I've only read the one batch of Kissimmee PD reports consisting of 80 pages. There'a another batch from Kissimmee that's 52 pages that I haven't read.
In the Orange Co Sheriff Office batch- 896 pages- I've only read the written statements of Sterns and Jennifer, which are pages 4 and 5.
Anyway, I haven't come across anything re bed sizes, except Jennifer saying her's was a king, which, yeah, looks like a king to me. Lol!
Jennifer's comprehension was that Sterns "loved and cared for Madeline like (she) did". (Her exact words.)
And she didn't hide the fact that she'd sent them to sleep upstairs, to the contrary, she told detectives that's how it went and did so in a very casual, matter of fact kind of way.
So I don't know what that tells you but it tells me that- bottomline-she trusted him.
I haven't read ANY of them; myself so you are ahead of me. What I have seen comes from shows that pulled excerpts. The Orange County bit of finding MOST things that were in contact with her when she was being SA'ed comes from a show with Vinnie Politan. He had it up on the screen. He's not my fave but when I am interested in a case I will watch most I encounter if they have the docs or aren't someone I refuse absolutely to watch. He had on both Grizzly and Gray and not a fan of either so that almost had me turning it but I stuck it out. I wrote down even the minute mark in case you or anyone wanted to know but I'd have to find the show again.
As I've said I guess overall the bed sizes really are not relevant.
That's a TON of pages of police reports, wow. If I thought I was going to read all at some point, at 896 with just one, it is very doubtful I ever will.
I know she said that but she also said she always slept with her, she nixed sleepovers, and this happened less than five times or what she can count on one hand. Well this happened so many darned times over years, something does not add up there and he has tons upon tons of images. Did she consider them being in a room alone at other times not a sleep over? Being alone with a man at any time of day is the same thing really. Or was this going on right in the room the three slept in of JS while she was zonked out where on one could wake her? I have trouble with that. We know the camera equipment was set up upstairs, however, that was at this point in this year. Was he SAing her all over the home at any time, that they found these things mostly downstairs? It did say upstairs too but majority downstairs in the bedroom of JS and the makeshift bedroom.
I don't think I had seen such before and I guess it goes to show since we haven't read all the police reports there are things we don't know still even in what is released.
JS also made the remark of she couldn't see how he could have gotten her out of house, etc. as roommates are all hours and never know when, etc. or something on that order...
It's amazing to me neither mom nor roommates ever picked up on any of this although the one DID ask JS if she was okay with them being in his bedroom with door closed and to me that says she as wondering something... She says it is just her nature and way and she'd take no such chance. It was the one with the son. It's a clear example of the decisions of JS are not what other parents would ever allow or decide. Imo.
I'm going to add in your next post as I've seen it.
If you recall, I mentioned the croc and supposedly it was in the bedroom of JS. Of course that bothers me like many other things. I can't say I'm up on or fresh on the pics. Mostly I saw shows that showed them OR often listened to the shows, not always able to be watching the screen. I've absorbed a ton as have you I'm sure. I'm just going with what was said and the way I recall it was there was a pair belonging yes I believe to JS but the mate to the pair of MS as well and all were I believe in the bedroom of JS.
You know it is interesting that JS woke up just fine when SS entered the bedroom and jumped to it in fact all worried about the dog... Other accounts would say she could not be woken up when zonked on her meds.
I dont' know or recall a thing I don't think about the black shorts. Something nags at the edge of my memory, did you mention where they were found or something? I can't recall. It seems to me too that Stephan's boxers or some such were found in the bedroom of MS... I should go back and find some shows about the pics. Or do you actually have access to all the actual pics without a show? And of course some are correlating what is in the pics with what they have read in reports...
I know you think she flat out blindly trusted him but I'm sorry that I'm not so sure. At best she was extremly neglectful and put herself and needs first and is responsible for some very poor decisions. I've seen mothers charged for less where something did not go on for years either. I'd only be repeating myself which I guess I am when I say her and habit of naming times to LE if she does not really know, saying we when she says now it wasn't we, etc., calling him her ex basically in some situations then referring to him as her current partner and more did not help her out ONE BIT.
You know I even wonder what was going on that JS missed her own meds the day before and of all nights she need to get some good sleep and send them out of the room it was THIS night, the very NIGHT MS dies. Did JS often miss her own meds? Seems a bit unlikely to me too being she apparently slept through everything for years on end... Or if this was sometimes going on in day time (I mean who knows), WHERE was she??? Seems pretty proven NEITHER of them ever held a job for long.
