been trying to peddle.

From the CNN article:

About 4:30 that morning, Read knew she had hit her boyfriend with her SUV and woke up O’Keefe’s 14-year-old niece talking about the death, the lawsuit says.

I don't remember the niece ever saying she was awoken at 4:30a.m. and told by Karen that her uncle was dead in the criminal trial. Has she been asked to lie about what happened?

I wonder how the families "friends" feel about this.

 

[Tresir]

I came in first time for a long time when I just saw your activity. I saw on my phone today which has no YT settings for channels like my computer does that they filed a civil suit.

Good for them!

And the standard is way lower by far and she can't avoid testifying or being deposed.

Think on OJ, good example, he was found innocent (she was not) and actually acquitted (she was not) but the family won the civil suit.

I stay out for a reason of course. And only because I saw this news today and when doing new posts, that's what I do to try to marginally keep up, just saw this one, I had seen this on it today without even looking for such, so came in.

And with that, I'll probably stay away from it again for a long period of time.

Not a thing in this post predicts a happening but it is a far lower standard. It is civil, not criminal.

And no expert but seen plenty of this in real life too. And in cases.

One thing I disagree with is LE will generally advise you, DA too to wait until after he criminal trial to file any civil suit but they can be a GREAT tool to get more evidence, testimony, info and you name it. It happened in the Kelsey Berreth/Frazee case, they let them OR at least agreed and did not advise against her family actually filing one before the criminal trial took place. And there was a custody battle too was I am sure another reason. Different case, facts, but the criminal trial first, civil only after, uhm isn't always the best move imo. It can be one heck of a tool.

I think it's a good move too.

 

[Tresir]

How do you presume they found no dog DNA when they were only sent a sample of "something" to test that can't it negative? There was again no chain if evidence of where it when that sample was taken out when it was taken. No swabs of the actual injuries were taken. You're definitely not going to fund anything if you didn't actually look for it.

Because it was not reported they found dog DNA AFAIK.

 

[Tresir]

The laws from a Civil Case differ greatly from a criminal case. I wonder if the defense will be able to call the two expert witness' and reveal they were paid by the FBI to represent Ms. Read.

Will they be able to find out who doctored the video and put them on the stand?

I believe the O'Keefe family truly thinks Karen did this. They probably have a hard time believing that other officers would do a cover up and blame Karen. If the defense is less restricted in a Civil Case and can introduce evidence that they couldn't in the criminal case, this could end by blowing up the whole story the police have been trying to peddle.

From the CNN article:

About 4:30 that morning, Read knew she had hit her boyfriend with her SUV and woke up O’Keefe’s 14-year-old niece talking about the death, the lawsuit says.

I don't remember the niece ever saying she was awoken at 4:30a.m. and told by Karen that her uncle was dead in the criminal trial. Has she been asked to lie about what happened?

I wonder how the families "friends" feel about this.

I don't remember the children's testimonies being public.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I don't remember the children's testimonies being public.

They were. They were shown in real time over the trial feed.

 

[Tresir]

Motion to dismiss being heard right now

Motion to dismiss denied.

Motion to dismiss denied: Review the full Karen Read ruling

Judge Beverly Cannone issued a highly-anticipated ruling Friday in the controversial Karen Read murder case, denying a defense motion to dismiss two of the charges, including second-degree murder. The denial of the motion to dismiss means the case now remains on track for a second trial on Jan...

www.nbcboston.com

 

[Tresir]

ATF agent Brian Higgins to continue testimony in Karen Read trial: Watch live

The Karen Read murder trial will resume Tuesday after the long holiday weekend, and it will be the only day this week that court is scheduled to be in session in the case.

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By Lauren Melendez, Sue O'Connell, Kaitlin McKinley Becker and Marc Fortier • Published May 28, 2024 • Updated on May 28, 2024 at 8:20 pm​

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John O'Keefe's niece and nephew take the stand​

After Higgins, the next witnesses on Tuesday were the niece and nephew of O'Keefe, who lived with him in Canton after both of their parents died.

