LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *GUILTY*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]



Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]

Murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German - Wikipedia

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On Feb 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams & Liberty German were discovered in Delphi, #INDIANA. The suspect in their deaths is awaiting trial.

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant, though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." Even with a lot of media coverage, their murders remain unsolved.

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[GrandmaBear]

So Tom gives the date of each video, the length, the number it is in the line up. The ONLY reaction through all he noted was they were on some jotting down a lot more notes than on others, otherwise, no major reactions.

This part ends at about 26:30 in his video here, I have not back it up to get a starting time but anyone can do so as far as they'd like until they find it. It's not a long stretch of his video, my guess maybe 5 minutes number the videos and dates and juror's reactions (basically none except notes)...? Ten tops and I doubt it..

The other things that are clear without anyone seeing them is these aren't the only videos of RA. They chose them selectively as it is April, then May, then June and not every day or even close to it by a long shot.



News just got another worthless for anything award from me. Especially the one with just "aghast" and how the D attorney was reacting too, oh and B tearing up. Yeah no acting there...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Around 20 minutes in. If any want some lead up can back up before that a bit. So to short, the point. Around 20 minutes in should do most to 26:30, a bit of lead up to the showing is prior to 20 minutes by just a bit. But six, seven minutes covers his notes on each video and reactions by jury, etc. NONE basically, just notes.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Not going to cover it all of course but Rick was as animated Satruday as he'd ever been seen... Some of that comes before... I forget the words but sounded almost jovial, talking with his guards with him ec... But then scowled, smiled and something at the public, attendees. Tom said only other time he saw such animation even close was one other time during some testimoy re his car being seen. Not sure he means good animated on that one...

He notes EXPRESSIONS a lot as well as all else he can come close to covering...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Wow so I'm already caught up with this one unless I listen to him talk to the chat and commenters. He covered Saturday, most of which he couldn't see wit the videos, then Doug Carter, the Max guy, a few sidebars and shortest one yet except the question and answer part. I LOVE his layout. He makes it so if you want just his current day of motionns and such back when covering new ones and now just the day of trial he attended, it is all at the start and when he hits chat, if no time, you already have the current news if no time to watch all that.

Not bad then as I have a few older ones up I'm a large way through of a few days ago, but did now Friday's (he wasn't['t there), and Saturday's.

 

[Tresir]

I read it he was screaming profanities, enraged and threatening to kill guards. Not a very nice guy nor model prisoner is he...

Do you know why Brad Weber was given a subpoena by Baldwin to appear as a D witness? Are they limited to what they can ask under cross? Did Tom cover that? (Although it may have been the Friday he was off.)

 

[Tresir]

Okay. Contrast THIS with what news has hyped and said. Tom and all others had to sit there like two hours while jury watched these with nothing for them to do but watch the jurors, etc. Tom said he saw absolutely no major facial expression on ANY juror as they watched any of these. I'm too tired to go back but I remarked on that just yesterday or the day prior, about the news saying what was the word?? Some jurors were _______, can't recall the word right now... Meaning horrifed, shell shocked, something like that... Nope. And I know who I believe from the news versus Tom without a dam*Ed doubt. Oh I knew it would come to me. Some jurors were AGHAST!! Bullsheet. It'f bullsheet, hogwash. LIES.

He didn't say THIS, I did. I don't even know that when he attends personally, he saw any coverage or reads any news as we have. But I SAW SUCH. So I'm saying it.

Aghast ? Yes during the first showings i heard that one juror put their hand over their mouth. Was this the second lot of videos they were shown? Like videos 9, 10, 11 and 12 ? Maybe they had got use to them by then. I don't really know the point of these videos, do you? Are they trying to say he didn't do it because of these behaviours or that he is insane or has been tortured or what exactly is the point?

 

[Tresir]

Honestly, so what? He tried good cop, then after Ricks started swearing at him, he returned it and they both did it and he played bad cop in one last try with him.

Rick Allen was and is an adult man and was free to leave. Big deal.

And again they arrested him WITHOUT any confession.

Jmo.

