Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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I have kept all my mobile phones since my first one in '97 and have kept the same phone number too. I have about 10. Approx one every 3 years. The one I have now has been the one I have had the longest - 6 or 7 years and it is a Samsung Galaxy J6, I think. Hubby has only had about 3 or 4 over the same period and none were smart phones.

Presumably with the 300 odd burners he had 300 separate phone numbers too? :dizzy:
I'd say that would be about the norm. When with my ex, I had all my old ones but he destroyed or took everything we ever owned basically. But I wouldn't have had more than five to seven in my lifetime? I have three here. And probably had no more than two or three in the years prior to that, if that. Also had maybe one or two old computer hard drivers/towers. Gone, he probably landfilled them. I only kept them as they were both work computers and had things on them like photos I didn't want to lose. I worked out of home and was dual use work and personal computer. I had none of my kids old phones or anything like that. My kids were teens before they'd have had phones or late teens even, youngest not sure she even had one til past 18, I got oldest one when a sophomore or junior maybe...? We didn't hit the era at my age they'd had one their entire life. Some were starting to give kids phones before I did but anyhow I had none of my kids old devices around nor ever did. No computers, they never had their own, no cell phones, etc. And again CB is my age and emu's approximately. His kids may be different ages and didn't fly the coop so they may have some from all their adult years. it's an EXTREME amount of devices.

Where did you get 300 burners? I was hearing numbers of things fast and furious and could not keep up but was left with the impression of yes 280 or some such phones IF I recall right or was that total devices? We do know or believe from what LE has said that he got a new burner for every murder. Heck he probably got one routinely just with cheating--I wonder if he ever engaged with sex workers he didn't kill or intend to kill... That's also something that was said on POC by someone they had on previously they were replaying or maybe they had on again, not sure, as I was on other tabs and just listening some of the time and not committed to listening to every moment as I showered and did other things, she said, she would like to know if he ever yes had or was with sex workers he did not kill and what their stories are. What he wanted, what they did, if he performed, if he wanted something more out of the norm, if he was into pain or they were in fear, etc. I am very much paraphrasing. I guess what I'm saying is some burner phones could just be due to cheating. Let me tell you wives of cheaters run into this stuff too, not to that extent, one hidden one usually does it... And she said something like that too, and some was about how Asa had to know or did she and that she definitely had to see signs of something secretive, maybe not allowed in the basement, caught a sex worker thing or two, or wondered, maybe just thought cheating... And so on, and again I am very much paraphrasing...

But yes 300 burners could be several hundred murders...? OR are they due to hiding other things and/or could some have been the kids, etc. just buy them a cheap throwaway...
 
Or maybe Delphi is just better at keeping things quiet... As it should be.
yeah there's that too. agree. and this is NY with a huge task force and an SK case for goodness sakes and even then we have not heard 90 percent of it, I will guarantee it, of what they have and is still coming in and we won't. there's definitely wanting the praise from having cracked it and made an arrest and so on and been egg on the face and politics for decades and a corrupt administration. it is apples to oranges. If you are going to charge a long sought (but was he, Burke didn't care) SK, you are going to give at least something like a hair and matching DNA and even in this one most match to females in his life, NOT him. Wife, daughter and a gf before wife, or some female in his life beforehand anyhow. Heck could be his mom or sister as it isn't clear and they do not share all in this case EITHER.
 
Yeah we are well aware of what you think. I disagree. All I see is sheer panic both from RA and the defense. That tells me plenty. They need absolutely everything basically not allowed in because of what they have, it's very obvious.

I'm listening to Tom right now and tons of other people who know the PCA never tells all and right this moment are saying as much. He is also talking of people who think what they see is all there is, you know, people like you, who apparently have never paid much attention when seeing a case through to trial and if you don't know that, nor have our ever listened to attorneys, etc. tell us all as much, that they keep things to selves in an investigation.

The defense exhibits sheer and panicked desperation and clearly there are reasons for it.

I'll stick to listening to a voice of sanity. He also just said what he thinks of anyone who thinks this is RL and that a 77 year old man did this and how that is not his voice. If you watched it, you'd block that part out I'm sure and never hear it.

