FL MADELINE SOTO: Missing from Orlando, FL - 26 Feb 2024 - Age 13 *Found Deceased*

Madeline Soto missing: Florida mom begs for daughter's safe return home

A mother in Orange County is begging for help locating her missing daughter.

www.fox35orlando.com

Madeline Soto missing: Florida mom begs for daughter's safe return home​

A mother in Orange County is begging for help locating her missing daughter.

Madeline ‘Maddie’ Soto was last seen on Monday, one day after she and her family celebrated her 13th birthday. Maddie’s mother, Jenn Soto, said surveillance video shows Maddie hanging out in a church parking lot on February 26 after being dropped off for school, but she never made it inside.

"I’m trying to hope for the best, but I’m scared for her," said Jenn Soto. "I want her to be okay; I want her to be safe… I don’t want her to come back harmed. I just want her back – whatever that means, I just want her back."

Jenn Soto said sheriff’s deputies are using K9s and a piece of Maddie’s clothing to try to track her scent near Town Loop Boulevard.

According to Jenn Soto, Maddie had never run away before. She said the teen had forgotten her cell phone at home that morning, but that was normal.

As of Wednesday morning, a variety of search teams are out searching for Maddie.


MEDIA - MADELINE SOTO: Missing from Orlando, FL - 26 Feb 2024 - Age 13

 

[GrandmaBear]

OMG there she goes protecting him again. Okay. I have GOT TO STOP. I was just hoping to finish tonight. This one is SO daming to her and beyond. I mean there are MOMENTS she seems truthful but the other ones are BEYOND, and again she knows when it is the truth to answer easily.

I don't know when this ends but Im not going to get through it I guess because I need something light. Badly. Not that I am finding much on that way either but I'll find something.

This woman will be charged one day. I'd bet on it. If not, it is an extreme lack of justice.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Here i am again, determined to finish this interview. It likely isn't so long I just need to keep going back over to see if I heard what I thought plus the comments coming on the screen constantly are notable some of them as to what people see here...

Don't know that I will do it before work today. But there is already another new one out, I think of a roommate or neighbor, I think a roommate. Trying to keep up.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Why she is protecting this scum this late in the thing after being told what he did to her daughter I can't fathom. And she talks as if they still lived together. Someone was always tag teaming, watching Maddie take her meds, etc. Uhm, what's all this we sh*t, hadn't he been at his parents...

Did he ever just drive around, she fails on miserably.... Uhm no, not to just kill.... She stops was going to say time... Protecting protecting protecting. HIM. He doesn't drive around aimlessly. He will go to different game shops. These are the adult children of the nonworking video internet world I guess... A couple of nonproductive non starters, one living under dad's $$$a and the other financed by his folks as well and by the government who couldn't take care of shi* much less a child.

She can't sleep with me any longer. I can't risk it.

My biggest fear is a Woody Allen situation.

Gaming shops.

Drugs.

Pot.

Neither can provide for self or child, families have to do so.

Hey, pretty much fact no?

It is all right there... And that's at minimum...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Her FRIEND said she'd went off/quit her meds and one has to recall what others said when listening to Jenn etc. and how they ensured she took her meds and someone oversaw. BS I call. With a zoned out mom and bf at his parents, etc... Rapid talk, someone has eyes on her if she grabs the bottle taking her meds, etc. BS.

And WHY did this man still have a garage clicker... When put out and back to folks...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ahoo ahoo ahoo crying. Bullsh*t. So fake. Again I HAVE allowed for shock, the extreme circumstances and then her going immediately back to just fine, I didn't judge that but the longer it goes on, well.... I've given her more benefit of the doubt than almost anyone out there... And it's gone... She extremely selfish and negligent at minimum and I think far worse now...

OMG overload. WTF is wrong with this woman and him for that matter...

I THOUGHT the interview was about an hour and maybe most of this video was chat etc.a free but I think the entire thing might be the biggest and longest an most damning interview yet

I am two hours in out of three and not seeing an end in sight, no idea. I keep rewinding to take it all in. This woman need to be under some controls at minimum. She is enabling and lying and severely negligent at minimum. My gut at the moment says it is far more than just that. I've allowed for grief, trauma, shock, meds, mental conditions, trying to protect self, etc, all of those thingssss but I just can't do it any longer.

There is just so MUCH and if you think I've shared all, I have not.

