CA ORRIN WEST & ORSON WEST: Missing from California City, CA - 21 Dec 2020 - Age 3 & 4 *GUILTY*

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They're all winding down in the same week, although this case isn't going to the jury until next week! Praying for justice in this case. I'm really not sure which way this one is going!
What is this new thing of courts taking days off DURING long awaited trials??? Boyce is doing it and they are doing it here. The jurors have lives to get back to! So do reporters, anyone attending from out of town, etc. Bunch of b.s. if you ask me. Another NEW TREND and not a positive one....
 
Much less on this case also currently in trial.

I have shared this YTer before, she does a good show, good research and does so responsibly.

i'm not through it yet, no time as usual but she is playing the opening statement and is going to recap all to date.

As always suspected, the income from adoption was their source of income. $4,000 a month for four adopted children.

One thing that threw me a bit is they said the Wests planned their murders with an UNKNOWN conspirator... Huh???

I haven't went far enough to find out what that means or why they think that...

Worth watching already (even though I haven't seen it all yet)

 
Some small clips released but anyhow rest of trial could only be listened to by audio WHILE it was happening and after no way to access it again.
 
Closing statements are today she said. So let's hope and pray these two are the next convicted. So far we are 2 for 2 and let's hope it's 4 for 4 in these recent and current trials. These two parents are being tried together.
 
Closing statements are today she said. So let's hope and pray these two are the next convicted. So far we are 2 for 2 and let's hope it's 4 for 4 in these recent and current trials. These two parents are being tried together.
I have no idea whether this pair are guilty or not. They certainly are the prime suspects in my mind. Not being able to follow this trial closely makes it hard for me to decide if they had enough evidence or not. On the surface, it seems like not. First of all, they don’t know exactly what happened to the boys.

The verdict is going to be interesting.
 
I have no idea whether this pair are guilty or not. They certainly are the prime suspects in my mind. Not being able to follow this trial closely makes it hard for me to decide if they had enough evidence or not. On the surface, it seems like not. First of all, they don’t know exactly what happened to the boys.

The verdict is going to be interesting.
Did they ever find the boys? I just popped over to see what's going on.
 

by: Jason Kotowski
Posted: May 16, 2023 / 12:56 PM PDT
Updated: May 16, 2023 / 12:57 PM PDT

BAKERSFIELD, Calf. (KGET) — Trezell and Jacqueline West are adept at telling lies, an attorney said Tuesday.

They lied to law enforcement, their parents, even their children, prosecutor Eric Smith said. The lies, he said, revolved around what happened to their adopted children Orrin, 4, and Orson, 3

The Wests claimed the boys disappeared Dec. 21, 2020, while playing in their backyard in California City, having moved there from Bakersfield three months earlier.

The reality, Smith said, is Orrin and Orson never made it to California City. Relatives hadn’t seen them for months, and surveillance footage never captured them in California City or
Bakersfield on multiple dates in the weeks leading up to the missing persons report.

“Where are Orrin and Orson? They’re dead,” Smith said as he presented his closing argument in the Wests’ weekslong trial. He asked the jury to return guilty verdicts on all charges, including murder.

Smith completed his argument at about 11:40 a.m. Defense attorneys will present closing arguments starting at 1:30 p.m.

The Wests face life terms in prison if convicted as charged.

Ultimately, Smith said, the Wests’ four other children — two biological, two adopted — unraveled their scheme. The Wests wrongly believed law enforcement couldn’t question their children without their permission.

When a California City police officer interviewed the children the day after Orrin and Orson were reported missing, they all said the same thing: They hadn’t seen their brothers for weeks.

A week later, the Wests’ eldest biological child came forward with startling information; he told a social worker he saw Orrin die at the family’s apartment in Bakersfield in September. He said his parents never called 911 for help. A week later they moved to California City, and shortly after Orson disappeared, the boy said.

The boy said only he and his parents had seen Orrin die. His parents swore him to secrecy, he said, telling him if anyone else knew what happened the children would be taken away.

“He knew the right thing,” Smith said. “The reason he didn’t say anything earlier is because of his parents.”

The Wests loved their two biological children but abused their adopted sons, the prosecutor said. Orrin and Orson were abused merely because they cried a lot, Smith said, referring the jury to testimony from another child who spent time with the Wests and reported Jacqueline West would place crying children in a chokehold to get them to stop.

