LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *GUILTY*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]

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Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]


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Listen to John Kelly and guest. Not done yet but man talk about how straightforward and no nonsense. Thankfully I have fallen for none of the b.s. so I dont' have to feel like a fool lol but any who have fallen for nonsense if they liseten SHOULD feel like a fools and I'd imagine adjust their views. Not sure what has happened to this world but what a good dose of plain old common sense and lining it all UP.


As to the height I don't know. Why did NEITHER side go hard at such.... Why was cell phone stuff less than expected.... In the first days it was made ap oint with the eyewitnessses that some said big, or tall, but that's about it throughout the entire trial. That is IF of course news gave full coverage...

John Keely is a breath of fresh air. He is showing how laughable all is and connecting the dots in a way that they should use him at trial and in qustioning. SERIOUSLY. the P did great and I know this in closing but talk about cutting through the bs that some believe and showing why not to believe it and how ridiculous, he does it VERY WELL.

Quite glad I ran into it and gave it a listen. I despiar sometimes of where things are going but mostly only when I get near traditional media or people who fall for things so easily.

It's just a GOOD listen. He cuts through as I said all the bull like so well, much of which some are buying.

Sadly those are the ones unlikely to watch it.

Anyhow, haven't accomplished a ton today. Some but not a ton. Had that business type meeting got some very good advice. No cost too. Even better. Got a sold answer re some tax stuff and that's big. Did some dishes, a few left. Cooked some chicken soup with dumplings last night but still had the dishes. Heard some sad news from my mom about someone I'd say was one of my first childhood memories. Not passeed but in some dire straits. My age. A few other things. Enough to do yet with having to be back to work tomorrow. Shower, get the cat food out of the car downstairs, I am always ahead of the game, almost out but haven't brought up yet or filled the buclet/ Sigh. More.

Well at this point, not over yet, but looking like your Friday verdict may not be correct. I was really hoping it would be the case. AND it still could be and I hope it is. This needs to be OVER. For the families first and foremost and even for RA and his. To know where it all stands.

Imo it is all there. Just waiting for that decision.

So how was your day? I've accomplished little as I said but on the other hand that's not entirely true. got some answers I needed, some good advice and got more than normal done. Just never as much as I always hope to accomplish.
I have done nothing except feed myself and the horses. Been waiting all day for news. Now its 9 p.m. here. I think you are probably right and no verdict today. 4 pm there approximately right?
 
Because there is no picture with both of them.
Well I know that but they have a ready made ruler behind them both to work it out as long as they know Abby's height.

FTR Abby is reported on her FBI poster as 5' 4" and BG is reported as between 5' 6" and 5' 8".
 
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Dang - looks like no verdict today.


DELPHI, Ind. — After the case went to the jury Thursday afternoon, deliberations in the Richard Allen trial continued through Friday without a decision being reached.

After the jury heard closing arguments from both the prosecution and the defense on Thursday, the case went to the jury at 1:25 p.m. Allen has been charged with four counts of murder in relation to the February 2017 deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German.

Delphi murders: Case now in the hands of the jury
The jury resumed its deliberations at 9 a.m. on Friday and went until 4 p.m. The jury could deliberate longer than that if they so choose. With no verdict decided, deliberations are expected to resume at 9 a.m. on Saturday.

The jury will decide if Allen is guilty or not guilty. According to previous reports, the case could also end in a mistrial if the jury does not agree unanimously on its verdict.

Click here for a look at FOX59/CBS4’s extensive coverage of the Delphi murders trial
FOX59 Anchor Angela Ganote and FOX59/CBS4 Reporter Kit Hanley were live in Delphi with the FOX59/CBS4 news team on Friday morning as the jury began its second day of deliberations. You can watch live coverage regarding the deliberations in this story.
 
I have done nothing except feed myself and the horses. Been waiting all day for news. Now its 9 p.m. here. I think you are probably right and no verdict today. 4 pm there approximately right?
When you posted this 3 p.m. in my state.
 
I have done nothing except feed myself and the horses. Been waiting all day for news. Now its 9 p.m. here. I think you are probably right and no verdict today. 4 pm there approximately right?
I didn't think it would be my entire day or stuck on it either, so much really but I forget what jury watch can be like in a case you've followed forever. Again it makes me feel for the families.

Yeah If they go this late, chances are it won't be any earlier than tomorrow afternoon imo. I've said a million times and meant it, juries like to get that last lunch. I have seen it SO many times AND why shouldn't they? I called ours perfectly lol and my entire family didn't think I had a clue what I was talking about. But I saw lunch come early, an office asst. a bit later rush down the hallway past our window In our waiting room and yep.

