Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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Interesting but disturbing article about possible other cold case connected murders.

The sherilff says he is very "compliant". Wow.

While CB may or may not be responsible for all or any of these murders mentioned in this article, I do think the surface has barely been scratched where he is concerned and there definitely are other murders. I think he may well turn out to be one of the most prolific SKs of all time. Even though I like to think Asa was involved or had knowledge, it goes to follow that any time she was gone with the kids he "played" and murdered and so anytime he was gone alone and in another state (even harder to catch then), that he did the same. Add to that the man was showing signs of being about to strike again when arrested in his late 50s, and I see many reasons to think there are tons of others.

How much did these two ever travel together or together with family? I've heard no hint they did much of that sort of thing but perhaps we wouldn't hear it. I just tend to believe these other residences and properties were for him and not for them... I could be wrong on that, perhaps she loved to go to Vegas with him or her and the kids go, and to SC but again, I've heard no hint of that. It doesn't matter, just something I wonder. Regardless, imo of course he killed elsewhere and the gap in killings on LI/NY area I think have him killing somewhere else most likely and are not indicative of a stop. Just the fact he was about to kill again in his late 50s says a lot. The article says depending on how big of an "appetite" he had and I think he had a huge appetite for this...We know he had a huge appetite for sex workers and women as a whole...

It's interesting none of the respective agencies would give comment. Not unusual maybe but not even about working a cold case in general and showing they are still on it. Just silence and no comment.

They didn't mention Alaska in the article which is another where he went hunting and on a trip at least once or was it more, I can't recall if more than once...

You know, a cheating spouse will cheat in every city and state any time alone and not with their wife and one that cheats by using sex workers will do that every time they are anywhere without their spouse and I doubt this is any different with him doing at least that, but more so, killing...

I think something put a scare in him for some years in NY/LI where he stopped and I think he was satisfying his appetite elsewhere but then near the time of arrest was readying to go again because 1) he had not been arrested and he got comfortable any worry was over; and 2) he loves the game and hitting again and confounding LE after how many years and even whether there were now THREE different SKs (because they tend to think SKs quit after a certain age) would be fun for him. I am only guessing of course.

I think this man killed every year and probably several times a year since the day he started and who knows when that was....

Not that they have to be petite, but he seems to like smaller, petite and I wish in the article they had mentioned if the ones in each state and being wondered of were petite, smaller women. The ones found lined up in a ditch was it sure ran the range in ages.. It's a no brainer that how many women lined up dead in the same direction next to each other is the work of one killer. And there were how many before someone came across the bodies. Much like Long Island where there were many and they found one after another after another...Different though in lining them up right next to each other....

HOWEVER, his reading material of the profiler, etc. and his "guide" shows he was trying to confound LE and change MOs, etc. imo and I think the reason wasn't even to not get caught so much as to puzzle the cops and be the best SK of all time in making various murders and ways in more than one state never get connected and once they were (if ever) to go down in history as the best and smartest and most talked of, etc.

But then maybe I'm wrong. He's very compliant says the sheriff... We know he cried on arrest or whatever it was, hence our nickname of CB. And so we have a stone cold killer and torturer of women who takes delight in it who is compliant and a crybaby when he is under control... Or it's a facade...

What's a man like this do without being able to indulge his appetite to torture, control and kill...I'm no expert but would guess they turn to playing cat and mouse with the case... We have Mr. Compliant whose wife stands by him, blah, blah, blah. And who asked another SK in a letter if he gets real butter... He's clearly missing all his creature comforts and addictions and can't indulge his appetite for same...

Just thoughts... Jmo.
 
Just getting the victims and dates straight in my head. We have clear gaps in the years notably 2012 onwards.