Their testimony was not live streamed, as both the prosecution and defense have agreed not to have any video or audio broadcast of their testimony. Their testimony lasted about two hours, concluding shortly before noon.


NBC10 Boston's Sue O'Connell, who was in the courtroom but was not allowed to share details until afterward, said the niece and nephew testified about the relationship between their uncle and Read, saying arguing between them increased in January. They said the fights were loud, but never happened in public.

They said Read often took care of them, and they had good times together, and also some bad times when O'Keefe and Read fought.

The niece also detailed the events of the morning O'Keefe died, saying she heard Read say, "Maybe I hit him. Could I have hit him?"

The children also said Read never called or wrote them after that day.

Yannetti only had a couple of questions on cross-examination, asking if Read or O'Keefe ever raised a hand in anger at each other. Both children testified no.

O'Keefe's niece was also asked if she ever told anyone about Read's comments that she might have hit O'Keefe. The niece said she did not.

Bringing forward for recap.

 

[Tresir]

The phone search was made around 2am. The prosecution used an old version of the program to determine that it was made at 6ish.

I thought the search was actually done later but the app that was used had originally been opened earlier.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Bringing forward for recap.

Well, I'm a dumbass, that shouldn't surprise anyone. I didn't realize the testimonies weren't aired until later.

That said, she never said that Karen told her that her uncle was dead at 4:30 that morning.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I thought the search was actually done later but the app that was used had originally been opened earlier.

The prosecution argued that McCabe opened the app to look something up around 2a.m. The app stayed open, and she used it again around 6a.m. to search Hos long does it take...

The defenses expert testified that the prosecution's expert used an old version of the program he used. If the prosecution's expert had used the updated version, he would've seen that the search was actually made around 2a.m.

I'm beginning to worry about my memory. I'm getting things a lot more wrong in the past couple of months than before. I hope I'm right about that.

 

[Guess Who]

Because it was not reported they found dog DNA AFAIK.

Because they have no clue what was swabbed. Just a swab was presented that had absolutely no chain of evidence as to what was swabbed, where it was taken from or when it was taken.

 

[Guess Who]

They were. They were shown in real time over the trial feed.

And if that had really happened, the prosecution would have asked them about that while they were testifying. They were asked about that night and that conversation never came up. Seems pretty important.

 

[Tresir]

Well, I'm a dumbass, that shouldn't surprise anyone. I didn't realize the testimonies weren't aired until later.

That said, she never said that Karen told her that her uncle was dead at 4:30 that morning.

That has a double meaning. It could mean it was 4.30 in the morning when Karen told her or that it was 4.30 in the morning that he was dead.

 

[Tresir]

Because they have no clue what was swabbed. Just a swab was presented that had absolutely no chain of evidence as to what was swabbed, where it was taken from or when it was taken.

They didnt find dog DNA. Whether cos it wasn't looked for, wasnt tested, wasn't there or it wasnt taken or wasn't logged correctly is not known. They didnt find any DNA or test for any AFAIK.

They had Karen telling everyone she hit him so why would they check for dog DNA ?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

They didnt find dog DNA. Whether cos it wasn't looked for, wasnt tested, wasn't there or it wasnt taken or wasn't logged correctly is not known. They didnt find any DNA or test for any AFAIK.

They had Karen telling everyone she hit him so why would they check for dog DNA ?

According to them, she said it. There is some hinkyness associated with that. IIRC, nobody remembered her saying that until months later. Also, on scene reports never mention it. @Guess Who knows more about this.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

That has a double meaning. It could mean it was 4.30 in the morning when Karen told her or that it was 4.30 in the morning that he was dead.

When they found him around 6a.m. he was still alive.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

And if that had really happened, the prosecution would have asked them about that while they were testifying. They were asked about that night and that conversation never came up. Seems pretty important.

VERY important.