Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

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Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.
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kdg411 said:
Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke refused FBI assistance when the bodies were found in Gilgo Beach.

Long read but great background on the history of LISK.

www.rollingstone.com

Why Hasn't the Long Island Serial Killer Case Been Solved?

Six years since first bodies were found near remote beaches, there's still no trace of a killer.
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His refusing FBI assistance is why I think he was involved with CB somehow.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
His refusing FBI assistance is why I think he was involved with CB somehow.
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I don't know that I think they were involved in CB's murders. I think he had enough to hide himself about being with sex workers and this was about a sex worker. I mean maybe he was even with Gilbert at some point. Hard to say. He was hiding a helluva "private" life but also says in the article he was in trouble I think for a few things and one thing was a relationship with one wasn't it? I read it but would have to go back? I'm not sure about him and murder but who knows... I think the one thing that is sure is he didn't want outside LE like F B I anywhere near his stomping grounds or sex workers or around his office or anywhere near. I don't think he was in office when Gilbert disappeared and he wasn't for the first murders for sure either know we know they date back to the 90s... However, he WAS a cop prior wasn't he...?

Interesting how he was placed in and two others shipped out or demoted, make a choice without warning. It was him wasn't it, or was that a change between another one and them... I think him.

I'd say there was a good possibility he was put in to cover for someone else and be their guy on a string... Not necessarily with this case but for who knows what purposes or all...

I don't disagree he's bad news and was involved in the very same area, using sex workers and swinging both ways also, male and female it seems, just like CB is rumored to have done...
 
Guess Who said:
Often is because they just think they can do it themselves and their pride will refuse the help. They just aren't smart enough to know they aren't smart enough.
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In this case, I don't think though he wanted them anywhere near his office and lifestyle. That long article touched on a lot of the reasons likely to be why including thinking he was about to be investigated himself, etc. at one point. Not as to Gilgo but other things.
 
GrandmaBear said:
So have had no time to get on top of it but been listening to this while trying to get ready and force myself to another long work week. Sigh.

Even though it says it is about CB, it starts out about Read and I am done with that case. I hardly cared to being with and care even less now, I tried but I've never seen a case here so out of whatever, I don't even have the word for it. Delphi comes close at times but nothing like that one where people can't even talk of it or maintain reason imo. So that irritated me but I ignored the Read part and now they are into this case and the John Ray presser. One guest disses him, so did Joe last night I think it was, no yesterday morning, and I never did get time to go back and listen to what the deal really was. This one this morning I am hearing more of what it is about re the daughter. I won't have time again to listen to it all but getting more of an idea of what they deal is. While the; guest somewhat disses Ray and it, some viewers are saying otherwise and that this should be known and so on and giving Ray credit.

I am sorry to say that I don't have a big problem making the leap or wondering what the family knew or even was involved in. I'm not going to jump as I haven't heard all but tell me no one has had a though of the daughter when first seen and she worked with dad and failed to launch. And just LOOK at that house and the size of it. Did she travel with dad back and forth as well?

You know what is creepy as HE77 too is that in THREE cases now former serial killers have played in... Or come in. Or their families or children, etc. It is flat out WEIRD. This one, Kohberger and I am drawing a blank on the third but there is a third. Happy Face, Rader, Rader's daughter, Happy Face's daughter, CB with his SK books and profiler books... WEIRD. Now here we have another daughter....

WTH is going on in this world. Do we have some kind of family SK club online or future SK club? I am half joking but not entirely...

Then they start GFMs for each other and Asa gets a million plus deal and her and the kids profit and sue the city...

The kids and her instantly have their own lawyers. Never seen anything LIKE it.

Again I am not going to get to finish this but it is disturbing and they haven't even shown all of this "childs" images she drew or had.

I already felt Asa knew or was part and wondered about the size of that house and the goings on and the kids...

Not sure, haven't decided and haven't heard all but let's just say this, this sh*t couldn't be shared if it didn't exist and match some of the victims.... I have seen some thinking he might have been using an account in her name or wondering.... And I still don't know what all of it is about but now have an idea anyhow and again I won't likely get to finish it or maybe even get back to it ever. I do have a better idea now.

The one guest says the public and all no we don't have a right to know everything. Well I disagree totally with that remark. Maybe not NOW we don't due to an investigation or some such but in time we damned well should and do. Secrecy brings nothing good to anyone and just breeds suspicion. And much is done in the name of protecting the public etc., b.s. Should we not know by now everythingi they know about the JFK assassination? I know that's a 180 or more for a topic but just saying what secrecy breeds for thoughts, conspiracies and more...