Karen Vergata missing Feb 14th 1996
Asa E pregnant Feb 1996
"Peaches" discovered in 1997
Baby "Peaches" discovered April 2011
Valerie Mack Spring/Summer 2000
Jessica Taylor missing July 21st 2003
*Maureen Brainard-Barnes July 2007
*Melissa Barthelemy July 2009
Shannan Gilbert May 2010 disc Dec 2011
*Megan Waterman June 2010.
*Amber Costello 2nd Sept 2010
Suspect and vehicle described Sep 2010
Asian male discovered April 2011
Pick-up registered to brother in SC 2012
J. Burke Suffolk Police Chief 2012-2015
R. Harrison Suffolk Police Chief Jan 2022
*Rex H arrest July 2023
Ok so will try and see how these ones in the recent article fit in. Looks like the 2006 Atlantic City ones and the 2014 South Carolina ones fit right in to gaps in his "killing calendar" with the Reynolds one in April '96 slotting in two months after Vergata. Also of note is that his pickup truck moved to South Carolina in 2012 and the LI murders appear to have stopped once he registered it to his brother. This was at the same time as Burke became Chief.

Will update and repost this list with the recent charges of Costilla and Taylor and will add these new possible Vegas/AC/S.Carolina ones in too.
 
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I make this a total of 19 victims.

**Sandra Costillo 1993
Karen Vergata missing Feb 14th 1996
Asa E pregnant Feb 1996
Alicia Reynolds, 2nd March 1996, VA
"Peaches" discovered in 1997
(Baby "Peaches" discovered April 2011)
***Valerie Mack Spring/Summer 2000
**Jessica Taylor missing July 21st 2003
Jodie Brewer, 19, Aug 2006, Las Vegas
Kim Raffo, 35, 21st Nov 2006
Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, Oct 2006
Barbara Breidor, 42, Nov 2006
Molly Dilts, 19, Nov 2006
(Above four victims from Atlantic City )
*Maureen Brainard-Barnes July 2007
*Melissa Barthelemy July 2009
Shannan Gilbert May 2010 disc Dec 2011
*Megan Waterman June 2010.
*Amber Costello 2nd Sept 2010
Suspect and vehicle described Sep 2010
Asian male discovered April 2011
Pick-up registered to brother in SC 2012
Aaliyah Bell, Rock Hill, SC Nov 2014

Notes
J. Burke Suffolk Police Chief 2012-2015
R. Harrison Suffolk Police Chief Jan 2022
*RexH arrest July 2023
**RexH additional charges June 2024
***RexH POI June 2024
 
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Found a bit more on the Jodi Brewer one. She had last been dropped off at apartments that were only 4 miles from the apartment CB owned from 2005 till 2012. I will add her to my list.

( From the Newsweek article upthread -

"There are deed records for Heuermann at 5499 Tropicana Avenue West in Las Vegas. The condominium's contract is from April 2005.

In 2012, Heuermann and his wife sold a property for $51,000 to Wyndham Vacation Resorts. The property is part of Club Wyndham Grand Desert." )

 
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Ok so this is about the 4 women lined up in a ditch in Atlantic City.


Plus a NYT article from Dec 2006.

 
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Being updated....

**Sandra Costillo 1993
Karen Vergata missing Feb 14th 1996
Asa E pregnant Feb 1996
Alicia Reynolds, 2nd March 1996, VA
"Peaches" discovered in 1997
(Baby "Peaches" discovered April 2011)
***Valerie Mack Spring/Summer 2000
**Jessica Taylor missing July 21st 2003
Jodie Brewer, 19, Aug 2006, Las Vegas
Kim Raffo, 35, 21st Nov 2006
Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, Oct 2006
Barbara Breidor, 42, Nov 2006
Molly Dilts, 19, Nov 2006
(Above four victims from Atlantic City )
*Maureen Brainard-Barnes July 2007
*Melissa Barthelemy July 2009
Shannan Gilbert May 2010 disc Dec 2011
*Megan Waterman June 2010.
*Amber Costello 2nd Sept 2010
Suspect and vehicle described Sep 2010
Asian male discovered April 2011
Pick-up registered to brother in SC 2012
Aaliyah Bell, Rock Hill, SC Nov 2014

Notes
J. Burke Suffolk Police Chief 2012-2015
R. Harrison Suffolk Police Chief Jan 2022
*RexH arrest July 2023
**RexH additional charges June 2024
***RexH POI June 2024
Really notice and appreciate you putting the time into this. It is what I would do back when I had time. I'm not even organized in stuff like this any longer. Keep this list to tweak and add to.

