LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *GUILTY*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]



Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]

Murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German - Wikipedia

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On Feb 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams & Liberty German were discovered in Delphi, #INDIANA. The suspect in their deaths is awaiting trial.

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant, though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." Even with a lot of media coverage, their murders remain unsolved.

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[GrandmaBear]

So obvious the dynamics of KA and RA and in these many phone calls... By the way Tom notes in all he sounds normal, not psychotic, pressured and is just trying to tell her he did it (my words) but paraphrased closely.

Defense and trial not over yet but it is for me. WE've seen all the defense b.s. already and if they have something new that's all it will be, maybe attacking the investigation and screw ups but th P has already pretty much faced and shown that all haven't they? Yup.

With a true and good and responsible jury he is toast.

And I don't have the words for this, but I think he wants to be but no one would let him...

I'm also sorry to say this but this is one messed up family. I think it's always been seen and noticed what he is but it's been ingored and denied, where even if he TRIES to tell his mom or wife of anything through his life he is met with no, of course not , you did not dear... It is VERY interesting to me he talked to his stepdad in the wee hours who maybe lives the same life with for instance his mother, stepdad's wife who he does by the way refer to as dad and asked his wife if she had heard from or talked to him... I'm thinking stepdad believed it and got it but knew th women wouldn't listen... JMO...

I'll probably be listening to Tom for awhile yet and am not giving all and every comment but RA knows. And Anya ct otherwise is for his wife, mom, etc... His attorneys even, he almost blew their big case... NO ONE WILL LET THE MAN confess! He is doing what THEY want because he cares about them but imo he in some sick way, and as she said, is happier than he has ever been in his life! Yes, he said that.

Not sure how much news reported of some of this.

And honestly, I don't think it's going to come down to a box cutter or even the bullet. His own words are going to take the day but all put together it will take over the day entirely.

For me, I don't think there is any magic thing the D can offer. I mean they can try with the jury I guess who arguably don't know as much about the case before trial...

As much as I love Tom's coverage I am not going to try to keep up on the D thing if he stays or the D in general unless some "big miracle evidence" appears. This case is LOCKED so long s the jurors are all logical, reasonable and have some smarts.

And I hate to say It but right now I have more issues in SOME ways with his mother and KA/wife than I do with him. No one checked him way back when imo... When he needed to be checked. Stopped. Reversed. Helped.

And that is NOT sympathy for him. He has lived in a world of where those around him hide it, cover it, deny it and so no, you didn't...

I'm sorry but KA needs some SERIOUS help herself.

For me there is a picture coming about that I suspected but is all showing now...

Tom has so much more detail, without opining even... To take away with your own brain yourself and put together...

 

[Tresir]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

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Posted: Nov 1, 2024 / 09:02 AM EST / Updated: Nov 1, 2024 / 04:16 PM EST
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Day 13 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen began Friday morning at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi.
Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail “Abby” Williams and 14-year-old Liberty “Libby” German. The girls’ bodies were found near the Monon High Bridge near Delphi on Feb. 14, 2017, a day after they went missing.
Allen was first investigated in 2017 and again in October 2022. After a second police interview, he was taken into custody.
The trial began Oct. 18 and was expected to continue through mid-November. Originally, 16 Allen County residents sat as the jury on the case, but one juror was dismissed on Oct. 25.
Tune into News 8 and follow our live blog throughout the day for the latest developments.
NOTE: The times listed in the blog headers are the times which the entries were added. Specific times for courtroom events will be listed in the entries if available. These notes are compiled from photographs of written notes provided by reporters in courtroom and emailed to the WISH-TV news desk.
For a brief summary of Day 12 in the Delphi Murders trial (Thursday), scroll to the bottom of the page.
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3:09 P.M. Testimony from defense witnesses.​

