LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *GUILTY*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]

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Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]


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Maybe they cannot put up any possible prior victims, for example, they would have anonymity. Maybe there has been no contact with him ever since. It is a no go area really, i think, for the trial possibly. Here in the UK, accused cannot generally have any priors brought up, as it is considered prejudicial. Is it the same there?

Has anyone checked to see if he has priors?
Yes, prior acts or criminal history are often kept out per being prejudicial although sometimes can be argued to come in if it shows a pattern, relates, ec.. However, we've never heard such argued or asked for have we? But then there's much we haven't heard probably...

The alias bothers me still and then he claims he molested, etc. did he not? It's odd to me how that alias has been entirely ignored...

I think the only prior things we now of is a hint of a domestic with wife and then his going into rehab or a hospital...

Also if there's a juvenile record, we likely would not hear that either...

Are you referring to the daughter? I don't think it would stop them from being able to call her to the stand... The subjects may be limited as to what they could touch on though...

I don't know.

I sense there are things on both sides that can't be touched on or something. Who knows...

I feel he has something prior but if a juvenile record, that is not going to be found. And I have no idea and have never seen a hint anywhere that anyone has taken that other name and tried to run it as to any record, meaning the alias.

Or maybe he has something expunged, met the conditions, and it was "erased". I am just speculating though...
 
Good Lord there are so many errors in these articles.

I was pulling from a few of them to show them but not sure I'm up to it.

I get they are under pressure with no recording devices or keyboards but can their news orgs not get some editors/proofreaders??

The I think it was WRTV one if I have the right initials said "the dense attorney" LMAO LMAO but they meant the witness...

Wish above refers to Baldwin saying things were kept from the prosecution and I'm SURE they mean the defense, leaving one to wonder if he said this or the reporting got it wrong...

I'm sorry but had to quit reading because it is irritating me to no end. I was going to cut and paste them all but too tired, and would take figuring out how to do it with that many...

Tom has to correct himself at times due to just so drained, but he does, and he's one man.

Can't these orgs get some people to quickly read and correct at least or if in a rush to get out, at least go fix it AFTER. Editors and proofreaders are, and noticed it far before this case, either nonexistent or not paid for any longer or simply have no skills and barely passed class. It's AWFUL.

Personally I think for some time now, news also is in such a rush to get it out because someone on the internet will beat them to it, like YTers, that any accuracy has gone out the window.

It's funny but it's not. Because it gives the wrong picture of things with some of the errors.

I did like the "dense attorney" when they were talking defense attorney but sadly even had they said defense attorney, they were talking about the witness for goodness sakes and NOT the attorney!

Man I can't do it or read more than the bit I have without coffee as it's rampant in these articles.

I read one, started to read another and hit an error quickly and I'm done. Need coffee and can't take it.

It's funny to a point which is where I was going to go with it, but then I hit another one so misleading but clearly an error.

I make tons of typos and don't correct them these days (used to would have) but I'm not in a job or reporting to the masses.

I know they are under pressure but come on...

The dense attorney was funny though lol.

Just a bit of offsides, meant it to be a light one and humorous for all or any needing it, but didn't turn out that way. Jmo also.
 
McCain gives his SIM card from his camera to LE but never got it back from them. Two years later they call him to ask to see the photos. FFS what a FU.
Sounds like another FU. I went to read it but ran into a not corrected/or proofread thing and I had to stop. I had just come from the 'dense attorney" in another article. Can't do it right now lol.

I tell ya, with these rules too, and I didn't in other cases agree with dark days, this jury, the families, all should have a break midweek I swear. How are they getting through all of this? I mean seriously. Of course jury is not seeing the reporting but man... Of course to have a day off here and there, they would end up sequestered longer, but still...

I can't read another thing right now. In two articles, I hit fairly big errors right off and it sent me over.

Not sure why this FU is about but think I read a bit about him using a camera, right, not a cell phone and something last night? I'd get filled in by reading but can't take the reading more of this reporting right now...

You know, I've said more than once, you have as well, there have definitely been some screw ups in this investigation. Some things, a few, that definitely weren't a stellar job. Right now though Im thinking if the reporters were running the investigation, it would have been even worse LOL. I'm not sure they could tell a tree from a rock or a defense attorney from a witness on the stand.

