LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *GUILTY*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]



Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]

Murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German - Wikipedia

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On Feb 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams & Liberty German were discovered in Delphi, #INDIANA. The suspect in their deaths is awaiting trial.

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant, though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." Even with a lot of media coverage, their murders remain unsolved.

www.crimewatchers.net

 

[GrandmaBear]

How long did he have the current computer? I've had some for over five years. Even if it is new. Child porn isn't an on and off type psychological disorder. It's an addiction.

Nobody thinks they'll be caught and therefore do little to cover things up until they're looked at. IIRC, KK tried deleting stuff from his computers and phones when the heat was on.

In my last comment, I'm saying that it is awfully strange given the crime he's accused of. Yes, it's damning.

I don't know but CP is a whole lot different of a thing to have on your home computer with your wife, etc. isn't it, that's some other things? Keep in mind his main PHONE at he time is MISSING. What was he watching the stock ticker on? What did he do and where did he go when kids were out of school, he had free time and wifey was working? What in case are burger phone sfor, think LISK, think Daybell, think many.

You can say this, or one can believe his confessions. Pick and choose.

He lived a secret life.

Who even knows if the missing phone was one his wife was every aware of?

And it is NOT false that they have a number from then that is to a phone not found.

That is a FACT. And in later interviews he was funding what phone and number he had. I found that pretty interesting but just forgetrul right, couldn't recall.

As to computers, same. It's unfortunate but it's the case it is. And yes they lost five years plus.

In 2022 he was search for not quite so CP things but pretty much hints of things. You live with your Catholic wife who in my opinion probably kept a pretty close control over RA. He's a sex addict and here's another thing, so many are still stuck on one kind of thing that way but look what warped minds get into. LISK is every where from searching 10 year old or whatever it was blondes to Asians to trans to you name it.

He is worried every day of his life about getting caught.

I'm not saying these things aren't questions to be hashed out for years to come but this case is this case, and the jury will decide. He had years to get rid of everthing that related.

Imo, he's no total idiot like some. Stephan Sterns in Soto is an idiot.

Since when have we watched a case that all is answered? We always want it, I think even stupidly expect it in each and every one when we know better.

Who knows.

I also suspect there are things known we are not hearing. Or suspected.

I think he has juvenile offenses and maybe even something as a young adult that was expunged. No one EVER hears about such. And it's just my opinion.

All is not perfect, it never is. We'd all love every case to have every question answered and it all wrapped up all nice and tidy in the perfect bow.

To the end of time, I will believe Lori and Chad were involved in Alex's death and so do most of the involved prosecutors and LE that have dont interviews with Nate after. They exhibiit a bit of different levels in what they are willing to say but it's pretty clear.

In LISK there are cases they can tie phones too and in older ones, not so much. Another case the are dealing with a not perfect investigation in the beginning.

You show what you can show. All hs things have not been found, all burner phones of Lori and Chad have not been found, etc.

It is not going to have a perfect bow, none are. it isn't sone fictional made for TV thing.

Can anyone have questions and all can ask them forever? Sure. I have many but they go the opposite way of yours. There is little here about his life, his earlier life, his alias, and you name it. Tons more. He was management and gave it up and I have a lot of suspicions about that.. They moved.. We have never heard from daughter and wife.

Wife won't smile back at Rick... What's that about...

I could go on and on but am not going to. We have to take what we have and what the case is.

Well you or no one has to, don't get me wrong...

There is a trial, there is a jury, there is evidence and it will soon be in their hands.

My God I need to learn to go to bed. Lol. Dragging.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He's confessed 61 times, allegedly.

No, last I knew it was closer to 100. And to my knowledge, Gull ruled none out and the D is up so they have their turn.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Does anyone else think that the secrecy and moves to keep the trial, as closed to public scrutiny as possible, hinky?

No.

While I don't like it nor agree, there are reportes there and people like Tom taking down every word they possibly can. While there will be no camera to go back to check on should it ever be said, this wasn't said that wasn't said, etc. then there will be families, reporters, public and tons of people saying oh yes it was and there is reporting.

It may seem archaic but truly isn't most things. The only thing you could get from our trial or that ever was is a court reporter transcript but we all know what happened, so does the jury. It's the old normal way.

There is NO lack of public scrutiny either. Media has seats, etc. WE think it's behind the times but tons go this way every single day. If I were in her shoes, I'd be transparent as HE77 and have coverage but then I haven't dealt with all of the idiots she has.We had at tops too or three reporters in our courtroom and it was all handwritten notes. Didn't seem odd at the time and most traditional news is just picking up or trying to, some key points to do an article and cover before they go off on the college football game to cover that, or city council meeting.

It's just old school and honestly that's where many still are, maybe most even.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm so confused over this stuff. Everything has been so secretive it's hard to remember. Whatever the pleading was to get a search warrant (Franks memo?) had lies, or at best stretched truths to it.

I got on you for being a conspiracy theorist? I don't remember that. If I did I was probably joking around. If I wasn't, I apologize.

Why won't they let us hear the entire recording? Do that, and I'll have a lot more to delineate if it's his voice or not. I've been kidded about how I pronounce certain words. His pronunciation of common words would help a lot, as well as his cadence and emphasis.

I can't say how a killer thinks because it's beyond my comprehension, but I'd probably lie and tell my wife I did go, but never went.