Court is back in session at 1:05 p.m.
At 1:10 p.m. the defense called Brad Heath.
Heath tells the jury he lives just outside Delphi and is 70 years old. He worked for Reliable Exterminators and retired 5 years ago.
Heath says he managed company business for the Delphi area and surrounding spots. He describes doing a job at a company called Anderson’s and the scans of the building he did on Feb. 13, 2017. His last scan was at 2:06 p.m.
Defense attorney Brad Rozzi hands Heath a report he requested that shows what Heath did that day at that stop. The report refers to Heath seeing a vehicle at 8:45 a.m. the morning of the murders. He noticed it was in the same location that afternoon. Heath said the car was half-way down the road near the CPS building, parked about two feet off the road.
Heath said it was an older car and looked out of place. He said he went to law enforcement a week after the crimes to tell them after he realized what happened. Heath said he talked to law enforcement a few times over the years at his own prompting.
Heath said he recently spoke to law enforcement about having seen a car that looked like it was “in a movie.” He says the car was a 4-door that looked like it was from the 80’s or 90’s. He said he was 150-250 yards away when he saw it. The defense shows a photo of the car.
Heath said he had no recollection of cars being in the CPS lot or not. He said he saw different angles of the same car at different points throughout the day.
The prosecution had no questions for Heath.
At 1:28 p.m. the defense called David McCain. McCain said he lives just outside of Delphi. He says he has lived there 20 years and is 79 years old. McCain says he is a long-time volunteer and was a project manager for the Monon High Bridge Trail.
McCain tells the jury he went to the bridge many times as a child and started planning to develop the trail in 2013. He said he’s walked the bridge many times and was out there just a month ago.
McCain said he was on the trail and bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. He said he got to the trails around 2 or 3 p.m. and parked at the Mears entrance. He said he saw no other cars there and walked to the high bridge. He said he took photos and walked just the beginning of the bridge. McCain said the bridge is 65 feet above the water and you can see it clearly below.
He tells the jury he used a camera, not a phone, to take photos that day. He said he did that for less than a half hour. McCain said he saw a couple while there, he said it could have been before or after he went to the bridge. He said there may have been people off in the distance that he saw, but only passed the couple.
McCain said he left before 4 p.m. He said he was surprised at the number of people at the Mears entrance when he returned to his car.
McCain tells the jury he did not see pedestrians on 300N when he left. He said “someone shouted to me, ‘have you seen the girls?’” when he was leaving the entrance.
He said that evening he was at a community meeting and some “emergency people” said they were investigating missing kids. McCain said he became concerned about the girls and called the sheriff’s office to say he was there that day.
McCain said two FBI agents and one ISP agent came to his house and interviewed him. He said he gave them the photos from his camera and “SIM” card.
He said two or three years later he was called and asked if he had seen a certain car in the distance of his photos. McCain said he never got his “SIM” card back.
At 1:50 p.m. the state began their cross-examination.
Prosecutor James Luttrell shows McCain a document of an FBI interview. Defense attorney Andrew Baldwin objects, saying it is improper.
Judge Gull allows McCain to look at the document. Luttrell asks him if he left at 4 p.m. or shortly after. He says yes.
McCain says the man shouting at him that day was a pretty large man in a “bright orange jacket.” He said something like “have you seen the girls?” in a concerned way.
At 2:05 p.m. the defense called former Delphi Fire Chief Darrell Sterrett. This is the 8th witness for the defense.
Sterrett says he grew up in Delphi and graduated in 1985. He has been a firefighter for 36 years. He was the Fire Chief on Feb. 13, 2017.
Sterrett said he was at the station house around 6 that night because there was a training even. He said that word came in that two girls were missing.
He said he went to the Carroll County Sheriff’s office, where joint command had been set up. Sterrett said they tried to figure out where they were and sent people to search for them.
He tells the jury that they were directing the search through dispatch and that Mullin and Lazenby were in charge of the search.
Sterrett is shown a document that kept track of where firefighters, cadets and officers were that day. He said they are an entirely volunteer department but everyone was at the station that day because of the training event.
Sterrett tells the jury they were notified about the girls at 7:01 p.m. He said he left to go to unified command at 7:10 p.m. He says about six of the volunteer firefighters were at the bridge that night, around 9:30 p.m. He took his personal vehicle and the volunteer firefighters took two firetrucks.
Sterrett said he entered the trails off of 625W and drove to the “end of it” and parked. He said there were houses on the left. He said he parked in someone’s yard. He said one vehicle drove up to the bridge, but the others walked.
Sterrett tells the jury that they needed the search to be “boots on the ground.” He said he thought the girls were scared and cold. “It was not an organized grid type search” he said.
He says the searchers were separated by varying amounts of distance. He said they stayed more “southwest of the bridge, only on the east side a bit.”
Sterrett said he left the scene around 1:30 a.m. or 2 a.m. on Feb. 14, 2017. Sterrett corrects himself and says he left at 2:30 a.m. on Feb. 14.
Sterrett said he ordered a search north, south, east and west of the bridge. In a deposition he said there may have been higher intensity lights from vehicles, but he is not sure.
He says the night was very dark, that the firefighters were using department issued flashlights, which had a spot or flood setting. He said someone may have shined a light on Deer Creek to check for the girls.
Sterrett told the jury that nobody from his team saw anything floating in the creek and did not hear anyone shout out saying they saw anything.
He said he could hear people during the search.
The prosecution does not cross-examine.
The jury asks two questions:
“How long ago did you give your deposition? Did you get a copy at that time?” Sterrett replies that it was three weeks ago and it was mailed to him.
“Did you search the area southeast of the cemetery?” He replied “I did not personally.”
Court is in recess at 2:55 p.m.

12:41 p.m. Defense request for witness to appear remotely.​

The defense has filed a motion today requesting an FBI Special Agent be allowed to testify remotely. They want Adam Pohl, who is currently working in San Antonio Texas to testify. They say he is a necessary witness for the defense and that his testimony and his testimony will only take 30 minutes.
Pohl is currently the election crime coordinator for the FBI San Antonio, Texas division.
The defense says it is extremely difficult for Pohl to appear in person given his current job responsibilities pertinent to the November 5th election. He was previously assigned to Indiana.
That motion can be viewed below.
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12:25 P.M. Court in session, more discussion of surveillance videos.​

At 11:31 a.m. court is back in session. Defense intern Max Baker is back on the stand. The defense immediately requests a sidebar. The sidebar lasts 10 minutes before the jury is back in the courtroom.
Baker tells the jury there is an issue with the security and camcorder videos of Allen because the prosecution provided them to the defense without the needed time stamps.
Rozzi says “we are dealing with what we were given by the state.”
Judge Gull tells the jury that they will break for lunch until 1 p.m.
Court is in recess at 11:52 a.m.

11:31 a.m. Court back in session, discussion of surveillance videos of Allen.​

At 10:40, court is back in session. There is an immediate sidebar, then the jury enters.
At 10:46 the defense calls Max Baker, who is an intern who works for the defense. He is a graduate of IU and has worked on the case since Nov. 2022.
He tells the jury he heard Harsman’s testimony. Reporter notes that at this point Allen’s wife Kathy leaves the courtroom with three others.
Baker testifies that he has reviewed most of Allen’s phone calls and videos from Westville. He says he was asked to compile video of Allen at Westville and put it on a flash drive. The prosecution is continually objecting.
Baker says the video was given to the prosecution as part of the discovery. He says there are two main video formats, camcorder video and security camera video. The camcorder video is video outside of Allen’s cell and the security video is inside Allen’s cell. The camcorder video has sound, the security video does not.
Baker tells the jury the camcorder video did not have a time stamp, it was just put in folders with general timeline information. He says he tried to piece it together as best as possible.
He explains that the in-cell video on the flash drive is from the 15th of every month from Nov. 2022 to Dec. 2023, aside from April to July of 2023 where there is more video than just on the 15th.
The defense asks to admit the video. The also show spreadsheets that explain the videos by date and time the video was taken.
The prosecution objects and there is another sidebar.
Court is in recess at 11:10 a.m.