About had my fill for a bit I guess and I hardly got started this morning. Saw more than enough though yesterday too maybe too much tried to pack in.

have had my fill which again tells me how much of a break everyone actually attending probably is in need of.
 
Good Lord there are so many errors in these articles.

I was pulling from a few of them to show them but not sure I'm up to it.

I get they are under pressure with no recording devices or keyboards but can their news orgs not get some editors/proofreaders??

The I think it was WRTV one if I have the right initials said "the dense attorney" LMAO LMAO but they meant the witness...

Wish above refers to Baldwin saying things were kept from the prosecution and I'm SURE they mean the defense, leaving one to wonder if he said this or the reporting got it wrong...

I'm sorry but had to quit reading because it is irritating me to no end. I was going to cut and paste them all but too tired, and would take figuring out how to do it with that many...

Tom has to correct himself at times due to just so drained, but he does, and he's one man.

Can't these orgs get some people to quickly read and correct at least or if in a rush to get out, at least go fix it AFTER. Editors and proofreaders are, and noticed it far before this case, either nonexistent or not paid for any longer or simply have no skills and barely passed class. It's AWFUL.

Personally I think for some time now, news also is in such a rush to get it out because someone on the internet will beat them to it, like YTers, that any accuracy has gone out the window.

It's funny but it's not. Because it gives the wrong picture of things with some of the errors.

I did like the "dense attorney" when they were talking defense attorney but sadly even had they said defense attorney, they were talking about the witness for goodness sakes and NOT the attorney!

Man I can't do it or read more than the bit I have without coffee as it's rampant in these articles.

I read one, started to read another and hit an error quickly and I'm done. Need coffee and can't take it.

It's funny to a point which is where I was going to go with it, but then I hit another one so misleading but clearly an error.

I make tons of typos and don't correct them these days (used to would have) but I'm not in a job or reporting to the masses.

I know they are under pressure but come on...

The dense attorney was funny though lol.

Just a bit of offsides, meant it to be a light one and humorous for all or any needing it, but didn't turn out that way. Jmo also.
The dense attorney seems more accurate to me LOL.

There sure are a lot of Brads in this case. Is it a popular name over there?
 
He is clearly happy now because he is finally being heard - although not literally by the public - and how, with a national and international audience. His burden is finally shared.

Confession is very important to devout catholics, so hiding such urges for so long could have sent him over the edge at any time. He probably drank for that very reason. The turning to God is making some sense too now. Maybe it wasn't faked?
I am most definitely seeing a Catholic thing and influence here and I sure mean NO offense to anyone Catholic.

I see it in his mother and wife imo...

There are things I could say but not sure how to word them without it coming across wrong.

My dad's side was entirely Catholic, we were the only ones that were not as my mom was Lutheran and my dad was fine with going her route and we were raised Lutheran.

Can't talk religion so not going to say a lot but one sister and brother-in-law of mine are as well. Very involved, very good people, long married since just out of high school. Decades now.

I guess I mean that I am well versed and aware with it and again not knocking it at all. Some of the best people I know...

Like you say though about confessions, and to me, maybe strictures, and when you have someone like he is but everyone around you saying no, no, you didn't, not possible........

AND you've probably been living that most of your life, and then you have these urges and bad deeds and you know it goes against all that you are taught is right.... Or wrong... Yet you give into them at times...

I'm going to leave it there because there's no way to say more without probably getting slapped.

Didn't he also claim he was molested...

And that's the end of it. I think most here can put together a lot of it.

And he claims he is happier than he has ever been despite being where he is...

Not that I take everything he says as truth. But I almost believe that...

No one will let him confess. He about shouted it from the rafters yet here we are...
 
From the article:

Judge Gull ultimately decided the video would be allowed, but she would not allow the audio from those videos to be heard by the jury. She ruled that the audio would be hearsay because it was the voice of Richard Allen, and he would not be taking the stand in this case.

WTF! They're his own words! If they're convinced it's his voice on the "Down the Hill" audio, why is that admissible? If they want the jury to make a voice comparison, what better way than to let them hear him speak? What does he say that she doesn't want the jury to hear?

This judge is so anti-defense it's not funny. It appears, to me, that she's only allowing in things that the prosecution wants. Once in a great while she'll give the defense something, but rarely. She sustained every prosecution objection on the re-direct of Dr. Dwenger. Since there is no footage or audio of the trial, I don't know specifically what the questions were, but it sounds fishy.
I absolutely cannot read any more reporting right now. After the "dense" attorney and then mixing up the P and the D, I was done in minutes.