It’s unclear exactly what led to Orrin’s death, but afterward the Wests conspired to kill Orson, Smith said. They used the Covid-19 pandemic as cover; it made for a convenient excuse to keep the children away from relatives, he said.

In the three months from when the boys died to when they were reported missing, the Wests had plenty of time to dispose of the bodies, get new phones and come up with a story, Smith said.
They didn’t care about Orrin and Orson, only adopting them for the $1,000 monthly payments the state paid for each child. The Wests’ income came almost entirely from those payments and ones they received for their other adopted children.

“Trezell and Jacqueline have no moral fiber,” he said. “They killed two kids.”
 
I have no idea whether this pair are guilty or not. They certainly are the prime suspects in my mind. Not being able to follow this trial closely makes it hard for me to decide if they had enough evidence or not. On the surface, it seems like not. First of all, they don’t know exactly what happened to the boys.

The verdict is going to be interesting.
Her video had a lot of the important points. And of course one big thing is what the other children have said and especially the oldest and not only about death of one but hearing a thud and the next day the other was gone. Also talk of abuse and bleeding bottoms, how J would do chokeholds of any child who cried.

Then of course there are the lies.

And showing TONS of things that NO ONE had seen this children and that they did NOT HAVE them as they claimed when they went missing.

ALL four kids claimed not to see the two boys SINCE September.

J & T had the oldest lie about the death of the first one.

J tried to tell the kid after at one point during investigation he did not have to talk to police and it was obvious what she was doing.

They also claimed to T's mom that those two boys were with J's mom, all a lie, she never had them. This is very like Lori Daybell claiming her kids were with Kay and then with Mel G.

And more.

They are guilty in my eyes and I think there is plenty of reason and especially the eyewitness of their own child.

They are guilty in my eyes.
 
Here is Linda. I think she has one or two things wrong, no big deal, but if one wants a shortened dialed in version, she is good at that. I do think she is trying to get on top of the three cases, she was only doing T, then tried to catch up on Lori and now West.

Grizzly's show is longer but had a lot of detail and far more mention of the numerous witnesses, etc. and info.

Both good but in their own way. One very abbreviated, one covering all the pertininent facts and testimony throughout.

I am praying for a guilty verdict for this pair.

 

by David Kaplan, Eyewitness News
Wed, May 17th 2023, 1:48 AM EDT

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KBAK/FOX58) — The murder trial of two adoptive parents is now in the jurors' hands. The prosecution and defense gave their closing arguments Tuesday in court.

All three attorneys reviewed the evidence from throughout the case. Prosecutor Eric Smith said there's been 65 witnesses in this case. He brought up what DA Cynthia Zimmer said in her press conference over a year ago. He said in this case you don't need a body to produce a guilty verdict, you need a criminal act.

<snip>

The defense continued to try and poke holes in the prosecution's case, saying police didn't follow up on leads and they didn't look into local registered sex offenders enough. Tim Hennessy, Trezell West's lead attorney tried to prove law enforcement was biased and that they didn't consider other possibilities when it came to how to find the boys. Hennessy and Alekxia Torres Stallings both said there is reasonable doubt and reasonable doubt means Trezell and Jacqueline are not guilty.

Torres Stallings said the prosecution's whole case is nearly based on circumstantial evidence. She said the one piece of direct evidence was the Wests' eldest biological son interviews with law enforcement and the social worker. She said the interviews with the West's sons weren't conducted properly.

“A car driving away from the house where the boys disappeared, we got no explanation for that? Hanson sat and told you there's a lack of evidence. That's what he's relying on? And then he got hit with like 40 photos of all the proof that there were boys in that house. There's birth parent's DNA on the car seat, and on the van and no one's addressed that? They have no explanation for that," Hennessy said.

The case is now in the jury's hands. As soon as a verdict is announced, Eyewitness News will bring it to you.
 
Just finally finished the Grizzly one I posted above. She had all 3 opening arguments and also went through all the main points of the trial.

Imo there is a LOT, far more people not seeing these children nor any sign of them over months, etc. A lot more the kids said and others knew. Etc.

We talk of whether adults Lori and Chad in the other case will turn on each other well in this one, these parents and their attorneys have basically turned on their own child, discrediting him is key. Horrible people. Dr. Napolitano is who they have who hasn't done a child forensic exam in 17 years or something like that. Sounds like the psych expert they had in Stauch.

