CA KARLIE GUSE: Missing from Chalfant Valley, Mono Co., CA - 13 October 2018 - Age 16

• Date of Birth 05/13/2002
• Age 16 years old
• Height and Weight 5'7, 110 pounds
• Clothing/Jewelry Description A white t-shirt, gray sweatpants or jeans, and Vans shoes.
• Distinguishing Characteristics Caucasian female. Blonde hair, blue eyes. Karlie's left nostril is pierced.

Karlie was last seen walking towards Highway 6 after leaving her residence in the White Mountain Estates area of Chalfant, California on October 13, 2018. Her stepmother saw her lying awake at 5:48 a.m., and went to sleep in the same room. Between 7:15 and 7:30 a.m., she woke up, and realized Karlie was gone.

There were no indications of forced entry to the home. She left all her belongings behind, including her cellular phone, eyeglasses and money, and has never been heard from again.

The night before her disappearance, Karlie came home after an evening out with friends and admitted to her parents that she had smoked marijuana. She seemed anxious and paranoid, and in her final text to her boyfriend she said the marijuana had been laced. It's possible she was still disoriented from the effects of the drug at the time she went missing.

Karlie and her father and stepmother had only recently moved to Chalfant, and she has relatives in Yerington, Nevada, 160 miles away. Her biological mother fears she may have had an overdose on the night of her disappearance, while her stepmother says she thinks Karlie was abducted.

Her case is being investigated as a simple missing person due to lack of evidence of a crime.

Karlie Lain Guse – The Charley Project

KARLIE LAIN GUSÉ | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Mono County, California October 13, 2018

www.fbi.gov

KARLIE GUSE has been missing from the Bishop, California area known as "Chalfant Valley" since October of 2018. She was only 16 years old!

Karlie Lain Gusé, a then 16-year-old female, was reported missing by her family on the morning of October 13, 2018. Karlie was seen by her family at their residence in the White Mountain Estates area of Chalfant Valley in Mono County...

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[Regina]

Yeah, I don't tend to believe much in such concidences, like a perp i most cases just happened to be going by when someone no one knew would run away, etc. would and they happened on them and made a split second decision. I know it is possible but generally don't think likely in most cases.

In Karlie's case, for me, it's that the area is so remote that makes it less likely that she was picked up. I also think she could have travelled a considerable distance since the parents began looking. And also, in her state of mind, I'd expect she'd run away if approached.
In Serenity's case, I can imagine that she might have accepted a ride.

 

[Mel70]

Nowadays I'd say fentanyl but it doesn't fit, maybe PCP or coke? But as you say she spoke to her bf etc. My issue is that what many accept as facts in this story comes from and the last person around her was the stepmother. I don't find her believable nor do I believe she is a fountain of truth. I also think her own behavior strange. The sticker in this case is ONE supposed neighbor isn't it who claimed to have seen her walk by but that doesn't do it for me and even if so, it doesn't mean no one went after her, she did not turn around and head back home, etc. There are a few cases for me that the sticking point is a supposed account by an eyewitness or two. Serenity Dennard is a BIG one. I know you know the case as well--I have my personal opinion on that one and it isn't that she just took off and was never seen again and that was the end of it. I don't believe it in this case either.

Like I had said. Cocaine laced marijuana. I did that a few times about 25 yrs ago. Everyone reacts to drugs differently. But I don't see that. "PCP" is along the same lines as "Angel Dust". You are not lucid. "Fentanyl". Me personally. I've never heard of lacing with that. I actually don't ever hear about lacing now. I've never gotten any. Yes. The stepmother. And the time. If she had smoked marijuana, The effects would have worn off most likely completely by then. I have many years experience. Pain is a b****.

 

[Mel70]

In Karlie's case, for me, it's that the area is so remote that makes it less likely that she was picked up. I also think she could have travelled a considerable distance since the parents began looking. And also, in her state of mind, I'd expect she'd run away if approached.
In Serenity's case, I can imagine that she might have accepted a ride.

I agree that I believe Serenity was trying to go home. And accepted a ride from an opportunistic killer. IMO all the searching by many different means, All the ground covered. Serenity is not in the area.

 

[Mel70]

In Karlie's case, for me, it's that the area is so remote that makes it less likely that she was picked up. I also think she could have travelled a considerable distance since the parents began looking. And also, in her state of mind, I'd expect she'd run away if approached.
In Serenity's case, I can imagine that she might have accepted a ride.

IMO. Someone did something to Karlie.

 

[GrandmaBear]

In Karlie's case, for me, it's that the area is so remote that makes it less likely that she was picked up. I also think she could have travelled a considerable distance since the parents began looking. And also, in her state of mind, I'd expect she'd run away if approached.
In Serenity's case, I can imagine that she might have accepted a ride.