10:35 A.M: Court is in session for Friday.​

At 9:01 a.m. the jury entered the courtroom and court is back in session. Judge gull tells defense attorney Brad Rozzi that they will chat about his motions he’s filed on transports during the lunch break.
Gull says the jury has once again had supervised contact with their electronic devices.
The defense calls Christopher Gootee and the state immediately calls for a sidebar. The sidebar lasts 9 minutes.
Gootee tells the jury he is a Hammond, Ind. police officer and has background as an EMT. He says he has training in interviewing witnesses and suspects.
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asks him about the importance of correctly documenting interviews. Gootee says he was with an FBI gang response task force or GRIT. They focused on kidnappings.
Gootee tells the jury that GRIT assisted with the Delphi investigation by canvassing neighborhoods and conducting interviews. He says he worked on the investigation for over a week.
Gootee says he spoke to Brad Weber during the investigation. Auger asks Gootee what Weber said about where he went after work on February 13, 2017.
Auger asks Gootee what an FBI 302 is, Gootee says it is a report from an interview. Auger shows him an exhibit, which is an FBI 302 report from his interview with Weber.
Gootee says he spoke to Weber on Feb. 19, 2017. He tells the jury that he doesn’t know what Weber said, despite looking at his own report. Auger finishes her questions, the state does not cross-examine.
At 9:27 a.m. the defense calls Dr. Deanna Dwenger. Dwenger tells the jury that she oversees the Department of Behavioral Health at the Indiana Department of Corrections. She says she has been director of the department since 2021.
Dwenger says that her main job is to oversee the IDOC’s contract with the contractor who actually does the employing for the IDOC’s behavioral staff.
Dwenger tells the jury that she generally knows who Richard Allen is. She confirms that Allen was transferred out of the Westville Correctional Facility. She says the solitary units at Westville and the Wabash Valley Correctional Facility are similar.
She says she has not personally met Allen and did not make the decision to move him and does not know who did.
Dwenger says that Dr. Monica Wala, the assigned psychologist for Allen, told her after she was assigned to Allen that she had a special interest.
Dwenger tells the jury that Wala told her about listening to Delphi podcasts and recommended it to her in early 2023. Reporter note: (Allen went to Westville at the end of 2022.)
Dwenger says she knew that Wala had visited the Monon High Bridge, but says it was before being assigned to Allen.
Dwenger tells the jury she thought it was unusual to visit the crime scene of someone you work with, but said that Wala talked to her direct supervisor about the issue more.
The state requests another sidebar about the use of the words “crime scene.”
Dwenger tells the jury she is familiar with Dr. Martin and that he is a psychiatrist and administers medication. She says Dr. Martin is no longer working at the IDOC.
She says Allen was assessed in Indianapolis and was assigned a “D” code in mental health. She explains that a “D” code means a person that would benefit from a specific and personal therapy treatment plan.
Dwenger tells the jury she doesn’t know if there’s ever been safekeepers in either Westville or Wabash Valley. She says she doesn’t know why he was assigned there. She says she knew there was video (cameras) in his cell and that worried her. She said she recommend the video be removed, but it didn’t happen.
Dwenger tells the jury that solitary confinement can impact mental health and that it is not unreasonable to think being in solitary would have a negative impact over time.
She says 30 or more days of solitary happens only if the inmate is severely mentally ill. She tells the jury the 30-day rule exists to keep people from being in there too long.
Dwenger tells the jury that Allen was “gravely disabled.”
She explains the difference between mental health monitoring and mental health treatment. She says treatment is more focused on actual therapeutics. She says that the therapeutic setting at Westville was not idea.
Dwenger confirms she was on a team that discussed Allen’s care, though was not directly treating him. She described herself as a “sounding board” for those who were.
The state requests another sidebar after Rozzi asks Dwenger about solitary confinement for mentally ill patients.
At 9:56 Rozzi ends his questioning and prosecution attorney Stacey Diener begins her cross-examination of Dwenger.
Dwenger confirms Allen was not severely mentally ill and “began to decompensate” until he was in the Westville Correctional Unit. She says he was first contacted about Allen in April of 2023. She says that’s when his core team was formed.
The first contact she describes was coming from Dr. Wala asking if Allen could have a meeting with his wife. Dwenger tells the jury that at that point Wala told her that Allen was faking it.
Dwenger tells the jury the team was called an MDT, a multi-disciplinary team. She explains that “gravely ill” means you aren’t able to take care of yourself.
She says it got to the point where it didn’t matter if he was “faking it,” and they needed to intervene.
Dwenger explains Haldol shots to the jury. She says it helps with psychosis symptoms and being “gravely ill” is a symptom of psychosis.
Rozzi objects and says it was a leading question.
At 10:04 a.m. Diener ender her cross-examination and Rozzi begins his re-direct.
Diener asks for a sidebar. Reporter notes Judge looks frustrated. State objects again after Rozzi asks another question. Both end and the jury asks questions.
Question 1: Does the DOC every place safekeepers in general population? Dwenger says yes.
Question 2: Could it be possible Allen was faking so he would not be moved to general population? Dwenger says it was possible but don’t know for Allen.
Question 3: Did you hear threats to Allen from other inmates yourself? Dwenger says no.
Question 4: Could a person slip in truth of a confession, even when faking it? Dwenger says it is hard to tell but yes. She says you can tell if people are faking it based on the organization of thoughts if the conversation is goal-oriented and chronological. She says Allen was not having delirium.
Question 5: What is the typical process for safekeepers with severe mental illness? Dwenger says the same as general.
Question 6: What is the primary obligation to a safekeeper working with an inmate with severe mental illness? Dwenger says same as general.
At 10:23 a.m. court was in recess.

9 A.M.: Court session begins​

 

[GrandmaBear]

Harshman yesterday on stand. NM questioning. He's listened to hundred of phone calls hundreds of hours. Knows RA's demenor an way of taking. He was rational, calm, subdued, solemn when tellling wife. Tom agree, he heard them. Rozzi I think it was objected. Said Harshman is no psychologist.

 

[Tresir]

Another version of Gootee and Dwenger's testimony.

Delphi murders trial: Suspect was seriously mentally ill while at Westville prison, IDOC doctor says

Dr. Deanna Dwenger, with the Indiana Department of Corrections, testified this week about the times Richard Allen confessed to her about killing Libby and Abby.

abc7news.com

From the link-


DELPHI, Ind. -- Richard Allen's defense started their first full day of calling witnesses by bringing Officer Christopher Gootee to the stand on Friday.

Gootee served with the Hammond Police Department when teens Libby German and Abby Williams were found murdered near the Monon High Trail in Delphi, Indiana.

Gootee interviewed Brad Weber as part of the investigation. Weber lived near the trail and according to Gootee, Weber said he went home after work on February 13, 2013, the day the girls were murdered. Gootee couldn't remember what else Weber said despite looking at his own report.

SEE ALSO | Prosecution rests after Delphi murders suspect's confession calls to wife played in court

The state did not cross-examine Gootee.


The defense then called Dr. Deanna Dwenger, with the Indiana Department of Corrections to the stand. Dwenger oversees contract employees, like the state's witness Dr. Monica Wala.

Wala testified this week about the times Allen confessed to her about killing Libby and Abby. The defense has attacked her credibility because Wala admitted to being a true crime fan who listened and participated in Delphi-related podcasts.

Dwenger was questioned further about Wala's personal interest in Allen's case. Dwenger said she only found out about it after she had already been assigned to work with Allen.

Dwenger knew that Wala visited the Monon High Bridge before Allen arrived at Westville Correctional Facility. She told the jury she thought it was unusual to visit the crime scene of someone you work with but said Wala talked to her direct supervisor more about the issue.

