Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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He has had a lot of criticism for this PC. Newsday article below covers it.

I don't think he cares about popularity contests LOL. I do think it is relevant for him to mention this dark stuff though. Everything needs to be known and this is all about the background of their family life.

Okay, THIS is where I got the Newsday reference, I was thinking it was in the other thread about this.

I can't read it, paywall. Can't recall if I could earlier, I may have been able to as was on my phone, not my laptop but I saw posts on both threads relating to CB and may not have them straight. Jus responded on the other one.

I've changed my mind somewhat since seeing THAT part and all the drawings. Ray probably still shouldn't say she did it or acted with dad or the family did, but heck the defense has done sh*t like that in Delphi and B & R haven't been used yet naming people who they say killed the girls with absolutely NO PROOF.

The drawings seeing more of them and more closely now make it pretty clear something is very wrong here... I think defamation would be a lot harder since any average person knowing how the bodies of her dad's victims were found and seeing some of these pics that there is no relation somehow...

He has had a lot of criticism but those that have I wonder if they saw all that, most were only commenting on what he said at his presser and the handful of pics he showed, not ALL of THESE...

He probably should leave it to LE but then his girl is FREE and clearly one disturbed individual, and who knows about mom and brother...
 
A good article with detail of what was seized but very graphic, so I won't copy pasta that bit.

WARNING graphic content in article

Link below


Discussing digital evidence, the DA said so far, they have combed 15 different cameras, 27 computers, 58 internal hard drives, 22 external hard drives, 46 cell phones, 9 wifi routers, 44 SD microcards, 17 tablets, 42 USB devices, 8 laptops, 50 hotel cards, 36 SIM cards, 646 floppy discs, and more.
"It's a massive amount of data," Tierney said.


"Violent bondage and torture pornography"

Heuermann, Tierney said, had a "significant collection of violent bondage and torture pornography," dating back to the 1990s, with scenarios "similar to the conditions the two latest victims were left in. The pornographic images accessed by Rex Heuermann are consistent with the crime scenes of Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla."
See he is saying these images CB had were consistent with the crime scenes and bodies of these two victims but RAy is saying they are consistent with Victoria's drawing and perhaps it is both...

The electronic devices etc. sounds right and come straight from a document if it is what I was hearing it from or from statements in court. I couldn't keep up with the numbers of each thing when they were coming fast and furious at me the day of in what I was watching which was Joe.
 
He apparently got it from a Tumblr account in the daughter's name that had not been deleted. I am not familiar with Tumblr at all. Is anyone else?
I get that but it isn't what I mean. I mean did he FIND it himself, did it come from some internet sleuths who then told him and keyed him in, or did it come from LE documentation in this newest round of talked of evidence and new murder charges against CB. Where did Ray GET it is what I meant more so, how was HE turned onto it...?
 
So Tierney is saying CB is definitely a suspect in a 7th murder - Valerie Mack. I think this will leave four victims still to be charged - Karen Vergata, Peaches and her toddler and the Asian cross dresser. They are progressing with identification of Peaches, I believe.

This also agrees with what Joe Giacalone anticipated when he mentioned three more victims would be named - those three being Costello, Taylor and Mack.

Karen has got to be the next one named surely?
Yeah Joe heard three or rumblings of three and the most recent two are two of them and I suspect since Tierney was willing to outright say he is a suspect in Mack's that was the third. that Joe had heard on.

I think too Peaches is close to ID if they even don't know already but maybe need to find some family members or some such...? I mean they got some sh*t for Vergata's sons hearing of their mom being one of the LI victims and named not hearing it from LE first... Up to them they had no idea if she was alive, dead or what had happened to her and that's how they found out. Don't get me wrong, I do think LE were in touch with another family member or two and informed them but not the sons directly who were adopted out. Still, they may be ensuring they find all who could possibly be related to Peaches OR they don't know yet but are close... They also may think they "know" but are awaiting formal ID and verification of who they think she is...

I think the Asian male may well come back to him at some point too. He is the one we likely hear least about or talked of least but I think all may well come back to him.

As far as you saying that only leaves four victims to still be charged for, that's assuming these are ALL and he had no others there that have not been found OR elsewhere whether Manorville, SC, Vegas and even Gilgo, etc. I in no way think this is the end of CB's victims. I think they will number many times this by the time this is all over...
 
A good article with detail of what was seized but very graphic, so I won't copy pasta that bit.

