CA KARLIE GUSE: Missing from Chalfant Valley, Mono Co., CA - 13 October 2018 - Age 16

• Date of Birth 05/13/2002
• Age 16 years old
• Height and Weight 5'7, 110 pounds
• Clothing/Jewelry Description A white t-shirt, gray sweatpants or jeans, and Vans shoes.
• Distinguishing Characteristics Caucasian female. Blonde hair, blue eyes. Karlie's left nostril is pierced.

Karlie was last seen walking towards Highway 6 after leaving her residence in the White Mountain Estates area of Chalfant, California on October 13, 2018. Her stepmother saw her lying awake at 5:48 a.m., and went to sleep in the same room. Between 7:15 and 7:30 a.m., she woke up, and realized Karlie was gone.

There were no indications of forced entry to the home. She left all her belongings behind, including her cellular phone, eyeglasses and money, and has never been heard from again.

The night before her disappearance, Karlie came home after an evening out with friends and admitted to her parents that she had smoked marijuana. She seemed anxious and paranoid, and in her final text to her boyfriend she said the marijuana had been laced. It's possible she was still disoriented from the effects of the drug at the time she went missing.

Karlie and her father and stepmother had only recently moved to Chalfant, and she has relatives in Yerington, Nevada, 160 miles away. Her biological mother fears she may have had an overdose on the night of her disappearance, while her stepmother says she thinks Karlie was abducted.

Her case is being investigated as a simple missing person due to lack of evidence of a crime.

Karlie Lain Guse – The Charley Project

KARLIE LAIN GUSÉ | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Mono County, California October 13, 2018

www.fbi.gov

KARLIE GUSE has been missing from the Bishop, California area known as "Chalfant Valley" since October of 2018. She was only 16 years old!

Karlie Lain Gusé, a then 16-year-old female, was reported missing by her family on the morning of October 13, 2018. Karlie was seen by her family at their residence in the White Mountain Estates area of Chalfant Valley in Mono County...

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[Mel70]

Well, I don't have a strong opinion about her disappearance. If the neighbor saw her with a piece of paper. I don't know what to make of that. So she was meeting someone for some reason. That would be the only reason for that I can think of.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, I don't have a strong opinion about her disappearance. If the neighbor saw her with a piece of paper. I don't know what to make of that. So she was meeting someone for some reason. That would be the only reason for that I can think of.

Just saw this, almost missed it because I just can't keep up these days. Thanks for giving a play by play from watching it.

I can't help it, I am on the stepmom but for reasons and just base instinct. The neighbor is the fly in the ointment but even with him, I think she could well have been gone after or came back home even. I have a lot of reasons and have probably stated them previously over time in this thread but can't do it right now or bring all of it together to say why in a longer post (ya know I don't do long posts lol).

I think it was @Regina in one case thread or another that said how eyewitnesses are the least reliable, etc. And I can think of case after case that it is someone claiming to have seen something that is the ONLY thing that sends the case away from the obvious.

OR the neighbor truly did see her but again someone went after her just as they picked her up from the "party" she was at rather than the football game she was supposed to be at.

I also look at the overall family situation and other things that again, just can't go into right now but even what you said from watching this, the stepmom lied...

 

[GrandmaBear]

I very much appreciate your take on it and everyone who gives updates on cases or summaries of trial days in others, etc.

I asked for it and you came through. You're a sweetie. Albeit a short one.

 

[Regina]

I don’t know if you remember this, but I grew up in that area, and my aunt and uncle built/owned a home where Karlie was living in Chalfant Valley.

Yes, it is rural, but it’s also a Highway and it’s not like cars don’t go down there on a regular basis, as it’s the fastest way to go to Nevada and gamble as well as get to Fallon. But they go irregular enough that early in the morning, a stranger could have found the opportunity without witnesses and picked her up. I’m not saying that’s what I think happened because I think she more likely was disoriented and got lost in the elements, but I certainly don’t dismiss a stranger picking her up when they found an opportunity.

Yeah, I understand that there would have been very little traffic, which to me, lessens the probability, but it appears it would have been a relatively immediate and short-lived opportunity, since there are no other reported sightings beyond that one near the hwy.
Of course, it shouldn't be dismissed that that's what happened, I think it's just not probable that it did.

 

[Regina]

I think it was @Regina in one case thread or another that said how eyewitnesses are the least reliable, etc. And I can think of case after case that it is someone claiming to have seen something that is the ONLY thing that sends the case away from the obvious.

OR the neighbor truly did see her but again someone went after her just as they picked her up from the "party" she was at rather than the football game she was supposed to be at.