Yep, they arrested him based on him saying he had never been in those woods and he had never loaned out his Sig Sauer. So they had PC to then arrest him. I really don't understand why he just didn't keep his mouth shut or just drop Kathy off to get the car.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Do you know why Brad Weber was given a subpoena by Baldwin to appear as a D witness? Are they limited to what they can ask under cross? Did Tom cover that? (Although it may have been the Friday he was off.)

He talked fairly fully about Weber and the D going at him. He said something about a witness that was to discredit Weber but doesn't think he is going to have much effect. if I recall right. Trying to recall all. While last night's was fairly short have taken in a lot over some days, including on here. He thinks Weber was effective and phone records help verify is time frame. I think he did mention the D is going to call him, not sure if he mentioned the subpoena or I know of it because I was here first and you were talking of it.

The D would be doing direct when they have him and I imagine they can ask him what they like that is what you'd ask in a trial. P would be doing cross then and imo their questioning would have to stay to the scope of what the D covered although since they also had him as a witness, maybe not(?), but I think so. No expert. If they wanted to ask him more along their own lines, they could have recalled him before they tested their case.

D tried to say I know when P had him that he did not go straight home but was servicing ATMs and something about a trailer. He did it was not that day he did that re the ATMs and that they had it wrong. I recall all that and a lot about what he said re Weber and have did cover Weber in last night's video. The whole thing isn't that long this time if you dont' do his question and answer part with his subscribers which always comes last...

There's some witness, do you know anything about this, that is I believe meant to discredit him who either already was up or is going to be called by D, forget the name. I don't recall if he either was up or is coming but do recall Tom thinking Weber's testimony will hold and this witness isn't going to do much damage or didn't. Don't recall what it was he is supposed to know or if that was covered .

In summary, Tom thinks Weber's testimony was important and will stay that way, and effective. Paraphrasing, my own words for what he said.

You know serving him in front of the jury is quite a stunt too, I mean they can do such but think about it. Makes it look like they want him as if he didn't tell the whole truth or something so they're calling him, AND as if he avoided their subpoena service. I so wish we could have seen his testimony!! So mad at all the things we shall never see nor anyone else outside that room.

You know there is also the possibility they NEVER tried to serve Weber until doing it that day. It was in front of the jury correct?

I'm not too worried about it although I do expect them to try to make it dramatic, that's what Ds do.

Or have they already had him up? The D? Don't think so have they?

That's the best I can tell you without rewatching it. I listened but probably more intently to his other parts and memory isn't perfect but do recall a fair amount.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Aghast ? Yes during the first showings i heard that one juror put their hand over their mouth. Was this the second lot of videos they were shown? Like videos 9, 10, 11 and 12 ? Maybe they had got use to them by then. I don't really know the point of these videos, do you? Are they trying to say he didn't do it because of these behaviours or that he is insane or has been tortured or what exactly is the point?

No, it was all of them he had in order, #1 through #15. THis I recall well. He gave the dates and time length of each, time length I believe of how long they took in court anyhow I believe it was. He said no real major reactions by jury other than taking notes. For all we know a hand over a mouth was a yawn lol when it comes to reporters. I recall him mention one jury took a lot of notes on one video I think and this is a man who takes a lot of notes, more than the others maybe it sounds like. But several were taking notes throughout different videos here and there.

In all 15 videos, he noted no major reactions.

they're doing it hoping the jury I'm sure thinks he was mentally ill, probably hoping they are shocked to see prison practices of washing him, putting on is it a spit guard, nudity, treatment even though doesn't sound out of line, but would be not something any of us were used to seeing, feel sorry for him, who knows... Id' say for all of the reasons. All of the dates were given, they aren't meant to correlate are they with different dates of confessions and his conditions? I doubt it somehow, that'd be too much works or them, but who knows. I don't think they do a thing to give him any defense or relate in any way to proving his innocence because how could they? The videos I mean.

I don't recall a thing from Tom either about the D attorney/s reactions the news really put on but maybe he didn't have a good view of them not sure. I of course said and recall that Baldwin's screen which was seeing it on (so it must be fed to the attorney's screens) some media was able to see which I think is disgusting if they were not to see. Although I agree with Becky Patty really, all should have seen anyhow, all in the courtroom.