READ MORE | Delphi murder trial: Libby's blood was likely mixed with her tears, expert says


Dwenger said she did not determine which correctional facility Allen was placed in and she didn't know who made the decision. She said Allen was classified as a safety risk when he arrived at Westville. Dwenger said Allen was a Code D for mental health, which meant Allen needed an individual therapist.

Dwenger said she regularly heard Allen threatened by other inmates. She also testified she was aware that Allen was always on camera, and it worried her. Dwenger said she recommended the cameras be removed to improve Allen's mental health but that never happened.

Dwenger also told jurors solitary confinement is not good for mental health.

The Department of Corrections has a policy that someone with a "serious mental illness" should not be held in solitary for more than 30 days. Allen was in solitary confinement for 13 months.

State's Attorney Stacey Diener cross-examined Dr. Dwenger. She told the court Allen was not diagnosed with serious mental illness when he first arrived at Westville in late 2022. It wasn't until April 2023 when that diagnosis was made, when his mental health took a noticeable turn. It's also the same time Allen began confessing to the murders of Libby and Abby.


SEE ALSO | Delphi murders trial: DNA evidence shows no ties to suspect, anyone else, expert says

The first document determining Allen's "grave disability" was dated April 13, 2023. It was about the same time a team of mental health professionals determined Allen had deteriorated enough that intervention was required. Dwenger testified Allen was involuntarily given an anti-psychotic drug.

The jury also asked Dwenger several questions, the most noteworthy ones focused on Allen's mental health.

A juror asked if a person faking a mental health crisis could slips truths into a confession. Dwenger said she has seen psychotic people confess sincerely and psychotic people make things up.

Another juror asked how a psychiatrist can tell if someone is faking psychosis. Dwenger said the clinician listens to body language and the chain of the story. Dwenger said if the story is organized the person is probably faking psychosis, if it is disorganized and out of chronological order it is more likely the person is psychotic or delusional.


When court returned after a mid-morning break, the prosecution and defense argued over videos of Allen in his cell and how much would be shown. Judge Frances Gull decided to allow videos to be played without audio.

(NOTE. I cannot see why she made that decision. The audio is probably the most important part. )

ETA she let them hear his voice on the confession calls to wife so what is the difference ?

 

[Tresir]

I don't know if i am going to be able to face another two weeks of these seemingly pointless testimonies. I am getting the feeling the D are just going through the motions of a defence but have nothing. They should have gone for an insanity defence IMO. I am thinking they just wanted a high profile case for the money and publicity.

 

[RoundPeg]

I don't know if i am going to be able to face another two weeks of these seemingly pointless testimonies. I am getting the feeling the D are just going through the motions of a defence but have nothing. They should have gone for an insanity defence IMO. I am thinking they just wanted a high profile case for the money and publicity.

He doesn't come close to the burden of proof for an insanity defense in Indiana, though.

 

[Imamazed]

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-allens-mental-health-at-center-of-day-13/

Delphi murders: Allen’s mental health at center of Day 13​

The Delphi murders trial has shifted to the defense of Richard Allen as his attorneys work to poke holes in the state’s theories in hopes of exonerating their client.

The defense introduced a pair of witnesses before court adjourned; both discussed strange men they saw near the Monon High Bridge on the day of the murders.

Day 13 of testimony marked the first full day for the defense as it tries to convince the jury that Allen is an innocent man.

Hammond investigator testifies​

The defense’s third witness was Christopher Gootee, who’s been with the Hammond Police Department since 2005 and has done some work on the Delphi murders investigation. Gootee said he was assigned to an FBI task force in 2014.

His work on the Delphi case mostly consisted of interviews. He said he was assigned to the case for a little more than two weeks.

The defense brought him to the stand to discuss Brad Weber, who testified on Day 11 of the case. He owns property across from the murder scene and testified that he was driving on an access road around 2:30 p.m. on the day of the murders.

During Allen’s key confession, he said a van spooked him, leading him to order the girls across Deer Creek and kill them. Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked Gootee if Weber went straight home from work that day; Gootee said he didn’t know.

Auger showed him a report from Feb. 19, 2017, to refresh his memory. He’d spoken to Weber on that day. However, he couldn’t say if Weber told him he went straight home after work.

 

[Imamazed]

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-former-fire-chief-recalls-nighttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sightings/

Delphi murders: Defense grills former police chief; witness recalls hasty nighttime search for missing girls​

Day 13 of the Delphi murders trial began with testimony about the mental deterioration of Richard Allen before turning to the hasty nighttime search for the missing girls and ending with the defense team grilling the former police chief.

On Friday, Allen’s defense team continued to call witnesses to the stand as they slowly work at poking holes in the prosecution’s case in hopes of exonerating their client. This included grilling the former Delphi police chief in an attempt to discredit one of the prosecution’s key witnesses.


Delphi murders trial: Day-by-day summary of the proceedings

An ‘out of place’ car​

Brad Heath was the first witness called after lunch on Friday. He lives just outside Delphi and drove to Anderson’s grain elevator while working on Feb. 13, 2017.

Heath said he drove past the old CPS building near the Monon High Bridge trails at around 8:45 a.m. and spotted a parked vehicle about halfway down the road. When he drove past later at 1:42 p.m., he said the vehicle was still there. He described it as an “older vehicle” that was a faded, dark blue. He estimated the vehicle was a late 80s or early 90s model.

 

[Imamazed]

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 13 | Judge denies motions related to Odenism, ritualistic killing

Special Judge Fran Gull ruled against a second defense motion to allow testimony related to Odenism, ritualistic killing, and Norse paganism evidence in the trial of Richard Allen.

www.wrtv.com

 

[Imamazed]

Former fire chief says he saw no clothes in creek the night Abby and Libby went missing | Day 13 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

 

[Imamazed]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

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[Cousin Dupree]

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 13 | Judge denies motions related to Odenism, ritualistic killing

Special Judge Fran Gull ruled against a second defense motion to allow testimony related to Odenism, ritualistic killing, and Norse paganism evidence in the trial of Richard Allen.

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From the article:

Judge Gull ultimately decided the video would be allowed, but she would not allow the audio from those videos to be heard by the jury. She ruled that the audio would be hearsay because it was the voice of Richard Allen, and he would not be taking the stand in this case.

WTF! They're his own words! If they're convinced it's his voice on the "Down the Hill" audio, why is that admissible? If they want the jury to make a voice comparison, what better way than to let them hear him speak? What does he say that she doesn't want the jury to hear?