I am not going to get through it this morning either because I just can't take more of her. Not the case, not the content,etc. but HER.

Wow talk about a headache. No way to start the day. I don't even want to find a cooking video, I just want silence, dark and some calm without thought. Fat chance after again listening to this at the start of the day... Listening to HER.

 

[Regina]

This woman will be charged one day. I'd bet on it. If not, it is an extreme lack of justice.

There's no evidence that Jennifer had any knowledge of anything Sterns did and in my opinion, there's evidence to the contrary.
Indeed, *with only one possible exception, the murder and everything Sterns did to cover it up occurred when Jennifer was either asleep or elsewhere.

* From one of Jennifer's interviews, it comes across to me as though Strens factory reset his phone in her presence and if so, it's my opinion that he was using her to support the notion that the reset was accidental.

 

[GrandmaBear]

There's no evidence that Jennifer had any knowledge of anything Sterns did and in my opinion, there's evidence to the contrary.
Indeed, *with only one possible exception, the murder and everything Sterns did to cover it up occurred when Jennifer was either asleep or elsewhere.

* From one of Jennifer's interviews, it comes across to me as though Strens factory reset his phone in her presence and if so, it's my opinion that he was using her to support the notion that the reset was accidental.

I don't know. There's a LOT to ignore here to be sure of that. And there's a LOT to ignore to be on the other side as well.

This mother was at minimum as selfish and negligent as all HE77 and many a mother has been charged with such. Him resetting his phone in her presence also fits how she knows every detail of his story and parrots it from dropping her off to pushing for video from the vape shop, etc.

Her other Croc was in Jen's ROOM.

This last interview released, have you listened to it? I take it you have if you know about him "resetting" his phone when she was there. That does not mean by the way that he was using her as a witness, she may well have told him you need to get rid of that sh*t.

You don't mention the Woody Allen remark or HER text of she couldn't have Maddie sleeping with her any longer and could not risk it.

These things are very damning and much is so do you just dismiss them, I'm curious?

You know I have a 30 something daughter and a 40 something daughter and we slept in the same bed not long ago, different times, each. And if they were 13, no problem either. I'm their mother and most would think nothing of it. Popcorn,a movie, kicking back. I have slept with MY mom in a bed, she's 80. So why can Jenn not risk it but it's okay to send her 13 year old to bed with a 30 something year old childish, failure to launch, flabby disgusting perv but she can't risk having her in her bed?

All I am saying is there is WAY too much here to be explained that can't be ignored. Beyond too much. I don't know if you missed it or think not relevant.

I too at the outset gave her the benefit of the doubt. I think I was about the only one other than you. I'm not there any longer.

And to push it to the outside edge, not sure, but I won't be surprised if they both weren't making money off images and videos... I'm not sure but all sorts of cans of worms are open here....

At minimum she is an extremely neglectful, selfish mom who tries to explain sending her 13 year old to bed with a 30 something year old man. A single bed mind you.

Just discussing. Do you have any other takes than that of all of the new stuff?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Also, you did hear the one where she admitted to lying about seeing her in the morning getting dressed?

No officer made that up, she admitted to such.

Her lame excuse was she wanted to believe it.

No parent lies when their kid is missing when time frames are IMPORTANT and a big deal. She also claimed he came in to get the dog around 8, also FALSE.

Her other Croc was in her room.

He had dumped before 8 the backpack and laptop.

That's a LOT and is not even the half of it...

I'm not trying to argue, I am talking of what has come out in these interviews. And again, not even the half of it.

I still have not finished this recorded interview and I've been at it for some days. It isn't that it's long it is that it is heavy, and I need to go listen again several times to be sure of what I am sensing and hearing.

 

[Regina]

Her other Croc was in Jen's ROOM.

I think that's right but so what? It was Sterns who'd discarded the mate.

You don't mention the Woody Allen remark or HER text of she couldn't have Maddie sleeping with her any longer and could not risk it.

I don't think that's the precise text but regardless, I need context.
And re that remark, I don't know when that scenario occurred to Jennifer but I know that before Madeline's body was found, she's expressed thinking along the line of Sterns not having murdered Madeline but having taken her away somewhere.
Bottomline, both the text and remark lack context for me to be able to find meaning.

Also, you did hear the one where she admitted to lying about seeing her in the morning getting dressed?

No officer made that up, she admitted to such.