And you may not read this resposne and that's fine.

But I did read some of this but am not fully up or versed on it, you should get that, because you aren't a lot of the time either, can we agree on that?

What stands out to me here for one is Gull seems to already know he is not going to take the stand. Maybe that has already been broached but typically that comes at the end of the defense case. Interesting.

Next, I'd say that I've taken in a LOT in the last two days and people who are only watching news reporting are missing a LOT. Gull has sided with the defense more times than I can count! It surprised me! I don't know if news wants it thought otherwise or what but you are not getting a full picture is all I can say. Nor is anyone who is just following that. And I get it because that's most people and I've had to just rely on such when busy, etc. But HE77 at least in Daybell we had Nae. We have none of that here and I do damn Gull for that. I rely on Tom for a reason and by the way he just pointed people to Lawyer Lee when he's worn out or can't cover. And you have watched her and I turned all on to her. I haven't seen her in this one, lack the time and hasn't popped up for me. Personally I think he is better in fuller coverage but she's okay.

Anyhow, she is not imo anti defense but they put her in positions she looks like it and no one reports (in news) all of the times she goes against the P or sides with the D. FACT.

Finally to this point. He can take the stand and make it not hearsay and verify that is him and that is his voice. He has been testifying all along without testifying which is not to be allowed and apparently she has let it go and it irritates me. meaning when he shakes or nods is head tries to testify from his seat to the jury, let's them see him nodding to his wife or whispering,SEE I told you... HIs attorneys have been doing similar and making statements instead of questions and false statements even. Also NOT supposed to happen.

He and they want it both ways. And it's always been that way. HIs attorneys want to use mental health, but want things blocked about it at the same time.

There is a TON of leeway being given here.

However, no ONE reports that. That's why if you listen which takes forever and I can't keep up with to every single thing that goes on every day, you can pick that up on your own, even IF the one sharing it all doesn't even catch it.

Tom for instance, and he can't hear all of the time, etc. gives every byplay he can jot down. Every objection and whether sustained or overruled, etc. However, he's no legal buff but he GIVES all he sees go on.

She has ruled for he D plenty. And allowed plenty.

She's still on my sh*t list though for what she's done to people and the coverage b.s. of this case. Lol.
 
This is the USA today link with contribution from Ron Wilkins. It has a report of the two LE testimonies - Mullins and Leazenby.


Friday ended with testimonies from two top local law enforcement officials at the time of the killings, Mullin and Leazenby, who were on the stand for two contentious hours of questioning.

Baldwin wasted no time interrogating Mullin, who now works as an investigator for the Carroll County prosecutor's office, about what Baldwin believes was a grave misstep in the investigation of the killings. Under direct examination that surpassed an hour, Mullin conceded that police lost dozens of audio recordings of interviews from two timeframes in 2017: from roughly Feb. 14 to early March and from approximately April 28 through June 2, according to the defense.

"Would you agree that it was dozens and dozens of interviews not available to either side?" Baldwin said.

"Correct," Mullin responded.

For reasons Mullin outlined in two undated reports whose contents weren't discussed Friday, dozens of 2017 interviews were irretrievably lost. Police recovered videos for some, but not the accompanying audios. Mullin said he believed some of the people were interviewed again if police considered their statements important to the case, but he couldn't recall how many.

Baldwin said defense attorneys didn't learn about the missing interviews until February of this year, and they received an explanation only after reaching out to prosecutors. Mullin said he wrote the reports to explain why police lost evidence as soon as he found out. In a heated moment, Baldwin questioned Mullin's credibility.

"If you could go back in time, you wouldn't have dated those reports?" Baldwin asked.

"If I knew you were going to do this to me now," Mullin responded, "I probably would have."

Through a litany of objections from Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, Baldwin questioned Mullin about why he didn't record an August phone call with Brad Weber, a man whose property is just across Deer Creek from where the girls' bodies were found and who owned the same type of Sig Sauer pistol as Allen. He asked whether Mullin always believed that only one person was involved in killing Abby and Libby. And he asked why Allen was the lead suspect if there were no tips reported about him, only a form showing that Allen reported himself as being on the Monon High Bridge trail the day of Feb. 13, 2017.