This judge is so anti-defense it's not funny. It appears, to me, that she's only allowing in things that the prosecution wants. Once in a great while she'll give the defense something, but rarely. She sustained every prosecution objection on the re-direct of Dr. Dwenger. Since there is no footage or audio of the trial, I don't know specifically what the questions were, but it sounds fishy.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't know if i am going to be able to face another two weeks of these seemingly pointless testimonies. I am getting the feeling the D are just going through the motions of a defence but have nothing. They should have gone for an insanity defence IMO. I am thinking they just wanted a high profile case for the money and publicity.

Not sure if I'm just so tired or what. Dozed off several times in the last day or two. Lol maybe watching those trying to cover it, standing in line, so wiped out.

Not sure. But here I am partially awake and tired as heck, should be well rested with all of the naps.

Read the last couple of posts on the D you put up just getting up to speed on today...

And I found as you say nothin of note in it. A lot of stuff, but pointless. But I guess they are getting paid and showing they are doing something or trying to...I mean they've been waiting for the stage right??

I am back to after yesterdqay no one will let this man confess and run his own case!! I can't get OVER some can't see that....
It has been awhile but I've said it before.

I too do not think I am going to take the two weeks plus if they go that long. I don't know that I have EVER felt this sorry for a defendant! It is ALL there, and he KNOWS it and he wants to confess and GIVE IT UP and NO ONE will LET him.

I mean MY GOD. He is doing what his wife and others want him to DO. I have such an opinion of wife right now it is not even funny, and mom and against all in me I actually have some darmnend sympathy for him. Which I hate as I know he did these horrible things to these girls,.

I have not caught up here but caught up with a lot of the last couple of days earlier and some from today.

There is SO much to unpack to my knowledge unheard of in news... But some things stand out to me big time in fuller coverage and one Is that he is happier than
he has ever been...I mean that really struck me... His **** with his mom and wife? It is like NO ONE hears him!! NO dear, you did not... Yes dear. HIm to her. Babe... OMG. So MUCH more.


I also am not going to try to keep up with the defense stuff... Not saying I am going to bail and not follow but there is SUCH a full picture here already.

HE is NOT insane by ANY legal standard. And I hate giving him any credit, I HATE IT, with what he did to the girls, but he has been trying forever to give it up and NO ONE WILL LET HIM.

I'm sorry, but I almost think his wife and mom need more help than he does!

 

[GrandmaBear]

He doesn't come close to the burden of proof for an insanity defense in Indiana, though.

He isn't insane. No one will let him confess. And the D has tried to play the mental health both ways when it suits them.

This is not, i hope you know by now, talking to or at you or anyone.

It all just fits. And I don't mean in any conspired or perfect way. it just does. Imo. He even tries to tell and say so.

It was FAR from a perfect investigation. No argument with anyone there.

I also I don't know about anyone else but am seeing in watching fuller coverage that Gull give the D a lot and sides with them more than news will ever say.

Again, I'm jumping from this post so nor at you, etc.

I am behind probably a bit but have also watched far more every question and answer than some.

Here is where I am at. It is not some huge conspiracy fit, it is a FIT. RA knows it, has for some time.. Triied to give it up and NO ONE would let him.

Again talking to all and not anyone in particular and jmo.

I can almost see the strictures and such in his life. and he acting out. Topic for some other time.

For me, he did this, he actually wants to take "creditt" for it and in a sick way is crying out for the ones in his life to GET IT.

I think I did it in a post above, but his mom and wife maybe need more help than he does.

And Im sorry to say that.

Again this is not a response towards you in any way at all, it is simply the one I jumped off from.

Shoudl be in bed. These poor familes I cannot even imagine. His included, even though I am myself forming an opinion there... that again almost makes me feel sorry for him and that maddens me becuase for me, I now he did these awful things to A and L And I am NOT one to have sympathy for such a person. But come ON, he has tried to tell, and no one can accept it... Not his wife, not his mom, etc.

Okay after midnight and such a screwed up schedule.

Just a general one of what I feel I see in this all and where it is at.

 

[Tresir]

Okay. Now this sounds like a general search of Focuses, of not only Carroll but surrounding counties and THEN they eliminated some and narrowed it to the SE model.

I'm not jumping on this boat until I see the facts because this is not at all like what I just responded to.

News SUCKS.

Regardless, the fitting of ALL is impossible to ignore. Yeah, yeah, people from other areas may travel through... Yeah it could be someone from outer space... There is a TON of all fitting here in this case. You'd never know it by some news..

This article is pretty good. They did NOT just search Carroll and it sounds like they did NOT just search the Focus SE but that they started wider and then narrowed.

Smh.

What i do not understand is why couldn't they identify and do that search years ago and catch RA then? Also, did they never interview BW, the guy who lived at the end of the trail and find out when he got home? How could they not know about his white van?

 

[Tresir]

He doesn't come close to the burden of proof for an insanity defense in Indiana, though.

Well that classmate of Kelsi's who murdered the guy in Lafayette seemed to get the insanity plea quite easily. I followed that case. He plead guilty. I am seriously considering if RA relatives knew and were shielding him.

 

[Tresir]

From the article:

Judge Gull ultimately decided the video would be allowed, but she would not allow the audio from those videos to be heard by the jury. She ruled that the audio would be hearsay because it was the voice of Richard Allen, and he would not be taking the stand in this case.

WTF! They're his own words! If they're convinced it's his voice on the "Down the Hill" audio, why is that admissible? If they want the jury to make a voice comparison, what better way than to let them hear him speak? What does he say that she doesn't want the jury to hear?

This judge is so anti-defense it's not funny. It appears, to me, that she's only allowing in things that the prosecution wants. Once in a great while she'll give the defense something, but rarely. She sustained every prosecution objection on the re-direct of Dr. Dwenger. Since there is no footage or audio of the trial, I don't know specifically what the questions were, but it sounds fishy.

I do have to agree with you on this point about not letting the jury hear his voice but if he is not going to give evidence, she may have no option but to shield his voice from the jury, perhaps. How did you know she sustained all the P objections of Dwenger? I must have missed that being reported somewhere.

ETA - NVM I just read it in the article -

"During re-direct, the prosecution objected to every question asked by defense attorney Brad Rozzi. Judge Fran Gull sustained all objections.'

As it was only during redirect, maybe there were not many questions. At least we now know he is not giving evidence. I bet his wife won't give evidence either.

 

[Tresir]

So obvious the dynamics of KA and RA and in these many phone calls... By the way Tom notes in all he sounds normal, not psychotic, pressured and is just trying to tell her he did it (my words) but paraphrased closely.