We change, and it just went from one a.m. to one a.m. So the Bills game will feel like it's starting at noon tomorrow.

Yes you did, seemed to be perhaps a joking thing to a point but not a single thing ever called for it, was very odd when I first came. I think though lol most would say the big conpriracy theorist here, if honest, is you, lol.

Yes, the D's Frank's memo had lies.

And I'd point out here that you said to me the other day if I want to get your attention, the way is not to mention emu. Right here, you are not replying to a post of mine, tagging or any such thing. I am just reading since going to bed what an hour or so ago Lol and catching up, when I looked at it until reading through wasn't even sure it related to me or anything I said.

Third paragraph of yours. I agree with this, and the jury has a ton they've heard veruss us. A\s to his cadence, way of pronouncing words and more. We've "heard" noting in this trial other than people reporting what they've heard. I keep that in mind...

Lost me there, you'd tell your wife you did go but never did go in your fourth?

You went from one to one a.m.??

Packers rule and so while I can understand about the Bills lol... If I had not read this post or skimmed or skipped, I would never have realized it was a response to one of mine.

Hope you are doing okay. We differ in this one but so what... That's the way of things...

 

[Tresir]

Ok this link has detail of the confessions. Posting it as a recap for us. It is too big to copy but covers the white van mentioned by Weber as well as the confession about the white van by RA.

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

I just came across a good account of Wala's testimony. It includes some daily notes of her visits. It also explains where he was on a mental health scale of A - F with A being the lowest and E being the highest. F is reserved for those syffering from substance abuse. She graded him D.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 14 live blog

Follow the trial of Richard Allen, accused of the Delphi Murders, as it continues with videos of Allen from prison and testimony from witnesses.

www.wishtv.com

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 11 | Prison psychologist says Allen made multiple confessions​