I thought that entire family was weird from the minute I saw them, Asa and Victoiria anyhow. I'm not one to judge on appearance ever but we have to consider they lived with an SK for decades. I will leave the son out of it of course.

And THEN they PROFIT doing a show. And immediately Rader's daughter and Happy Face's were helping and reaching out to them. WEIRD. Was that their first connection...? I really have to wonder.. Then Happy wrote to CB... ANd CB had all these books about SK and plans....

It isn't hard for me to believe this daughter was into something and they all knew each other prior online or some such. This is flat out freaking weird. Has been from the start.

Because of flak, thank goodness, both daughters of the other two SKs went silent after being vocal. These are my thoughts and things noticed from day one. In fact Kerry was vocal on several cases including Kohberger but stepped back.

There is something really wrong here. Really wrong.

Anyhow is starts with REad don't ask me why and then gets into John RAy's presser. I have not finished and have to go.

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I didn't read the posts above this one, so I didn't know about his daughter's drawings. That's creepy.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
I didn't read the posts above this one, so I didn't know about his daughter's drawings. That's creepy.
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Victoria struck me as the type from the start, embracing dark stuff, with her dress and look. All are into gaming and mom into comic books and conventions wasn't it... Not saying all who are into such also do drawings like this BUT it isn't unheard of. I don't think of comic books as dark but there are such... Not that SHE was said to be into them, mom was I believe. I think the entire family is odd, not sure about the son but then you are living with this bunch in a small home for decades...

Yes, it is creepy. And Ray said there were are lot and a lot worse even than the ones he picked to share.

I'm not sure I agree with all Ray said and did or that there was need to go so far. I mean proving something is a bit different than thinking it and feeling you know it. I stand up for him because he is there for victims and witnesses who don't trust the cops and he does so for free but he can be hard to defend sometimes in his choices...
 
GrandmaBear said:
Victoria struck me as the type from the start, embracing dark stuff, with her dress and look. All are into gaming and mom into comic books and conventions wasn't it... Not saying all who are into such also do drawings like this BUT it isn't unheard of. I don't think of comic books as dark but there are such... Not that SHE was said to be into them, mom was I believe. I think the entire family is odd, not sure about the son but then you are living with this bunch in a small home for decades...

Yes, it is creepy. And Ray said there were are lot and a lot worse even than the ones he picked to share.

I'm not sure I agree with all Ray said and did or that there was need to go so far. I mean proving something is a bit different than thinking it and feeling you know it. I stand up for him because he is there for victims and witnesses who don't trust the cops and he does so for free but he can be hard to defend sometimes in his choices...
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GrandmaBear said:
Victoria struck me as the type from the start, embracing dark stuff, with her dress and look. All are into gaming and mom into comic books and conventions wasn't it... Not saying all who are into such also do drawings like this BUT it isn't unheard of. I don't think of comic books as dark but there are such... Not that SHE was said to be into them, mom was I believe. I think the entire family is odd, not sure about the son but then you are living with this bunch in a small home for decades...

Yes, it is creepy. And Ray said there were are lot and a lot worse even than the ones he picked to share.

I'm not sure I agree with all Ray said and did or that there was need to go so far. I mean proving something is a bit different than thinking it and feeling you know it. I stand up for him because he is there for victims and witnesses who don't trust the cops and he does so for free but he can be hard to defend sometimes in his choices...
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He has had a lot of criticism for this PC. Newsday article below covers it.

I don't think he cares about popularity contests LOL. I do think it is relevant for him to mention this dark stuff though. Everything needs to be known and this is all about the background of their family life.

www.newsday.com

Gilgo Beach killings: Daughter, wife of suspect Rex Heuermann not involved in alleged crimes, attorneys say

Lawyers for Rex Heuermann's wife and children called the allegations "defamatory."
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Tresir said:
He has had a lot of criticism for this PC. Newsday article below covers it.

I don't think he cares about popularity contests LOL. I do think it is relevant for him to mention this dark stuff though. Everything needs to be known and this is all about the background of their family life.

www.newsday.com

Gilgo Beach killings: Daughter, wife of suspect Rex Heuermann not involved in alleged crimes, attorneys say

Lawyers for Rex Heuermann's wife and children called the allegations "defamatory."
www.newsday.com
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I agree that the dark stuff needs to be covered and the world needs to not live in denial and ignorance of such if it goes on and is part and parcel here.