Well in this case, there's no reason to doubt the neighbor's sighting, so there's that. And based on what the neighbor described, Karlie was not in a right state of mind, so there's that, too. (Lol, I was just thinking why is that sounding familiar and I realize it's close to dialogue from the movie, Fargo. lol!!)
Anyway, I don't recall precisely the time of the hwy sighting or when the police were called, do you? I do recall that, according to the same neighbor, it was about a half hour after his sighting that the step-mother came to his door asking about her.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yeah, I understand that there would have been very little traffic, which to me, lessens the probability, but it appears it would have been a relatively immediate and short-lived opportunity, since there are no other reported sightings beyond that one near the hwy.
Of course, it shouldn't be dismissed that that's what happened, I think it's just not probable that it did.

I agree. I don't know what happened, none of us can, but I don't think that explanation is the most likely be a long shot and that guy is the fly in the ointment so to speak. Even if he did see her, it certainly doesn't end there or mean that's where she ended up, as in picked up by a stranger. I think it is the most unlikely of the possible scenarios in fact.

 

[Regina]

I agree. I don't know what happened, none of us can, but I don't think that explanation is the most likely be a long shot and that guy is the fly in the ointment so to speak. Even if he did see her, it certainly doesn't end there or mean that's where she ended up, as in picked up by a stranger. I think it is the most unlikely of the possible scenarios in fact.

Why do you call his sighting "the fly in the ointment"?

 

[Kimster]

Well in this case, there's no reason to doubt the neighbor's sighting, so there's that. And based on what the neighbor described, Karlie was not in a right state of mind, so there's that, too. (Lol, I was just thinking why is that sounding familiar and I realize it's close to dialogue from the movie, Fargo. lol!!)
Anyway, I don't recall precisely the time of the hwy sighting or when the police were called, do you? I do recall that, according to the same neighbor, it was about a half hour after his sighting that the step-mother came to his door asking about her.

I think he said he saw her around 630 and then Melissa showed up at eight. He said he jumped on his two wheeler (or a four wheeler or some thing) and went up the canyon because he has a couple of chairs up there where he likes to shoot down into the canyon. He didn’t see anything.

I don’t think he’s pulling anyone’s leg, I just don’t know if it was Karlie for sure. I lean that it probably was, but he didn’t know her. I’m kind of surprised he didn’t know her because I thought all those people out there know each other, but I don’t remember when Karlie’s dad and stepmom moved out there. I know they hadn’t lived out there for a long long time like my family did. My aunt and uncle knew everybody out there.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well in this case, there's no reason to doubt the neighbor's sighting, so there's that. And based on what the neighbor described, Karlie was not in a right state of mind, so there's that, too. (Lol, I was just thinking why is that sounding familiar and I realize it's close to dialogue from the movie, Fargo. lol!!)
Anyway, I don't recall precisely the time of the hwy sighting or when the police were called, do you? I do recall that, according to the same neighbor, it was about a half hour after his sighting that the step-mother came to his door asking about her.

No there isn't any reason to doubt it but I also don't find any real reason to believe it. But assuming it is true, it still doesn't tell what happened from there. Fargo, there ya go lol. Now that's quite the movie

So the stepmother came to his door after that...??? Not sure I knew that or did I? THAT makes it more unreliable imo. Why? Was he the only neighbor? Was he one that stepmom thought she might go to? Is he someone they or stepmom knew well? Is he one that stepmom may have worried what all he saw meaning Karlie, herself, anyone else, etc.?

I saw your next response before I saw this one so I'll answer that here too.

I call him the fly in the ointment because it is only this eyewitness that means Karlie left at all. It is only this eyewitness that leads everyone on earth in that direction. And I tagged you because you talked of eyewitnesses in some thread about being the least reliable direct evidence, etc. In Kyron's case I believe, you discount the eyewitnesses a lot and in this one you don't or where are you with it?

As you say here, you see no reason to doubt his sighting but in Kyron's you are the opposite and there are many more that claim to have seen stepmom with him, etc.

And both cases involve stepmoms.

I think we may be in Fargo lol. Or maybe I am.

 

[GrandmaBear]

If Karlie left, imo stepmom caught up with her.

I don't expect agreement but I find that the most logical and likely scenario.

If she didn't leave, then I also find stepmom the most likely scenario.

Karlie was the fly in stepmom's ointment/life.

Sorry but that's how I see it. Always have.

Her lies and her recording are plenty on their own but there's much more.

 

[Regina]

I think he said he saw her around 630 and then Melissa showed up at eight. He said he jumped on his two wheeler (or a four wheeler or some thing) and went up the canyon because he has a couple of chairs up there where he likes to shoot down into the canyon. He didn’t see anything.

I don’t think he’s pulling anyone’s leg, I just don’t know if it was Karlie for sure. I lean that it probably was, but he didn’t know her. I’m kind of surprised he didn’t know her because I thought all those people out there know each other, but I don’t remember when Karlie’s dad and stepmom moved out there. I know they hadn’t lived out there for a long long time like my family did. My aunt and uncle knew everybody out there.