DELPHI — Day 11 of the Delphi Murders Trial began with the state of Indiana calling Dr. Monica Wala. She was the lead psychologist at Westville Correctional Facility and cared for Richard Allen while he was in jail.
Allen faces multiple counts of murder from the February 2017 deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German.
Wala said during her visits with Allen, she took notes on a pad and then transferred those notes into an electronic database.
Wala began seeing Allen as a patient in November 2022. She said since Allen was on suicide watch, she visited him daily. Allen remained on suicide watch until December 2022. He was placed back on suicide watch in April 2023.
Wala testified she didn't believe Allen was at the level of imminent harm until things "took a turn" in April 2023.
She said she advised Allen not to talk about the case, but at some point began receiving confessions from Allen regarding the killings of Williams and German.
Wala would visit Allen at his cell door in a cubical at the jail.
She shared some of the notes she took regarding Allen's confessions with her.
She wrote that Allen said:
-"I committed these murders on my own."
-"I made sure they were dead so they didn't suffer."
She also said Allen indicated that his intentions toward the girls were sexual, that he believed the girls were 18 or 19 years old, but that they could have been as young as eleven.
She wrote that Allen confessed that he:
-Was selfish, a coward, and took their [Abby and Libby's] lives to save his own
-Wanted to apologize to the victim's families
-Wanted to go back and change his actions
-Thought a problem began when he was a child
-Experimented by molesting his sister
-Became an alcoholic and had help from his wife Kathy
-Talked about belief in God and hoped others found God before they die
-Wanted to give a Bible to Abby's and Libby's families or someone he thought needed help
-Was glad he didn't kill himself so he could see his family
Wala said Allen's religion often was a focus of their meetings. She observed that Allen slept with a Bible, asked for a chaplain, read his Bible, talked about God, and expressed concern for Wala's faith.
Wala's observation on Allen's mental status varied. She said Allen's emotions were up and down. She said sometimes he would go off on a tangent, but she did not believe he was having hallucinations. She said Allen entered Westville Correctional Facility with depression and anxiety, but felt that had "improved."
Throughout Wala's testimony of these conditions, jurors were taking notes. Wala testified about her reports of visits with Allen's from multiple days.
5/2/2023
She said Allen often would repeat himself. He made statements about the murders saying, "I killed Abby and Libby. I will kill anyone. I will wipe out everybody." He also talked about World War III. Wala said Allen said was going to kill himself by jumping off the sink in his cell. He made comments like, "I killed myself by killing my entire family and best friend."
Yet later he told the doctor, "I won't kill myself, I'm too much of a coward."
Wala discussed Allen's behavior with her patient. She told the jury that Allen said he knew it didn't make sense to eat his own feces.
Wala said Allen didn't present as being psychotic. However, he was inconsistent in her estimation, and she believed he was "sane."
She also monitored Allen for situational psychosis. She said it would last about a month and then he would return to normal. She gave Allen games to occupy his mind and upgraded him to a constant suicide watch.
Wala mentioned how Allen broke his tablet and was given a new one more quickly "than other inmates." Usually if inmates break a tablet, it can take months to get another one due to the high demand. She said Allen was also given a TV by the warden.
5/3/2023
On Wala's visit the next day, she began an examination for situational psychosis. She said it takes time to diagnose. She noted Allen had disorganized speech and disorganized behavior. She also noted more of what she called confessions from Allen.
According to Wala's testimony that day, Allen confessed he saw the girls on the trails, followed them across the bridge, and mentioned doing something with his gun, which she said is how the cartridge could've gotten there.
Wala claims Allen then said he ordered the girls down the hill, across the creek, wanted to sexually assault them but didn't, cut their necks, made sure they were dead, covered bodies with branches, stayed off the trails to leave and not be seen, then continued to live his life normally ever since.
Wala believed Allen appeared to be normal during the time of confession and showed signs of being relieved after his statement.
5/5/2023
Wala said she evaluated Allen for suicide risk every six months. Her goal was to "keep Allen safe." She then revised his suicide watch from constant to close.
5/9/2023
Allen allegedly told Wala he wanted to "just sign my confession."
Wala advised he needed to speak with his attorneys. Allen then said he wanted to snap his neck and kill himself.
5/10/2023
Wala testified that Allen spoke with his wife Kathy on the phone during this visit. He wanted Wala present so his wife could "understand" his confession. Wala said when Allen told Kathy "I killed Abby and Libby" she hung up.
"She doesn't believe me," Allen said a the time. "I didn't do everything I said, but I did kill Abby and Libby."
Wala noted that during this conversation, Allen showed no signs of psychosis and seemed to be calm.
5/11/2023
Wala said that Allen wanted closure for himself and wanted to apologize to the girls' families.
9/2/2023
Allen told Wala he wanted to go to heaven, that he was afraid of dying, but felt like he was dying.
She noted Allen told her he "didn't know if he was going to heaven, was scared he wouldn't get to say goodbye, and felt he was a burden to his family."
Cross-examination of Dr. Monica Wala was conducted by defense attorney Brad Rozzi.
Wala told the court she is no longer at the Department of Corrections.
She admitted that she was familiar with the Richard Allen case. She said she followed the discussions on Facebook, on podcasts, and online. She told Rozzi her interest grew as time went on.
Rozzi asked if she accessed a Department of Corrections computer in an effort to gain information regarding the case — information the public could not access.
Wala admitted, "I did that."
Rozzi questioned why she was no longer employed by the Department of Corrections.
Her answer was only that they (DOC) had to do an investigation.
She also shared information with the public about how they could access information on the case. The defense contended she shared that information on places like TrueCrime, a twitter account called Defense Diaries, Criminality, Prosecution, Gray Hughes, as well as chat rooms and on Facebook.
When Rozzi asked if that was against the American Psychological Association guidelines, Wala replied it is "a grey area."
Rozzi pointed out Wala commuted an hour-and-a-half each day to follow the case.
Rozzi brought up a deposition when Wala was asked if she had disclosed to her employer about how closely she was following the case. She said discussed it with her supervisor as he was coming into the facility (the jail) one day.
Rozzi pointed out statement taken from Wala on June 6, 2024. Rozzi said "Did I ask if you reported it to a supervisor?"
She said, "It was a no. I didn't do anything formal. I took your question as a formal report."
During cross-examination, Wala admitted she told Richard Allen what she was seeing online about him and about his case.
Wala also said Allen was a Code D on the mental health scale. The scale spans from A to F. A is the least severe. E is the most severe, and the letter F is reserved for those suffering from substance abuse.
4/7/2023
Wala testified that she advised Allen that it wasn't in his best interest to confess. She believed Allen was claiming memory loss and was faking behaviors.
4/10/2023
Wala visited Allen on April 10, 2023, outside of his cell. She said he raised his arms up and down through the visit, would not answer her, refused meals, urinated outside of his toilet, did unknown things to his private area, had papers scattered around his cell and was naked.
Wala noted a shift in Allen's behavior after he received his legal documentation and discovery.
She said it appeared that Allen received his discovery around the time he started confessing to the murders. The warden didn't want other inmates to see Allen's documentation, so he changed his companion officers.
4/12/2023
During this visit, Allen was seen clapping and banging his head on the door. She said he was constantly naked, rolling on the ground, touching his genitals, and refused recreation.
4/13/2023
Allen began eating and lying in his own feces.
She noted his escalating behavior but said it didn't qualify for emergent involuntary medication. Wala felt he was possibly having an emotional breakdown after seeing the discovery.
Allen was barely sleeping since he was called to suicide watch. She called in a psychiatrist.
4/14/2023
Following Allen eating his feces, he was forced medication.
4/17/2023
Allen's window appeared to be greasy and dirty. He was "acting bizarre" while praying in his cell but was wearing a kimono.
During that visit, he again closed his eyes and said he wanted to tell the truth. He also expressed wanting a medical diagnosis to explain what he did.
Wala testified Allen started rational thoughts before drifting off.
4/21/2023
Wala testified that she did not believe Allen's bizarre behavior that day was genuine.
4/25/2023
Allen reported having a mental divide. Wala felt this was either from Allen not taking his medication to see his wife or to be transferred.
4/28/2023
Allen was observed lying in bed naked. Wala noted a smell coming from his cell. Allen requested to shower before his visit.
During this visit, Richard Allen flushed his Bible down the toilet and called himself selfish.
Wala believed his behavior was not psychotic. Instead, she noted it as defiant with no real motive.
He also believed Allen was severely depressed.
Brad Rozzi, one of Allen's defense attorneys, cross-examined Wala.
Rozzi clarified the following:

• Wala is no longer allowed back at the DOC following her July 31 testimony
• Wala violated the DOC's policy by accessing information about the Richard Allen case. (Wala admitted to using her personal computer to log into a system to access documents related to Allen that were not made public.)
• Wala followed the case before she started treating Allen
• Wala was included in Facebook groups and podcasts related to Allen's case
• Wala's interest in the case grew as it continued