"How long have you believed that only one person was involved in the murder of Abby and Libby?" Baldwin asked Mullin.

"Since the arrest of Richard Allen," Mullin replied.

"Before that, did you believe there were more?" Baldwin said.

"It doesn't really matter what I believed," Mullin responded.

The defense has previously asserted a theory that multiple people, Weber possibly among them, killed the girls as part of an Odinist ritualistic sacrifice. Again on Friday, Gull denied the defense's motions to admit that evidence, saying that case law requires a clear nexus between any third parties and the crime for a court to allow third-party evidence.

Baldwin brought up an August 2023 deposition, 10 months after Allen was arrested, in which Leazenby said that he and fellow Carroll County officer Tony Liggett had believed in 2017 that at least two people were involved in the killings.

Under direct examination Friday, Leazenby said that belief was "based upon the totality of the information provided to investigators" at that time. As new evidence became available and police arrested Allen, his belief changed.

A juror asked Leazenby how many previous murders he had "personally investigated." None, he responded, though he had been involved in prior murder investigations.

Defense says witness who lives near crime scene gave inconsistent statements​

Throughout his questioning Friday, Baldwin implied that Weber, who testified earlier this week, told an inconsistent story about what type of vehicle he drove home from work Feb. 13 and whether he went straight home. Weber has said he drove a white van home from his job in Lafayette from 2:02 p.m. to about 2:30 p.m.

Allen said in a prison confession that he saw a white van on the private drive, which runs under the Monon High Bridge east of Deer Creek, leading to Weber's house. Allen said he was spooked by the van, so he allegedly forced Abby and Libby off the high bridge and down a hill.

In a cross-examination, McLeland asked Mullin whether he coached Weber on what to say during a separate in-person and recorded interview in August.

"I did not tell him what to say," Mullin said, and he didn't tell Weber ahead of time what the purpose of the conversation would be.

Weber had reviewed his text messages to determine that he left work in the white van at 2:02 p.m. and got home around 2:30 p.m., Mullin said. Law enforcement confirmed Weber's account of his phone records.

"That's certainly interesting that (Weber) would review those text messages without knowing why he was coming in," Baldwin said. "Would you agree?"

"That is interesting," Mullin said, "and I have no explanation for that."

Jurors asked Mullin nine questions, many of which were about a trail camera discovered near the girls' bodies. The camera was on a hill west of the bodies and faced away from them, Mullin said, but at one point Delphi firefighter Pat Clawson could be seen on the camera as part of the search for the missing teens.

Given that Libby's phone was found beneath Abby's body and the last detected movement in the phone's health app was at 2:32 p.m., a juror asked Mullin whether he believed the girls died where they were found.

"Yes," Mullin replied.

Earlier on Friday, the defense called a police officer who first interviewed Weber. But Christopher Gootee, a Hammond police officer who helped with the investigation, claimed to not remember details of the interview ― even after he was shown a report of that conversation, which he did not write.

More at link
 
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Well that classmate of Kelsi's who murdered the guy in Lafayette seemed to get the insanity plea quite easily. I followed that case. He plead guilty. I am seriously considering if RA relatives knew and were shielding him.
Are you talking about Talmadge Jasper? He tried to get himself an insanity plea. He was found to be competent, took a plea deal, and is in prison. He's been mentioned in this thread.
 
Reading some of these LE testimonies, it's amazing they caught him at all. If it wasnt for the discovery of that "cleared" tip, they would still be looking for BG.
 
Are you talking about Talmadge Jasper? He tried to get himself an insanity plea. He was found to be competent, took a plea deal, and is in prison. He's been mentioned in this thread.
I thought it was an insanity plea deal he got to escape the death penalty no?
 
Nope. Pled guilty to murder, other charges dropped. 60 year sentence.
This is a copy of an appeal denied in the case. At the end it references the duped insanity plea he tried to get so it was faked apparently, which i didn't know about. Interesting. So did he escape the DP by pleading guilty?



Very interesting.
Last para of appeal document.