I am talking Delphi right now of course and not LISK.

Don't bother telling me the same things over and over any longer nor asking what you've already asked.

Imo you have no concern for RA whatsoever, your thing is the desire for it to be RL and be right because you have blindersit isn't about RA being railroaded at all. Imo.

As far as this case, there are tons of things we don't know that they do. No different. They tell us based on what they know they have used in the PCA, ec. and that will come out anyhow. And they only do so then with absolutely nothing in between and mum's the word. Same thing.

Tell me what they found in the basement and what test results were? Did they find the place on the ceiling he was suspending victims? Yeah, I didn't think you knew. No one does.
Can I answer the pushpin question if Emu doesn't LOL ?
 
Can I answer the pushpin question if Emu doesn't LOL ?
I wrote that many hours ago. Do you mean the ceiling thing? Do we know the answer? It would take more than a pushpin to suspend a body or am I forgetting something else I asked? I recall hearing pushpin in this case I think but can't put it together... Help me out? I'm just winding down and just got in here, I started on Read and decided to quit with finishing it not because anything was wrong, just because it isn't a main case to me and I hadn't had time to look at the ones that are more my interest and I haven't finished Tom yet either and probably won't get to it tonight and you KNOW I like to watch TOM! Haven't even touched it tonight and wanted to and should have went there first, and he had some interesting stuff so far (not done) like that the prosecution has had a DNA expert already lined up... Defense sh*t is shared here but prosecution sh*t often isn't. That's why I watch him. I don't have time to go look for it all, you either, I mean we knew of Gull's response to the disqualification and read it.

Anyhow, yes you can answer the pushpin thing! What was the pushpin thing again? I am sure it relates to the ceiling doesn't it, I just can't recall...
 
I agree. 10 minimum just based on the known ones in Long Island.
yes there are going to be others in different cities and states imo. we already know the pattern of Asa being gone when he did such and I think when he couldn't have her gone, he had the excuse of traveling for work, going to see mom, etc.... So then she was home and he left...

BUT I still want to know the truth of the Vergata story because that places her at HOME when Karen was chased around outside and more...

And I still dont' see how Tierney can act like they know WHEN most of these women were killed, especially with his notes about more play time and now knowing he tortured and brought them home, allegedly and most likely... I think he also used a different MO when elsewhere.

Something else I forgot to mention, did you hear the details of his model of vehicle/truck? It is one of the only ones that you can enter the pickup bed from the inside... This brings many thoughts...
 
I wrote that many hours ago. Do you mean the ceiling thing? Do we know the answer? It would take more than a pushpin to suspend a body or am I forgetting something else I asked? I recall hearing pushpin in this case I think but can't put it together... Help me out? I'm just winding down and just got in here, I started on Read and decided to quit with finishing it not because anything was wrong, just because it isn't a main case to me and I hadn't had time to look at the ones that are more my interest and I haven't finished Tom yet either and probably won't get to it tonight and you KNOW I like to watch TOM! Haven't even touched it tonight and wanted to and should have went there first, and he had some interesting stuff so far (not done) like that the prosecution has had a DNA expert already lined up... Defense sh*t is shared here but prosecution sh*t often isn't. That's why I watch him. I don't have time to go look for it all, you either, I mean we knew of Gull's response to the disqualification and read it.

Anyhow, yes you can answer the pushpin thing! What was the pushpin thing again? I am sure it relates to the ceiling doesn't it, I just can't recall...
The pushpins were to suspend the sheets, I believe, weren't they? I remember partly reading how victims were dealt with so can only imagine about that. I didnt read everything as it was gory.
 
The pushpins were to suspend the sheets, I believe, weren't they? I remember partly reading how victims were dealt with so can only imagine about that. I didnt read everything as it was gory.
I thought it was to hang plastic so he wouldn't use tape to leave more evidence like fingerprints, DNA, fibers, etc. A push pin wouldn't leave those or bev attached to the plastic sheeting when disposing of it.
 