Rozzi asked, "You never disclosed to your employer that you had personal interest?"
"I think I did, deposition said no," Wala said.
"If you had the chance to do it all over again, would you have stopped following the case while treating Allen," asked Rozzi.
"Probably," Wala said.
One juror appeared shocked during the cross-examination.
Rozzi pointed out Wala told Allen things she learned online about the case, and no clinical testing was done on Allen.
Officials say it is hard for the DOC to do formal psychological testing on inmates due to resources.
Wala testified her analysis of Allen included:

• Major depression disorder
• Anxiety Disorder
• Signs of Dependent Personality Syndrome
• His mental status was that of a "fragile man"
• Allen's housing remained the same for his entire 13-month stay at Westville Correctional Facility
• Allen's mental health score was a "D" on a scale of "A-F"

The defense disclosed Allen didn't receive orientation training when he was processed into the jail, even though every other inmate gets it.


Steve Mullen briefly returned to the stand for the prosecution Wednesday afternoon. He said they wanted to answer some questions asked by the jury about previous testimony regarding Richard Allen's Ford Focus.

Mullen said they searched for 2016 black Ford Focus sedans registered in the area in 2016 and 2017. Mullen said the total was 18, but only eight of them were the same SE model driven by Allen. When you narrowed the search to Carroll County, Richard Allen owned the only 2016 black Ford Focus SE sedan.

On cross-examination, the defense attorney asked if is is possible that another car — not registered in the county or the region could have visited the Monon High Trail that day.

Mullen said, "Yes."

The attorney also asked if Mullen could see the license plate of the Ford Focus in surveillance video.

Mullen said, "No."

When asked if Mullen could see the markings that proved the model of the car, he said, "No."

The state called Brad Webber as its final witness of the day. He lives near the Monon High Bridge Trail, and a portion of his driveway passes under the bridge.

The prosecution asked him about his job. He told them he is a first-shift worker who typically works 6 a.m. to 2 p.m.

When Webber was asked about his work scheduled for February 13, 2017, he said he clocked in at 5:41 a.m. and clocked out at 2:02 p.m. that day. On the stand, he said he went straight home after work, and it took 20 to 25 minutes.

There were some fireworks on the cross-examination of Webber.

Andrew Baldwin questioned Webber. He said, "In 2017, you told police you went and worked on ATM machines."

Webber responded, "That's not correct."

Baldwin continued, " You didn't drive straight home."

Webber said, "I dropped off a trailer."

Baldwin replied, "That was earlier in the day."

Webber shouted his answer at Baldwin "That's not correct! No!," and Webber and Baldwin started screaming at each other in open court.

At that point, Baldwin approached the witness stand and served a subpoena to force Webber to testify when the defense calls witnesses later in the trial. Special Judge Fran Gull ended the session.

On Thursday, jurors will likely hear 2+ hours of audio in the courtroom. Those recordings will probably include telephone conversations Richard Allen had from jail.

WATCH | Correctional facility staff recount alleged confessions from Richard Allen

Pretty detailed. i have a feeling some of us would center on different things in this.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ok Aspen is having a go at the court for the same reason we did. Not giving the same respect to the girls that they did to RA. Having to look at the back of a TV for a couple of hours. Then just a few minutes testimony from Carter.

Aspen is mad about this, like Becky Patty and I don't blame them.

Thank you for filling me in! I';d have never gotten to it. By the time I catch up with those I try to, I will be behind again.

Totally agree with Becky. I'm still irate about it.

So many, all, even, go out of their way to consider defendant's rights, but man what about the families of the victims. We hare it over and over and over again. The defendant. Any case.

 

[GrandmaBear]

So the discovery is what set him off on his bizarre behaviour. No attorney was there for him. Wala put it in her notes.


4/10/2023
Wala visited Allen on April 10, 2023, outside of his cell. She said he raised his arms up and down through the visit, would not answer her, refused meals, urinated outside of his toilet, did unknown things to his private area, had papers scattered around his cell and was naked.
Wala noted a shift in Allen's behavior after he received his legal documentation and discovery.
She said it appeared that Allen received his discovery around the time he started confessing to the murders. The warden didn't want other inmates to see Allen's documentation, so he changed his companion officers.
4/12/2023
During this visit, Allen was seen clapping and banging his head on the door. She said he was constantly naked, rolling on the ground, touching his genitals, and refused recreation.
4/13/2023
Allen began eating and lying in his own feces.
She noted his escalating behavior but said it didn't qualify for emergent involuntary medication. Wala felt he was possibly having an emotional breakdown after seeing the discovery.
Allen was barely sleeping since he was called to suicide watch. She called in a psychiatrist.
4/14/2023
Following Allen eating his feces, he was forced medication.

Yeah, this is what I think Tom was sharing the other night. I thought I was Wala but didn't want to swear to it. As I said lol, he doesn't know any more Ethan all there have heard lol.

His defense was not there for him, or their counsel imo.

They've tried to change the date and when if I recall but they were not,

I've even said throughout more than once that I didn't think anyone could get me pitying a defendant but these two (the D) did. I hate the awful things I believe he did to these girls but it does not mean I don't think all should have counsel, etc.

