Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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As a tech family here, that is not a shocking amount to me because "electronic devices" is so broad AND he was a hoarder so he probably had all the electronic devices his entire family has ever had. With that broad of a description, one would find a LOT in my house right now and I do toss things.
I think it is but then I'm older than you. I could have every phone and computer I ever had and my kids and hub and I dont' think they would total 50 possibly, maybe less, maybe a few more. But then internet and phones only started becoming a thing as my kids were probably teens and of course they didn't live with me once adults so I wouldn't have any of theirs after those years.

And he's MY age. I think it's a LOT but on the other hand, his daughter failed to launch it seems or at least returned home and the son has always lived with them I'm sure. It's still a lot and we know a ton of them were the burner phones I imagine or so it sounded and that's not normal for anyone other than maybe a cheater, drug dealer or killer. Imo.
 
There are more than 10 "electronic devices" in my plain view right now at my computer area without me even having to move around.
I'm not counting things like routers, printers and so on. Considering that, I have four. And old computer, the current one and two phones. And in most years it would have been two. I have a Kindle kicking around in a drawer someone and one other old laptop and that's for the last how many years. Oh and there's maybe one old phone in a drawer. So let's even make it six. Family of four times equals 24. And again these things would not have been had or common for fair number of years of his life.

And I don't know who is right, seems to me Tresir heard 300 phones and THAT is unusual and we know he got a new phone for each murder or so they say.
 
"Electronic devices" are kinda our thing here so we have a LOT. I would have to see what their definition of "electronic devices" was to see if they have any parameters on what they are calling "electronic devices". That would bring down the number, possibly. My kids and grands have some of their devices that stay here, too. It's kind of their thing, too. The little's can already solder and some diagnosing themselves.
 
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Do we know a case for that ever happened? I know that they have been charged for committing a crime of perjury, but I don’t remember a complete mistrial.

In John Gotti's first trial, they had paid someone on the jury. Persuasive person too. He must have convinced the other's about Gotti's innocence.

After it was discovered, they couldn't re-try him for the same crimes. The jury had rendered its verdict.
 
"Electronic devices" are kinda our thing here so we have a LOT. I would have to see what their definition of "electronic devices" was to see if they have any parameters on what they are calling "electronic devices". That would bring down the number, possibly. My kids and grands have some of their devices that stay here, too. It's kind of their thing, too. The little's can already solder and some diagnosing themselves.
Yeah, it would take being clear on what kinds of devices they mean. They did specify a lot of things but not sure where to find that, was it in the presser I think? I heard it and was reporting here but couldn't keep up. Or it was from the court hearing as it was reported. I know I was watching Joe I think and he was relaying it so it was filing or something someone provided from the hearing and NOT the presser. I remember a large number of DVDs or CDs I think and I don't mean movies. A ton of cell phones. I recall many hard drives. I started to list them as I heard them somewhere up above but could't keep up myself even and going back and forth as then it was over. Even for a hoarder, even for games and even for a family of four, the numbers were a LOT. Also as I said he's my age and tech wasn't the thing it became for a portion of our adulthood or was JUST starting and it was light years before most came to it...

He hoards, plans and seems to keep everything and SOOOO I think it is safe to at least speculate they found a lot of the burner phones...He deleted that document but nowhere near well enough nor followed through. And so I guess we already know things were found on at least that device and probably a whole lot more. We know they knew of many of his searches for awful things sex related to children, sadism and more. Emu thinks they are sharing all evidence in these murders and they haven't even come CLOSE to sharing what they've found imo nor will continue to find. We are being given what they decide to give us only and that's it and the other reason we know some is because this one doesn't have all sealed so when something is filed or said in court, it is known.
 
In John Gotti's first trial, they had paid someone on the jury. Persuasive person too. He must have convinced the other's about Gotti's innocence.

After it was discovered, they couldn't re-try him for the same crimes. The jury had rendered its verdict.
Don't know anything about this or recall anyhow but the crime of paying a juror and tampering with a court trial or whatever the charges would be would be chargeable and so would the juror have charged that could be brought.

The other part doesn't seem right. Sounds to me like there may have been more bribes than just to a juror...
 
Yeah, it would take being clear on what kinds of devices they mean. They did specify a lot of things but not sure where to find that, was it in the presser I think? I heard it and was reporting here but couldn't keep up. Or it was from the court hearing as it was reported. I know I was watching Joe I think and he was relaying it so it was filing or something someone provided from the hearing and NOT the presser. I remember a large number of DVDs or CDs I think and I don't mean movies. A ton of cell phones. I recall many hard drives. I started to list them as I heard them somewhere up above but could't keep up myself even and going back and forth as then it was over. Even for a hoarder, even for games and even for a family of four, the numbers were a LOT. Also as I said he's my age and tech wasn't the thing it became for a portion of our adulthood or was JUST starting and it was light years before most came to it...

