Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Why would you take a plea if you're innocent? I wouldn't.

Don't act clueless, it's a bit childish.

Did I say I thought her innocent? Ever? Or just the opposite?

Pretty certain I didn't.

So this is just a sarcastic remark by you or a twisting of what I think and mean.

I've said all along she did it. Imo.

I've said all along Proctor deserves what he gets.

I've said all along one thing does not erase the other.

The alternative story of how he died is as ridiculous as the O thing in Delphi.

Karen hit him.

Karen was also part of this group, as was her bf, and knew their inner workings and the facts all were not always above board and she has used it to turn it around on them.

I honestly think she thought being a part of the group she would get off very lightly if doing any time at all. When she realized that was not going to happen, her story changed.

Not everyone holds the same opinion as the mouthy groupies online and such. The PR campaign and what the D attempted yes, has a ton of people falling for it all.

I haven't. I don't intend to. And it isn't what the facts show me.

Such conveniently ignores a lot of things just as the D did in Delphi. I'd say the same types fall for both.

I do get ticked at LE who do not do their job in the way they should and help give such openings. I don't deny that and am more than fair about that. They need to be totally on top of their job and game these days. Because of the ridiculous use of SM with lies by defenses, and spin.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I haven't watched it all, but did see discussions every night on the happenings of the day, on CourtTV. If someone questions a piece of evidence then I'll refer them to the actual testimony for that.

The best answer is for those who didn't follow the trial in anyway, shape or form to go back and watch the trial themselves.

It certainly is. How many witnesses did you watch that did NOT help Read? Court TV well, that doesn't tell me you have a good rounded picture of it at all. Watching both the channel and Vinnie on Delphi lately, uhm, give me a break. He stays on what gets the hype going and the views and that's the D sh*t. I'm sure he likely did the same with Read. I wouldn't know, when I got a minute I watched the actual trial.

 

[GrandmaBear]

She's not being falsely accused, because she admitted she hit him. What do you think was deliberately altered in the video that could change that fact.

I dont believe she intended to hit him necessarily, but she was driving drunk and hit him, which makes it manslaughter.

I think it was intentional but could accept drunken accident. I'd likely never really believe it or be sure, but she'd at least be held to some account and intent would be hard to prove.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

She's not being falsely accused, because she admitted she hit him. What do you think was deliberately altered in the video that could change that fact.

I dont believe she intended to hit him necessarily, but she was driving drunk and hit him, which makes it manslaughter.

According to "The Investigation" she said that. This is why you need to watch the trial. The expert, paid for by the FBI, said that his injuries were not caused by being hit by a car.

Why would the FBI pay for an expert? My guess is they know she's being railroaded, but can't compromise their investigations by having one of their own testifying.

 

[GrandmaBear]

So stop bringing up stuff from a very flawed/corrupt investigation. It was all brought up in trial.

Let's just let it go until the new trial, unless it's new evidence or evidence not presented in court.

I personally am awaiting the new trial. As all know I generally stay out of here. That in no way means I am not up on the case.

Everything being discussed in here is, no offense to anyone, the same old stuff and arguments.

So you want it quiet, is that what you are saying? Well then do your part... I stay out of it generally so I do...

 

[Tresir]

When did she actually say it and why, if she said it, was it not documented at all in the investigation to the possible murder of a fellow officer? How does that make any sense at all? Send it would be very important to their "investigation", wouldn't you?

It was in the testimony of a paramedic who heard her say it . I thought you said you watched the trial didn't you?

 

[GrandmaBear]

It was in the testimony of a paramedic who heard her say it . I thought you said you watched the trial didn't you?

Paramedic lies too I guess...

I recall that actually, and that's the other thing, not EVERYONE in this investigation or who was present at any time is corrupt or a liar but that's what it takes and some do not realize that is just not feasible or likely... They ignore the things that don't work and leave them out.

 

[Tresir]

So stop bringing up stuff from a very flawed/corrupt investigation. It was all brought up in trial.

Let's just let it go until the new trial, unless it's new evidence or evidence not presented in court.

Well i do want to wait for the new trial but when incorrect facts are quoted without links, i will challenge that.

 

[Tresir]

Now we have people hare basing their entire opinion on this and it's never been documented.

Who are you talking about?

 

[Tresir]

Paramedic lies too I guess...

I recall that actually, and that's the other thing, not EVERYONE in this investigation or who was present at any time is corrupt or a liar but that's what it takes and some do not realize that is just not feasible or likely... They ignore the things that don't work and leave them out.

The reason we remember it is because it was significant. They took her to hospital because she was suicidal.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

It certainly is. How many witnesses did you watch that did NOT help Read? Court TV well, that doesn't tell me you have a good rounded picture of it at all. Watching both the channel and Vinnie on Delphi lately, uhm, give me a break. He stays on what gets the hype going and the views and that's the D sh*t. I'm sure he likely did the same with Read. I wouldn't know, when I got a minute I watched the actual trial.