I'm having to move about double or so as fast as normal this morng, or what I prefer, but there was something above if I had more time I'd point out, saying it now as it may remind me later. In Wala's stuff I think. Someting about he had to kill the girls or he would die or some such. Again putting it here so I look for it later today to come up with my thoughts/questions on that... There were ea few things if I had more time I'd talk of but that was I think the key one. Probably paraphrasing and not word for word on it...

 

[Tresir]

I'm not going to speak for anyone else, but can say outright, I am not going to read it. Going to guess a few others may not either but who knows.

Ancient history or they can try more appeals with it.

No I am not wasting time on something that has been rejected as evidence. It is just a far-fetched fairy tale.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ok this link has detail of the confessions. Posting it as a recap for us. It is too big to copy but covers the white van mentioned by Weber as well as the confession about the white van by RA.

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

Responding so that I hopefully see it later and take a look at your link on this.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No I am not wasting time on something that has been rejected as evidence. It is just a far-fetched fairy tale.

Same. And it seems to be the norm some are doing with lot of cases these days. I want to be nice but I want to talk the trial now that we are finally here.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

The whole Libby recording was played in court and described by reporters in this thread but has not been heard outside of court as it was not allowed.

How do you know Holeman was shouting at RA? Have you heard the interview?

I read a breakdown of the interview that was posted here.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

The closed up tight part sure seems like they don't want something out. I'm not sure what, but "something" is off with it.

Thank you. That really doesn't sit right with me too.

I just came across a good account of Wala's testimony. It includes some daily notes of her visits. It also explains where he was on a mental health scale of A - F with A being the lowest and E being the highest. F is reserved for those syffering from substance abuse. She graded him D.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 14 live blog

Follow the trial of Richard Allen, accused of the Delphi Murders, as it continues with videos of Allen from prison and testimony from witnesses.

www.wishtv.com

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 11 | Prison psychologist says Allen made multiple confessions​