I thought it was to hang plastic so he wouldn't use tape to leave more evidence like fingerprints, DNA, fibers, etc. A push pin wouldn't leave those or bev attached to the plastic sheeting when disposing of it.
Yes plastic sheets is what I meant. Didn't he have a rope and pulley for the victims? I think I read something in there about needing a heavy type of rope as a thinner rope breaks.

Disgusting POS.
 
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I wrote that many hours ago. Do you mean the ceiling thing? Do we know the answer? It would take more than a pushpin to suspend a body or am I forgetting something else I asked? I recall hearing pushpin in this case I think but can't put it together... Help me out? I'm just winding down and just got in here, I started on Read and decided to quit with finishing it not because anything was wrong, just because it isn't a main case to me and I hadn't had time to look at the ones that are more my interest and I haven't finished Tom yet either and probably won't get to it tonight and you KNOW I like to watch TOM! Haven't even touched it tonight and wanted to and should have went there first, and he had some interesting stuff so far (not done) like that the prosecution has had a DNA expert already lined up... Defense sh*t is shared here but prosecution sh*t often isn't. That's why I watch him. I don't have time to go look for it all, you either, I mean we knew of Gull's response to the disqualification and read it.

Anyhow, yes you can answer the pushpin thing! What was the pushpin thing again? I am sure it relates to the ceiling doesn't it, I just can't recall...

The pushpins were to suspend the sheets, I believe, weren't they? I remember partly reading how victims were dealt with so can only imagine about that. I didnt read everything as it was gory.

The pushpin thing is the same thing Dexter did. They think he stole that idea from Dexter.
 
The pushpins were to suspend the sheets, I believe, weren't they? I remember partly reading how victims were dealt with so can only imagine about that. I didnt read everything as it was gory.
That sounds right. I remember someone saying, probably a show I was watching, that the sheets were to keep blood contained or at least more contained, etc. OR his master plan said as much...

It is gory and horrible. These women had to have went through fear beyond what one can take and pain, I don't like thinking about it either. Even worse for the families I'm sure who would probably rather not know some of those facts.
 
Yes plastic sheets is what I meant. Didn't he have a rope and pulley for the victims? I think I read something in there about needing a heavy type of rope as a thinner rope breaks.

Disgusting POS.
Yes. He was stringing them up. He gets off on the fear and pain he causes them. Sadist. Evil to the core. Makes his weak child self feel powerful and that HE holds life and death in his hands. I
The pushpin thing is the same thing Dexter did. They think he stole that idea from Dexter.
Never watched Dexter. I have heard of it. Fill me in if you feel like it.
 
Yes. He was stringing them up. He gets off on the fear and pain he causes them. Sadist. Evil to the core. Makes his weak child self feel powerful and that HE holds life and death in his hands. I

Never watched Dexter. I have heard of it. Fill me in if you feel like it.

I've only seen a few episodes. It was mentioned in one of the articles about it.
 
I just came across this link which has the 32 page indictment in it from his arrest and it goes into detail how they caught and tracked him. It has probably been posted a long way back but here it is anyway in the second paragraph below.




LISK ARRESTED

Burner Phones, DNA, and ‘Ogre’ Description Led Investigators to Long Island Serial Killer​

Suffolk County District Attorney's Office outlines mountain of evidence against LISK suspect Rex Heuermann
BY DANIEL KREPS
JULY 14, 2023
Personnel cordon-off the area after a suspect arrested in Gilgo Beach serial killings In Massapequa Park, Long Island, New York on July 14, 2023. Massive police presence on First Avenue and Michigan Avenue as police apprehend the suspect involved in the Gilgo Beach serial killings.

Personnel cordon off the area after a suspect arrested in Gilgo Beach serial killings In Massapequa Park, Long Island, New York on July 14, 2023. Massive police presence on First Avenue and Michigan Avenue as police apprehend the suspect involved in the Gilgo Beach serial killings. KYLE MAZZA/ANADOLU AGENCY VIA GETTY IMAGES


THE SUFFOLK COUNTY District Attorney’s Office has revealed the mountain of evidence it had gathered against Long Island Serial Killer (LISK) suspect Rex Heuermann, who was arrested and formally charged with three counts of both first- and second-degree murder in connection to three of four women whose remains were found along Gilgo Beach over a decade ago.