Not that they couldn't come in today yet or tomorrow morning, they could, plus it's not always the case. However, as much as most think juries want to get home, in many there's also a closeness developed when they spend that much time together and are the only ones who have listened to and sent all this sh*t. We have heard that from some recent ones... And most truly want to do a good job.

As I've said ibefore as well, I'd have had no problem holding up in a decent hotel at most times in my life SO long as life was taken care of, bills paid, family taken care of. Etc. But I don't dismiss that can be lack of pay, lack of child care, etc. and that makes it different. If I had to worry about none of that which most of my life I did/do, yes, give me a few more days please...

This case is here imo BUT I can't disagree there are some things in it that aren't perfect but strip all away and it IS THERE. All of it. Plenty. More than enough.

I guess we will see. I have to head back to work tomorrow so I'd really like to see it come in but that's just my selfish personal preference of course. I want them to do a good job far more so.
 
One thing I have never understood is why they couldn't work out BG's height. They know Abbey's height so why couldn't they use her as a template for his height?
Imo there is a LOT missing here that neither side seemed to want to go into or just didn't. This trial and case was very strange that way. It also is not human nature to look for what is missing so much as to look at what we are told or hear or see but where is this all, some of it, from EITHER side... A lot can be stipulated to ahead. Also we had no watching anything ourselves and then there is poor coverage... The ones who would cover better than traditional news imo were not in front row seats but back and lucky if they could hear sometimes and did not have teams helping to cover...

But overall, imo, there's a LOT missing.

There's a reason imo. And of course naysayers would say the P didn't have it, but that's not it. The case is imo very solid against RA and the D as well never presented a single thing or a lot of what they said they would, that I would have expected. No alibi. No witnesses saying he was not there or coudln't have been not the inmate who supposedly (which I don't buy for moment) heard a confession with false facts, and a ton more... Why.... Some of course is hype by the D anyhow imo. And the D could have tested when they went home the other day but waited until the next morning at the beginning to announce they rested... I mean nothing strange really about that, why give the P, judge or jurors a heads up or the P to get their rebuttal witnesses ready, would be typical I guess to give no warning... Or they discussed overnight, etc. and decided a good time to rest...

I know they weren't allowed their ridiculous O thing and you name it but they still said alibi and a ton of other things they never presented.... A heck of a lot of bluster preceding but little done or shown... Imo anyhow.

His height... Back to your point... Why didn't EITHER side really go into that....? Why didn't either side go into many things....? It is definitely odd that way , more than most imo...

Boy me too, fed my cats, fed self her and there, accomplished a few other things but not a lot still meaning to... I want this verdict in.

I am going to keep saying it, a lot is going go do it, but the voice is going to clinch it.
 
Dang - looks like no verdict today.


DELPHI, Ind. — After the case went to the jury Thursday afternoon, deliberations in the Richard Allen trial continued through Friday without a decision being reached.

After the jury heard closing arguments from both the prosecution and the defense on Thursday, the case went to the jury at 1:25 p.m. Allen has been charged with four counts of murder in relation to the February 2017 deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German.

Delphi murders: Case now in the hands of the jury
The jury resumed its deliberations at 9 a.m. on Friday and went until 4 p.m. The jury could deliberate longer than that if they so choose. With no verdict decided, deliberations are expected to resume at 9 a.m. on Saturday.

The jury will decide if Allen is guilty or not guilty. According to previous reports, the case could also end in a mistrial if the jury does not agree unanimously on its verdict.

Click here for a look at FOX59/CBS4’s extensive coverage of the Delphi murders trial
FOX59 Anchor Angela Ganote and FOX59/CBS4 Reporter Kit Hanley were live in Delphi with the FOX59/CBS4 news team on Friday morning as the jury began its second day of deliberations. You can watch live coverage regarding the deliberations in this story.
If it were not for finding out thek would deliberate on Saturday, i'd stick to my original guess of Monday. It just seems likey to me and it would still be my leaning honestly although I'd have hoped for today or after finding out they can do tomorrow, still hoping for tomorrow.

But Monday is my real guess.
 

Tom met her more than once. Said she's very nice. Not sure whether they'd agree on their observaitions, have not watched her in a while, but he is so not a crime buff, and self deprecates as well and tells people to watch anyone other than him lol. I used to watch her a fair amount but she has not been popping up for me lately so haven't recently. I do know she has not followed it for years on end but nothing wrong with that either.
 
You know if it were not for a few certain things, the D's argument would win me over perhaps. And perhaps if they hadn't went down some wild path and pulled every stunt in the book. But I'm not a juror, thank goodness, actually, I don't envy them.

RA IS BG. And of course I am not in any way commenting towards you but to the article, case, etc.

