LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *TRIAL IN PROGRESS*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]

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Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]


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They kept saying things that made me believe that they knew who it was and somebody was covering for them. They tried to guilt that person into coming forward, it seemed. Maybe that worked, or they were able to work around it and now have a slam dunk case. If he did in fact have some clothing and DNA, then it's pretty much a given. However, if for some reason they move the trial to Pinellas County, they could lose.
I keep thinking of that too. I went back and forth on the thought they were acting as if they KNEW who it was to worry the offender and anyone who might be covering for him and providing an alibi and that they really DID know and have an inkling. Just like we just need that one last/right tip, that is said in almost every case so I went back and forth on whether it was strategy or they really did know something.

I think in some way this is connected to Kline. That's where I'm leaning. I don't mean he was necessarily part of it but they both maybe had contact with Libby and knew of each other to more as in they were part of the same group using the dropbox and/or fake profile of Emily Ann, etc.

On the other hand, and I don't want to say a lot about family and don't look into such things but will admit I'm curious and open to hear about more details and ages, jobs, etc. privately without putting things on here, but his wife or even kids could have turned him in or realized something. Or a friend.. Or a relative of his own. It may have nothing to do with Kline at all and be something like that.

Finally one other thought I've had that I haven't seen mentioned is maybe he creeped someone else out, tried to meet with them or went after another young girl and they reported it and he came on radar. But it would likely have had to be awhile ago or something broke when questioning him or family that they could get a warrant, etc. so that doesn't seem as likely.

This man COULD have been on their radar since day one but was provided an alibi or something. It's hard to say.

But my leading theory is the online thing and some type of Kline connection or info or a similar thing going on as Kline had going on..
 
I watched it all back when but I am getting where I just can't recall all in these cases especially if a lot of info in a lot of cases and they go on a long time, as in this one and Daybell but I came across a comment where someone said remember that Kline said Craig was in the cemetery or something like that. I recall something about the cemetery but heck if I can remember all Kline said or a name. Craig is supposedly an alias Richard Allen used. Spelled Craigh. Sooooo IF he truly said this and said "Craig" then I think this is an aha moment. BUT for the life of me I don't recall the name mentioned or if one was... Does anyone else? I'm sure not all watched all things with him but some probably did. I did but don't recall...
 
Reasons for another name...

Bigamy
Catfishing
Bad financial record
Wanted for crimes somewhere/warrants
Don't like your given name
Identity fraud to gain someone's assets or for other reasons, some mentioned already

Other thoughts?
Gambling debts
Business loan for a failed business
Avoid child support and/or alimony payments
Online secret life on dating sites that spouse knows nothing about
Working for an escort service type of facility or business KWIM?
 
Gambling debts
Business loan for a failed business
Avoid child support and/or alimony payments
Online secret life on dating sites that spouse knows nothing about
Working for an escort service type of facility or business KWIM?
Great thoughts. Hmm. I just know most people don't have aliases of completely and entirely different names. And apparently the court records list such... I'm thinking at minimum it is a fake online account of some type or bank account, etc. And very likely used for more than that.
 
I'm not sure about this alias deal. I'm also not sure if I said this already lol.

His vinelink has him in White County jail where he was transferred to. With an offender ID.

There is another one for Carroll county with a completely different offender ID and an alias.

Weird.
 
We don't have a Pinellas County in Indiana. You might be thinking of another case?

I can see them moving the trial out of Delphi because the defense lawyer will probably argue " not a fair trial. if held in Delphi. " Vincennes, Evansville, Ft. Wayne would all be possible venues. Probably not Marion County because Indy is only about an hour away. and here in northern Indiana we hear horror stories about some of the Marion County supposed prosecutors and who funded them into office.
I think the trial has to be held in the state where the crime occurred, so Pinellas in FL wouldn't be an option. MOO until the cows come home.

Pinellas is in Florida.

The Pinellas comment was a snide remark on the Casey Anthony case.
 
I keep thinking of that too. I went back and forth on the thought they were acting as if they KNEW who it was to worry the offender and anyone who might be covering for him and providing an alibi and that they really DID know and have an inkling. Just like we just need that one last/right tip, that is said in almost every case so I went back and forth on whether it was strategy or they really did know something.