Her lame excuse was she wanted to believe it.

No parent lies when their kid is missing when time frames are IMPORTANT and a big deal. She also claimed he came in to get the dog around 8, also FALSE.

Just to be clear, I said I thought the officer misinterpreted what Jennifer said, not that he made it up.
And I said if said she did say that, I didn't think it was because she was of any sort of guilty knowledge.
Anyway, I'd still like to read her written statement but yes, I heard what she said and I beleive her.

 

[Regina]

Re the mate of Madeline's Croc in Jennifer's room, that's actually not right. (Lol, my post #709)
I'd remembered the photo of a white Croc in Jennifer's room but I'd forgot that in that same photo there's another white Croc.
One other photo shows those two Crocs together and that they're size 8.
In a Kissimmee Invest. Report, it's stated that a white Croc size 5-7 was collected from the apartment but isn't stated specifically where.

Sterns returned to the apartment that morn at 8:19 and left again at 8:31am and I'd like to share my theory as to why he did that.
Jennifer didn't know exactly what time it was that she woke up to Sterns trying to leash dog but I think it was actually shorty after 8:19am and that the reason was to take out the dog, that if he didn't, Jennifer would question it.

Re Sterns driving to Northport early morn of 28th, info is that he was tracked to within a half mile of his parent's home.
Other info is that the computer he'd used that Sunday morn (25th) at his parent's home was later shown to be missing it's harddrive.
(A harddrive was later found hidden in his father's storage unit but the last activity was in 2020 and so it isn't the one missing.)

 

[GrandmaBear]

Hi @Regina

Know that I am not ignoring you but am going to be quitting or dailing back on crime here. I was loving our conversation though and this is quite the case so I may or may not be in just to finish out and continue a few conversations. No time right now to catch up but I have been watching ALL the released stuff when I get a minute. May finish out some cases, may not but that is going to be about it.

I greatly enjoy our convos and you leave me trying to figure out why we see things so different some times and I enjoy that.

Later! Hope all is well with you.

 

[Regina]

Know that I am not ignoring you but am going to be quitting or dailing back on crime here. I was loving our conversation though and this is quite the case so I may or may not be in just to finish out and continue a few conversations. No time right now to catch up but I have been watching ALL the released stuff when I get a minute. May finish out some cases, may not but that is going to be about it.

I greatly enjoy our convos and you leave me trying to figure out why we see things so different some times and I enjoy that.

Later! Hope all is well with you.

Same here, and I hope all is well with you, too, and I hope to see you soon!

Yeah, I think I've seen all that's out, all that I'm interested in, anyway, lol!
Seriously, it seems to me that what I'd like to know either hasn't been released or wasn't determined.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think that's right but so what? It was Sterns who'd discarded the mate.

I don't think that's the precise text but regardless, I need context.
And re that remark, I don't know when that scenario occurred to Jennifer but I know that before Madeline's body was found, she's expressed thinking along the line of Sterns not having murdered Madeline but having taken her away somewhere.
Bottomline, both the text and remark lack context for me to be able to find meaning.

Just to be clear, I said I thought the officer misinterpreted what Jennifer said, not that he made it up.
And I said if said she did say that, I didn't think it was because she was of any sort of guilty knowledge.
Anyway, I'd still like to read her written statement but yes, I heard what she said and I beleive her.

I am going to try to catch up with you here now before there is more info dump or some such and as I said, I am quitting or dialing way back but hoping to see some cases through the ones where conversations go on, etc. like with you here and so on.

As far as the croc, it does not fit they slept upstairs, he was in the room to let the dog out only and told her to go back to bed, etc. Are you thinking he discarded it in Jen's room intentionally that morning or later in the day? I am not disagreeing, I am curious as to your thought with it... I can see a dead body being carried from Jen's room and the croc falling off, etc. It could be interpreted many ways... Not sure myself. Curious as to your thoughts.

I watched someone last night who does not even buy the dog story and he had some really good points... You know, about Jenn saying Stephan came into take the dog out and how she jumped out of bed so worried the dog would pee, instantly alert, but then she passed right back out to sleep? He mentioned how in Stephan's interviews, nothing ever really came up about the dog suggesting that was Jenn's narrative which would fit with her then saying she saw Maddie getting dressed which she has admitted to being false, but around the same supposed time frame...

