CA KARLIE GUSE: Missing from Chalfant Valley, Mono Co., CA - 13 October 2018 - Age 16

• Date of Birth 05/13/2002
• Age 16 years old
• Height and Weight 5'7, 110 pounds
• Clothing/Jewelry Description A white t-shirt, gray sweatpants or jeans, and Vans shoes.
• Distinguishing Characteristics Caucasian female. Blonde hair, blue eyes. Karlie's left nostril is pierced.

Karlie was last seen walking towards Highway 6 after leaving her residence in the White Mountain Estates area of Chalfant, California on October 13, 2018. Her stepmother saw her lying awake at 5:48 a.m., and went to sleep in the same room. Between 7:15 and 7:30 a.m., she woke up, and realized Karlie was gone.

There were no indications of forced entry to the home. She left all her belongings behind, including her cellular phone, eyeglasses and money, and has never been heard from again.

The night before her disappearance, Karlie came home after an evening out with friends and admitted to her parents that she had smoked marijuana. She seemed anxious and paranoid, and in her final text to her boyfriend she said the marijuana had been laced. It's possible she was still disoriented from the effects of the drug at the time she went missing.

Karlie and her father and stepmother had only recently moved to Chalfant, and she has relatives in Yerington, Nevada, 160 miles away. Her biological mother fears she may have had an overdose on the night of her disappearance, while her stepmother says she thinks Karlie was abducted.

Her case is being investigated as a simple missing person due to lack of evidence of a crime.

Karlie Lain Guse – The Charley Project

KARLIE LAIN GUSÉ | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Mono County, California October 13, 2018

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KARLIE GUSE has been missing from the Bishop, California area known as "Chalfant Valley" since October of 2018. She was only 16 years old!

Karlie Lain Gusé, a then 16-year-old female, was reported missing by her family on the morning of October 13, 2018. Karlie was seen by her family at their residence in the White Mountain Estates area of Chalfant Valley in Mono County...

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[Regina]

There's only a couple of roads that go up to the White Mountains that would be convenient.

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The neighborhood where she was last seen is called White Mountain Estates, which is south of there and on the east side of hwy 6.

 

[Kimster]

The neighborhood where she was last seen is called White Mountain Estates, which is south of there and on the east side of hwy 6.

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Oohhhh... I never knew that before! I don't remember that place at all. Still in Chalfant Valley, but further from the highway and even more remote.

 

[Regina]

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Oohhhh... I never knew that before! I don't remember that place at all. Still in Chalfant Valley, but further from the highway and even more remote.

Indeed!
Info re the last reported sighting has her in the field, 30 yards east of hwy 6 and 100 yards south of the road into the neighborhood.

 

[Mel70]

Just saw this, almost missed it because I just can't keep up these days. Thanks for giving a play by play from watching it.

I can't help it, I am on the stepmom but for reasons and just base instinct. The neighbor is the fly in the ointment but even with him, I think she could well have been gone after or came back home even. I have a lot of reasons and have probably stated them previously over time in this thread but can't do it right now or bring all of it together to say why in a longer post (ya know I don't do long posts lol).

I think it was @Regina in one case thread or another that said how eyewitnesses are the least reliable, etc. And I can think of case after case that it is someone claiming to have seen something that is the ONLY thing that sends the case away from the obvious.

OR the neighbor truly did see her but again someone went after her just as they picked her up from the "party" she was at rather than the football game she was supposed to be at.

I also look at the overall family situation and other things that again, just can't go into right now but even what you said from watching this, the stepmom lied...

She left the party with her boyfriend and his friend. She soon bolted and called her stepmother in a panic. She was on a street. She was freaking out. Her stepmother picked her up and brought her home.

 

[Mel70]

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Oohhhh... I never knew that before! I don't remember that place at all. Still in Chalfant Valley, but further from the highway and even more remote.

It looks like it was just plopped down in the middle of the desert. They showed an overhead, Kind of far away view.

 

[GrandmaBear]

She left the party with her boyfriend and his friend. She soon bolted and called her stepmother in a panic. She was on a street. She was freaking out. Her stepmother picked her up and brought her home.

yeah I know. that all again comes from stepmom right? all from when stepmom picked her up to through the night mostly comes from her right up to the point she found her gone...

i have wondered at times about the bf and party people too. i mean she hadn't lived there long right? so how well did she know the bf and what kind of dude was he? or his friends?

any chance she could have called him to come pick her up? etc.