It IS a largely circumstantial case along with testimony though of FOUR children, may be one more that lived there prior if I have it right. But there IS a LOT of evidence of no life, existence, etc. of these children.

Imo both grandmothers lied at times.

This trial IS in verdict watch.
 
Here is Linda. I think she has one or two things wrong, no big deal, but if one wants a shortened dialed in version, she is good at that. I do think she is trying to get on top of the three cases, she was only doing T, then tried to catch up on Lori and now West.

Grizzly's show is longer but had a lot of detail and far more mention of the numerous witnesses, etc. and info.

Both good but in their own way. One very abbreviated, one covering all the pertininent facts and testimony throughout.

I am praying for a guilty verdict for this pair.


I watched this last night. Very informative for me because I couldn’t figure out the kids’ testimonies before I watched her video..
 
Just finally finished the Grizzly one I posted above. She had all 3 opening arguments and also went through all the main points of the trial.

Imo there is a LOT, far more people not seeing these children nor any sign of them over months, etc. A lot more the kids said and others knew. Etc.

We talk of whether adults Lori and Chad in the other case will turn on each other well in this one, these parents and their attorneys have basically turned on their own child, discrediting him is key. Horrible people. Dr. Napolitano is who they have who hasn't done a child forensic exam in 17 years or something like that. Sounds like the psych expert they had in Stauch.

It IS a largely circumstantial case along with testimony though of FOUR children, may be one more that lived there prior if I have it right. But there IS a LOT of evidence of no life, existence, etc. of these children.

Imo both grandmothers lied at times.

This trial IS in verdict watch.
I’ll have to pick up hers. I like grizzly.
 
I’ll have to pick up hers. I like grizzly.
She's very thorough and very good, I agree. Doesn't get sensational but isn't scared to show her disbelief like with the defense and J & T in this case, etc. Linda dials right in too but she's had a lot else going on I think and she didn't cover the extent Grizzly did and not that it is a big deal but Linda had a few facts wrong in I think trying to get on top of the third case she had followed that's in trial.

Thing is Grizzly is always at least an hour and I don't always have the time.

Worth it though since we couldn't watch West as she hit the key things of the entire thing in this one video. Not the closings yet but all else.
 
She's very thorough and very good, I agree. Doesn't get sensational but isn't scared to show her disbelief like with the defense and J & T in this case, etc. Linda dials right in too but she's had a lot else going on I think and she didn't cover the extent Grizzly did and not that it is a big deal but Linda had a few facts wrong in I think trying to get on top of the third case she had followed that's in trial.

Thing is Grizzly is always at least an hour and I don't always have the time.

Worth it though since we couldn't watch West as she hit the key things of the entire thing in this one video. Not the closings yet but all else.
Yeah, I want to catch her show for the same reasons that you pointed out. I wasn’t able to keep up with this trial, either.
 
I explained my reasoning here, GBear
Little confused by what you mean here but if you mean kids' testimonies, yeah. Grizz goes into that a lot farther.

I think of jury instructions in ALL cases in that you can determine whether a person's testimony is believable or even determine that part is and part is not, etc. These kids are telling the truth but then I think things come in that worry them and/or the age and passage of time adds to that. I think the key points are all total truth.

And defense centered on destroying the testimony of their own son. I don't think it worked or would pray it didn't because the kid came forward, told the truth, etc.

Another interesting thing is he was online and SAW that his own dad said the kids were missing wherein he knew the one boy was dead and was not missing. He had not known it was his dad that said that.
 
Yeah, I want to catch her show for the same reasons that you pointed out. I wasn’t able to keep up with this trial, either.
Lol she has had little time too with all the trials and in fact said she is "only one person" to try to keep up with them. This one as we all know has had the least openness or info too and Vallow got all the attention, Stauch had some but went to verdict first and now she is trying to get on top of this one as a few are I think, Linda too.

Just like us not able to keep up on all.

This one they could or people could listen in but not record, see, etc. and opening statements were only just released when it was done.

IT IS in verdict watch. I usually have a really fairly precise prediction but I am iffier on this one. I think by week's end we will know something. I am hoping it isn't a deadlock. I DO think for me there would be enough and I think for most jurors but it is a chancier one. I HOPE to see them back today, the jury, and if not, I would say there is at least one hold out.
 

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