I like debating and discussing with you. I am changing my opinion on JS big time. I am not 100 percent yet but you say over no guilty knowledge with this--well how about all the other things? The Woody Allen remark? To me there is NO WAY to take that other than one way and that is that she knew. It is so damning. Imo.

I don't know what all you have watched but Hidden True Crime had SS's parents on the other night. It isn't my fave show but I will watch it and it was not an LE interview but a personal one. I am not going to avoid a channel when they have someone on that is family or in the case, etc. I don't hate them but I don't love them either (HTC) and have my reasons, none of which are big reasons.

I am pretty past anyone coming down on his parents. I think they are misguided, had a problem son, a manipulative son, think they enabled and more but I don't think they had any involovement of course and people are going at them like crazy. I wouldn't say there was anything earthshaking in it but was well worth the watch. They in no way deny he did this nor are covering for him.

I don't know what all I watched since we last spoke but I think another one or two of Jenn's and I saw Stephan's where he lawyered up or asked for one at the end.

I think there is no disagreement as to what and who Stephan is.

Jenn I did give the benefit of the doubt to as you know in the beginning but I have really changed from that. I am not 100 percent but it is past too many things to explain for me. There are so MANY inconsistencies and changing stories and admitted lies.

You may be solid on your opinions in this one (I think we both are with regard to him) but I am not re her... I am not at the level of necessarily thinking she was part of the murder and disposal, etc. but I also am not convinced she was not. i am convinced she would cover for this man before she would ever care for her daughter. Pretty darned convinced.

I have also seen and I can't remember where I was at with you on this thread, her bio dad's interview and the former hub of Jen's interview. I have to say I guess I am old yet my kids are in the same age range but not raised in the same area and I have to wonder WTH with all these people? Their lingo, and the self soothing talk, and Maddie sandwiches, etc. I mean WTH?? I am so GLAD my kids never fell into or stayed into the bull being fed them at school and wherever in that generation...

Her dad's wife clearly made him unable to say things that he would have said if wife did not still have a problem he cheated on her with Jenn. It was SOOOO obvious. And as much as he was helpful and sounded helpful, clearly he was a not present and deadbeat dad putting all the pressure on Jenn.

All the ADD and time warps with ALL of them, my God, what excuses. Not saying such does not exist, I am saying not all who deal with it use it as such an excuse.

This case has sucked me in like no other in some time. It is just so beyond. All are awful and tragic but this one? I don't even get these people? None of them are adults even though adults. All looking for or using some free ride and easy life.

Anyhow, is your opinion formed and stuck to and won't change? Mine isn't. It is with regard to him of course. With JS mine has changed for the worse but not sure how far yet or to what extent. As I have said before and am even more convinced now, at the very least she needs some SERIOUS help. And I'm actually a bit beyond that nicety or lower level with her. She is not unintelligent that is clear and yet she lies. I can't disagree with almost everyone out there, she contradicts, likes and she SENT her daughter to bed with this man. And she says less times than she can count on one hand and yet says things that oppose that other times.

The Woody Allen remark means several things to me. And it is something that she knows about Woody Allen. Man I was what age when that happened and I am not twice Jen's age but in my 60s. And her remark or text of Maddie cannot sleep with me any more, I can't risk it. I can't recall the exact words but close enough. If you have watched most, you have heard this one. WTH does that mean?

To me the Woody remark means she was fine with all as long as they did not leave her out or leave her... That is the only way I can take it. That she did not become insignifcant or not part of this threesome so to speak.

I am very curious as to your thoughts on these things but haven't had a chance to get here and again, I enjoy our discussions. You never take things wrong, etc. And I don't get your opinion sometimes, I really don't and then in some cases I entirely agree as do you lol. I never know what to expect. I actually enjoy that

 

[GrandmaBear]

Same here, and I hope all is well with you, too, and I hope to see you soon!

Yeah, I think I've seen all that's out, all that I'm interested in, anyway, lol!
Seriously, it seems to me that what I'd like to know either hasn't been released or wasn't determined.

Well it isn't soon but here I am lol.

Won't be around regular though, probably ever again. As I said, at best will finish some out here if I even do that and am looking at not a single new one on here from hereon out.

I mentioned in post above etc. other stuff out, not sure what you have seen. I have made a point to see every actual interview etc. by LE and so forth. I think to this day I still have not seen Jenn's mom's. One day when I had like half a minute of spare time lol I looked for it by search but still never found it. Then there is Jenn's journal out.