Both possible but not my thoughts.

I think way too much with the home in Serenity's case and was from day one.

In Karlie's well I don't trust the report either, etc.

I think you said in some thread not long ago, I think Kyron's, that eyewitnesses are the most unreliabie evidence, etc. Well that's part of these two cases imo. Except for one or so eyewitnesses, leaning one way or another wouldn't be the case by authorities. I got totally into Serenity's from day one and it had NO attention. I wasn't here then. I looked into the home and more big time. There was a poster that had a brother or some such at the home at one time. It took HOW long to get the home looked at and when a report finally came out, it was polished but found issues. No surprise. The director stayed. The home did not even call 911 until how long, etc.

Not arguing just saying there are a handful of cases for me that the eyewitness is the ONLY thing that skews most people and authorities in a certain direction. . I should say independent eyewitness. Not family, not employee, etc.

And in SOME cases the eyewitness is the perp. I'm really wondering about that new one in France. No mention since the first mention of a couple who saw the child. The couple may even be family, hard to say.. Very under wraps... Then they take someone's car... Was it the couple's? Was it family? No idea. A perp can come forward as an eyewitness OR they never witnessed what they claim.

In Kyron's though, for me, there are too many to ignore. We can and do disagree on that I'm sure.

 

[Regina]

I think you said in some thread not long ago, I think Kyron's, that eyewitnesses are the most unreliabie evidence, etc. Well that's part of these two cases imo. Except for one or so eyewitnesses, leaning one way or another wouldn't be the case by authorities. I got totally into Serenity's from day one and it had NO attention. I wasn't here then. I looked into the home and more big time. There was a poster that had a brother or some such at the home at one time. It took HOW long to get the home looked at and when a report finally came out, it was polished but found issues. No surprise. The director stayed. The home did not even call 911 until how long, etc.

Not arguing just saying there are a handful of cases for me that the eyewitness is the ONLY thing that skews most people and authorities in a certain direction. . I should say independent eyewitness. Not family, not employee, etc.

And in SOME cases the eyewitness is the perp. I'm really wondering about that new one in France. No mention since the first mention of a couple who saw the child. The couple may even be family, hard to say.. Very under wraps... Then they take someone's car... Was it the couple's? Was it family? No idea. A perp can come forward as an eyewitness OR they never witnessed what they claim.

In Kyron's though, for me, there are too many to ignore. We can and do disagree on that I'm sure.

Well, eye-witness accounts need to correlate with other info and I think in both cases, they do.
In Kyron's case, I don't know enough about those particular eye-witness accounts to evaluate them. I don't even know the source of that info. I mean, I understand that it comes from the biological mother but that's second-hand.
I have to say, I'm very surprised and actually, disappointed that you don't question the info surrounding that case. It's certainly not what I'm used to seeing from you.
As for France, I have no idea what you're talking about, lol!

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, eye-witness accounts need to correlate with other info and I think in both cases, they do.
In Kyron's case, I don't know enough about those particular eye-witness accounts to evaluate them. I don't even know the source of that info. I mean, I understand that it comes from the biological mother but that's second-hand.
I have to say, I'm very surprised and actually, disappointed that you don't question the info surrounding that case. It's certainly not what I'm used to seeing from you.
As for France, I have no idea what you're talking about, lol!

Newer/new case. Little 2 year old went missing in France.

As for Kyron, I think you know I am far from the only one who feels that way about the stepmother, the majority does but believe me I don't just go with the majority. I have bucked other's opinion and been the only one in some cases to believe what I decide is my opinion. There's been a few cases where I believed a missing person went missing of their own volition and it was right.

As I said today in the LISK case not long ago and have said in other threads over time, as years pass with cases and such, I don't always remember what brought me to my opinion or every detail as I stuff in so many, but I know how I do it and that I don't do it out of the gate ever UNLESS on rare occasion it is just so obvious and even then I wait to see quite often.

I try to start at zero if one thinks of a thermometer. Negative degrees are guilt, positive ones innocent or something like that.

OR maybe like three strikes and you are out with me. Meaning coincidences, having to explain too many things or just things that outright point to the person and no one else, etc. LIES. Etc. One thing well okay. Two things and the needle moves from zero... Three things and that's weighted towards guilt. And in some cases more piles on. A solid alibi it will go back towards not guilty. And so forth.

What you don't understand maybe is that doesn't mean it would be enough for me to convict them as a juror or that it is evidence even that could be used or be enough on its own. It's my opinion.

I think our differences are with some cases that you are doing what a juror is supposed to and should do. I get that but this is discussion and opinion and not a jury trial.