 

[Regina]

yeah I know. that all again comes from stepmom right?

No, as I understand it, it's what the boyfriend told the stepmother sometime later that night.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No, as I understand it, it's what the boyfriend told the stepmother sometime later that night.

you mean the part about her leaving with him and a friend and bolting he told stepmom? Because of course from that point on she would know she called her and she picked her up, etc. and that all came from her is what I meant.

I've had suspicion in this case of the bf too but all the hours after she was mostly with the stepmom. Although I have wondered if she couldn't have reached him or someone and they picked her up...

Things I don't think are known, at least that I recall and I've always wondered, she hadn't lived there long and how did she meet this guy and he become her bf etc. She'd have been a new kid in a new school and pretty vulnerable imo and glad to make any friends or connect with the wrong guy or group. Dad and stepmom had lived there longer. Why again? Did one of them have relations there or come from there originally or some such or was it job related?

That's what I hate about cases that get sadly stale and so many new ones since, I can't always bring to mind the details I knew when they come up again.

 

[Regina]

you mean the part about her leaving with him and a friend and bolting he told stepmom?

Yes, and off and on during that night Karlie continued to exhibit paranoid behaviors, right?
Now, the stepmother and father knew she was under the influence but (I think) obviously believed that in time, she'd be fine.

I've had suspicion in this case of the bf too but all the hours after she was mostly with the stepmom.

I know the stepmom lied to Dateline but (seriously) so what? I don't believe she lied to authorities or in any way tried to mislead the investigation.
And about her having recorded Karlie, to me, it's understandable why she did that and therefore clear that her intention was good.

Things I don't think are known, at least that I recall and I've always wondered, she hadn't lived there long and how did she meet this guy and he become her bf etc.

I don't know anything about the boyfriend except that she was with him earlier that day/eve.
My impression's been that they'd moved out to that neighborhood two months prior, although I'm actually not sure whether it was the whole family or just Karlie. The only info I'm aware of is that at some point after her parent's divorce, Karlie didn't want to move with her mother to Arizona and so she chose to live with her father.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes, and off and on during that night Karlie continued to exhibit paranoid behaviors, right?
Now, the stepmother and father knew she was under the influence but (I think) obviously believed that in time, she'd be fine.

I know the stepmom lied to Dateline but (seriously) so what? I don't believe she lied to authorities or in any way tried to mislead the investigation.
And about her having recorded Karlie, to me, it's understandable why she did that and therefore clear that her intention was good.

I don't know anything about the boyfriend except that she was with him earlier that day/eve.
My impression's been that they'd moved out to that neighborhood two months prior, although I'm actually not sure whether it was the whole family or just Karlie. The only info I'm aware of is that at some point after her parent's divorce, Karlie didn't want to move with her mother to Arizona and so she chose to live with her father.

Well yeah, but that doesn't mean she couldn't have been given something before leaving home and/or after getting home either. Not saying it is likely but am saying it is possible and that's IF it was drug induced paranoia. No one else at the party had such an effect right?

What is it again she lied about? Sorry to ask but it doesn't come to mind right now.

As far as her recording Karlie, yeah it's understandable and a great excuse for it for a child that then didn't go missing on a night you were watching over her at that one moment or few that you fell asleep and where you are the one who recorded her. Then it starts to look more like a possible alibi, see she was messed up, see she probably took off all messed up on her own...

Wasn't there something about she wouldn't eat supper with the family when brought home with her dad, stepmom and their two kids or some such. And something about a salad? Paranoid about the food at home?

I quite honestly don't believe she went missing or was not caught up with or picked up by someone known. I may be right and may be wrong but it's just where the case and instinct takes me.

Yeah none of them had been there long I know that, and she hadn't been with them long if I recall. All of that makes me feel even with the boyfriend and whoever was at he party, she could have certainly been being played or targeted. Hard to say. BUT she made it home and it was stepmom from then on out. However, if for any reason the party goers got worried about the drugs and what she was claiming and she had any contact with bf after, etc. or stepmom did, and I believe that was the case, wasn't it? Maybe he talked her into meeting up but then still stepmom conveniently fell asleep...

Other than one eyewitness who we know little about there just is no reason to even believe she left home imo. Jmo though.

 

[Regina]

What is it again she lied about? Sorry to ask but it doesn't come to mind right now.

Below is a link to an article re the Dateline episode.