I am curious as to what you mean by your last sentence. What is it you would like to know that was not released or determined? I mean of course we never know all that LE does, etc. but you seem to be talking of something specific you would like to know?

 

[Regina]

As far as the croc, it does not fit they slept upstairs, he was in the room to let the dog out only and told her to go back to bed, etc. Are you thinking he discarded it in Jen's room intentionally that morning or later in the day? I am not disagreeing, I am curious as to your thought with it... I can see a dead body being carried from Jen's room and the croc falling off, etc. It could be interpreted many ways... Not sure myself. Curious as to your thoughts.

Well, is it a fact that it was in Jenn's room and if so, where is it documented? (Per a Kissimmee report, I only know it was collected from somewhere in the apartment.)
And that when her body was moved from the front seat to the trunk, she was wearing socks but no shoes.
Btw, I can only vaguely recall Sterns saying there was a joke about wearing socks with Crocs. Can you recall where I heard that? Lol!

I watched someone last night who does not even buy the dog story and he had some really good points... You know, about Jenn saying Stephan came into take the dog out and how she jumped out of bed so worried the dog would pee, instantly alert, but then she passed right back out to sleep? He mentioned how in Stephan's interviews, nothing ever really came up about the dog suggesting that was Jenn's narrative which would fit with her then saying she saw Maddie getting dressed which she has admitted to being false, but around the same supposed time frame...

To my knowledge, Sterns never mentioned taking out the dog- nor was he asked about it but anyway- he said something like he was in and out with Jenn, checking in as they readied for school, which is an absurd notion to begin with since it defeats his purpose!
And to my knowledge, Jenn remembered him coming in her room just that one time- to lease the dog- and accidentally woke her up. You see, from her perspective, he certainly wouldn't have woke her up intentionally.
But I think she thought he'd came in earlier than he actually did- that it would have been before he left for school- and so if he told her that he dropped off Madeline between 8:20 and 8:40 (which I think he did tell her) that's where her 8am timeframe comes from.

The Woody Allen remark? To me there is NO WAY to take that other than one way and that is that she knew. It is so damning. Imo.

Well, I think it's necessary to know when that thought crossed her mind.
I think the interview in which she made that remark was after the one in which she was shown those photos and in the Woody Allen case, it was when Mia Farrow found illicit photos of the daughter that she learned the nature of that relationship....
And it's clear to me that Jenn tried to remain hopeful- no matter what she was shown or told- that Madline was still alive.

I am pretty past anyone coming down on his parents. I think they are misguided, had a problem son, a manipulative son, think they enabled and more but I don't think they had any involovement of course and people are going at them like crazy. I wouldn't say there was anything earthshaking in it but was well worth the watch. They in no way deny he did this nor are covering for him.

Well, you've mentioned Sterns friends who were guests on Gray Hughes and according to one, Sterns' mother paid off Sterns roommate after photos of the roommate's girlfriend were found in a file on a shared computer and so I wonder whether that's true...
And I suspect that he did go to his parent's home that early Wed morn and that the reason was to get rid of the missing harddrive.

Anyhow, is your opinion formed and stuck to and won't change?

I'm confident that there's no evidence that could change it.

And her remark or text of Maddie cannot sleep with me any more, I can't risk it. I can't recall the exact words but close enough. If you have watched most, you have heard this one. WTH does that mean?

It's meaningless to me, period!
But it reminds me of when that detective told Jenn that she said on the news that she didn't want Madeline to come home, which was not what she said!
(Now, that's a WTH moment for me, lol!)

I am very curious as to your thoughts on these things but haven't had a chance to get here and again, I enjoy our discussions. You never take things wrong, etc. And I don't get your opinion sometimes, I really don't and then in some cases I entirely agree as do you lol. I never know what to expect. I actually enjoy that

Likewise!
I appreciate you being here and I look forward to more discussion!

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, is it a fact that it was in Jenn's room and if so, where is it documented? (Per a Kissimmee report, I only know it was collected from somewhere in the apartment.)
And that when her body was moved from the front seat to the trunk, she was wearing socks but no shoes.
Btw, I can only vaguely recall Sterns saying there was a joke about wearing socks with Crocs. Can you recall where I heard that? Lol!