Defense and trial not over yet but it is for me. WE've seen all the defense b.s. already and if they have something new that's all it will be, maybe attacking the investigation and screw ups but th P has already pretty much faced and shown that all haven't they? Yup.

With a true and good and responsible jury he is toast.

And I don't have the words for this, but I think he wants to be but no one would let him...

I'm also sorry to say this but this is one messed up family. I think it's always been seen and noticed what he is but it's been ingored and denied, where even if he TRIES to tell his mom or wife of anything through his life he is met with no, of course not , you did not dear... It is VERY interesting to me he talked to his stepdad in the wee hours who maybe lives the same life with for instance his mother, stepdad's wife who he does by the way refer to as dad and asked his wife if she had heard from or talked to him... I'm thinking stepdad believed it and got it but knew th women wouldn't listen... JMO...

I'll probably be listening to Tom for awhile yet and am not giving all and every comment but RA knows. And Anya ct otherwise is for his wife, mom, etc... His attorneys even, he almost blew their big case... NO ONE WILL LET THE MAN confess! He is doing what THEY want because he cares about them but imo he in some sick way, and as she said, is happier than he has ever been in his life! Yes, he said that.

Not sure how much news reported of some of this.

And honestly, I don't think it's going to come down to a box cutter or even the bullet. His own words are going to take the day but all put together it will take over the day entirely.

For me, I don't think there is any magic thing the D can offer. I mean they can try with the jury I guess who arguably don't know as much about the case before trial...

As much as I love Tom's coverage I am not going to try to keep up on the D thing if he stays or the D in general unless some "big miracle evidence" appears. This case is LOCKED so long s the jurors are all logical, reasonable and have some smarts.

And I hate to say It but right now I have more issues in SOME ways with his mother and KA/wife than I do with him. No one checked him way back when imo... When he needed to be checked. Stopped. Reversed. Helped.

And that is NOT sympathy for him. He has lived in a world of where those around him hide it, cover it, deny it and so no, you didn't...

I'm sorry but KA needs some SERIOUS help herself.

For me there is a picture coming about that I suspected but is all showing now...

Tom has so much more detail, without opining even... To take away with your own brain yourself and put together...

He is clearly happy now because he is finally being heard - although not literally by the public - and how, with a national and international audience. His burden is finally shared.

Confession is very important to devout catholics, so hiding such urges for so long could have sent him over the edge at any time. He probably drank for that very reason. The turning to God is making some sense too now. Maybe it wasn't faked?

 

[Tresir]

I'm going to share this, although there's a lot more from what I at least have seen, news has not even come close to having covered. Out of MANY things.

But in all the calls between RA and anyone his daughter and he never once talked. And any time Tom shares something like this, he says he's just sharing it not opining or reading into it, just sharing that fact for all to decide or decipher if it means anything.

Contrast this with Emma Daybell...

He isn't opining but I will. NOthing, nothing could ever keep me from my dad. Even if (which would never be the case) I thought he did something, I'd still talk to and see him same with a child. I would not condone the act and make that clear, but I would still see them and in fact would ensure or tell them to come clean. That would never happen with my dad (who is passed) but saying IF...

I am OPINING unlike Tom. This says a lot to me. Now the P never put her up and can only guess as to why but that's besides the point, maybe not necessary and cutting her a break.

She's never attended and she has never had a single phone call with her dad in all this time is the point or visit either as far as I know. Definitely not at the prison and after that long, probably not at Cass either.

Now I'm not going to go way down this road but it's been rumored she and her husband are not on the same page as mom and had some things to say. I'm not SURE why they didn't go there but out of respect maybe, or agreement, who knows...

And I'm not going to go way down THIS road but now RA in a confession says he molested his sister, he was molested, more... And people have talked of the similarities in Libby and his daughter... he said he was a sex addict and child molestor.

People have talked of the similarities in his daughter and Libby.

And I am going to leave it at that. It's nothing proven but people can connect the dots or think as they will BUT just saying they never once in like was it 700 calls had contact. And I'd never be able to bail on my dad like that. EVER.

Throughout this too, I am picking up on there is a lot that's been not allowed to be said or excluded and the public and jury rarely know these things... SOMETIMES the public does as to some if news looks for such... Not in this case though I don't think...

So Im' talking fact and rumor here anyhow and take it as one wishes. FAct is she never talked to him, not once.

DOn't know if news has given this detail but it's why I watch Tom.

Maybe they cannot put up any possible prior victims, for example, they would have anonymity. Maybe there has been no contact with him ever since. It is a no go area really, i think, for the trial possibly. Here in the UK, accused cannot generally have any priors brought up, as it is considered prejudicial. Is it the same there?

Has anyone checked to see if he has priors?

 

[Tresir]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

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Posted: Nov 1, 2024 / 09:02 AM EST / Updated: Nov 1, 2024 / 04:16 PM EST
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Day 13 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen began Friday morning at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi.
Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail “Abby” Williams and 14-year-old Liberty “Libby” German. The girls’ bodies were found near the Monon High Bridge near Delphi on Feb. 14, 2017, a day after they went missing.
Allen was first investigated in 2017 and again in October 2022. After a second police interview, he was taken into custody.
The trial began Oct. 18 and was expected to continue through mid-November. Originally, 16 Allen County residents sat as the jury on the case, but one juror was dismissed on Oct. 25.
Tune into News 8 and follow our live blog throughout the day for the latest developments.
NOTE: The times listed in the blog headers are the times which the entries were added. Specific times for courtroom events will be listed in the entries if available. These notes are compiled from photographs of written notes provided by reporters in courtroom and emailed to the WISH-TV news desk.
For a brief summary of Day 12 in the Delphi Murders trial (Thursday), scroll to the bottom of the page.
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3:09 P.M. Testimony from defense witnesses.​