They don't cover the final rebuttal in this article either. I haven't heard such yet either. Not through all of the closings because now that it rested, I know I have time for that.

I will never say this was a perfect investigation. It was not. Yet if one pares away all of the b.s. for me RA is clearly BG.

And while people go on about the lack of a perfect investigation, the D was absolutely worthless and zany but look at them step up now.

Watching John Kelly earlier was a real hit of cutting through the b.s. of all of it imo.

He speaks to many a thing and one of them small towns or counties never having dealt with such before but much more as well.

Just plain old common sense and a ton of experience. It was so refreshing.

I am convinced for more than a few reasons and the voice is one of the big ones.

I'm honestly disgusted with things on all sides and on the part of the judge as well with some things. However, it should be remembered that NM is the P, he was not LE investigating the case and even then how much damage did the F B I do, etc.

I still come back to when one strips away all of the bullsh*t and blizzard effect, it is all there.

The jury imo will do that and end up there. Although of course that's just a guess if diliigent and all doing their job.

Again, I'm talking to the article and the case. I hadn't actually read anything yet on the D closing but had watched a big part of coverage on the P closing and that's where I left off.

I'd never put someone I thought might be innocent away. EVER. But RA IS BG.

I have absolutely NO idea why voice comparisons or an analyst was not used. John Kelly talked of that too. Because that voice is a 99.9 percent slam dunk. I heard it a year? Or more ago?

There is some plain old good common sense in his video.

The blizzard effect, I am just saying too many fall for it. However, LE needs to get their sh*t together too. Such may never happen in a small town or area but if it might, they should be prepared for it and trained to handle it.

I don't know how this will turn out but I think if a well intentioned and intelligent jury he will be found guilty.

Another opinion I'd give is that had the D got on the ball from the start instead of letting him languish without counsel and did what they are doing now, instead of the too late overboard ridiculous bullsh*t, well now that would have been wiser.

JUST MY OPINON DIRECTED AT NO ONE.

Whatever the result in this case, it is going to be HE77 for one side or another.
 
You know if it were not for a few certain things, the D's argument would win me over perhaps. And perhaps if they hadn't went down some wild path and pulled every stunt in the book. But I'm not a juror, thank goodness, actually, I don't envy them.

RA IS BG. And of course I am not in any way commenting towards you but to the article, case, etc.

They don't cover the final rebuttal in this article either. I haven't heard such yet either. Not through all of the closings because now that it rested, I know I have time for that.

I will never say this was a perfect investigation. It was not. Yet if one pares away all of the b.s. for me RA is clearly BG.

And while people go on about the lack of a perfect investigation, the D was absolutely worthless and zany but look at them step up now.

Watching John Kelly earlier was a real hit of cutting through the b.s. of all of it imo.

He speaks to many a thing and one of them small towns or counties never having dealt with such before but much more as well.

Just plain old common sense and a ton of experience. It was so refreshing.

I am convinced for more than a few reasons and the voice is one of the big ones.

I'm honestly disgusted with things on all sides and on the part of the judge as well with some things. However, it should be remembered that NM is the P, he was not LE investigating the case and even then how much damage did the F B I do, etc.

I still come back to when one strips away all of the bullsh*t and blizzard effect, it is all there.

The jury imo will do that and end up there. Although of course that's just a guess if diliigent and all doing their job.

Again, I'm talking to the article and the case. I hadn't actually read anything yet on the D closing but had watched a big part of coverage on the P closing and that's where I left off.

I'd never put someone I thought might be innocent away. EVER. But RA IS BG.

I have absolutely NO idea why voice comparisons or an analyst was not used. John Kelly talked of that too. Because that voice is a 99.9 percent slam dunk. I heard it a year? Or more ago?

There is some plain old good common sense in his video.

The blizzard effect, I am just saying too many fall for it. However, LE needs to get their sh*t together too. Such may never happen in a small town or area but if it might, they should be prepared for it and trained to handle it.

I don't know how this will turn out but I think if a well intentioned and intelligent jury he will be found guilty.

Another opinion I'd give is that had the D got on the ball from the start instead of letting him languish without counsel and did what they are doing now, instead of the too late overboard ridiculous bullsh*t, well now that would have been wiser.

JUST MY OPINON DIRECTED AT NO ONE.

Whatever the result in this case, it is going to be HE77 for one side or another.
What exactly is the D's argument? I'm serious. You don't mean the O theory do you?
 
not sure i entirely get what Wilber and Harshman were rebutting?

it is clear Martin was put up to show that RA was fine when he confessed, etc. And effective too imo.