DELPHI — Day 11 of the Delphi Murders Trial began with the state of Indiana calling Dr. Monica Wala. She was the lead psychologist at Westville Correctional Facility and cared for Richard Allen while he was in jail.
Allen faces multiple counts of murder from the February 2017 deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German.
Wala said during her visits with Allen, she took notes on a pad and then transferred those notes into an electronic database.
Wala began seeing Allen as a patient in November 2022. She said since Allen was on suicide watch, she visited him daily. Allen remained on suicide watch until December 2022. He was placed back on suicide watch in April 2023.
Wala testified she didn't believe Allen was at the level of imminent harm until things "took a turn" in April 2023.
She said she advised Allen not to talk about the case, but at some point began receiving confessions from Allen regarding the killings of Williams and German.
Wala would visit Allen at his cell door in a cubical at the jail.
She shared some of the notes she took regarding Allen's confessions with her.
She wrote that Allen said:
-"I committed these murders on my own."
-"I made sure they were dead so they didn't suffer."
She also said Allen indicated that his intentions toward the girls were sexual, that he believed the girls were 18 or 19 years old, but that they could have been as young as eleven.
She wrote that Allen confessed that he:
-Was selfish, a coward, and took their [Abby and Libby's] lives to save his own
-Wanted to apologize to the victim's families
-Wanted to go back and change his actions
-Thought a problem began when he was a child
-Experimented by molesting his sister
-Became an alcoholic and had help from his wife Kathy
-Talked about belief in God and hoped others found God before they die
-Wanted to give a Bible to Abby's and Libby's families or someone he thought needed help
-Was glad he didn't kill himself so he could see his family
Wala said Allen's religion often was a focus of their meetings. She observed that Allen slept with a Bible, asked for a chaplain, read his Bible, talked about God, and expressed concern for Wala's faith.
Wala's observation on Allen's mental status varied. She said Allen's emotions were up and down. She said sometimes he would go off on a tangent, but she did not believe he was having hallucinations. She said Allen entered Westville Correctional Facility with depression and anxiety, but felt that had "improved."
Throughout Wala's testimony of these conditions, jurors were taking notes. Wala testified about her reports of visits with Allen's from multiple days.
5/2/2023
She said Allen often would repeat himself. He made statements about the murders saying, "I killed Abby and Libby. I will kill anyone. I will wipe out everybody." He also talked about World War III. Wala said Allen said was going to kill himself by jumping off the sink in his cell. He made comments like, "I killed myself by killing my entire family and best friend."
Yet later he told the doctor, "I won't kill myself, I'm too much of a coward."
Wala discussed Allen's behavior with her patient. She told the jury that Allen said he knew it didn't make sense to eat his own feces.
Wala said Allen didn't present as being psychotic. However, he was inconsistent in her estimation, and she believed he was "sane."
She also monitored Allen for situational psychosis. She said it would last about a month and then he would return to normal. She gave Allen games to occupy his mind and upgraded him to a constant suicide watch.
Wala mentioned how Allen broke his tablet and was given a new one more quickly "than other inmates." Usually if inmates break a tablet, it can take months to get another one due to the high demand. She said Allen was also given a TV by the warden.
5/3/2023
On Wala's visit the next day, she began an examination for situational psychosis. She said it takes time to diagnose. She noted Allen had disorganized speech and disorganized behavior. She also noted more of what she called confessions from Allen.
According to Wala's testimony that day, Allen confessed he saw the girls on the trails, followed them across the bridge, and mentioned doing something with his gun, which she said is how the cartridge could've gotten there.
Wala claims Allen then said he ordered the girls down the hill, across the creek, wanted to sexually assault them but didn't, cut their necks, made sure they were dead, covered bodies with branches, stayed off the trails to leave and not be seen, then continued to live his life normally ever since.
Wala believed Allen appeared to be normal during the time of confession and showed signs of being relieved after his statement.
5/5/2023
Wala said she evaluated Allen for suicide risk every six months. Her goal was to "keep Allen safe." She then revised his suicide watch from constant to close.
5/9/2023
Allen allegedly told Wala he wanted to "just sign my confession."
Wala advised he needed to speak with his attorneys. Allen then said he wanted to snap his neck and kill himself.
5/10/2023
Wala testified that Allen spoke with his wife Kathy on the phone during this visit. He wanted Wala present so his wife could "understand" his confession. Wala said when Allen told Kathy "I killed Abby and Libby" she hung up.
"She doesn't believe me," Allen said a the time. "I didn't do everything I said, but I did kill Abby and Libby."
Wala noted that during this conversation, Allen showed no signs of psychosis and seemed to be calm.
5/11/2023
Wala said that Allen wanted closure for himself and wanted to apologize to the girls' families.
9/2/2023
Allen told Wala he wanted to go to heaven, that he was afraid of dying, but felt like he was dying.
She noted Allen told her he "didn't know if he was going to heaven, was scared he wouldn't get to say goodbye, and felt he was a burden to his family."
Cross-examination of Dr. Monica Wala was conducted by defense attorney Brad Rozzi.
Wala told the court she is no longer at the Department of Corrections.
She admitted that she was familiar with the Richard Allen case. She said she followed the discussions on Facebook, on podcasts, and online. She told Rozzi her interest grew as time went on.
Rozzi asked if she accessed a Department of Corrections computer in an effort to gain information regarding the case — information the public could not access.
Wala admitted, "I did that."
Rozzi questioned why she was no longer employed by the Department of Corrections.
Her answer was only that they (DOC) had to do an investigation.
She also shared information with the public about how they could access information on the case. The defense contended she shared that information on places like TrueCrime, a twitter account called Defense Diaries, Criminality, Prosecution, Gray Hughes, as well as chat rooms and on Facebook.
When Rozzi asked if that was against the American Psychological Association guidelines, Wala replied it is "a grey area."
Rozzi pointed out Wala commuted an hour-and-a-half each day to follow the case.
Rozzi brought up a deposition when Wala was asked if she had disclosed to her employer about how closely she was following the case. She said discussed it with her supervisor as he was coming into the facility (the jail) one day.
Rozzi pointed out statement taken from Wala on June 6, 2024. Rozzi said "Did I ask if you reported it to a supervisor?"
She said, "It was a no. I didn't do anything formal. I took your question as a formal report."
During cross-examination, Wala admitted she told Richard Allen what she was seeing online about him and about his case.
Wala also said Allen was a Code D on the mental health scale. The scale spans from A to F. A is the least severe. E is the most severe, and the letter F is reserved for those suffering from substance abuse.
4/7/2023
Wala testified that she advised Allen that it wasn't in his best interest to confess. She believed Allen was claiming memory loss and was faking behaviors.
4/10/2023
Wala visited Allen on April 10, 2023, outside of his cell. She said he raised his arms up and down through the visit, would not answer her, refused meals, urinated outside of his toilet, did unknown things to his private area, had papers scattered around his cell and was naked.
Wala noted a shift in Allen's behavior after he received his legal documentation and discovery.
She said it appeared that Allen received his discovery around the time he started confessing to the murders. The warden didn't want other inmates to see Allen's documentation, so he changed his companion officers.
4/12/2023
During this visit, Allen was seen clapping and banging his head on the door. She said he was constantly naked, rolling on the ground, touching his genitals, and refused recreation.
4/13/2023
Allen began eating and lying in his own feces.
She noted his escalating behavior but said it didn't qualify for emergent involuntary medication. Wala felt he was possibly having an emotional breakdown after seeing the discovery.
Allen was barely sleeping since he was called to suicide watch. She called in a psychiatrist.
4/14/2023
Following Allen eating his feces, he was forced medication.
4/17/2023
Allen's window appeared to be greasy and dirty. He was "acting bizarre" while praying in his cell but was wearing a kimono.
During that visit, he again closed his eyes and said he wanted to tell the truth. He also expressed wanting a medical diagnosis to explain what he did.
Wala testified Allen started rational thoughts before drifting off.
4/21/2023
Wala testified that she did not believe Allen's bizarre behavior that day was genuine.
4/25/2023
Allen reported having a mental divide. Wala felt this was either from Allen not taking his medication to see his wife or to be transferred.
4/28/2023
Allen was observed lying in bed naked. Wala noted a smell coming from his cell. Allen requested to shower before his visit.
During this visit, Richard Allen flushed his Bible down the toilet and called himself selfish.
Wala believed his behavior was not psychotic. Instead, she noted it as defiant with no real motive.
He also believed Allen was severely depressed.
Brad Rozzi, one of Allen's defense attorneys, cross-examined Wala.
Rozzi clarified the following:

• Wala is no longer allowed back at the DOC following her July 31 testimony
• Wala violated the DOC's policy by accessing information about the Richard Allen case. (Wala admitted to using her personal computer to log into a system to access documents related to Allen that were not made public.)
• Wala followed the case before she started treating Allen
• Wala was included in Facebook groups and podcasts related to Allen's case
• Wala's interest in the case grew as it continued