I think in some way this is connected to Kline. That's where I'm leaning. I don't mean he was necessarily part of it but they both maybe had contact with Libby and knew of each other to more as in they were part of the same group using the dropbox and/or fake profile of Emily Ann, etc.

On the other hand, and I don't want to say a lot about family and don't look into such things but will admit I'm curious and open to hear about more details and ages, jobs, etc. privately without putting things on here, but his wife or even kids could have turned him in or realized something. Or a friend.. Or a relative of his own. It may have nothing to do with Kline at all and be something like that.

Finally one other thought I've had that I haven't seen mentioned is maybe he creeped someone else out, tried to meet with them or went after another young girl and they reported it and he came on radar. But it would likely have had to be awhile ago or something broke when questioning him or family that they could get a warrant, etc. so that doesn't seem as likely.

This man COULD have been on their radar since day one but was provided an alibi or something. It's hard to say.

But my leading theory is the online thing and some type of Kline connection or info or a similar thing going on as Kline had going on..
I believe that one of those press conferences was held deliberately so as to be directed at one person in particular that LE was focusing on. The presser I am thinking of is the one where LE said something to the effect of "For all we know, the killer may be sitting in this room listening to everything we say." Letting the person know that LE was on to them.....
 
I'm not sure about this alias deal. I'm also not sure if I said this already lol.

His vinelink has him in White County jail where he was transferred to. With an offender ID.

There is another one for Carroll county with a completely different offender ID and an alias.

Weird.
It is weird and it has to mean something/there has to be a reason for it. Imo.
 
I believe that one of those press conferences was held deliberately so as to be directed at one person in particular that LE was focusing on. The presser I am thinking of is the one where LE said something to the effect of "For all we know, the killer may be sitting in this room listening to everything we say." Letting the person know that LE was on to them.....
I think too they maybe have known far longer than most think. Or at least knew enough to KNOW he was one of a few people if not even THE person...

But then profiling and evidence also may help them assume such and direct such remarks that way believing the odds are he is someone from the community and would attend and be interested in every bit of info going on in the case and keeping tabs...

Yeah. Those remarks like someone covered for him or alibied him really stand out to me and always have.... It lent to why people thought things like dad and son, husband and wife, etc.
 
This is worth watching and is a good compilation of the case through the years/much of it to look back now that we now who and where, etc. it hits. he last several minutes go into the Kline thing and media coverage and the river search and it was just in just in September and October as was Kline trying to deal and he was taken out and to the river etc. and then this arrest comes also in October afterwards...? Kline is not going to give them something to find pertaining to his own guilt in the river... He gave them something good.

I am so convinced it relates... This all has timing and went like clockwork almost... The river search ends after a big effort, probably something rapidly looked at or tested and lo and behold an arrest!
 
It's still tied to your ss#
I almost mentioned that but figured all know that. If he was up to financial fraud then it was identity theft with SSN and taking all I'm sure. If it was a profile, no need. There isn't any point in taking another name for a mortgage, credit or anything else if you use you own SSN. No doubt. Another thought would be crime or traffic tickets, etc. I know of someone once who told cops she was her cousin once when stopped. It created a disaster for the cousin to fix. Needless to say they had a big falling out. Despite the fact I don't think she had a license or any proof, the name went into records and on a ticket as her cousin's.

I doubt this was that simple.

Of course the SSN would lead back to the same person regardless of the name they used or send up a flag the name didn't match the SSN.

No offense intended at all but I think all here are smart enough to know that. Even, I hate to say it, the birdbrain...
 
I almost mentioned that but figured all know that. If he was up to financial fraud then it was identity theft with SSN and taking all I'm sure. If it was a profile, no need. There isn't any point in taking another name for a mortgage, credit or anything else if you use you own SSN. No doubt. Another thought would be crime or traffic tickets, etc. I know of someone once who told cops she was her cousin once when stopped. It created a disaster for the cousin to fix. Needless to say they had a big falling out. Despite the fact I don't think she had a license or any proof, the name went into records and on a ticket as her cousin's.

I doubt this was that simple.

Of course the SSN would lead back to the same person regardless of the name they used or send up a flag the name didn't match the SSN.

No offense intended at all but I think all here are smart enough to know that. Even, I hate to say it, the birdbrain...
but a lot of the reasons being stated here as reasons why he would do this are directly related to a ss# is why I had to mention it and would have no bearing on the outcome of him changing his name.
 

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