To my knowledge, Sterns never mentioned taking out the dog- nor was he asked about it but anyway- he said something like he was in and out with Jenn, checking in as they readied for school, which is an absurd notion to begin with since it defeats his purpose!
And to my knowledge, Jenn remembered him coming in her room just that one time- to lease the dog- and accidentally woke her up. You see, from her perspective, he certainly wouldn't have woke her up intentionally.
But I think she thought he'd came in earlier than he actually did- that it would have been before he left for school- and so if he told her that he dropped off Madeline between 8:20 and 8:40 (which I think he did tell her) that's where her 8am timeframe comes from.

Well, I think it's necessary to know when that thought crossed her mind.
I think the interview in which she made that remark was after the one in which she was shown those photos and in the Woody Allen case, it was when Mia Farrow found illicit photos of the daughter that she learned the nature of that relationship....
And it's clear to me that Jenn tried to remain hopeful- no matter what she was shown or told- that Madline was still alive.

Well, you've mentioned Sterns friends who were guests on Gray Hughes and according to one, Sterns' mother paid off Sterns roommate after photos of the roommate's girlfriend were found in a file on a shared computer and so I wonder whether that's true...
And I suspect that he did go to his parent's home that early Wed morn and that the reason was to get rid of the missing harddrive.

I'm confident that there's no evidence that could change it.

It's meaningless to me, period!
But it reminds me of when that detective told Jenn that she said on the news that she didn't want Madeline to come home, which was not what she said!
(Now, that's a WTH moment for me, lol!)

Likewise!
I appreciate you being here and I look forward to more discussion!

It comes from LE photos. This is getting like Daybell got back when, with all the info dump, shows, interviews so don't count on my memory lol, I have ingested a TON as you probably have. It probably is not "said" in documents but just YTers determine the crocs that were Jenn's and the one that was Maddie's IF I recall.

He did say something about socks with Crocs. SS said it pretty sure, in the actual in the interview room of LE video maybe? Pretty certain on that one.

I don't know where Jenn gets her time frame but feel she lied or if she didn't know she certainly should have said so. I would agree that I wonder if it was not when he came back with a dead Maddie. Some have suggested he realized once out the door with Maddie, etc. he realized the dog would wake Jenn if not taken out and remember he claimed he went back for the buzzer or remote or whatever for the gate. He CLEARLY was not going to share the fact he went back until he realized they I knew... Dumbarse. So are you thinking he was in her room and woke her when he came back and she just thought it what time? Or what?

The thought of Woody Allen I do not think was like later or planted in her mind because she said she always told SS her bigggest fear was it would turn into a Woody Allen thing one day. I don't have the words word for word but her biggest fear and she always told him was what she actually said. The only thing that means to me is that her daughter and SS would run off together and leave her out and that she was fine with all if it was the three. I can't find another single way to look at that. It is also odd that that statement is being very ignored out there other than by the public...

The thing is IF it is her Croc (Maddie's in Jenn's room), how so? Did he plant it there (seems unlikely he was not thinking at all, plus no reason to) or was her body carried out from Jenn's room? Of course that is an IF it is Maddie's Croc, I agree on that.

I struggle to see Jenn's love of Maddie. I mean I see moments she tries early on. Later she tries to show more and maybe it is authentic but by then she knows full well how she is being perceived big time both by the public and by LE. She is so centered on him, they say that and they are right.

I'm not convinced she had anything to do with it but I am off any zero mark with her as to knowledge of any SA and more. Way off it. You did hear he say did you not I would think if you watched it, I think I did in the last week, when they faced her with her claim she saw her getting dressed, that yes, she did, it was not true, and her explanation was she wanted to believe that? That just does not fly for me. Your daughter is missing and you want to make something up when you want her found? Nope. Not cutting it. And that one too was not a misunderstanding by an initial officer as she did admit to it.

I agree with you on going to his parents' home. I think hard drive may have been part of it but remember he could not get in... At least if parents are telling the truth. It was also surmised or said (was this by LE or talk, not sure) the reason was to get on his parents wifi like in the driveway or vicinity thinking I suppose he could not be tracked easily to the hotel, etc. to try to access his google and sh*t realizing he may have deleted his phone sh*t (to no avail) and needed to go further... I do believe he went there though and we pretty much know that is fact as cops have evidence he was in North Port (doubt they are lying about that).