Thanks for refreshing my memory as to his info.
As for him not knowing- or even recognizing Karlie, the only way I can imagine being surprised is if he were also a teenager.
Anyway, as I understand the info, there are two independent reported sightings subsequent to his, which to me, shows that her route from home was toward the hwy. Now the stepmother timed it and said it was about a 25 minute walk, which to that, I am actually surprised because looking at the map, it doesn't look like it'd be that far or take that long, lol!

 

[Regina]

And I tagged you because you talked of eyewitnesses in some thread about being the least reliable direct evidence, etc. In Kyron's case I believe, you discount the eyewitnesses a lot and in this one you don't or where are you with it?

As you say here, you see no reason to doubt his sighting but in Kyron's you are the opposite and there are many more that claim to have seen stepmom with him, etc.

In this case, I know of no reason to question the validity of the sighting info but in Kyron's case, indeed, I think there are plenty of reasons to question all of it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

They hadn't lived there all that long and Karlie hadn't been with them very long either had she?

Who was also a teenager or needed to be to be surprised? The neighbor? Maybe I'm just overloaded and tired but not following that one or what is meant at all.

I never had the impression the highway was 25 minutes and if that is the case, I find it more unlikely than ever that she got there.

So it was the neighbor who shot guns down into the canyon and had chairs and the first thought was to check there? Why? Did Karlie know of it and was apt to go up there?

Some of this maybe I've known before or heard but if so, I can't recall.

 

[GrandmaBear]

In this case, I know of no reason to question the validity of the sighting info but in Kyron's case, indeed, I think there are plenty of reasons to question all of it.

Yet there are more people who claim to have seen them. Just that fact alone to me makes it more unlikely all are lying or mistaken.

I'm not trying to start anything, I just find it interesting you look at each in a different way and yet that case has more "witnesses". And far more people, at least here, are pretty sure the answer lies with his stepmom which isn't as true in this case, not many or anyone says as much, in that one they come right out and do say they feel that way.

 

[Regina]

I'm not trying to start anything, I just find it interesting you look at each in a different way and yet that case has more "witnesses". And far more people, at least here, are pretty sure the answer lies with his stepmom which isn't as true in this case, not many or anyone says as much, in that one they come right out and do say they feel that way.

Well, have you ever heard that even when all experts agree, they could still be wrong? Lol!

 

[Kimster]

They hadn't lived there all that long and Karlie hadn't been with them very long either had she?

Who was also a teenager or needed to be to be surprised? The neighbor? Maybe I'm just overloaded and tired but not following that one or what is meant at all.

I never had the impression the highway was 25 minutes and if that is the case, I find it more unlikely than ever that she got there.

So it was the neighbor who shot guns down into the canyon and had chairs and the first thought was to check there? Why? Did Karlie know of it and was apt to go up there?

Some of this maybe I've known before or heard but if so, I can't recall.

There's only a couple of roads that go up to the White Mountains that would be convenient.

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[GrandmaBear]

Well, have you ever heard that even when all experts agree, they could still be wrong? Lol!

Well we rarely agree and you take my by total surprise the rare time we do. LOL. It keeps it interesting, that's for sure.

 

[GrandmaBear]

There's only a couple of roads that go up to the White Mountains that would be convenient.

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Wow does that pic look unpopulated and desolate. I can see why everyone one would think would know each other and rely on each other. IF it is as that pic comes across.

 

[Kimster]

Wow does that pic look unpopulated and desolate. I can see why everyone one would think would know each other and rely on each other. IF it is as that pic comes across.

It is very desolate out there. The City of Los Angeles owns most of the land there to maintain water rights, so there isn't much growth. As mentioned before, there is trucker and traveler traffic on Highway 6.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It is very desolate out there. The City of Los Angeles owns most of the land there to maintain water rights, so there isn't much growth. As mentioned before, there is trucker and traveler traffic on Highway 6.

Yeah I do recall it wasn't overly populated but the pic just hit home as to how much so I think. It only lends to my opinion.

I don't discount the wrong person could have come across her and picked her up but I consider it extremely unlikely. Even with all we hear about following crime, etc. not necessarily one of the few traveling down that highway are someone who would just decide to rape, kidnap or kill and on a dime/spur of the moment. Most people value their freedom and are good or normal people despite what we think. I find it VERY unlikely. And it would just all have to coincide, oh look at that, here's this girl, look at my luck...

I also don't believe she wandered off and died. There is no evidence right of her being messed up from drugs at the party? She allegedly was once with stepmom picked up and at home. Do I have that right?

Either way, she was brought home and got home and was attended to most of the night by stepmom who recorded almost like doing an alibi. And to "prove" she was messed up.

Dad really should have been more present here.

I'm going with likelihoods but it isn't only that. It's the lies. It's the recording. It's who picked her up. It's who was with her all night but then boy when she fell asleep look what happened...

To me it is the most likely scenario because of ALL OF IT.