In a 32-page document detailing the case against Heuermann and arguing for why he should be held without bail, prosecutors shared that computer forensic evidence and cellphone data, as well as the discovery of DNA found on three of the victims that was ultimately matched that to either Heuermann or his wife led to his arrest.

“Based on the serious, heinous nature of these serial murders, the planning and forethought that went into these crimes, the strength of the People’s case, the length of incarceration the defendant faces upon conviction, the extended period of time that this Defendant was able to avoid apprehension, his recent searches for sadistic materials, child pornography, images of the victims and their relatives, counter-surveillance, conducted online as to the criminal investigation, his use of fictitious names, burner email and cellphone accounts, and his access to and history of possessing firearms, the only means to ensure Defendant Rex A. Heuermann’s return to courts to remand him without bail,” prosecutors wrote in the documents obtained by Rolling Stone.


At least 10 bodies were recovered from the desolate stretch of Gilgo Beach along Long Island’s southern coast beginning in Dec. 2010, but the investigation has largely focused on the four women since dubbed “The Gilgo Four,” as the similarities between their murders have long suggested they were all killed by the same person.

The remains of Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello, all four of whom were sex workers who advertised their services online at the time of their death, were each found wrapped in camouflage-style burlap near one another.

More at link.
 
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Another good local link. And this mentions 350 devices which includes hard drives. 6 victims out of 11 are now attributed to Heuermann. Linked by DNA.


The Gilgo Beach killings suspect is charged with two more murders. Here's what to know​

By Emma Bowman
Published June 7, 2024 at 4:56 AM MDT

Seth Wenig AP
Surrounded by law enforcement, victims' families, attorneys and others, Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney pauses during a news conference in Riverhead, N.Y., on Thursday.

The man accused of killing multiple women and dumping their remains on a Long Island, N.Y., beach has been charged with two more murders.
Rex Heuermann, a 60-year-old architect, appeared in court Thursday for his arraignment in the deaths of Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla, two young women who police believe were the victims of men targeting sex workers.
Heuermann has already been charged in the murders of four other women, known as the “Gilgo Four,” whose remains were found within the same quarter-mile stretch on Gilgo Beach in 2010.

It’s been almost a year since his arrest marked a breakthrough in a decade-long investigation into a series of disappearances that grabbed national attention and inspired the 2020 Netflix film Lost Girls.

Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to all murder charges. He was ordered to be held behind bars without bail and is due to return to court on July 30.
Here’s what else to know about the case.

The suspect has been charged with murdering six women​


Between 2010 and 2011, police uncovered the remains of 11 people found near Gilgo Beach between Nassau and Suffolk counties on Long Island. Most of them were sex workers who were killed as early as 1996, according to Suffolk County Police. Investigators have long suspected a serial killer was responsible, but have also said that the victims were unlikely murdered by the same killer.

The dead include Jessica Taylor, Valerie Mack, Shannan Gilbert, Amber Lynn Costello, Megan Waterman, Melissa Barthelemy and Maureen Brainard-Barnes, all in their 20s.

Police said they were unable to determine the cause of death for Gilbert — whose disappearance led to the discovery of the string of slayings — but said her death was likely accidental, a conclusion her family disputed.
In July 2023, a major break in the case came with the arrest of Heuermann.
He was then charged in the killings of three of the so-called Gilgo Four women: Barthelemy, 24, Waterman, 22, and Costello, 27. He was charged with killing the fourth, Brainard-Barnes, this January.

Cell phone location data and DNA samples found on the remains initially tied him to the four women.

Since his arrest, several pieces of evidence have pointed to Heuermann as the suspect.

He lived in Massapequa Park, where a few of the victims were last seen.
A witness described seeing a victim, Costello, driven by a man in a Chevrolet Avalanche. It was later discovered that Heuermann owned a Chevrolet Avalanche.

