LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *GUILTY*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]

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Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]


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See??? We didn't really know. We're stuck with other people's interpretation of what happened and hours after it happened so we're only getting some info and so much info not being known. I want to be able to make my own conclusion.
He slapped a subpoena on him too while he was testifying.
 
Ok, swearing. Not much different than shouting, however. The point is the same. You're splitting hairs.
And you are gilding the lily. Some people regularly use swearing in their normal convo. The transcript actually shows they were both swearing at each other so it is a moot point.
 
And you are gilding the lily. Some people regularly use swearing in their normal convo. The transcript actually shows they were both swearing at each other so it is a moot point.

No, it's not. I don't think they were very calm voiced while swearing. "Please sir, would you F****** confess?"
"Thank you for being polite, but you can go F*** yourself."

I would be far more inclined to believe they were exchanged, at best, tersely. If a cop is swearing at you because you won't confess, there is a real problem. I can't remember ever seeing or hearing about a cop swearing at someone to confess, who was actually guilty. If they are swearing at you to confess, they've got nothing else.
 
No, it's not. I don't think they were very calm voiced while swearing. "Please sir, would you F****** confess?"
"Thank you for being polite, but you can go F*** yourself."

I would be far more inclined to believe they were exchanged, at best, tersely. If a cop is swearing at you because you won't confess, there is a real problem. I can't remember ever seeing or hearing about a cop swearing at someone to confess, who was actually guilty. If they are swearing at you to confess, they've got nothing else.
Yeah, when people swear like that, it's typically in a yelling form.
 
No, it's not. I don't think they were very calm voiced while swearing. "Please sir, would you F****** confess?"
"Thank you for being polite, but you can go F*** yourself."

I would be far more inclined to believe they were exchanged, at best, tersely. If a cop is swearing at you because you won't confess, there is a real problem. I can't remember ever seeing or hearing about a cop swearing at someone to confess, who was actually guilty. If they are swearing at you to confess, they've got nothing else.
Disagree. Police swear a lot especially dudes talking to dude suspects . Personal experience.
 
Recap on the Holeman/Allen arrest interview. Holeman calls his interview technique "building rapport". He also led Allen to believe it was a DP case.



Round found at the crime scene
Police found a single Winchester .40 caliber Smith & Wesson cartridge at the crime scene between the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German.
Many of Holeman's questions centered around that round and trying to determine how it got there.
Holeman said he believed "without a doubt" it was a round that had been cycled through Allen's gun. He testified he believed that based on the conclusion made by forensic examiners after they looked at and tested Allen's Sig Sauer Model 226 pistol.
Holeman said he worked to build rapport with Allen by talking about their similar military background and guns.
During the interview, Holeman said Allen claimed no one had ever borrowed any of his clothes, car, or .40 caliber handgun.
Allen never explained how a round found at the scene — one believed to have cycled through Allen's gun, could have gotten there.
Allen told police he never carried his gun unless he was fishing or mushroom hunting. He also said he did not have it with him on February 13, 2017, when he was walking on the trails.
Holeman testified Allen said, "There is no way it's my bullet or that it came from my gun."
When Allen was asked how he normally carried a gun, he responded he used a side holster. Allen told Holeman he usually carried his pistol with one round in his chamber.
Testimony revealed Allen continued to deny participating in the murders more than 20 times.
"It's already over."
Earlier in the trial, Holeman testified Allen told him, "It's already over" as police were searching his home while executing a search warrant.
Holeman testified he asked Allen about that comment and why he said it.
Allen replied, "The damage was done. You already interviewed my neighbors and co-workers. They all think I am guilty."
Holeman testified Allen said something to the effect that it (the arrest and murder charges) had ruined his life.
Interview technique of lying
During the questioning of Holeman, the lead investigator testified police often will lie during interrogation interviews to elicit a reaction from a possible suspect.
In his testimony, Holeman shared that he had told Allen there had been witnesses who said they had seen Allen on the bridge.
He also told Allen that an expert had determined that Allen was the man known as "Bridge Guy" in the video taken by Libby German on February 13, 2017.
Allen continued to deny his involvement at that point in the interview.
Holeman admitted he lied to Allen when he talked about the death penalty and how it was still on the line.
He said Allen replied, "I'm not going to tell you something I didn't do."
"I didn't do it."
Holeman said throughout the session, Allen continued to deny any involvement in the murders of the girls or to even knowing them.
Holeman testified Allen denied his involvement 20 to 25 times.
At one point Holeman said Allen stated, "I don't care what you do to me. I am not going to tell you I did something I didn't do."
Allen got angry during the interview and — according to Holeman Allen started to cuss. Holeman admitted he matched Allen's tone.
The lead investigator said he asked a series of questions regarding Allen being on the trails on February 13, 2017, and what he was wearing that day.
He said Allen responded, "I already told you I was out there. I already told you what I was wearing."
Holeman told Allen during the interview he believed Allen was a good man. He says Allen responded, "What kind of good person would kill two girls?"
After the interview, Holeman testified Allen said, "Take all your evidence and just arrest me."

During cross-examination, defense attorney Andrew Baldwin questioned the interrogation methods used by Holeman.
He asked Holeman why he told Allen, "Investigators want to lock you up and throw away the key."
Baldwin also asked why Holeman tried to make Allen confess by bringing up Allen's wife and daughter.
Baldwin asked why Holeman said, "You're going to drag your wife and daughter through this because you're too f***ingg bullheaded to get out in front of it."
Holeman testified he was simply trying to elicit a response from Allen.
Still, Allen denied any involvement.
Deception from interviewees
Holeman testified to how he determines if someone is lying to him while being interviewed.
He said he has the experience, which helps, but he also has learned how to pick up on suspect's cues. Those include:

  • body language
  • eye contact (or lack of it when they look away)
  • touching the face
  • hand movements
Holeman testified Allen showed no major signs of deception, and those that were there were very subtle.

Defense attorney Andrew Baldwin asked why the beginning of Allen's interview, when Holeman claimed he read Allen his Miranda Rights, was not recorded.
He said there were, "technical difficulties," and that portion of the interview wasn't captured.
Holeman said another investigator stopped the interview when they realized the session was not being recorded.
They proceeded after they got it fixed.

Baldwin then suggested that was just one of many "missing" videotaped recordings of the Richard Allen case.


(Baldwin is just flat out lying in court in that last statement.)
 
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Speaking of Holeman. Him and his bubbly personality paid a visit to Kyle Fortson shortly before he committed suicide.

Kyle Fortson of the Mitch Westerman drama.

I'd like to qualify Kyle made that decision to unalive himself solely on his own.

I'm just saying. I'm not blaming Holeman or Westerman. He just gets around.
 
I’m way behind again in here and I apologize. We had extended family come in from Joplin, Missouri and I’ve been with them for the last three days. And today I’ve got to play catch-up at home before I start work tomorrow! But I should get back on the stick this week.
 
Speaking of Holeman. Him and his bubbly personality paid a visit to Kyle Fortson shortly before he committed suicide.

Kyle Fortson of the Mitch Westerman drama.

I'd like to qualify Kyle made that decision to unalive himself solely on his own.

I'm just saying. I'm not blaming Holeman or Westerman. He just gets around.
Yes it was him. Forceful personality and presence from Holeman very possible. I think RF was thinking about his military career and possible dishonorable discharge. Sad situation for his young family but I blame MW. LE just following up on a serious evidence leak that could have compromised the investigation.
 

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