I think though that actually accusing or stating some things almost as fact is getting a bit to walking the line if not crossing it. I haven't seen it but have seen some clips and have listened to some of the criticism and coverage. Haven't read your link yet.

I guess I or we should watch it all to know of what we talk, like I said I saw some clips and coverage but not all.

Your remark about not caring about popularity contests is a good one. That nails him entirely and in some ways it makes him stronger imo than those who do concern themselves with such or what people think and that would include some that criticize.

I agree with knowing all but actual accusations or statements as to guilt now that's a bit different... Let's recall how sue happy this family is, Asa's attorney is, etc. NOT that imo they have a leg to stand on should they have to show such things are not true to go a libel or slander route.

I don't think a one of us here have watched it all either. I know I haven't.

Finally, where did he get all this? Did it come from LE filings and info or did it come from some person out there that found and kept copies of all Victoria's stuff posted and contacted him, etc.?

I suspect a lot here including mom. Involvement is one thing, knowledge is another and this went on for decades... Also, Victoria with some of the murders would have been a child.
 
Tresir said:
He has had a lot of criticism for this PC. Newsday article below covers it.

I don't think he cares about popularity contests LOL. I do think it is relevant for him to mention this dark stuff though. Everything needs to be known and this is all about the background of their family life.

www.newsday.com

Gilgo Beach killings: Daughter, wife of suspect Rex Heuermann not involved in alleged crimes, attorneys say

Lawyers for Rex Heuermann's wife and children called the allegations "defamatory."
www.newsday.com
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After saying this is defamatory, explain why. Tell us about the pictures his daughter drew.
 
A good article with detail of what was seized but very graphic, so I won't copy pasta that bit.

WARNING graphic content in article

Link below

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Accused Gilgo Killer Had Chilling 'Blueprint' To Plan Murders: DA

"His intent was to hunt them down. Bring them under his control — and kill them." Rex Heuermann now stands charged in 6 of the Gilgo deaths.
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Discussing digital evidence, the DA said so far, they have combed 15 different cameras, 27 computers, 58 internal hard drives, 22 external hard drives, 46 cell phones, 9 wifi routers, 44 SD microcards, 17 tablets, 42 USB devices, 8 laptops, 50 hotel cards, 36 SIM cards, 646 floppy discs, and more.
"It's a massive amount of data," Tierney said.

"Violent bondage and torture pornography"

Heuermann, Tierney said, had a "significant collection of violent bondage and torture pornography," dating back to the 1990s, with scenarios "similar to the conditions the two latest victims were left in. The pornographic images accessed by Rex Heuermann are consistent with the crime scenes of Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla."
 
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GrandmaBear said:
I agree that the dark stuff needs to be covered and the world needs to not live in denial and ignorance of such if it goes on and is part and parcel here.

I think though that actually accusing or stating some things almost as fact is getting a bit to walking the line if not crossing it. I haven't seen it but have seen some clips and have listened to some of the criticism and coverage. Haven't read your link yet.

I guess I or we should watch it all to know of what we talk, like I said I saw some clips and coverage but not all.

Your remark about not caring about popularity contests is a good one. That nails him entirely and in some ways it makes him stronger imo than those who do concern themselves with such or what people think and that would include some that criticize.

I agree with knowing all but actual accusations or statements as to guilt now that's a bit different... Let's recall how sue happy this family is, Asa's attorney is, etc. NOT that imo they have a leg to stand on should they have to show such things are not true to go a libel or slander route.

I don't think a one of us here have watched it all either. I know I haven't.

Finally, where did he get all this? Did it come from LE filings and info or did it come from some person out there that found and kept copies of all Victoria's stuff posted and contacted him, etc.?

I suspect a lot here including mom. Involvement is one thing, knowledge is another and this went on for decades... Also, Victoria with some of the murders would have been a child.
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He apparently got it from a Tumblr account in the daughter's name that had not been deleted. I am not familiar with Tumblr at all. Is anyone else?
 
So Tierney is saying CB is definitely a suspect in a 7th murder - Valerie Mack. I think this will leave four victims still to be charged - Karen Vergata, Peaches and her toddler and the Asian cross dresser. They are progressing with identification of Peaches, I believe.

This also agrees with what Joe Giacalone anticipated when he mentioned three more victims would be named - those three being Costello, Taylor and Mack.

Karen has got to be the next one named surely?
 
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