Gulls remarks about the uncomfortable chairs makes absolutely no sense as this will be no longer of a day than they've had and maybe even a bit shorter UNLESS she plans on giving them no breaks for over five hours or in between closing arguments? Or maybe the D asked for six hours each for closings lol and Gull was explaining that's too long? Lol.
I just reviewed Wilber testimony and i think it was to emphasize RA was not there at the earlier time when he changed it ie proof he lied.

This is because they only saw him at Freedom Bridge as he was arriving and they were leaving.
 
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I just reviewed Wilber testimony and i think it was to emphasize RA was not there at the earlier time when he changed it ie proof he lied.

This is because they only saw him at Freedom Bridge as he was arriving and they were leaving.
Okay. Well Tom has been saying for awhile now that one of the girls, it was either her or was there a Braylee? It was a B name anyhow, game the wrong time in her testimony and that the P missed it and needed to find a way or get a a chance to go back and get it striaightened out. Maybe it's the poor reporting but when I read what these rebuttal witnesses were asked or answered, it's pretty unclear to me what was being got at, EXCEPT for the last one. It doesn't seem like any timeline was hammered home, etc. Closing however was excellent.

I sure hope this jury comes back today although I still feel it may be Monday but have no reason to think either that it might not be today.

I was up yet again at 3 in the morning unable to sleep and all I could think about was the girls' families and how they have to go home each night with no answer and how agonzing it must be.

I think we waited like three hours for our verdict and it was horrible. This brings it back and leaves me realizing had we had to go home without an answer how hrd that would have been.

I don't mean they should rush to one at all, I'm just commenting on what they are likely going through.

I read that the jury can't ask for transcripts of witness testimony and have to rely on their notes. In ours, the jury could not even have their notes. These kinds of rules are I'd say new in maybe the last decade or so and I think they are unfair and asinine and as most are these days, geared towards the defendant. I mean can ANYONE tell me why a jury should not be able to refer to an actual court transcript of actual testimony?? When there are something like 17 days of testimony and 64 witnesses I think it was?

And when Gull thinks only a court transcript is the holy grail and the only thing this trial is ever going to have to show what was said in it and happened in it as there is no recording otherwise?

Just some random general thoughts and observations. I think it's b.s. But hey at least they get their notes in this one. Ours also couldn't call for exhibits or have them either.

I so disagree wtih this.

How does it work over there? Have these kinds of things changed too? I know in both of our countries sentences have and become shorter and more ridiculous in many a case.

Well back to work today, sigh. I see our schedule is out for Thanksgiving week. I asked that I have Thanksgiving AND my two days off that week. Did NOT happen. The two days off can't be the same ones as we all have to work Black Friday, it's a requirement so my usual Thursday Friday could not be the case. You know that's the thing too with this job in retail, other people on holidays get extra time off. With me, it's always been they count the holiday as one of your days off and only give you then one more and so you only end up with the normal two although they aren't your normal two (for me thursday and fridayi) because one of them is the day the holiday falls on). "Then I end up sometimes also working the next SIX, not FIVE days in a row before back on track too for my two off in a row and it sucks. It does give an extra day's pay which in these first two years I really needed but because of it, I've not had any real time off in the entire two years there and it's NEEDED (time off). Now that I've sold my home and have somewhat of a small safety net to fall back on, I'd rather have the extra day off but nope. Then just a couple of weeks after we have my family's Christmas (early) and asked for a day there to make a four day which gives me only one day off in the week after. While that may sound like time off, it isn't, when I take some it is always for something that I have to take care of, go to, etc. I need some darned down time one of these days before I'm 100 years old. Lol but not.

Well O/T but back to this, and to relate it too, both RA's wife and anyone in the girls' families for any that work must have some really understanding employers to get through all this has taken for time not just now but any hearing through the years, etc. I recall that in all of our stuff too, the sheer time it tookf or all to attend and having to miss work and so on.

I'd think KA would need her hours since she is the sole person now having to pay the bills but perhaps his family helps her out or something. Losing a month's pay is no small thing for most people.

Again just some random thoughts before I have to face another grueling week lol.

I forget I guess what it's like when something goes into verdict watch and we are not even the families. And we just had it not long ago with Chad's trial but that was different imo...I think in this one because of the leaks by the D and the public who has fallen for a lot of b.s. some of them, and the news even with some bias, there's more chance of it going wrong.

However, I have total faith it is all there and the jury will see it because it is. If one can strip away the b.s. and look at what is there and I think that is exactly what they will do.
 
That's why I said my time too because we just changed last weekend and Tresir and I were how many hours apart and now it changed by an hour. So does IN stay not changed? Or is it coming up?
No, we change time.

We're GMT -5

There is a small portion of southwest Indiana and northwest Indiana that's in a different zone of GMT -6.
 

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