For him to have all the images he had, over many years, JS did not only send her to bed with him a small number of times OR she was there rather than having sent them off alone...
Finally I know if I recall you will watch Dr. G. I have not had him pop up for me in awhile so don't know if he has done anything on this but the Behavior Panel has and if I recall I know you won't watch them. I don't take any show of any kind as fact but I will use what they show from docs or what they point out and look at it and they pointed out a LOT with her behavior. And there were a few times too they felt as if she was truthful but many a time they pointed out otherwise. Again, I don't from my opinions from others but getting things pointed out that are there or are fact, like the croc, I will add to my thoughts. I really need the time to go back, and to even read what you have as well, but not likely to happen anytime soon.
Finally, I don't believe LE has cleared her whatsoever nor do I believe they necessarily believe her and imo it is for good reason. And he's the big fish right now. Even waiting to see what he will do or if he will turn on her isn't stupid, they have plenty of time. Jmo. Both SS and JS are extremely self centered imo, and I will give her this one although it is not necessarily to her credit--JS actually worries about SS, the man who did all this to her very flesh and blood daughter, but I've seen no signs of his concerns about not involving JS or about her or any vice versa. It's an interesting dynamic because she talks as if she was the decision maker in she was done with him, she charged him rent, she needed to help him get back to Kissimmee, etc... and yet who was really running the show and abusing her daughter and playing her... Yet even then she worries about him and is almost more of a "mother" to SS than to her own child... I think she'd take or use anyone who would take on and help with Maddie so she could just do her thing... And I don't believe MS had ADD, there are so many misdiagnosed cases of that unless abuse actually CAUSES it, it is the abuse causing these issues... And a household with two "adults" who are abusing their drugs and you name it.
Didn't plan on going here or anything, just kind of talking out things that come to mind as I type it... And working out some thoughts... To see where I'm at...
Imo they can charge JS with neglect at minimum at any time or failure to do her duty or whatever the appropriate charges are.
And they aren't going to mess with such stuff at this point in time and I fully understand why they wouldn't.
And such does not have to meet a really high bar.
She should have started out not lying for one or misleading or parroting his story.
You know I started out with benefit of the doubt and there are things I can see or give that for for reasons I've seen in life but at this point, she is a pretty unsympathetic character to me as she has been for most from the start, but I waited and I'm still not there but I am getting there. She is self first and self preservation first and I've seen little sympathy or feeling over her child. First off it was preservation of SS and then and now it is preservaton of herself. I don't know that she has even abandoned concern for him other than she's had to act that way at this point because of all coming against her.
The fact she could find out all about the SA and at the same time still think he was innocent of her murder is just beyond comprehension to me.
Actually though it isn't, it shows her imo for what she is...
I know you are not going to agree with all my morning thoughts when I've had a bit of time to let them come and see where I'm at, but we are used to that lol on both our parts.
Delphi is fast acoming. Is that a word? Probably needs an apostrophe lol. I'm not entirely trust it will go off until it does.
One more shift and then two days off which never seem like two and an early start the day after going back. Usually I have until 1 when I head back but this week for some reason I get an 8:30. I have all day shifts next week and that NEVER has happened. Didn't get out of there last night until 9:40 (we close at 9) nor did several others because there were three people that even when told we were closed headed off thinking they could shop more because they had not finished... I don't even know what time the mgr. finally got out of there. That may not sound late but it is. Generally and it never fails, it is usually 9:15 if just the usual last minute ones. Maybe 9:20. I was so irritated. This one man they were finally headed for the checkout (two of them) and one diverted and went back into the store and he had been TOLD we are already closed. 20 minutes later maybe... Then he is searching is pockets for his wallet, had to call his wife about using some card of hers or some such or get approval anyhow by her.... On and on and on, then wanted things removed from his total and that meant people having to go put these things back on shelves before leaving... Our front end mgr was still there when I left. God knows what time she was able to get out of there.
Talk about irritatng and rude. He tells his wife on the phone they are closing now and I said NO, we ARE closed. (And have been for at least 30 minutes and it was announced, always is a couple of times ahead of time) Do you get it??? And you have kept HOW many people here because you give a sh*t....
Anyhow, short window feels like between that and back this morning... Not nearly enough down time or sleep.
They keep more than they can imagine on staff. The department they dive back into can't leave or any if they still are in store, etc...
Anyhow one of the latest I've had and I've had a few... One time was maybe comparable or worse...Who can be let go eventually are but I'm always on til last.
O/T I know but not like anyone else is in here. LOL.
I'm sleeping in tomorrow. Always say that but never manage to lol.
You have a wonderful day!