"Turning to the character of the offender, Jasper argues that the 60-year sentence is inappropriate in light of his young age, remorse, lack of criminal record, and guilty plea.Despite his youth, Jasper has a history of violent behavior and admitted to misuse of prescription drugs. Jasper also showed poor character by attempting to dupe mental health examiners through reports of visual and auditory hallucinations that the examiners viewed as “entirely fabricated or grossly exaggerated” and “suggestive of malingering.”App. Vol. II, pp. 173; 184-85. In short, Jasperhas failed to demonstratean overallcharacter that warrants relief.Considering the nature of the offense and the character of the offender, we find that Jasper’s sentence is not inappropriate. [19]We therefore affirm thetrial court’s judgment"
 
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Ok so whether RA is/was faking it or not, could he still get the DP because he hasn't gone for a plea deal?
 
Bob's 13 points from Friday, Nov. 1

Ok so D want the jury to think RA has a mental health problem? I cannot see what good that will do.

Some people are criticizing Bob for missing stuff in his 13 points LOL.

"13. I’m getting comments asking why I didn’t mention X or why I left out Y & Z.

It’s hard to include a day’s worth of testimony in 13 brief points. To see more, check out the 13News Delphi Debrief — Day 13 edition. We can fit in a lot in 48 minutes."
 
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This is the USA today link with contribution from Ron Wilkins. It has a report of the two LE testimonies - Mullins and Leazenby.


Friday ended with testimonies from two top local law enforcement officials at the time of the killings, Mullin and Leazenby, who were on the stand for two contentious hours of questioning.

Baldwin wasted no time interrogating Mullin, who now works as an investigator for the Carroll County prosecutor's office, about what Baldwin believes was a grave misstep in the investigation of the killings. Under direct examination that surpassed an hour, Mullin conceded that police lost dozens of audio recordings of interviews from two timeframes in 2017: from roughly Feb. 14 to early March and from approximately April 28 through June 2, according to the defense.

"Would you agree that it was dozens and dozens of interviews not available to either side?" Baldwin said.

"Correct," Mullin responded.

For reasons Mullin outlined in two undated reports whose contents weren't discussed Friday, dozens of 2017 interviews were irretrievably lost. Police recovered videos for some, but not the accompanying audios. Mullin said he believed some of the people were interviewed again if police considered their statements important to the case, but he couldn't recall how many.

Baldwin said defense attorneys didn't learn about the missing interviews until February of this year, and they received an explanation only after reaching out to prosecutors. Mullin said he wrote the reports to explain why police lost evidence as soon as he found out. In a heated moment, Baldwin questioned Mullin's credibility.

"If you could go back in time, you wouldn't have dated those reports?" Baldwin asked.

"If I knew you were going to do this to me now," Mullin responded, "I probably would have."

Through a litany of objections from Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, Baldwin questioned Mullin about why he didn't record an August phone call with Brad Weber, a man whose property is just across Deer Creek from where the girls' bodies were found and who owned the same type of Sig Sauer pistol as Allen. He asked whether Mullin always believed that only one person was involved in killing Abby and Libby. And he asked why Allen was the lead suspect if there were no tips reported about him, only a form showing that Allen reported himself as being on the Monon High Bridge trail the day of Feb. 13, 2017.

"How long have you believed that only one person was involved in the murder of Abby and Libby?" Baldwin asked Mullin.

"Since the arrest of Richard Allen," Mullin replied.

"Before that, did you believe there were more?" Baldwin said.

"It doesn't really matter what I believed," Mullin responded.

The defense has previously asserted a theory that multiple people, Weber possibly among them, killed the girls as part of an Odinist ritualistic sacrifice. Again on Friday, Gull denied the defense's motions to admit that evidence, saying that case law requires a clear nexus between any third parties and the crime for a court to allow third-party evidence.

Baldwin brought up an August 2023 deposition, 10 months after Allen was arrested, in which Leazenby said that he and fellow Carroll County officer Tony Liggett had believed in 2017 that at least two people were involved in the killings.

Under direct examination Friday, Leazenby said that belief was "based upon the totality of the information provided to investigators" at that time. As new evidence became available and police arrested Allen, his belief changed.

A juror asked Leazenby how many previous murders he had "personally investigated." None, he responded, though he had been involved in prior murder investigations.

Defense says witness who lives near crime scene gave inconsistent statements​

Throughout his questioning Friday, Baldwin implied that Weber, who testified earlier this week, told an inconsistent story about what type of vehicle he drove home from work Feb. 13 and whether he went straight home. Weber has said he drove a white van home from his job in Lafayette from 2:02 p.m. to about 2:30 p.m.