Rozzi asked, "You never disclosed to your employer that you had personal interest?"
"I think I did, deposition said no," Wala said.
"If you had the chance to do it all over again, would you have stopped following the case while treating Allen," asked Rozzi.
"Probably," Wala said.
One juror appeared shocked during the cross-examination.
Rozzi pointed out Wala told Allen things she learned online about the case, and no clinical testing was done on Allen.
Officials say it is hard for the DOC to do formal psychological testing on inmates due to resources.
Wala testified her analysis of Allen included:

• Major depression disorder
• Anxiety Disorder
• Signs of Dependent Personality Syndrome
• His mental status was that of a "fragile man"
• Allen's housing remained the same for his entire 13-month stay at Westville Correctional Facility
• Allen's mental health score was a "D" on a scale of "A-F"

The defense disclosed Allen didn't receive orientation training when he was processed into the jail, even though every other inmate gets it.


Steve Mullen briefly returned to the stand for the prosecution Wednesday afternoon. He said they wanted to answer some questions asked by the jury about previous testimony regarding Richard Allen's Ford Focus.

Mullen said they searched for 2016 black Ford Focus sedans registered in the area in 2016 and 2017. Mullen said the total was 18, but only eight of them were the same SE model driven by Allen. When you narrowed the search to Carroll County, Richard Allen owned the only 2016 black Ford Focus SE sedan.

On cross-examination, the defense attorney asked if is is possible that another car — not registered in the county or the region could have visited the Monon High Trail that day.

Mullen said, "Yes."

The attorney also asked if Mullen could see the license plate of the Ford Focus in surveillance video.

Mullen said, "No."

When asked if Mullen could see the markings that proved the model of the car, he said, "No."

The state called Brad Webber as its final witness of the day. He lives near the Monon High Bridge Trail, and a portion of his driveway passes under the bridge.

The prosecution asked him about his job. He told them he is a first-shift worker who typically works 6 a.m. to 2 p.m.

When Webber was asked about his work scheduled for February 13, 2017, he said he clocked in at 5:41 a.m. and clocked out at 2:02 p.m. that day. On the stand, he said he went straight home after work, and it took 20 to 25 minutes.

There were some fireworks on the cross-examination of Webber.

Andrew Baldwin questioned Webber. He said, "In 2017, you told police you went and worked on ATM machines."

Webber responded, "That's not correct."

Baldwin continued, " You didn't drive straight home."

Webber said, "I dropped off a trailer."

Baldwin replied, "That was earlier in the day."

Webber shouted his answer at Baldwin "That's not correct! No!," and Webber and Baldwin started screaming at each other in open court.

At that point, Baldwin approached the witness stand and served a subpoena to force Webber to testify when the defense calls witnesses later in the trial. Special Judge Fran Gull ended the session.

On Thursday, jurors will likely hear 2+ hours of audio in the courtroom. Those recordings will probably include telephone conversations Richard Allen had from jail.

WATCH | Correctional facility staff recount alleged confessions from Richard Allen

If I'm reading correctly, Judge Gull allowed a lawyer and a witness to shout at each other in her court?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Yes you did, seemed to be perhaps a joking thing to a point but not a single thing ever called for it, was very odd when I first came. I think though lol most would say the big conpriracy theorist here, if honest, is you, lol.

Yes, the D's Frank's memo had lies.

And I'd point out here that you said to me the other day if I want to get your attention, the way is not to mention emu. Right here, you are not replying to a post of mine, tagging or any such thing. I am just reading since going to bed what an hour or so ago Lol and catching up, when I looked at it until reading through wasn't even sure it related to me or anything I said.

Third paragraph of yours. I agree with this, and the jury has a ton they've heard veruss us. A\s to his cadence, way of pronouncing words and more. We've "heard" noting in this trial other than people reporting what they've heard. I keep that in mind...

Lost me there, you'd tell your wife you did go but never did go in your fourth?

You went from one to one a.m.??

Packers rule and so while I can understand about the Bills lol... If I had not read this post or skimmed or skipped, I would never have realized it was a response to one of mine.

Hope you are doing okay. We differ in this one but so what... That's the way of things...

You, yourself, have said if people don't like reading your long posts, then don't read them. So I don't. I said I don't mind being called emu, but if you want to call attention to your posts for me, then label them @Cousin Dupree because that gives me a signal that there is a post mentioning me.

 

[Tresir]

While looking around, I found this article with the quote from it bolded below.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/us/delphi-teen-girls-killing-probable-cause-affidavit/index.html

"The affidavit does not make any reference to any other participants in the girls’ killings, despite Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland recently saying in court that he had “good reason to believe that Richard Allen is not the only actor in this heinous crime.'"

So, how'd they rule out someone else, or is this just more proof of a poor investigation or laziness on their part?

He could be referring to KK. We still don't know any detail about that meeting KK arranged with Libby, because he took a plea deal.

 

[Tresir]

Apparently, he has played up at Cass County jail too. I read it in one of the articles in the last day. Will try and find it.

Here it is. Also, the white van is the "unique knowledge" prosecutors waited for from RA.