Court is back in session at 1:05 p.m.
At 1:10 p.m. the defense called Brad Heath.
Heath tells the jury he lives just outside Delphi and is 70 years old. He worked for Reliable Exterminators and retired 5 years ago.
Heath says he managed company business for the Delphi area and surrounding spots. He describes doing a job at a company called Anderson’s and the scans of the building he did on Feb. 13, 2017. His last scan was at 2:06 p.m.
Defense attorney Brad Rozzi hands Heath a report he requested that shows what Heath did that day at that stop. The report refers to Heath seeing a vehicle at 8:45 a.m. the morning of the murders. He noticed it was in the same location that afternoon. Heath said the car was half-way down the road near the CPS building, parked about two feet off the road.
Heath said it was an older car and looked out of place. He said he went to law enforcement a week after the crimes to tell them after he realized what happened. Heath said he talked to law enforcement a few times over the years at his own prompting.
Heath said he recently spoke to law enforcement about having seen a car that looked like it was “in a movie.” He says the car was a 4-door that looked like it was from the 80’s or 90’s. He said he was 150-250 yards away when he saw it. The defense shows a photo of the car.
Heath said he had no recollection of cars being in the CPS lot or not. He said he saw different angles of the same car at different points throughout the day.
The prosecution had no questions for Heath.
At 1:28 p.m. the defense called David McCain. McCain said he lives just outside of Delphi. He says he has lived there 20 years and is 79 years old. McCain says he is a long-time volunteer and was a project manager for the Monon High Bridge Trail.
McCain tells the jury he went to the bridge many times as a child and started planning to develop the trail in 2013. He said he’s walked the bridge many times and was out there just a month ago.
McCain said he was on the trail and bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. He said he got to the trails around 2 or 3 p.m. and parked at the Mears entrance. He said he saw no other cars there and walked to the high bridge. He said he took photos and walked just the beginning of the bridge. McCain said the bridge is 65 feet above the water and you can see it clearly below.
He tells the jury he used a camera, not a phone, to take photos that day. He said he did that for less than a half hour. McCain said he saw a couple while there, he said it could have been before or after he went to the bridge. He said there may have been people off in the distance that he saw, but only passed the couple.
McCain said he left before 4 p.m. He said he was surprised at the number of people at the Mears entrance when he returned to his car.
McCain tells the jury he did not see pedestrians on 300N when he left. He said “someone shouted to me, ‘have you seen the girls?’” when he was leaving the entrance.
He said that evening he was at a community meeting and some “emergency people” said they were investigating missing kids. McCain said he became concerned about the girls and called the sheriff’s office to say he was there that day.
McCain said two FBI agents and one ISP agent came to his house and interviewed him. He said he gave them the photos from his camera and “SIM” card.
He said two or three years later he was called and asked if he had seen a certain car in the distance of his photos. McCain said he never got his “SIM” card back.
At 1:50 p.m. the state began their cross-examination.
Prosecutor James Luttrell shows McCain a document of an FBI interview. Defense attorney Andrew Baldwin objects, saying it is improper.
Judge Gull allows McCain to look at the document. Luttrell asks him if he left at 4 p.m. or shortly after. He says yes.
McCain says the man shouting at him that day was a pretty large man in a “bright orange jacket.” He said something like “have you seen the girls?” in a concerned way.
At 2:05 p.m. the defense called former Delphi Fire Chief Darrell Sterrett. This is the 8th witness for the defense.
Sterrett says he grew up in Delphi and graduated in 1985. He has been a firefighter for 36 years. He was the Fire Chief on Feb. 13, 2017.
Sterrett said he was at the station house around 6 that night because there was a training even. He said that word came in that two girls were missing.
He said he went to the Carroll County Sheriff’s office, where joint command had been set up. Sterrett said they tried to figure out where they were and sent people to search for them.
He tells the jury that they were directing the search through dispatch and that Mullin and Lazenby were in charge of the search.
Sterrett is shown a document that kept track of where firefighters, cadets and officers were that day. He said they are an entirely volunteer department but everyone was at the station that day because of the training event.
Sterrett tells the jury they were notified about the girls at 7:01 p.m. He said he left to go to unified command at 7:10 p.m. He says about six of the volunteer firefighters were at the bridge that night, around 9:30 p.m. He took his personal vehicle and the volunteer firefighters took two firetrucks.
Sterrett said he entered the trails off of 625W and drove to the “end of it” and parked. He said there were houses on the left. He said he parked in someone’s yard. He said one vehicle drove up to the bridge, but the others walked.
Sterrett tells the jury that they needed the search to be “boots on the ground.” He said he thought the girls were scared and cold. “It was not an organized grid type search” he said.
He says the searchers were separated by varying amounts of distance. He said they stayed more “southwest of the bridge, only on the east side a bit.”
Sterrett said he left the scene around 1:30 a.m. or 2 a.m. on Feb. 14, 2017. Sterrett corrects himself and says he left at 2:30 a.m. on Feb. 14.
Sterrett said he ordered a search north, south, east and west of the bridge. In a deposition he said there may have been higher intensity lights from vehicles, but he is not sure.
He says the night was very dark, that the firefighters were using department issued flashlights, which had a spot or flood setting. He said someone may have shined a light on Deer Creek to check for the girls.
Sterrett told the jury that nobody from his team saw anything floating in the creek and did not hear anyone shout out saying they saw anything.
He said he could hear people during the search.
The prosecution does not cross-examine.
The jury asks two questions:
“How long ago did you give your deposition? Did you get a copy at that time?” Sterrett replies that it was three weeks ago and it was mailed to him.
“Did you search the area southeast of the cemetery?” He replied “I did not personally.”
Court is in recess at 2:55 p.m.

12:41 p.m. Defense request for witness to appear remotely.​

The defense has filed a motion today requesting an FBI Special Agent be allowed to testify remotely. They want Adam Pohl, who is currently working in San Antonio Texas to testify. They say he is a necessary witness for the defense and that his testimony and his testimony will only take 30 minutes.
Pohl is currently the election crime coordinator for the FBI San Antonio, Texas division.
The defense says it is extremely difficult for Pohl to appear in person given his current job responsibilities pertinent to the November 5th election. He was previously assigned to Indiana.
That motion can be viewed below.
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12:25 P.M. Court in session, more discussion of surveillance videos.​

At 11:31 a.m. court is back in session. Defense intern Max Baker is back on the stand. The defense immediately requests a sidebar. The sidebar lasts 10 minutes before the jury is back in the courtroom.
Baker tells the jury there is an issue with the security and camcorder videos of Allen because the prosecution provided them to the defense without the needed time stamps.
Rozzi says “we are dealing with what we were given by the state.”
Judge Gull tells the jury that they will break for lunch until 1 p.m.
Court is in recess at 11:52 a.m.