I watched some testimony and didn't shut the TV off when evidence pointing to her was presented.

12 people who did watch the entire trial decided she was innocent of two charges. 10/12ths of those same people thought she was innocent of the third charge too.

Once the Sallyport video was presented, every prosecution witness was worthless.

 

[Guess Who]

According to "The Investigation" she said that. This is why you need to watch the trial. The expert, paid for by the FBI, said that his injuries were not caused by being hit by a car.

Why would the FBI pay for an expert? My guess is they know she's being railroaded, but can't compromise their investigations by having one of their own testifying.

And that same "investigation" has absolutely no notation of that ever happening. Pretty important stuff to keep out, especially if your entire "investigation" is based upon that supposed statement.

 

[Tresir]

According to "The Investigation" she said that. This is why you need to watch the trial. The expert, paid for by the FBI, said that his injuries were not caused by being hit by a car.

Why would the FBI pay for an expert? My guess is they know she's being railroaded, but can't compromise their investigations by having one of their own testifying.

I read the paramedic's testimony who heard her say it. I will link it for you.

Paramedic testifies that Karen Read admitted to striking Boston cop boyfriend John O'Keefe

During the first full day of testimony in the Karen Read trial, a paramedic who responded to the scene where Boston cop John O'Keefe's body was found heard her repeatedly say that she "hit" O'Keefe.

lawandcrime.com

 

[Guess Who]

Who are you talking about?

I know of at least 3 here that keep saying that when it is not documentation that she said it anywhere in their witness statements or investigational notes. Not once. That very info came up at trial.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The reason we remember it is because it was significant. They took her to hospital because she was suicidal.

Yep. Plenty. Yet all who later jumped on the other ship decided to forget all of that.

She's like Richard Allen too, nothing they do can remove her... They can come up with 500 different things to explain different things but not that. Nor her remarks, etc.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Hard to say. Personally I think both sides should have given a bit and reached a deal. I do think she was overcharged, well not that she was overcharged necessarily but others would have gotten this pled down if they were in the same boat, part of me does believe they are making an example of her. She knows she did it and should have faced it, admitted to it, shown remorse and made a deal.

I've never seen anything so ridiculous. His poor parents, family, niece and nephew. This is the Karen Read show, PERIOD, it is like there was no victim nor any victim's family members. That is so disgusting and it's one thing to thinks she is innocent but to STILL show no sympathy for him or his loved ones is SICK. Yet that's what goes on. She should not have even been DRIVING NOR DRUNK.

Yet she's this sympathetic character.

End of first paragraph above says She should have admitted to it, shown remorse and made a deal.

Don't act clueless, it's a bit childish.

Did I say I thought her innocent? Ever? Or just the opposite?

Pretty certain I didn't.

So this is just a sarcastic remark by you or a twisting of what I think and mean.

I've said all along she did it. Imo.

I've said all along Proctor deserves what he gets.

I've said all along one thing does not erase the other.

The alternative story of how he died is as ridiculous as the O thing in Delphi.

Karen hit him.

Karen was also part of this group, as was her bf, and knew their inner workings and the facts all were not always above board and she has used it to turn it around on them.

I honestly think she thought being a part of the group she would get off very lightly if doing any time at all. When she realized that was not going to happen, her story changed.

Not everyone holds the same opinion as the mouthy groupies online and such. The PR campaign and what the D attempted yes, has a ton of people falling for it all.

I haven't. I don't intend to. And it isn't what the facts show me.

Such conveniently ignores a lot of things just as the D did in Delphi. I'd say the same types fall for both.

I do get ticked at LE who do not do their job in the way they should and help give such openings. I don't deny that and am more than fair about that. They need to be totally on top of their job and game these days. Because of the ridiculous use of SM with lies by defenses, and spin.

'Nuff said.

 

[Tresir]

They most certainly did! We watched then play it and we're discussing it as it happened. It's in the actual testimony. There's entire discussion about it.

Sometimes you have to actually look at both sides of the testimony or look at links that some of us have already sent you but were always met with the refusal to look at what actually happened in the trial and stating that you refuse to look at it.

You and emu have refused to provide me with links whenever i have asked. I have always found them myself.

 

[Tresir]

I do not understand the sheer refusal to do so, stating that since the trial was a mistrial they weren't interested in anything that happened in it, yet keep bringing up stuff that happened in it.

Please don't discuss me in the third person. I am right here.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

You and emu have refused to provide me with links whenever i have asked. I have always found them myself.

We have provided links for every single thing you question. You refuse to see it. You refuse to watch testimony in a mistrial. I would think the fact it's a mistrial would make it more interesting.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Please don't discuss me in the third person. I am right here.

I don't think she was talking about you alone.