Delphi murders: The missing piece - Carroll County Comet

Court records indicate that three weeks before Richard Allen was arrested for the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German, he, or someone using his Gmail account, searched Google for “best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” The Google search history was obtained through a warrant...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

On Tuesday, jurors heard evidence that Allen told his Indiana Department of Corrections (IDOC) clinical psychologist, Dr. Monica Wala, that he “laid in wait” and then followed the girls across High Bridge, intending to sexually assault them. He used his gun, he said, and told the girls to go “down the hill.” Allen said he got spooked when he saw a van and chose to kill the girls.

Liberty German, left, and Abigail Williams. File photo/The Comet

More confessions​

ISP Master Trooper Brian Harshman told jurors he listened to hundreds of hours of audio and video recordings of Allen while housed at Westville Correctional Facility, Wabash Valley Correctional Facility, and Cass County Jail.

Of the 700 recorded phone calls Allen made, McLeland played eight for the jury. In the recordings, calls to Allen’s wife Kathy and his mother, Allen makes multiple confessions saying he killed Abby and Libby.

“I listened to the calls over and over,” Harshman said. “Hundreds upon hundreds of hours were listened to.”

In the first call, dated Nov. 14, 2022, Allen tells his wife, “I’m sorry. I don’t want to upset you. If it gets to be too much, if this becomes too hard for you, get the officers, whatever they want me to say, I’ll say it.

Allen was crying into the phone on April 2023 when he said to his wife, “I love you.”

Kathy responded with, “I love you so much. I wish I could hug you. You need to hang in there.”

His next call to his mother came just a few hours later. He asked, “Did Kathy tell you I accepted the Lord?”

‘That’s so wonderful,” his mother, Janis, said.

“I got a family that’s gonna love me, and I got a God, I got God,” Allen said.

The next day, Allen called his wife and confessed to killing Abby and Libby.

“I want to apologize to you,” he said. “I killed Abby and Libby.”

His wife denied his allegations, saying, “No, you didn’t.”

“Yes, I did,” Allen replied.

Allen continues several more times in the conversations, saying, “I think I did it.” In a different call to his mother, he says, “I’m worried you guys are not going to love me because I told you I did it.”

“Rick, don’t talk like this,” his mother says. “I think they’re just messing with your head.”

No, Mom, they’re not,” he replied.

“I just know you don’t have it in you,” she said.

“Mom, I wouldn’t sit here and tell you I did it if I didn’t.”

Other confessions include, “I need you to know that I did this … I’m just trying to be at peace with things … I have to let you know that I did it though … It’s OK, I did it… I did it, dear … I killed Abby and Libby.”

In every conversation, Allen’s family denies his confessions, saying the (prison) is messing with his mind. They try to encourage him to stay strong.

Allen also told his family he feels like he’s losing his mind and expresses concern about whether his family will still love him.

Unique knowledge​

In May 2023, Allen confessed to Wala that he killed Abby and Libby. At that time, he told Wala he had intended to assault the girls but got spooked when he saw a van.

Prosecutors say that is the missing piece, information that only the killer would know.

Harshman said investigators did not have information about the van and the potential for it to be in the area at the time the girls were abducted until August of this year. Therefore, only the person who killed the girls would know that detail, he testified.

The van belongs to Carroll County resident Mark Weber. Weber lives at the end of a private drive that extends past County Road 625 West. The access road goes under High Bridge.

Harshman said the killer would be the only one having unique knowledge of the van.

The voice​

After listening to the audio evidence, McLeland addressed the voice of Bridge Guy.

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RICHARD ALLEN
He played the audio of Bridge Guy saying, “Girls … down the hill.”

“Do you recognize that voice,” he asked Harshman.

“Yes,” Harshman replied.

“Who do you believe that voice belongs to,” McLeland asked.

“The voice is Richard Allen,” Harshman said.

On cross-examination, defense attorney Brad Rozzi asked Harshman if Allen’s medications could have altered his voice.

McLeland objected, sighting speculation.

No video​

After the lunch break, McLeland attempted to admit into evidence a video it appeared he had received earlier in the day. The video, he said, would show Allen having to be restrained at the Cass County Jail after he was screaming, speaking lots of profanity, banging on his cell door, and telling a guard he was “going to kill him.”

The defense objected, having not seen the video. Special Judge Fran Gull allowed the defense 30 minutes to view the video. When they reconvened, the attorneys asked Gull to view the video in her chambers and then rule on if it could be admitted into evidence. After another 30-minute break for Gull to view the video, she sustained the Defense’s objection. The video will not be shown to jurors.

At 3:50 p.m., after 40 witnesses and more than 300 exhibits, the State rested.

 

[RoundPeg]

Apparently, he has played up at Cass County jail too. I read it in one of the articles in the last day. Will try and find it.

I read that somewhere, too.

 

[RoundPeg]

Here's Bob's 13 things from yesterday.

Thread by @BobSegallWTHR on Thread Reader App

@BobSegallWTHR: 13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Nov 2🧵 1. The jury got to see the jail videos we discussed yesterday: 15 camcorder videos taken by guards at the Westville prison....…

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[Guess Who]

Thank you. That really doesn't sit right with me too.



If I'm reading correctly, Judge Gull allowed a lawyer and a witness to shout at each other in her court?

See??? We didn't really know. We're stuck with other people's interpretation of what happened and hours after it happened so we're only getting some info and so much info not being known. I want to be able to make my own conclusion.

 

[Tresir]

I read a breakdown of the interview that was posted here.

Ok so you don't know he was shouting. I have read it and he was swearing a lot but we have no evidence he was shouting.