WARNING graphic content in article

Link below


Discussing digital evidence, the DA said so far, they have combed 15 different cameras, 27 computers, 58 internal hard drives, 22 external hard drives, 46 cell phones, 9 wifi routers, 44 SD microcards, 17 tablets, 42 USB devices, 8 laptops, 50 hotel cards, 36 SIM cards, 646 floppy discs, and more.
"It's a massive amount of data," Tierney said.


"Violent bondage and torture pornography"

Heuermann, Tierney said, had a "significant collection of violent bondage and torture pornography," dating back to the 1990s, with scenarios "similar to the conditions the two latest victims were left in. The pornographic images accessed by Rex Heuermann are consistent with the crime scenes of Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla."
I am bringing this forward because I want to question this particular paragraph. It cannot be true can it?

"Macedonia sent out a statement Thursday: "Today's indictment further illustrates that Asa Ellerup has no involvement in any of the alleged crimes that her estranged husband, Rex Heuermann, has been charged with. Ms. Ellerup married Rex Heuermann in 1996. She was not residing with Rex Heuermann in the Massapequa Park domicile in 1993, the year Ms. Costilla was murdered."

Didn't Karen Vergata visit on 14th Feb "93 according to John Ray's witness affidavit from the woman whose cop boyfriend took them there and they met his pregnant wife? So she was there wasnt she? We worked out Victoria's age IIRC and the pregnancy seemed to check out.

Something is not right here.
 
I get that but it isn't what I mean. I mean did he FIND it himself, did it come from some internet sleuths who then told him and keyed him in, or did it come from LE documentation in this newest round of talked of evidence and new murder charges against CB. Where did Ray GET it is what I meant more so, how was HE turned onto it...?
I don't think we know but he does mention all the other social media of her and her mother was all deleted except for this Tumblr source. It was probably just discovered by a search on her name. Or perhaps Rays clients, the victim's relatives alerted him to it.
 
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Yeah Joe heard three or rumblings of three and the most recent two are two of them and I suspect since Tierney was willing to outright say he is a suspect in Mack's that was the third. that Joe had heard on.

I think too Peaches is close to ID if they even don't know already but maybe need to find some family members or some such...? I mean they got some sh*t for Vergata's sons hearing of their mom being one of the LI victims and named not hearing it from LE first... Up to them they had no idea if she was alive, dead or what had happened to her and that's how they found out. Don't get me wrong, I do think LE were in touch with another family member or two and informed them but not the sons directly who were adopted out. Still, they may be ensuring they find all who could possibly be related to Peaches OR they don't know yet but are close... They also may think they "know" but are awaiting formal ID and verification of who they think she is...

I think the Asian male may well come back to him at some point too. He is the one we likely hear least about or talked of least but I think all may well come back to him.

As far as you saying that only leaves four victims to still be charged for, that's assuming these are ALL and he had no others there that have not been found OR elsewhere whether Manorville, SC, Vegas and even Gilgo, etc. I in no way think this is the end of CB's victims. I think they will number many times this by the time this is all over...
I am only talking of his possible known LI victims so far, ie Karen, Peaches and her daughter and the Asian male, possibly Sharron too. Clearly we cannot talk of any unknown ones. That would be for future investigations to determine and I'm sure there will be more, too.
 
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I am bringing this forward because I want to question this particular paragraph. It cannot be true can it?

"Macedonia sent out a statement Thursday: "Today's indictment further illustrates that Asa Ellerup has no involvement in any of the alleged crimes that her estranged husband, Rex Heuermann, has been charged with. Ms. Ellerup married Rex Heuermann in 1996. She was not residing with Rex Heuermann in the Massapequa Park domicile in 1993, the year Ms. Costilla was murdered."

Didn't Karen Vergata visit on 14th Feb "93 according to John Ray's witness affidavit from the woman whose cop boyfriend took them there and they met his pregnant wife? So she was there wasnt she? We worked out Victoria's age IIRC and the pregnancy seemed to check out.

Something is not right here.
We had the pregnancy figured or estimated and it all added up as I recall. They were married before Victoria was born were they not? I don't know how to search the threads, i've tried it and I do something wrong as it won't do the entire thread for me, etc. Does Macedonia have it wrong? He was allegedly living with someone else, another woman when one of the killings of the two just charged for occurred.

Okay googled a bit, married in April 1996 and resided with her daughter and their son, does that mean they married after V was born? Did the live together first and what year did the one go missing that was recently charged and another woman's hair was found on that he had lived with? Maybe when they were swinging they weren't yet married...?