Sixteen-year-old Karlie Gusé missing after vanishing from California home

Karlie Gusé was last seen in the early morning hours of October 13, 2018 at her home in Chalfant, California. The Mono County Sheriff’s Office is investigating her disappearance.

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[GrandmaBear]

Below is a link to an article re the Dateline episode.

Sixteen-year-old Karlie Gusé missing after vanishing from California home

Karlie Gusé was last seen in the early morning hours of October 13, 2018 at her home in Chalfant, California. The Mono County Sheriff’s Office is investigating her disappearance.

www.nbcnews.com

Several things surprised me in this one and that is that she lived with them for a lot more years than I thought or was it with dad, I would have to reread, when did he and stepmom marry but I think with them. Also when they moved she stayed in her own school district. I don't know why I had it in my head this was all new and a change for her and that she had recently been living with her mom. I have followed this case off and on for years, where did I get that? If that's all true, it changes the opinion I've held somewhat or MIGHT.

But then to stepmom's lies... You don't see it as a big deal you said but I do and don't understand why not? It would be one thing for a two year old to go missing in broad daylight that parents should be watching, etc. and maybe you'd lie if you weren't or some such but even then I don't understand that either as their SOLE focus should be accurate info so they can be found. With a teenager, there is REALLY no reason to lie, as they are well known or many do run away, take off, etc. So WHY the lie? She screwed up the entire timeline. And again you don't lie as you want them FOUND. How can you look at cameras or anything if the time frame is wrong... I find that very suspicious.

So her bf and the other kids at the party too, i was thinking these were new friends for her and she was in a new school, place, home, etc. Apparently the school wasn't new or the district wasn't so I take that to mean the school wasn't?

Is this a case where Karlie's mom feels the stepmom is questionable? I thought so but may be mixing it up with the Kyron case or do the moms in both cases feel that about the stepmom? I thought so here but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Regina]

With a teenager, there is REALLY no reason to lie, as they are well known or many do run away, take off, etc. So WHY the lie? She screwed up the entire timeline. And again you don't lie as you want them FOUND. How can you look at cameras or anything if the time frame is wrong...

No, the timeline's the same, that is, when Karlie was last seen in her home (and by whom), didn't change.
As for why lie, I think she didn't want to reveal publicly info she considered to be too personal.

So her bf and the other kids at the party too, i was thinking these were new friends for her and she was in a new school, place, home, etc. Apparently the school wasn't new or the district wasn't so I take that to mean the school wasn't?

I take it that it would have been the same school.
As for party, I've read that the boyfriend took issue with that, that it was no party, it was just a few friends over at another friend's house.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No, the timeline's the same, that is, when Karlie was last seen in her home (and by whom), didn't change.
As for why lie, I think she didn't want to reveal publicly info she considered to be too personal.

I take it that it would have been the same school.
As for party, I've read that the boyfriend took issue with that, that it was no party, it was just a few friends over at another friend's house.

What is too personal about whether you checked on all the kids including her or not when getting up? And no mention in those by the way of her spending most of the night with her so that must have come later? They say in the article you share that there basically is no confirmation of last sighting. And that is what bothers me because it's the way it seems, it is not definitive or provable.

Her same school and just a few friends and no one else was this messed up right? I just don't know. She .was picked up by her stepmom and basically spent the night with her. That all is stepmom's account however. Who the hell else can confirm it? Oh yeah she can with her recording.

I just don't know but what I do know is I have absolutely no reason to believe she wandered off and was never found or seen again. There is not enough for me to buy that. She either did not wander off and was killed and disposed of or she took off and someone she knew found her and lost it on her or picked her up. That is my guess and I think the picked her up one as in helping her is the least likely scenario. This lies close to home imo. And I'm not even necessarily centered on the stepmom. The neighbor imo could be the one. But that takes the likelihood of her leaving and him seeing her or being part of something or knowing something...

I don't think for a minute this girl was picked up by some truck driver who just happened to be evil and then never contacted her mom or dad again.

I WONDER what the cops know. What did her social media etc. show? Now that would or could send a person in a different thought. But with what we have, no reason to think so.

 

[Kimster]

Now that I know she lived in a community that has been built way east of highway 6, I don’t think she was picked up by a stranger, either. Unless there is some creep that lives in that little community.