Have you watched the Hidden True Crime One? Where his parents were on their show? And interview not with LE? There were a couple of moments in it and one was his dad talking as if every time Stephan had a problem or struggles they moved... It wasn't really made to be what it was or a lot said but it would align with what his friends said... To a point...

I will say though I don't think at this point they are covering for their son in any way or covering any deeds of their own. As to THIS thing with JS and Maddie and SS. I mean they have offered up everything and do not claim him innocent. If anything, if they did something early on, and I doubt it, I would say they have let them know and it would be because he played them. Their ways with him even now I don't necessarily totally agree with but that's any case, life, any of us disagreeing with how you raise a child, and a problem child on top of that, or did they create the problem child... I don't think they had an easy time with him and have been through a lot imo. I can tell you I would never see a child of mine, and mine are adults, without a roof over their head, food and basic needs, no matter what. I know this for a fact. They go beyond that and have where he never really tried nor was never self sufficient. I don't feel much different about Jenn though. She has never adulted imo.

Lol, I chuckled out loud when you said no evidence that could change your opinion. That's a tough one for me to understand and that's maybe some of where I find the conversations interesting and don't follow. We do not know everything and I am not on JS where I am decided at all, I change my meter based on the more we hear and learn. I am sold on SS's guilt of course as I am sure you are. I don't understand this and I mean this in a humorous way, you would not be an ideal juror lol because your mind is made up. Lol, would you agree? ANd to be fair there certainly are cases I could not be a juror on as my mind is mostly made up. Here though, she is questionable yet to me... I am not getting ready for work as I should be starting to be over the next couple of hours lol but if I get time and maybe I already did so, I can make just bullet points of too many things with her to dismiss...

Oh you have no problem with me agreeing she did not mean or say she did not want Maddie to come home. He either did not know the entire gist of the remark OR it was thrown in to throw her a bit for a loop or attempt to. Honestly, I am nothing but impressed with all the LE I have seen and so are most out there but people mostly are fair and all are saying that is not what she said on that one. I do not get how you cannot take a text of her saying she can't risk Maddie sleeping with her any longer as meaningful and hard to understand or explain. That was not a detective, etc. there is a text to Stephan saying that.

Finally, yes, me too. I have a few favorites for good discussions and debates and never taking a single thing wrong and you are one of those tops. I better start moving at least. I may sneak a minute or two if I have one yet but time to try to motivate.

Missed this. Enjoy it. I of course do not enjoy a child died here. Like I said, this case has sucked me in big time like no other for some time.

 

[Regina]

It comes from LE photos. This is getting like Daybell got back when, with all the info dump, shows, interviews so don't count on my memory lol, I have ingested a TON as you probably have. It probably is not "said" in documents but just YTers determine the crocs that were Jenn's and the one that was Maddie's IF I recall.

I must have missed it because now that I think about it, surely they photographed it as it was where they found it.

 

[Regina]

I don't know where Jenn gets her time frame but feel she lied or if she didn't know she certainly should have said so. I would agree that I wonder if it was not when he came back with a dead Maddie. Some have suggested he realized once out the door with Maddie, etc. he realized the dog would wake Jenn if not taken out and remember he claimed he went back for the buzzer or remote or whatever for the gate. He CLEARLY was not going to share the fact he went back until he realized they I knew... Dumbarse. So are you thinking he was in her room and woke her when he came back and she just thought it what time? Or what?

Indeed, it appears to me that the only reason he came back at 8:19 was to tend to the dog.
And yes, the only reason he admitted to going back is because he was confronted with the fact that his vehicle was seen on video at 8:19 headed back that way. And indeed, to get his clicker is not only an absurd excuse (seriously, that one takes the cake, lol!) but we know it's a lie because video shows that he didn't enter the front like he said he did, he entered the back!

The thought of Woody Allen I do not think was like later or planted in her mind because she said she always told SS her bigggest fear was it would turn into a Woody Allen thing one day. I don't have the words word for word but her biggest fear and she always told him was what she actually said. The only thing that means to me is that her daughter and SS would run off together and leave her out and that she was fine with all if it was the three. I can't find another single way to look at that. It is also odd that that statement is being very ignored out there other than by the public...

Well, to me, it isn't a big deal, I mean, you'd have to tell me why it's a big deal, lol!
And you lost me at "she would be fine with all if it was the three". Fine with what?