Also some videos were far longer than others. Various dates, chronological but not ever day, over three months. I recall a lot on this part.

and Baldwin would ask 'Gull a lot of he could now forward two minutes etc. through many of them and she'd agree, kind of odd, the skipping ahead.

You said some days ago they were out of context and I'd agree because they don't show day after day or even minute after minute in each one because he skips through things at times in them. Not sure if this was something they didn't want seen, or video just was not showing anything, or what the reason for was the skipping parts here and there... Their whatever they call him, intern or gopher guy went through all, found them pulled what they wanted from all the months of recordings I think was said.

This parts only about six or seven minutes in Tom's although some is covered about the decision to show and such prior to the time stamp I gave, I'd back it up a little if you want all of it but still not long.

There's nothing yet the D has done I'm too worried about and I don't think there will be although I'm sure they will irritate and try to make a splash.

But no, again to your original question, Tom talked each video and reactions to each and all.

I'm just saying he saw none not the show and awe reactions media tried to make some big thing. I'll tell you it just confirms to me why jurors can't see media coverage when they are serving, because there's a ton that is as we know not full coverage, but with a ton of bias in one direction. If' seen a few, not many that are a bit better but a lot of bad. and it's false, hyped, one part of something taken and not all, sensationalized, etc. I've seen it 1,000 times after listening to Tom after reading some of it on the full context and questions and answers and all going on in the courtroom each day. Like listening to two very different things (or reading one poor one) and then listening to a full account of the day.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yep, they arrested him based on him saying he had never been in those woods and he had never loaned out his Sig Sauer. So they had PC to then arrest him. I really don't understand why he just didn't keep his mouth shut or just drop Kathy off to get the car.

My guess would be he didn't want Kathy alone without him near any cops. At this point, he was filling her a not full account and a lot of bull. She didn't know of his bullet yet, and more. I think he did, I don't mean he knew they found it, but it was something he was worried about that was missing... OF course they were there to get the car but still they were at ISP were they not? He'd also not want her talking to them in passing or anything and being in there on her own imo. Finally, he was making up to her for causing all of the trouble and probably seeing to it he was supportive and showing her and by her side. I think things probably weren't great over these weeks...

But yes I think they were probably about ready to arrest and his saying the Sig was always in his control and no one else's was the icing on the cake. Holman was finishing out then his one last change to get something out of him or interview him, knowing once arrested that would likely end and he'd have a lawyer. Nothing odd at all about it to me.

 

[GrandmaBear]

SO I started into Tom's question and answer part this morning where you do find some more things out at times.

So KA was not in the courtroom Saturday...He doesn't know but some think this could indicate she is going to testify to some things... It's "rumored" that maybe she will testify to she did some of these Google searches... I suppose they can limit her scope...? Just rumor as far as I know.

I'm curious, did any news report she wasn't present? First I heard of it I know, but not like I go read, find and look for all (or any) traditional news out there. I do read most linked here, not all.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Tom has a commenter taht says, which a few seem to think, that Gull is always ruling for the prosecution and he makes it entirely clear that is not at all the case and he is there every day. Not even close to true.

This too, imo, come from bias and lack of full news coverage. She has ruled PLENTY for the D here.

I should have accounted for every single one in their favor as of seen them over all these weeks.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Just covers the way too many coincidences to a viewer, and meaningful. I can even think if a few more.

Also I guess Tom IS done, not going back. I thought since had lives scheduled that he was. He is going to do live chats, a bit later in the evening. and suggests a few to watch who will be there. Lawyer Lee is one, mentioned a few others I've not heard of, should have jotted done. I'm bummed only because his coverage is full on, full coverage.

For me, forget the news. Lol. I think I'll stick to his even if not there.

On the bright side, his going on later may have me catching more of his shows live hopefully lol. Although I dont' know the time difference. We just changed so hard to say.

 

[kdg411]

Am I alone in thinking that RA is not who unalived these young girls? The FBI being forced to leave the investigation is troublesome. It's another poorly executed invesigation imo.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Am I alone in thinking that RA is not who unalived these young girls? The FBI being forced to leave the investigation is troublesome. It's another poorly executed invesigation imo.

No, I think @Cousin Dupree thinks the same. Not sure about anyone else.