Not sure. Are you sure on the year of the story of Vergata? I know it was February on or near Valentine's Day, the year not as sure of. Was it '93? It was '90 something.
 
I don't think we know but he does mention all the other social media of her and her mother was all deleted except for this Tumblr source. It was probably just discovered by a search on her name. Or perhaps Rays clients, the victim's relatives alerted him to it.
Well I think we can rule out LE or Tierney sharing any info with him that isn't publicly filed and known and we haven't heard that this is I don't think. So that is PROBABLY not how he knows.

Internet sleuths and those with channels when people are named and even when new cases hit the news, like a new murder, instantly go searching SM and everywhere for the names of perps, victims, family members and more and that's the most likely. Plunder has for instance learned to screen shot things because some of them take their SM down pretty darned fast when something like this happens. He himself may have done it or the victim's family member/as you say but this sounds like there are vestiges of an account and some pics left online. I kind of think it more likely that someone she shared with had some saved or even that someone screen shot some and then the account was taken down before they could finish or some such or was the entire account still in existence, it sounded like only some parts were left... Hard to say. Or a YTer alerted him but if so they kept it under wraps because first I heard of any of this was through him. I suspect it was one of these things I mention here.

Tierney talks of how all the torture and bondage porn found of CB's was similar to Jessica and someone, I forget, etc. Ray talks how V's images are similar. Which is it or is it both?

I also hope CB's torture porn, etc. is images of others and NOT his personal porn and these women are truly in the photos. It would not be unusual for him or an SK to photo such imo...

The reason I wonder where Ray came by it as he'd better be, with what he is saying, pretty certain this is Victoria's. He does say I believe some of the images are ones she liked of what others put up or drew that she saved or liked. Not all I do not think were hers, is that how you understood it?

Now if LE shared it and have it too and said it was V's, then that's pretty solid but they haven't verified any such thing to my knowledge.

It is some very dark stuff, that's for sure, and with what her dad supposedly did, I find it almost impossible to believe it's a coincidence she was into or doing such drawings and so forth... She at LEAST knew what he was doing or his interests or ran into pics or a victim or something and if she knew, then mom most definitely knew. And from there, may or may not have been part of it all...

V's remarks of sex and torture and pain and death or however she put it all being the same are also disturbing. I can't help but at least have the question cross my mind, was she molested by him, abused, or tortured in any way... I mean was CB who clearly hated women somehow the perfect dad, hub and family man at home. Some SKs they claim somewhat were but it's a stretch to believe it... Even Kerry, Rader's daughter refers to abuse. One time she will talk of how normal all was but then she will make references to things like abuse and never quite clear with her sometimes and I've seen and listened to her plenty. Both she and Happy's daughter went silent after being quite vocal and I wonder why... Actually I don't.

I'll also say this, even with Tierney making a point of her being away with the kids and not involved, if there was any questions at all about any of them, he would NOT voice them at this point and would never unless certain imo. He also would likely make her feel she is NOT suspected. While they continue to investigate and it will be CB first UNLESS something so obvious and proof pointed to her or daughter imo.

This case is going to keep on giving and giving and the victims are going to come for years once they are through all the LI ones, then the NY ones, and then other places and so on.
 
I am only talking of his possible known LI victims so far, ie Karen, Peaches and her daughter and the Asian male, possibly Sharron too. Clearly we cannot talk of any unknown ones. That would be for future investigations to determine and I'm sure there will be more, too.
I guessed as much but wanted to be sure and to clarify.
 
Who do you mean by "who"? I am not following your posts on this at all.

I never used the word "who" in the post you quoted. I was saying that if Victoria and her lawyer see it as defamation, then sue the people defaming her. If she did that, it would require a deep dive into her relationship with her family, so I don't see them suing anyone.
 
I never used the word "who" in the post you quoted. I was saying that if Victoria and her lawyer see it as defamation, then sue the people defaming her. If she did that, it would require a deep dive into her relationship with her family, so I don't see them suing anyone.
No you said "you" answering me so I thought that you were talking to me. I said the second "who" in error but you knew what I meant by your answer.

I cannot see how she is being defamed if she posted this s**t. I think it would be classed as fair comment.

Gbear says she possibly liked some of the stuff or made comments or such perhaps but still it is disgusting. I believe he had this type of art at the house or in books that she, her mother and brother have become insensitived too, possibly through familiarity with such.
 