Subpoenas and search warrants linked Heuermann to multiple burner cellphones used to contact victims. An email associated with Heuermann's suspected burner cellphones was repeatedly used to conduct "thousands of searches" related to "sex workers, sadistic, torture-related pornography and child pornography," according to court records.

New charges suggest the serial killings began earlier than previously thought​


The new murder charge against Heuermann for the 1993 death of Costilla makes her the earliest known victim in the string of murders and suggests the architect allegedly began killing 30 years ago — earlier than police previously thought.

In November 1993, the remains of Costilla, 28, were found by hunters in a wooded area of Southampton, N.Y., according to a recent court filing.
Taylor, another victim, disappeared in July 2003. Her remains were discovered that year and in 2011, in two separate locations. In 2003, a dog walker found her body decapitated and arms severed in a wooded area of Manorville, about 40 miles from Heuermann’s home. In 2011, her skull, hands and forearm were recovered less than a mile from where the Gilgo Four were found.

In both cases, male hairs found on the remains of both Costilla and Taylor were tested and found to be a likely DNA match to Heuermann, prosecutors said.

The suspect allegedly kept a planning document to “blueprint” his killings​


The recovery of data on hard drives and other devices revealed that Heuermann had a “significant collection of violent, bondage, and torture pornography" dating back to 1994, according to court documents filed this week.

The collection depicts “pornographic images that are consistent with the crime scenes of both Sandra Costilla and Jessica Taylor,” Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney said at a press briefing on Thursday.
Prosecutors also announced the recent discovery of a suspected planning document Heuermann used to “methodically blueprint” his killings. The Microsoft Word document, which Heuermann allegedly tried to delete, was recovered in March on a hard drive found in the architect’s basement. It was one of more than 350 devices investigators retrieved during searches of his home.

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Not sure if this has been posted. Just putting the link here and the graphic text is in the other thread.

I'm no CNN fan but this was a pretty good article.

You know, I don't know where I read it but here in some link or somewhere since these new charges, that it has never been said or claimed Costillo was a sex workers. I find that interesting and against his norm and I wonder how they encountered each other if she was not. Or how she piqued the interest as prey of this savage.
 
Another good local link. And this mentions 350 devices which includes hard drives. 6 victims out of 11 are now attributed to Heuermann. Linked by DNA.


The Gilgo Beach killings suspect is charged with two more murders. Here's what to know​

NPR

By Emma Bowman
Published June 7, 2024 at 4:56 AM MDT
Surrounded by law enforcement, victims' families, attorneys and others, Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney pauses during a news conference in Riverhead, N.Y., on Thursday.' families, attorneys and others, Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney pauses during a news conference in Riverhead, N.Y., on Thursday.

Seth Wenig
/
AP
Surrounded by law enforcement, victims' families, attorneys and others, Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney pauses during a news conference in Riverhead, N.Y., on Thursday.
The man accused of killing multiple women and dumping their remains on a Long Island, N.Y., beach has been charged with two more murders.
Rex Heuermann, a 60-year-old architect, appeared in court Thursday for his arraignment in the deaths of Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla, two young women who police believe were the victims of men targeting sex workers.
Heuermann has already been charged in the murders of four other women, known as the “Gilgo Four,” whose remains were found within the same quarter-mile stretch on Gilgo Beach in 2010.
It’s been almost a year since his arrest marked a breakthrough in a decade-long investigation into a series of disappearances that grabbed national attention and inspired the 2020 Netflix film Lost Girls.
Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to all murder charges. He was ordered to be held behind bars without bail and is due to return to court on July 30.
Here’s what else to know about the case.