 

[Kimster]

I saw my mom tonight, and I mentioned this case and the new housing development. I say new because my mom said that was not there before. She thought it might’ve been built out where Pillsberry Ranch was, but it’s not in that area either. Now that I see that there is a development over there and that’s where she was, I’m leaning that she walked up those hills and got lost up in the White mountains. Before I used to think it was too far of a walk.

And this is under the premise that a person didn’t have anything to do with her going missing. I’m not saying that can’t be the case, either.

 

[GrandmaBear]

What does Karlie's mom think? I can't recall.

So she in the dark basically walked up into the mountains? I don't picture that. Not saying it couldn't happen but...

And she does so in this window of time stepmom claimed to have fallen asleep? Or Karlie did whatever in that window of time of that claim. The woman lied before. So who is to say anything she shared is the truth? Of course she has the recording for part of the time period.

I don't know. If I recall correctly dad coudln't offer sh*t nor the other kids right? It was all stepmom who was with her, took care of her, picked her up, etc. right? Dad saw her at dinner I think and again there was something about her and the food, or paranoia and something about a salad. Why that sticks with me I don't know but something like that does.

Also do I have this right, other than like the neighbor sighting there wasn't one dog that lit onto a trail, footprints, etc. or any other evidence she'd left home right? I recall something about one shoe print in the hills or mountain or some such but it came from the family or dad I believe. My memory is foggy on all that.

I've never been convinced she left home under her own steam.

I don't like him but one former LE guy (not in this case) has used the phrase in the last few years of I haven't left the house yet. And what that means is there isn't enough to convince what happened did not happen at home and nothing has proved there is any reason to leave the house as to where it happened, etc. as of yet. I haven't left their house yet in this one. If I do consider leaving it, again I think someone caught up with her or she didn't get far. Etc. But for me, I'm still stuck at home and in the house. We KNOW she was there and there is nothing or enough to convince me to leave it.

 

[Kimster]

What does Karlie's mom think? I can't recall.

So she in the dark basically walked up into the mountains? I don't picture that. Not saying it couldn't happen but...

And she does so in this window of time stepmom claimed to have fallen asleep? Or Karlie did whatever in that window of time of that claim. The woman lied before. So who is to say anything she shared is the truth? Of course she has the recording for part of the time period.

I don't know. If I recall correctly dad coudln't offer sh*t nor the other kids right? It was all stepmom who was with her, took care of her, picked her up, etc. right? Dad saw her at dinner I think and again there was something about her and the food, or paranoia and something about a salad. Why that sticks with me I don't know but something like that does.

Also do I have this right, other than like the neighbor sighting there wasn't one dog that lit onto a trail, footprints, etc. or any other evidence she'd left home right? I recall something about one shoe print in the hills or mountain or some such but it came from the family or dad I believe. My memory is foggy on all that.

I've never been convinced she left home under her own steam.

I don't like him but one former LE guy (not in this case) has used the phrase in the last few years of I haven't left the house yet. And what that means is there isn't enough to convince what happened did not happen at home and nothing has proved there is any reason to leave the house as to where it happened, etc. as of yet. I haven't left their house yet in this one. If I do consider leaving it, again I think someone caught up with her or she didn't get far. Etc. But for me, I'm still stuck at home and in the house. We KNOW she was there and there is nothing or enough to convince me to leave it.

How dark was it? If it was that dark, then, how did the neighbor see her very well at all? I wish there was a security camera we could watch!

 

[GrandmaBear]

How dark was it? If it was that dark, then, how did the neighbor see her very well at all? I wish I was a security camera we could watch!

Yeah, the dark bothers me and it certainly does as far as her going up any mountain etc. but yes with the neighbor too. And your other post about unless there is some creep in this neighborhood as far as being taken by a stranger and even then she'd have to have actuallly been out there, seen, the person impulsively acted, she landed on their doorstep, etc.

What is known about the neighbor for that matter? Seems to me he was not considered a suspect if I recall but for the life of me I can't recall why if that is the case. Not throwing shade on him as there may be absolutely no reason, I just can't recall what would exclude him.

 

[Regina]

How dark was it? If it was that dark, then, how did the neighbor see her very well at all?

He said he saw her as early as 6:30 am (and the stepmom said he'd told her- at the time- that it was 6:30), which would have been shortly after daybreak.
The stepmom said it was actually two people from the same household who saw her after that and that they also described her with a piece of paper and that as they watched her, she kept looking back at them.
When I consider that info together with the next/last sighting placing her in the field, it appears to me she was avoiding being seen, which is what I'd expect if she was experiencing paranoia.