I also think you find excuses for too much where I do the opposite. When I started following cases online and discussing, I would sometimes come up with thoughts of what could have happened that really excused too much and even would go ab it outside the box and I came to realize I had to make things fit to find innocence in some of them or like many often thought a child could have been abducted by a stranger just to leave open the possibility and think of all. Ahother thing I almost never do as many do these days is instantly jump to trafficking.

If there are too many coincidences or things to be explained away I have come to not believe in too many coincidences. The odds are up there with winning the Powerball. Where were you? At work. The next day. Well someone saw you at the mall. Oh, I forgot about that, I was at the mall. Then what did you buy there? A shirt. The next day, we found video it was bleach. Oh yeah, now I remember. Simple made up example but... I could go on.

I'd also add that my meter can go the other direction after moving in one direction.

That one case where another woman took the woman's newborn and everyone online suspected her fiance, I never went there or jumped on that ship.

With Kyron and I think another one was where the girlfriend was younger than dad and her name was Missy, maybe was the babysitter first drawing a blank you and I are the exact opposite on that one as well. Bevers? I have stuffed way too many cases in through the years. But again it is an opinion, I'm not a juror. And yes, most of the reaqsons wouldn't be enough for sure to convict or so LE and prosecutors worry and is likely why they haven't been charged but it doesn't mean it isn't the way the road goes and arrows point or logic does.

And I basically never go to 100 percent but have said I am 99.9 in some cases with my opinion but I will change it if then see reason to or other evidence, etc. It rarely happens. I'm not the judge and I'm not the jury and if I was, I'd look at it the way they are supposed to. Honestly I don't want to be either. I'm simply discussing and forming an opinion and sharing it.

I see little in Kyron's case that indicates anyone but the stepmother and plenty that does.

For me, add to it that it is so rare it is someone other than someone close to them. Does it happen? Of course. Parents are always looked at and innocent ones generally happy to cooperate and they tell the truth as their goal is to be cleared and get their child found. and for LE to get on it as soon as possible.

Polygraphs like other subjects could be debated for eons but she failed them.

There are all these little things as well. Just too much that she can't explain away. I mean I guess we can believe some other person walked Kryon out of the school with no one noticing and he went willingly and easly but not a single soul saw them where he was seen with her. And more.

We do agree that CAMERAS would have made a huge difference in that case.

Not arguing or trying to offend just explaining some of why I think we differ and that again, I am not a juror convicting the person. It is an opinion. First key thing is NEVER lie. And they do. Tell the truth as best you know it because changing your story is key. More than once? Oh boy.

Sorry to go on. I needed to get my mind off some other things and haven't been able to or focus so I went to town with this one. Not at you of course. Was overdue for a LONG one and some will be happy it wasn't a food post lol

 

[Kimster]

I doubt it actually was laced but I think her suggestion that it was may reveal a symptom of psychosis. (Info includes that a friend said Karlie told her that she thought she was being tracked through her cell phone, which sounds to me like she was experiencing paranoia.)
It appears to me there was a pre-existing mental health issue and that the marijuana use that night triggered a psychotic episode which she was still experiencing when she woke up and walked away from home.

This is a really good theory. There’s a few mental health issues that don’t appear until high school and even college age. I have a family member that had that issue, and when he drank alcohol, it just made it worse.

 

[Kimster]

In Karlie's case, for me, it's that the area is so remote that makes it less likely that she was picked up. I also think she could have travelled a considerable distance since the parents began looking. And also, in her state of mind, I'd expect she'd run away if approached.
In Serenity's case, I can imagine that she might have accepted a ride.

I don’t know if you remember this, but I grew up in that area, and my aunt and uncle built/owned a home where Karlie was living in Chalfant Valley.

Yes, it is rural, but it’s also a Highway and it’s not like cars don’t go down there on a regular basis, as it’s the fastest way to go to Nevada and gamble as well as get to Fallon. But they go irregular enough that early in the morning, a stranger could have found the opportunity without witnesses and picked her up. I’m not saying that’s what I think happened because I think she more likely was disoriented and got lost in the elements, but I certainly don’t dismiss a stranger picking her up when they found an opportunity.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

What Happened to Karlie? Mystery Surrounds Teen's Disappearance into Desert After Night of Partying

Karlie Gusé's mysterious 2018 disappearance is the subject of Monday's episode of "People Magazine Investigates"

people.com

What Happened to Karlie? Mystery Surrounds Teen's Disappearance into Desert After Night of Partying​

Something wasn’t right with Karlie Gusé on the night of Oct. 12, 2018.

The 16-year-old had told her dad and stepmother that she was going to a football game at her Bishop, Calif., high school — but they later learned she’d skipped the game to attend a party where she smoked marijuana with friends.