He hoards, plans and seems to keep everything and SOOOO I think it is safe to at least speculate they found a lot of the burner phones...He deleted that document but nowhere near well enough nor followed through. And so I guess we already know things were found on at least that device and probably a whole lot more. We know they knew of many of his searches for awful things sex related to children, sadism and more. Emu thinks they are sharing all evidence in these murders and they haven't even come CLOSE to sharing what they've found imo nor will continue to find. We are being given what they decide to give us only and that's it and the other reason we know some is because this one doesn't have all sealed so when something is filed or said in court, it is known.

They're handing out a :poop: load more than Delphi is. It makes me think Delphi doesn't have much.
 
Don't know anything about this or recall anyhow but the crime of paying a juror and tampering with a court trial or whatever the charges would be would be chargeable and so would the juror have charged that could be brought.

The other part doesn't seem right. Sounds to me like there may have been more bribes than just to a juror...

The juror was charged. They didn't recharge Gotti on that particular case again, IIRC. I may be wrong about that. :thinking:

What's interesting is the next trial, they went out of their way to make sure the jury couldn't be reached by the mob. They never thought that a juror would reach out to the mob. He, too, was arrested. That's how Gotti got the Teflon Don moniker.
 
As a tech family here, that is not a shocking amount to me because "electronic devices" is so broad AND he was a hoarder so he probably had all the electronic devices his entire family has ever had. With that broad of a description, one would find a LOT in my house right now and I do toss things.
As a comparison, they seized only 15 electronic devices in the Delphi search warrant.
 
I'm not counting things like routers, printers and so on. Considering that, I have four. And old computer, the current one and two phones. And in most years it would have been two. I have a Kindle kicking around in a drawer someone and one other old laptop and that's for the last how many years. Oh and there's maybe one old phone in a drawer. So let's even make it six. Family of four times equals 24. And again these things would not have been had or common for fair number of years of his life.

And I don't know who is right, seems to me Tresir heard 300 phones and THAT is unusual and we know he got a new phone for each murder or so they say.
I have kept all my mobile phones since my first one in '97 and have kept the same phone number too. I have about 10. Approx one every 3 years. The one I have now has been the one I have had the longest - 6 or 7 years and it is a Samsung Galaxy J6, I think. Hubby has only had about 3 or 4 over the same period and none were smart phones.

Presumably with the 300 odd burners he had 300 separate phone numbers too? :dizzy:
 
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They're handing out a :poop: load more than Delphi is. It makes me think Delphi doesn't have much.
Yeah we are well aware of what you think. I disagree. All I see is sheer panic both from RA and the defense. That tells me plenty. They need absolutely everything basically not allowed in because of what they have, it's very obvious.

I'm listening to Tom right now and tons of other people who know the PCA never tells all and right this moment are saying as much. He is also talking of people who think what they see is all there is, you know, people like you, who apparently have never paid much attention when seeing a case through to trial and if you don't know that, nor have our ever listened to attorneys, etc. tell us all as much, that they keep things to selves in an investigation.

The defense exhibits sheer and panicked desperation and clearly there are reasons for it.

I'll stick to listening to a voice of sanity. He also just said what he thinks of anyone who thinks this is RL and that a 77 year old man did this and how that is not his voice. If you watched it, you'd block that part out I'm sure and never hear it.

I am talking Delphi right now of course and not LISK.

Don't bother telling me the same things over and over any longer nor asking what you've already asked.

Imo you have no concern for RA whatsoever, your thing is the desire for it to be RL and be right because you have blindersit isn't about RA being railroaded at all. Imo.

As far as this case, there are tons of things we don't know that they do. No different. They tell us based on what they know they have used in the PCA, ec. and that will come out anyhow. And they only do so then with absolutely nothing in between and mum's the word. Same thing.

Tell me what they found in the basement and what test results were? Did they find the place on the ceiling he was suspending victims? Yeah, I didn't think you knew. No one does.
 
The juror was charged. They didn't recharge Gotti on that particular case again, IIRC. I may be wrong about that. :thinking:

What's interesting is the next trial, they went out of their way to make sure the jury couldn't be reached by the mob. They never thought that a juror would reach out to the mob. He, too, was arrested. That's how Gotti got the Teflon Don moniker.
So you told us it was the case and now you're not sure?

For some reason, I recall the part about ensuring the next time the jury couldn't be reached by the mob but don't recall the first time as well, I couldn't have recalled if a juror was threatened, bribed or they reached out as you say. Unless next post you are going to say now you're not sure about that either after saying it lol.

Juror was charged, what did he get, a slap on the pinky? Or serious time for what is very serious sh*t in my opinion.
 
As a comparison, they seized only 15 electronic devices in the Delphi search warrant.
Good point. And that's a family of three. And I'd say say most people including us would have the certain types of tech going back around the same number of years IF we kept things from year one of starting with first computers, later cell phones, etc. At least that's how it went for me. I had a computer and internet a few years before a cell phone, etc.

Rick may have been smarter and gotten rid of sh*t too, but doesn't sound like it necessarily. Hard to say. But that's very few electronic devices versus here in this case or that's not very few, that would be in the ballpark of what I would have and in this one, it's extremely excessive...