11:31 a.m. Court back in session, discussion of surveillance videos of Allen.​

At 10:40, court is back in session. There is an immediate sidebar, then the jury enters.
At 10:46 the defense calls Max Baker, who is an intern who works for the defense. He is a graduate of IU and has worked on the case since Nov. 2022.
He tells the jury he heard Harsman’s testimony. Reporter notes that at this point Allen’s wife Kathy leaves the courtroom with three others.
Baker testifies that he has reviewed most of Allen’s phone calls and videos from Westville. He says he was asked to compile video of Allen at Westville and put it on a flash drive. The prosecution is continually objecting.
Baker says the video was given to the prosecution as part of the discovery. He says there are two main video formats, camcorder video and security camera video. The camcorder video is video outside of Allen’s cell and the security video is inside Allen’s cell. The camcorder video has sound, the security video does not.
Baker tells the jury the camcorder video did not have a time stamp, it was just put in folders with general timeline information. He says he tried to piece it together as best as possible.
He explains that the in-cell video on the flash drive is from the 15th of every month from Nov. 2022 to Dec. 2023, aside from April to July of 2023 where there is more video than just on the 15th.
The defense asks to admit the video. The also show spreadsheets that explain the videos by date and time the video was taken.
The prosecution objects and there is another sidebar.
Court is in recess at 11:10 a.m.

10:35 A.M: Court is in session for Friday.​

At 9:01 a.m. the jury entered the courtroom and court is back in session. Judge gull tells defense attorney Brad Rozzi that they will chat about his motions he’s filed on transports during the lunch break.
Gull says the jury has once again had supervised contact with their electronic devices.
The defense calls Christopher Gootee and the state immediately calls for a sidebar. The sidebar lasts 9 minutes.
Gootee tells the jury he is a Hammond, Ind. police officer and has background as an EMT. He says he has training in interviewing witnesses and suspects.
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asks him about the importance of correctly documenting interviews. Gootee says he was with an FBI gang response task force or GRIT. They focused on kidnappings.
Gootee tells the jury that GRIT assisted with the Delphi investigation by canvassing neighborhoods and conducting interviews. He says he worked on the investigation for over a week.
Gootee says he spoke to Brad Weber during the investigation. Auger asks Gootee what Weber said about where he went after work on February 13, 2017.
Auger asks Gootee what an FBI 302 is, Gootee says it is a report from an interview. Auger shows him an exhibit, which is an FBI 302 report from his interview with Weber.
Gootee says he spoke to Weber on Feb. 19, 2017. He tells the jury that he doesn’t know what Weber said, despite looking at his own report. Auger finishes her questions, the state does not cross-examine.
At 9:27 a.m. the defense calls Dr. Deanna Dwenger. Dwenger tells the jury that she oversees the Department of Behavioral Health at the Indiana Department of Corrections. She says she has been director of the department since 2021.
Dwenger says that her main job is to oversee the IDOC’s contract with the contractor who actually does the employing for the IDOC’s behavioral staff.
Dwenger tells the jury that she generally knows who Richard Allen is. She confirms that Allen was transferred out of the Westville Correctional Facility. She says the solitary units at Westville and the Wabash Valley Correctional Facility are similar.
She says she has not personally met Allen and did not make the decision to move him and does not know who did.
Dwenger says that Dr. Monica Wala, the assigned psychologist for Allen, told her after she was assigned to Allen that she had a special interest.
Dwenger tells the jury that Wala told her about listening to Delphi podcasts and recommended it to her in early 2023. Reporter note: (Allen went to Westville at the end of 2022.)
Dwenger says she knew that Wala had visited the Monon High Bridge, but says it was before being assigned to Allen.
Dwenger tells the jury she thought it was unusual to visit the crime scene of someone you work with, but said that Wala talked to her direct supervisor about the issue more.
The state requests another sidebar about the use of the words “crime scene.”
Dwenger tells the jury she is familiar with Dr. Martin and that he is a psychiatrist and administers medication. She says Dr. Martin is no longer working at the IDOC.
She says Allen was assessed in Indianapolis and was assigned a “D” code in mental health. She explains that a “D” code means a person that would benefit from a specific and personal therapy treatment plan.
Dwenger tells the jury she doesn’t know if there’s ever been safekeepers in either Westville or Wabash Valley. She says she doesn’t know why he was assigned there. She says she knew there was video (cameras) in his cell and that worried her. She said she recommend the video be removed, but it didn’t happen.
Dwenger tells the jury that solitary confinement can impact mental health and that it is not unreasonable to think being in solitary would have a negative impact over time.
She says 30 or more days of solitary happens only if the inmate is severely mentally ill. She tells the jury the 30-day rule exists to keep people from being in there too long.
Dwenger tells the jury that Allen was “gravely disabled.”
She explains the difference between mental health monitoring and mental health treatment. She says treatment is more focused on actual therapeutics. She says that the therapeutic setting at Westville was not idea.
Dwenger confirms she was on a team that discussed Allen’s care, though was not directly treating him. She described herself as a “sounding board” for those who were.
The state requests another sidebar after Rozzi asks Dwenger about solitary confinement for mentally ill patients.
At 9:56 Rozzi ends his questioning and prosecution attorney Stacey Diener begins her cross-examination of Dwenger.
Dwenger confirms Allen was not severely mentally ill and “began to decompensate” until he was in the Westville Correctional Unit. She says he was first contacted about Allen in April of 2023. She says that’s when his core team was formed.
The first contact she describes was coming from Dr. Wala asking if Allen could have a meeting with his wife. Dwenger tells the jury that at that point Wala told her that Allen was faking it.
Dwenger tells the jury the team was called an MDT, a multi-disciplinary team. She explains that “gravely ill” means you aren’t able to take care of yourself.
She says it got to the point where it didn’t matter if he was “faking it,” and they needed to intervene.
Dwenger explains Haldol shots to the jury. She says it helps with psychosis symptoms and being “gravely ill” is a symptom of psychosis.
Rozzi objects and says it was a leading question.
At 10:04 a.m. Diener ender her cross-examination and Rozzi begins his re-direct.
Diener asks for a sidebar. Reporter notes Judge looks frustrated. State objects again after Rozzi asks another question. Both end and the jury asks questions.
Question 1: Does the DOC every place safekeepers in general population? Dwenger says yes.
Question 2: Could it be possible Allen was faking so he would not be moved to general population? Dwenger says it was possible but don’t know for Allen.
Question 3: Did you hear threats to Allen from other inmates yourself? Dwenger says no.
Question 4: Could a person slip in truth of a confession, even when faking it? Dwenger says it is hard to tell but yes. She says you can tell if people are faking it based on the organization of thoughts if the conversation is goal-oriented and chronological. She says Allen was not having delirium.
Question 5: What is the typical process for safekeepers with severe mental illness? Dwenger says the same as general.
Question 6: What is the primary obligation to a safekeeper working with an inmate with severe mental illness? Dwenger says same as general.
At 10:23 a.m. court was in recess.

9 A.M.: Court session begins​

McCain gives his SIM card from his camera to LE but never got it back from them. Two years later they call him to ask to see the photos. FFS what a FU.