Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[Tresir]

Also we can't assume they knew anything about how her medical issues affect her metabolism which could totally skew their calculations approx 9 hours after her supposed last consumption.

The BAC is one of the few facts in this case that appears accurate to me.

 

[Guess Who]

The BAC is one of the few facts in this case that appears accurate to me.

Again. Read kdg''s explanation of how a BAC was not performed. It was an alternative, much less accurate version performed.

 

[RoundPeg]

That and her Crohn's disease, the rain why she had an ostomy both would. That's not even counting the meds she's most likely on.

Did they even take any of that into account and how that works affect their calculations 9 hours later?

I don't believe they could even make a good calculation that far out with that many variables.

True. Not knowing all that, she really could have had a much higher BAC, too.

 

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True. Not knowing all that, she really could have had a much higher BAC, too.

She very well could have. It's exactly like absolutely everything else in this case that we might not ever know the actual answer to since the "investigation" was so botched and so many blatant coverups.

 

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True. Not knowing all that, she really could have had a much higher BAC, too.

Which also leads to that if she was, why would cops allow her to drive away that night? You know, those that are supposed to be trained to notice that stuff and try at least to protect the public from them. Let alone invite hey to drive in your neighborhood and to your house in that state.

 

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The BAC is one of the few facts in this case that appears accurate to me.

I suggest you read the info kdg posted above.
Just a piece of the info included in it

While EIA testing achieves clinical and diagnostic objectives, it is not forensically reliable for a DWI or criminal prosecution where a blood alcohol level needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Hospital Blood Alcohol Lab Results: Are They Forensically Reliable? - Law Offices of Christopher L. Baxter

From time to time, you may encounter a DWI or vehicular assault/homicide prosecution where the State is attempting to introduce a defendant’s blood alcohol level obtained from a hospital lab rather than the State Police or county forensic laboratory. Traditionally, law enforcement obtains a...

www.new-jersey-dui-defense.com

 

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“If there are missteps and sloppiness in a murder investigation involving the death of a police officer, what does that suggest about the process in a more run-of-the-mill case with a civilian victim?” he said.

“This should be cause for concern and some evaluation,” he added.

Karen Read murder trial: Messy investigation exposes problems with police work that public rarely sees, experts say

“If there are missteps and sloppiness in a murder investigation involving the death of a police officer, what does that suggest about the process in a more run-of-the-mill case?” one law professor asked.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Tresir]

Again. Read kdg''s explanation of how a BAC was not performed. It was an alternative, much less accurate version performed.

I did read it.

 

[Tresir]

"They" in what I was talking about were the very people with her that night that saw her the entire time. They ALL testified that she did not appear drunk that night.

Just because someone appears sober doesn't automatically mean a low BAC. Alcoholics often don't appear drunk but have high BAC's.

 

[Tresir]

Which also leads to that if she was, why would cops allow her to drive away that night? You know, those that are supposed to be trained to notice that stuff and try at least to protect the public from them. Let alone invite hey to drive in your neighborhood and to your house in that state.

At what time did cops let her drive away?

 

[Tresir]

This article references her blood alcohol level (BAC) among a lot of other info.

What was Karen Read's blood alcohol level on the night John O'Keefe died? Experts testify at trial

The prosecutor in the Karen Read murder trial focused on Read's blood alcohol level the night John O'Keefe died.

www.cbsnews.com

Karen Read's blood alcohol level​

Justin Rice, who was an emergency room doctor at Good Samaritan Hospital in Brockton when O'Keefe died, took the stand on Tuesday.

Rice treated Read the morning of January 29, 2022.

She was brought to the hospital just before 8 a.m. under a "Section 12" order. Rice described it as an "involuntarily detention," usually over a mental health concern.

Rice said bloodwork was performed on Read. She had a blood alcohol content (BAC) of 93 milligrams per deciliter, or 0.093%. The legal BAC limit in Massachusetts for driving is 0.08%.

Later, Nicholas Roberts, who at the time was a member of the Massachusetts Office of Alcohol Testing working with the Massachusetts State Police crime lab unit, took the stand.

He spoke about a type of "retrograde" testing that allows the lab to estimate what a person's blood alcohol level would have been hours before an official blood test was taken.


Read's blood was taken at 9:08 a.m. Using 12:45 a.m. as the estimated last drink Read consumed, Roberts estimated that her BAC would have previously been a minimum of 0.135% or a maximum of 0.292%.

Defense attorney Elizabeth Little spent cross-examination of Roberts attempting to show that the estimation could have been inaccurate. She said the testing method is "acting with a lot of unknowns."

"If Miss Read drank alcohol after 12:45 a.m. and before her blood was drawn at 9:08 a.m., your entire calculation would be invalid," Little said. Roberts responded, "Yeah."

 

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At what time did cops let her drive away?

When they left the same bar with them and invited then to their house. The house where he died in the front yard.

 

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This article references her blood alcohol level (BAC) among a lot of other info.

What was Karen Read's blood alcohol level on the night John O'Keefe died? Experts testify at trial

The prosecutor in the Karen Read murder trial focused on Read's blood alcohol level the night John O'Keefe died.

www.cbsnews.com

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"If Miss Read drank alcohol after 12:45 a.m. and before her blood was drawn at 9:08 a.m., your entire calculation would be invalid," Little said. Roberts responded, "Yeah.""

 

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Just because someone appears sober doesn't automatically mean a low BAC. Alcoholics often don't appear drunk but have high BAC's.

If they are trying to claim her level was nearly .3 any cop world but be trained very well if they couldn't spot even a seasoned alcoholic blowing that number. That is, unless they were drunk too.

 

[Guess Who]

this is my thought .. not a conspiracy but a bad law enforcement attempt to cover up whatever really happened & a ridiculous investigation by MSP

I'm pretty sure that video would be in the conspiracy category.

 

[Tresir]

When they left the same bar with them and invited then to their house. The house where he died in the front yard.

So off duty cops who had also been drinking you mean?

How would they have known what she had drunk, especially if they were as drunk as her.

 

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So off duty cops who had also been drinking you mean?

How would they have known what she had drunk, especially if they were as drunk as her.

Off duty makes it ok for them to drive home drunk?
So it's fine if they are trying to say she was a ,3 and they were as drunk as she was and it's fund that they all drove hike that way?
You don't think a cop should be more accountable for doing illegal things than the public?

 

[Tresir]

If they are trying to claim her level was nearly .3 any cop world but be trained very well if they couldn't spot even a seasoned alcoholic blowing that number. That is, unless they were drunk too.

I don't believe she was tested by cops. Cops just worked out the level she would have been at the time she dropped him off, based on the ER testing level at 9 a.m. ie approx 8.5 hours earlier.

 

[Tresir]

Off duty makes it ok for them to drive home drunk?
So it's fine if they are trying to say she was a ,3 and they were as drunk as she was and it's fund that they all drove hike that way?
You don't think a cop should be more accountable for doing illegal things than the public?

First you said cops, now off duty cops so who are you talking about? Was the guy who did the calculations, drinking with her that night? Is that what you are saying?

I have not said it is ever ok to drive drunk, whether one is LE or not, so I don't understand what point you are making TBH.

 

[Tresir]

Which also leads to that if she was, why would cops allow her to drive away that night? You know, those that are supposed to be trained to notice that stuff and try at least to protect the public from them. Let alone invite hey to drive in your neighborhood and to your house in that state.

'Cos they were doing it too?