Listened halfway to some Police Off the Cuff last night and he pointed out several things in the planning document. I've seen it more than once but haven't overly thought it out or dwelled on each thing but yeah, the suspending the victims would have a hook or at least spot left perhaps in his ceiling for one and this man fixed nothing, got rid of nothing it seems. I think they have TONS of evidence here and they are and will still be going through it for some time to come. We don't know the half of it.

Then it would SEEM we now know he DID take them home and he probably dismembered them there too. There has to be blood in that basement imo.

He played a Tierney talking to Cuomo. When asked about Asa, Tierney said it's (paraphrasing) pretty clear she wasn't home at the time all the victims charged (think he said all) both disappeared and at the time of their murders. I still beg to differ that they can know the times of the murders. Or CAN they....? I don't see how.... GPS maybe and dump sites? Any ideas?

In his document he had things about do this or that and you'll get more play time. That tells of a serial killer as they often are who want that fantasy and that time and often get mad when they have to end it before they can accomplish that or their own failures have them doing so... He is suspending victims and wants play time. This tells of torture and the fact they weren't killed right away or the intent was to not kill them right away. And then he had to take the time to dismember. And then the two different dump sites reconned and taken to them with different parts, etc. These are my thoughts now and I haven't had time to really think on it all and still haven't but some is coming now...

Back to POC, he had other good points from the new info but I was only half listening and was catching up on posts and bills and other things. I wanted to go back and hear where he went with them but just no time to do that and probably won't get any time. I'm sure dwelling on and talking of the new info myself if I get time or all of us talking thoughts on it if we get time will result in realizing just how much more this shows. Already just the fact we now know he was active in 1993 and is responsible for one they thought Bitroff likely did opens up a LOT of things.

Oh and stupid Macedonia spoke yet again for Asa who still just can't believe he did this and Bill had no patience with that whatsoever and said yeah right, basically, and get real and shut up you know better and at this point that's stupid. I am most definitely paraphrasing. And mentioned her seven figure deal as well. And how you can't make this sh*t up.

So I heard off and on some of it lol.

Then I found Tom had done a show and went to that. Is one of those turn around night to morning shifts. Done late, back at 9 this morning, not 7 or earlier a leas but still little time night or morning and little sleep. Finished my Chinese last night, OMG was it good. This place by my daughter's I haven't had since preCovid I think, we weren't even sure it was still open and then maybe she found it was, no idea, but we don't get much time with my schedule and it IS. My mom and eldest sister are coming up in a few weeks and we are definitely taking them there for sit down lunch, both love Chinese and that place has always been top notch above some. I have four days off in a row by taking one vacation day, not that I will get anything done because it's company coming or get tested lol but looking forward to it. We are doing the flea market as my sister has meant to come to this one and never had, my mom has been with us, and my daughter sells there. Then are going to do lunch and some shopping. Then dinner and cards. And breakfast before they leave the next morning. They won't be here for every day of my days off, I will have my usual two before they get here. They are just staying one night over although my mom will be staying at my sister's for a night before they head here as she is like halfway in between.

I haven't finished Tom yet, which is Delphi I will point out since I am in LISK saying this. The comments in chat last night, and I have not finished has a pulse imo on that case for MOST viewers of fed up with the defense, totally sick of it all, and seeing it for what I and I think most of us think. For the part of what I have seen, very good points in chat. of course there are a few that feel the other way. His covering of docs this time was covering Gull's response to the disqualification motion for the most part, which I'd already read and you had but was a good refresher, and thoughts on it.

People are so sick of the defense in this case, most of them, and have had it with it all. Most. Yep. And they point it all out for what it is and how clear it is. And this is simply chat part. And for me it shows and confirms most see it for what it is once defense was stopped with help from SM flooding with a bunch of b.s. that was made to seem to be something it isn't with intentional leaks and stories. And let's not forget, a suicide.

Anyhow this case is going to keep on giving as more victims come no doubt. I think such will continue for years if not decades as it does with most prolific SKs and maybe even beyond our time and his. They haven't touched the tip of the iceberg yet imo.

These women went through I don't want to think about too much but the worst and fear to no end and very bad endings. And that can't help but lead me to the thoughts of Vergata. And that claimed version of events and whether true or not. When this first came about, many out there or at least some did not think he brought the victims home necessarily, I always have. Bill himself on POC, retired NYPD admitted such. He is one that thought two serial killers always and that they were never brought into the home and he totally change dhis tune in the show I watched last night, and admitted to such. Well we now are pretty sure exactly that went on... He is also dismembering and trying gouge out tattoos and other identification by beheading and placing limbs elsewhere (with prints), in some anyhow as the scenes and recoveries vary... And then had his master document of learning over time and preparing but who knows if that was the last one... Or first... Or how many... The man can't spell at all, we all read it right, lol? And forgot some major things, like don't order pizza as many joked of above or at least eat the crust/bones. But countless other SERIOUS things he didn't even think of if trying to be so smart...

Anyhow, haven't had a long one to unwind, unpack thoughts and etc. and I guess this one turned into it. Just a lot of various thoughts on recent things.
 
There's only one murder scene in Delphi. Possibly at least 10 in this one over a period of 30 years.
And I don't think ten are it either. Of that 30 year period. I think we are going to see other areas and states even. Jmo.
 

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