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No you said "you" answering me so I thought that you were talking to me. I said the second "who" in error but you knew what I meant by your answer.

I cannot see how she is being defamed if she posted this s**t. I think it would be classed as fair comment.

Gbear says she possibly liked some of the stuff or made comments or such perhaps but still it is disgusting. I believe he had this type of art at the house or in books that she, her mother and brother have become insensitived too, possibly through familiarity with such.
Or worse.

I am getting confused here, are you saying it is defamatory or it is not? I thought you were saying at first it is and she has a basis for a suit. I have been kind of in the middle on that but seeing the images changes my opinion somewhat and I've also said more in the other thread and so now we have comments split between threads understandably I guess for the gruesome stuff and so on but it can confuse with whee each of us is at in responses.

I think I said it in the other thread on this but I said in part that defamation of character, libel, slander are rarely pursued. Oh yes people have tried and many often threaten it especially if young and naive and so on or these days some of these horsesh*t showboating attorneys may say such to impress their client and stay in a high profile case.

I do know this or it used to be this way, to win at such a lawsuit you'd have to show what was aid could not possibly be true, and that people couldn't take it that way or others wouldn' but you did and sh*t like hat. Freedom of speech and opinion is as we know huge. I will repeat it here because this isn't about the gory pics, etc. I made the example of if someone called you or I a slut and we weren't one ever but there was one time well someone could have taken behavior to be that way or you acted like one well then your case is lost basically. Probably isn't quite as simple as that but you really have to prove the person doesn't think this, have real reason to that you've given, etc. Those pics alone IF from her account well good luck with defamation. Imo. The only place even before I saw those I thought Ray went maybe a bit too far was pretty much including her in the murders and yet he didn't quite say that either. He hinted at that or knowledge but then also said how could anyone live in that house and not have seen and known the darkness or been affected or something like that. Anyone on any day can file any type of suite they like, doesn't mean they will win or there is enough basis. And their life will be inspected to prove they and she are NOT what was said. Did you check out Murdaugh yet tonight and Buster's "lawsuit"?
 
Or worse.

I am getting confused here, are you saying it is defamatory or it is not? I thought you were saying at first it is and she has a basis for a suit. I have been kind of in the middle on that but seeing the images changes my opinion somewhat and I've also said more in the other thread and so now we have comments split between threads understandably I guess for the gruesome stuff and so on but it can confuse with whee each of us is at in responses.

I think I said it in the other thread on this but I said in part that defamation of character, libel, slander are rarely pursued. Oh yes people have tried and many often threaten it especially if young and naive and so on or these days some of these horsesh*t showboating attorneys may say such to impress their client and stay in a high profile case.

I do know this or it used to be this way, to win at such a lawsuit you'd have to show what was aid could not possibly be true, and that people couldn't take it that way or others wouldn' but you did and sh*t like hat. Freedom of speech and opinion is as we know huge. I will repeat it here because this isn't about the gory pics, etc. I made the example of if someone called you or I a slut and we weren't one ever but there was one time well someone could have taken behavior to be that way or you acted like one well then your case is lost basically. Probably isn't quite as simple as that but you really have to prove the person doesn't think this, have real reason to that you've given, etc. Those pics alone IF from her account well good luck with defamation. Imo. The only place even before I saw those I thought Ray went maybe a bit too far was pretty much including her in the murders and yet he didn't quite say that either. He hinted at that or knowledge but then also said how could anyone live in that house and not have seen and known the darkness or been affected or something like that. Anyone on any day can file any type of suite they like, doesn't mean they will win or there is enough basis. And their life will be inspected to prove they and she are NOT what was said. Did you check out Murdaugh yet tonight and Buster's "lawsuit"?
No I said it wasn't defamation but fair comment AFAICS. Sorry if it wasn't clear. She can sue though if she believes it is and there are errors in what has been said.

I was wrong about thinking Vergata was '93. It was Feb '96. This stuff is doing my head in. Didn't see your post on the other thread or the Murdaugh thread so will check them out.
 
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I just reread that after I posted and wasn't very clear in what I tried to portray. I'll try one more and that's that dark Vicky would have to pretty much show that no person would take her drawings, her life, her dad being a serial killer to mean such things and that she couldn't POSSIBLY have been any of the either/ors Ray gave, involved, with knowledge or just even affected... She can't do that or show that as it is what many a person would think knowing the facts and seeing these drawings... And I hate agreeing with emu but yes it would take having to have your life opened up and dissected to prove you weren't that person and that none of your activities or talks or things in life could have anyone thinking you are such a person...
 