The suspect has been charged with murdering six women​


Between 2010 and 2011, police uncovered the remains of 11 people found near Gilgo Beach between Nassau and Suffolk counties on Long Island. Most of them were sex workers who were killed as early as 1996, according to Suffolk County Police. Investigators have long suspected a serial killer was responsible, but have also said that the victims were unlikely murdered by the same killer.
The dead include Jessica Taylor, Valerie Mack, Shannan Gilbert, Amber Lynn Costello, Megan Waterman, Melissa Barthelemy and Maureen Brainard-Barnes, all in their 20s.
Police said they were unable to determine the cause of death for Gilbert — whose disappearance led to the discovery of the string of slayings — but said her death was likely accidental, a conclusion her family disputed.
In July 2023, a major break in the case came with the arrest of Heuermann.
He was then charged in the killings of three of the so-called Gilgo Four women: Barthelemy, 24, Waterman, 22, and Costello, 27. He was charged with killing the fourth, Brainard-Barnes, this January.
Cell phone location data and DNA samples found on the remains initially tied him to the four women.
Since his arrest, several pieces of evidence have pointed to Heuermann as the suspect.
He lived in Massapequa Park, where a few of the victims were last seen.
A witness described seeing a victim, Costello, driven by a man in a Chevrolet Avalanche. It was later discovered that Heuermann owned a Chevrolet Avalanche.
Subpoenas and search warrants linked Heuermann to multiple burner cellphones used to contact victims. An email associated with Heuermann's suspected burner cellphones was repeatedly used to conduct "thousands of searches" related to "sex workers, sadistic, torture-related pornography and child pornography," according to court records.

New charges suggest the serial killings began earlier than previously thought​


The new murder charge against Heuermann for the 1993 death of Costilla makes her the earliest known victim in the string of murders and suggests the architect allegedly began killing 30 years ago — earlier than police previously thought.
In November 1993, the remains of Costilla, 28, were found by hunters in a wooded area of Southampton, N.Y., according to a recent court filing.
Taylor, another victim, disappeared in July 2003. Her remains were discovered that year and in 2011, in two separate locations. In 2003, a dog walker found her body decapitated and arms severed in a wooded area of Manorville, about 40 miles from Heuermann’s home. In 2011, her skull, hands and forearm were recovered less than a mile from where the Gilgo Four were found.
In both cases, male hairs found on the remains of both Costilla and Taylor were tested and found to be a likely DNA match to Heuermann, prosecutors said.

The suspect allegedly kept a planning document to “blueprint” his killings​


The recovery of data on hard drives and other devices revealed that Heuermann had a “significant collection of violent, bondage, and torture pornography" dating back to 1994, according to court documents filed this week.
The collection depicts “pornographic images that are consistent with the crime scenes of both Sandra Costilla and Jessica Taylor,” Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney said at a press briefing on Thursday.
Prosecutors also announced the recent discovery of a suspected planning document Heuermann used to “methodically blueprint” his killings. The Microsoft Word document, which Heuermann allegedly tried to delete, was recovered in March on a hard drive found in the architect’s basement. It was one of more than 350 devices investigators retrieved during searches of his home.

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there is actually a document or transcript that lists the number of each item. that's what Joe was reading from the day of this hearing. I started to bounce back and forth and report it here but couldn't keep up. it is in joe's show from this day. he was reading it all new to him. new to us. but again I coudln't switch back and forth fast enough or keep up/track.

Anyhow yeah I'd say a significant number even for a hoarder and a family of four that is my age. if I kept everything my kids and I ever owned it would never approach that number. it would probably get to 100 POSSIBLY. Not even sure of that though.
 
I'm no CNN fan but this was a pretty good article.

You know, I don't know where I read it but here in some link or somewhere since these new charges, that it has never been said or claimed Costillo was a sex workers. I find that interesting and against his norm and I wonder how they encountered each other if she was not. Or how she piqued the interest as prey of this savage.
Also, the killer's vehicle was seen and reported as a Chevy avalanche back in 1993 so why didnt that get followed up at the time? From the link I posted upthread

"A witness described seeing a victim, Costello, driven by a man in a Chevrolet Avalanche. It was later discovered that Heuermann owned a Chevrolet Avalanche."
 
Also, the killer's vehicle was seen and reported as a Chevy avalanche back in 1993 so why didnt that get followed up at the time? From the link I posted upthread

"A witness described seeing a victim, Costello, driven by a man in a Chevrolet Avalanche. It was later discovered that Heuermann owned a Chevrolet Avalanche."

I think the Sheriff who was in charge back then is the answer as to why it shouldn't be followed up on.
 

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