The thing is IF it is her Croc (Maddie's in Jenn's room), how so? Did he plant it there (seems unlikely he was not thinking at all, plus no reason to) or was her body carried out from Jenn's room? Of course that is an IF it is Maddie's Croc, I agree on that.

All I know is that he had plenty of opportunity to discard both but didn't.

I agree with you on going to his parents' home. I think hard drive may have been part of it but remember he could not get in... At least if parents are telling the truth. It was also surmised or said (was this by LE or talk, not sure) the reason was to get on his parents wifi like in the driveway or vicinity thinking I suppose he could not be tracked easily to the hotel, etc. to try to access his google and sh*t realizing he may have deleted his phone sh*t (to no avail) and needed to go further... I do believe he went there though and we pretty much know that is fact as cops have evidence he was in North Port (doubt they are lying about that).

I just know that he was tracked very near to his parent's home and subsequent to that, the harddrive was missing from the computer he'd used just that prior Sun morn.
Btw, it was dashcam video of a police vehicle at the scene of an accident that caught his vehicle go by!

I'm not convinced she had anything to do with it but I am off any zero mark with her as to knowledge of any SA and more. Way off it. You did hear he say did you not I would think if you watched it, I think I did in the last week, when they faced her with her claim she saw her getting dressed, that yes, she did, it was not true, and her explanation was she wanted to believe that? That just does not fly for me. Your daughter is missing and you want to make something up when you want her found? Nope. Not cutting it. And that one too was not a misunderstanding by an initial officer as she did admit to it.

Yes, I've heard it and I've offered my take on it which you obviously disagree with, lol!
Bottomline, I think she assumed Madeline was up and getting ready for school when Sterns came into her bedroom to leash the dog.

Lol, I chuckled out loud when you said no evidence that could change your opinion. That's a tough one for me to understand and that's maybe some of where I find the conversations interesting and don't follow. We do not know everything and I am not on JS where I am decided at all, I change my meter based on the more we hear and learn.

Well, there's no evidence against her and I see no reason to think there might still be some sort of evidence against her that wouldn't have already been found.

I do not get how you cannot take a text of her saying she can't risk Maddie sleeping with her any longer as meaningful and hard to understand or explain. That was not a detective, etc. there is a text to Stephan saying that.

Well, she didn't remember the text and I don't blame her!

Anyway, speaking of texts, below are texts from that Sun night.
At 11:39pm, Jennifer texts Sterns: Make sure she goes to bed right now.
Sterns: Ok sweetie, goodnight.
Jennifer: Goodnight
At 11:40pm, Sterns texts Jennifer: She's built her nest and she's settling-in now
Jennifer: Ok good
Jennifer sets her phone on th charger at 11:54pm. and is removed from charger at 9:19am.

Madeline's phone recs here below are very interesting.
Plugged into charger at 11:38pm. Unplugged at 7:04am. Powered off at 10:55am.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I must have missed it because now that I think about it, surely they photographed it as it was where thy found it.

Going to admit I am fuzzy about it but at first one was thought to be Maddie's. Then it was determined about Jen's Crocs but then eliminating them there was still a white Croc if I recall. Like I said and you know, have taken in a LOT but it comes from photos, that much I know. With the release, doc dump. And yeah, they would photo how the home was, where things were found, etc.

I won't sit here and say I can verify it but it is how I recall it and think likely and verifiable. LE did not provide all these cases pics with explanations, it is like how we got interviews or recordings with no video at first, etc... LOL this is probably how in some respects both sides dump discovery on each other, we will give it to you as required by law but we are not going to help you piece it together...

So I'm only saying if that is Maddie's Croc, in Jenn's room, well, it does really fit the entire story no matter which version....

I am not entirely sold on anything other than his guilt but I sure am questioning a lot...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Indeed, it appears to me that the only reason he came back at 8:19 was to tend to the dog.
And yes, the only reason he admitted to going back is because he was confronted with the fact that his vehicle was seen on video at 8:19 headed back that way. And indeed, to get his clicker is not only an absurd excuse (seriously, that one takes the cake, lol!) but we know it's a lie because video shows that he didn't enter the front like he said he did, he entered the back!
I think it very well may have been about the dog but not convinced the clicker could not have played in. He did enter the back, true, but are you saying anyone can with no clicker, pass, etc.? The only gate they can get through to my knowledge without such, etc. is the front if the guard is on duty because then they can recognize, do the parking pass thing, etc...