Karlie called home to ask her stepmother, Melissa Gusé, to pick her up, and when Melissa saw Karlie, the teen “looked pale as a ghost,” Melissa tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. Karlie seemed high on drugs, leading her father to believe the marijuana was laced with other substances.

A concerned Melissa sat in Karlie’s room and comforted her as she struggled to go to sleep, but Melissa dozed off around 5;45 a.m., and when she woke up, she realized Karlie had disappeared.

Karlie remains missing to this day, and the mystery of her disappearance is the subject of next Monday’s episode of People Magazine Investigates, titled “The Strange Disappearance of Karlie Gusé,” which airs on Investigation Discovery and streams on Max Monday, Aug. 7, at 9/8c. (An exclusive clip is shown below.)

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

'Every Day We’re Still Looking': Family of Missing Karlie Gusé Hasn’t Given Up Hope that She’s Alive

Karlie Gusé, then 16, vanished from her home in Mono County, Calif., in 2018

people.com

'Every Day We’re Still Looking': Family of Missing Karlie Gusé Hasn’t Given Up Hope that She’s Alive​

The disappearance of Karlie Gusé has baffled investigators ever since the 16-year-old left her California home in the early morning hours of Oct. 13, 2018.

The night before, Karlie had been out partying with friends, and seemed disoriented when she came home. Her father, Zac Gusé, suspected the marijuana she admitted smoking had been laced with another drug. Her stepmother, Melissa Gusé, made an audio recording of Karlie to play for her when she started acting normally again, to show the teen how the drugs had impacted her.

But she never got the opportunity. That morning, while a concerned Melissa dozed off after spending hours in Karlie’s room with her, Karlie left the family's rural Mono County home and never returned.

After she left home, Karlie was last seen by witnesses walking south approximately 30 yards east of Highway 6 and 100 yards south of Sierra View Road. But since then, there has been no trace of the teen who loved to spend time with her brothers and watch scary movies.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

If anyone is interested and you don't have Investigation Discovery, you can buy the episode for $1.99 on Amazon Prime Video. (Make sure to click on the right episode.)
Looks like it's also available on YouTube TV and Sling.

Watch People Magazine Investigates - Season 7 | Prime Video

The heart-wrenching true stories behind crimes that transcended headlines and became part of popular culture are uncovered. Exclusive, first-hand interviews reveal shocking twists, new evidence and unexpected resolutions.

www.amazon.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

If anyone is interested and you don't have Investigation Discovery, you can buy the episode for $1.99 on Amazon Prime Video. (Make sure to click on the right episode.)
Looks like it's also available on YouTube TV and Sling.

Watch People Magazine Investigates - Season 7 | Prime Video

The heart-wrenching true stories behind crimes that transcended headlines and became part of popular culture are uncovered. Exclusive, first-hand interviews reveal shocking twists, new evidence and unexpected resolutions.

www.amazon.com

I'm interested but whether I'll get the time or remember is another story. Interested on people's takes though on it.

It's so great there are other options these days versus cable, etc.

 

[Mel70]

If anyone is interested and you don't have Investigation Discovery, you can buy the episode for $1.99 on Amazon Prime Video. (Make sure to click on the right episode.)
Looks like it's also available on YouTube TV and Sling.

Watch People Magazine Investigates - Season 7 | Prime Video

The heart-wrenching true stories behind crimes that transcended headlines and became part of popular culture are uncovered. Exclusive, first-hand interviews reveal shocking twists, new evidence and unexpected resolutions.

www.amazon.com

I'm watching it right now on "ID".

 

[Mel70]

She called her stepmother frantic on the road to pick her up. She was supposed to be at a high school football game. She didn't go. She had smoked pot. There is no mention of it being laced. She got back home. It seems she just had paranoia from it because she wasn't use to the effects. She was gone in the morning without her cell phone. A witness, A neighbor said they saw her on the road about 6:30.

 

[Mel70]

She had on different clothes. Holding a piece of paper. That's weird.

 

[Mel70]

She was at the party 6-8. Doorbell cam footage. She is walking out on her own. No assistance.

 

[Mel70]

Her stepmother is suspicious. She posted videos to Facebook. One she said she didn't think she was in the desert. Why would you say that so fast?. She had changed her story. Admitted she led. Said because she didn't want to hamper the investigation. But Karlie was seen by a neighbor. IDK yet.

 

[Mel70]

LE Took the drug paraphernalia from the party. It was tested. Nothing was detected but marijuana. Her birth mother thinks she may have had an adverse reaction to marijuana and died. No.

 

[Mel70]

OMG! A quote shown by Jonestown.