I don't.

And there's a lot more to it imo.

And coverage is not covering all by a long shot.

The FBI going out of the case is not by far the only thing here, and the D hardly quesitoned Carter which was odd, but I think they will bring up a bit more. I have my guess over what that was about.

Most in the courtroom are now leaning towards guilt from all I've heard, and quite a few had no leaning prior.

Not sure what all you are watching, but the average news coverage stinks. Lack of being able to watch ourselves also does.

To each their own though.

And NICE to see you!

It was an imperfect investigation but for me an imperfect investigation does not equate to not guilty in cases. And there's a lot of other that go beyond the mistakes. Imo of course. His conversation with his mother is one thing that sealed it for Tom for instance and keep in mind people in the courtroom have heard all of these things, we haven't.

Jmo again though.

 

[Guess Who]

Am I alone in thinking that RA is not who unalived these young girls? The FBI being forced to leave the investigation is troublesome. It's another poorly executed invesigation imo.

It's definitely poorly run to the point of confusion.

 

[Regina]

Am I alone in thinking that RA is not who unalived these young girls? The FBI being forced to leave the investigation is troublesome. It's another poorly executed invesigation imo.

I don't know why the FBI was involved in the first place.
I think they'd have been helpful as far as a criminal behavioral profile- not sure that was ever done- but besides that, I don't know what the FBI could (or did) offer that the state police couldn't.

 

[Regina]

I've always felt there were too many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[Regina]

Wasn't that search warrant re Ron Logan composed by that FBI person?

That document was such a crock!
I remember finding it hard to believe that a judge actually signed-off on it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Some more takeaways from Tom. He HOPES all of the evidence and recordings, testimony, etc. ARE released to the public because it's far different in the courtroom.

He has always said he couldn't vote him guilty for all the time he has covered this case, not the trial, but the case. And reached a point he can. But remember, they are hearing all, we are not.

No one can deny, I've heard the voice match and said it was a clincher for me for I don't even know how long, more than a year now? This seems to be largely ignored by some media. I've come to realize no one heard what I did that I linked here a long time ago and I can't even recall where it came from but it was a dead ringer. Harshman has listened to 700 calls and knows the voice to be RA.

Tom was asked by a subscriber if he found the voice to be RA. I don't think Tom either had ever heard any comparison prior to trial and he said after listening to the October 2022 interview, he knew the voice to be RA without a doubt.

It is why when I have time, I do listen to Tom's chats because more comes..

One of the big clinchers for him though are the confessions to wife and mom. He's under no pressure, he is totalliy with it, and he is trying to seriously tell them he did it and they will not listen to it. He said he was not all weird (parapharsing) and to him it's clear, he is TRYING to tell them, the mom one seems bigger to him, so they know, that he did it.

He has several things of why he FINALLY has taken a stance of guilt or innocence.

I watch some of the questions in there, and it is like have these people truly followed this and found full coverage as they just don't see it.

But to each their own.

They are seeing and hearing a LOT more than we are.

And I too hope all of it comes out for the public and for all.

Yes, there were mess ups. But the facts by some are recited and connected so well, what cannot be disputed. And I watch one of the few who do that. He isn't perfect, but the most unbiased I've ever seen.

The voice ALONE. And again I've been saying that for far longer than any LE or Tom, etc...

Whatever it was, someone had something from RA that no one else had, his voice and they played them both. DEAD ON.

And then the too many coincidences, way too many, Tom covers a lot of them too. He knows a lot of his facts, half the comments, well maybe 1/4 don't.

I think a lot has also been fought down here and Gull is not as one sided as some think, and were it not for that, they'd have seen and heard even more.

JUST my opinion and some further from Tom who I am still watching, although my time is running out.

He also says NO WAY with all that's been heard and seen will there EVER be an acquittal, like any of us, of course one may not be convinced most worry about with a jury. But no way are 12 going to find this man innocent, it is overwhelming and he'd be shocked if such happened. He's pretty darned convinced it won't.

I have about an hour but have to start getting ready. May fit in a bit more but may not, or be in and out. NO trial yesterday, hasn't started today yet, so just giving some of what I was listening to on the last few days.