Allen said in a prison confession that he saw a white van on the private drive, which runs under the Monon High Bridge east of Deer Creek, leading to Weber's house. Allen said he was spooked by the van, so he allegedly forced Abby and Libby off the high bridge and down a hill.

In a cross-examination, McLeland asked Mullin whether he coached Weber on what to say during a separate in-person and recorded interview in August.

"I did not tell him what to say," Mullin said, and he didn't tell Weber ahead of time what the purpose of the conversation would be.

Weber had reviewed his text messages to determine that he left work in the white van at 2:02 p.m. and got home around 2:30 p.m., Mullin said. Law enforcement confirmed Weber's account of his phone records.

"That's certainly interesting that (Weber) would review those text messages without knowing why he was coming in," Baldwin said. "Would you agree?"

"That is interesting," Mullin said, "and I have no explanation for that."

Jurors asked Mullin nine questions, many of which were about a trail camera discovered near the girls' bodies. The camera was on a hill west of the bodies and faced away from them, Mullin said, but at one point Delphi firefighter Pat Clawson could be seen on the camera as part of the search for the missing teens.

Given that Libby's phone was found beneath Abby's body and the last detected movement in the phone's health app was at 2:32 p.m., a juror asked Mullin whether he believed the girls died where they were found.

"Yes," Mullin replied.

Earlier on Friday, the defense called a police officer who first interviewed Weber. But Christopher Gootee, a Hammond police officer who helped with the investigation, claimed to not remember details of the interview ― even after he was shown a report of that conversation, which he did not write.

More at link

Good Lord. There is nothing I am going to defend nor will I say no screwups happened in this case because they clearly did. I'd say the lost interviews and misplaced tip being the biggest.

I don't find it odd though that Weber reviewed on being called in, I mean what would he think it was about?

Some things well, they are making what they can of it... Looks bad with the screwups and so let's do what we can with other things (the D). The van thing to me is hard to ignore. Against RA I mean. There are just some, actually many things that despite all the screwups can't be dismissed.

For this to be some huge conspiracy so many would have to be involved, from Weber, to Wala, to every guard in the prison and to the warden and more I am too beyond to name or think of right now. Such a thought is ridiculous.

But, I guess, the D is finally doing their job. However, for a man that it seems like would have preferred to plead and already be done with this but the controlling and selifsh people in his life would not let him. Mom. Wife. His self interested attorneys. IMHO. IMHO.

And right now, I think I'm still in a place that I think his wife needs more help than HE does.

I don't know about anyone else but right now, I'm a bit beyond with it. And my overwhelming thought is how sorry I am for the girls' families right now. Always am, but my GOd they are going through all this BS day after day. AND for the jury.
 
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I absolutely cannot read any more reporting right now. After the "dense" attorney and then mixing up the P and the D, I was done in minutes.
In this case and in general, reporting's terrible but like you've said, one's obliviousto it unless already- or subsequently- knowledgable of the facts.

Another problem I see, specific to the article in Tresir's post #8787, whose opinion is it that "the case against Allen relies largely on those confessions"?
Well, they ain't my opinion but indeed, the fact that Allen saw Weber as he returned home puts Allen right there, right then, period.

Re Baldwin questioning Mullin's as to why Weber reviewed texts before his interview, had Baldwin not asked Weber? And was that objected to by the prosecution?
Regardless, it's a defense tactic I observed used in the Read trial where one witness is asked the why another witness did his or that rather than ask that other witness.
 
Ok so D want the jury to think RA has a mental health problem? I cannot see what good that will do.

Some people are criticizing Bob for missing stuff in his 13 points LOL.

"13. I’m getting comments asking why I didn’t mention X or why I left out Y & Z.

It’s hard to include a day’s worth of testimony in 13 brief points. To see more, check out the 13News Delphi Debrief — Day 13 edition. We can fit in a lot in 48 minutes."
Yeah it's news right? I mean they have not adapted and it's just how it is lol. aNd a lot of people who don't follow more or more deeply just want those five key points or in this case 13 or their attention span will waver. And I get it, because lack of time, etc. in such cases. I admit I often have little but when I do I go to more in depth on such.

It was not DM didn't it used to be was it Heavy .com or something that always did 5 key points?

I mean there's nothing wrong with it but anyone thinking they are getting a full picture of all going on by reading such and nothing else but traditional news, are wrong. IMO.
 

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