No I said it wasn't defamation but fair comment AFAICS. Sorry if it wasn't clear. She can sue though if she believes it is and there are errors in what has been said.

I was wrong about thinking Vergata was '93. It was Feb '96. This stuff is doing my head in.
I thought it was the same year they married and she got pregnant but to be fair when you said '93 that didn't sound wrong to me either... And I never trust a defense attorney and he's the one who asid that recently lol. That they were married in '96 and she dind't live there for the one murder. I know where the apostrophe belongs, ignore my types please. Tiny keyboard, fingers rapid.

They did marry in April though if truth be told and so Feb of 96 they wouldn't have been married yet but she was living there and so that tells us that she was pregnant with V before they married, assuming the story about Vergata is true that is.
 
I thought it was the same year they married and she got pregnant but to be fair when you said '93 that didn't sound wrong to me either... And I never trust a defense attorney and he's the one who asid that recently lol. That they were married in '96 and she dind't live there for the one murder. I know where the apostrophe belongs, ignore my types please. Tiny keyboard, fingers rapid.

They did marry in April though if truth be told and so Feb of 96 they wouldn't have been married yet but she was living there and so that tells us that she was pregnant with V before they married, assuming the story about Vergata is true that is.
Yep you nailed it. She got married Apr '96 you say? So two months after he murdered and chopped up Vergata and disposed of her remains in at least 2 or more different locations. Am I right in thinking that some of Vergata's remains were not found?

OMG it has just occurred to me - do you think missing parts were consumed ?
 
Yep you nailed it. She got married Apr '96 you say? So two months after he murdered and chopped up Vergata and disposed of her remains in at least 2 or more different locations. Am I right in thinking that some of Vergata's remains were not found?

OMG it has just occurred to me - do you think missing parts were consumed ?
I didn't go into depth but googled their marriage date and the first things I was getting were the recent statement by Macedonia, her attorney so I kept looking and found that CNN and one or two others before this recent stuff said they were married in April of '96. Now don't get me wrong, I didn't go read them but they at least weren't from yesterday or recently from Macedonia. I knew she was pregnant the same year as the Vergata claim and so even though I didn't know the marriage date or year, I recall they got married and had V or somewhat there abouts give or take a year s to marriage and having baby. First I knew for sure they were not married throughout her pregnancy. We know V's age but not month as I recall it.

I did know Vergata was around Valentine's Day in the year she was pregnant. I don't know that we've ever known V's birth month?

Anyhow, '96 fits it all but I do have to say when you said '93 you are more up on all of the years and victims and keeping such straight then I am and it sounded familiar too.

So another thing to think on is that CB had divorced once and was in the "family home" with another woman before Asa and HER hair was also found on a victim now... Not saying that's not possible at all but a bit odd. I mean his hair isn't found nearly as much as three different females, one in a totally different year and time frame added up are found on the victims... I'ts a subject for another day but it is strange to me. Not that such could not happen but that more of his too weren't there than theirs... Were they all long haired? None cleaned? All visited the torture basement chamber? I mean he isn't short haired, he has that big front wave, etc...

I just find it peculiar since he was the one with the most contact from getting them, taking them home, torturing them, doing whatever to them and then their bodies and then transporting and disposing of them... Victoria and Asa were one thing as to hairs but now another female some years before. If no one cleaned then why haven't his mother's hairs been found on them?

It's weird to me. Maybe I will go somewhat into it now although I should be in bed as always. It isn't that it is weird their hairs may have been found but it when less of his by far were and three different hairs found of the little we know of for such evidence were more than his and ONE is now not even a member of the family household and was before Asa... Could he have been certain he cleaned all of himself or thought he did per his found plan with notes and guidelines of what to do or not do and the intentionally placed a hair from a female where he knew it would stick for good, etc... ? Not necessarily to frame them but to now have three different people and profiles, etc. LE might find when they found them...? He also coudln't know with some it would take forever for LE to find or that they wouldn' that's been found immediately...

I dotn't even have fully formed thoughts and haven't had time to really think on it but I find this odd.... Again it wouldn't be so odd if his hair was found more and even a ton of different hairs or several from wife, daughter, roommate over various years but again less of his and so on...

Way past where I need to be in bed and not thinking at best but something is wrong there especially with another woman's hair from before Asa on a victim...
 

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