I think and have thought something gave him a scare and it hints of someone in LE or who knows as to when he got rid of the truck, etc. and I think he either laid low for a bit OR murdered elsewhere...

I'm no expert but he seems to me to be an SK with an insatiable appetite and was bent on also like happens confounding the statistics, the profilers and throwing it all off trying to show them as stupid and self as smarter...

While I don't necessarily see a connection between him and Burke, there is way too much going on amongst LE, sex workers, those in power and you name it to ignore, and of Long Island, of more...

He was watching and got worried again that he got rid of the "truck" in SC. He may have even laid low for a bit. He followed the profiling of SKs and intended to be the best. He MAY have laid low for a bit out of concern or never did, he simply changes areas and MOs... Just my opinion, it seems to be the case, and just a strong instinct with him.

His family is another story... BUT it also fits that when Asa and kids weren't gone, he went elsewhere.... And killed elsewhere... I need to go see my mom. My brother.. I have to go to Vegas. I'm going on a hunting trip in Alaska...

ON the other hand, I can go back and forth with wife and daughter....
 
Found a bit more on the Jodi Brewer one. She had last been dropped off at apartments that were only 4 miles from the apartment CB owned from 2005 till 2012. I will add her to my list.

( From the Newsweek article upthread -

"There are deed records for Heuermann at 5499 Tropicana Avenue West in Las Vegas. The condominium's contract is from April 2005.

In 2012, Heuermann and his wife sold a property for $51,000 to Wyndham Vacation Resorts. The property is part of Club Wyndham Grand Desert." )

I am saying and predicting that long after he and all of us are long gone they will be finding other murders by him and proving such years afater.... Imho. Looks at Dennis Rader. How many years ago was he put away and now they are looking at others.... IN different areas, etc.
 
It's looking to me like someone tipped CB off in 2012 when he sold his Vegas apartment and his truck went to his brother in SC. Could Burke have tipped him off when he became Chief?
I think so too. I've seen a couple of times where I think he had a tip off from someone OR just the hints of news and someone on the inside got him worried even if that person had no idea he killed anyone... I would think the belt buckle release would have worried him, any hint of a description of his truck, etc. It doesn't have to be Burke but could be and it doesn't have to be anyone who even thinks CB did anything, just someone sharing chit chat and gossip with an architect who sometimes worked with the city, etc....

It could be more minor than Burke and a connection yet it is understandable in THIS one to feel there may be such a thing or conspiracy but I think far more likely is just covering their own use of sex workers and doing wrong, etc. and CB's trying to be a city connected guy, etc. gently digging for info...

It's kind of like Read. No comparison I'm sure some would say but that's what happens when you have anyone not even killing but taking advantage of power and covering their own more minor wrongdoings and not wanting anyone looking too close. In that one Proctor wouldn't want such, in this one Burke sure didn't want such, etc., etc.

LE and DAs and all in any position need to have the cleanest nose and behavior or this is what happens. Of course it is easy to buy into someone hiding something or not wanting too much of an outside investigation means they framed or covered up something in a case where they just may be worried about being found out for what they do in their own life...

If that makes any sense...

If Burke and CB are connected, well I missed where CB has any big ties to anyone in power but who knows... Men who do prostitutes or strip clubs even have their own "guy" code of silence...
 
I think so too. I've seen a couple of times where I think he had a tip off from someone OR just the hints of news and someone on the inside got him worried even if that person had no idea he killed anyone... I would think the belt buckle release would have worried him, any hint of a description of his truck, etc. It doesn't have to be Burke but could be and it doesn't have to be anyone who even thinks CB did anything, just someone sharing chit chat and gossip with an architect who sometimes worked with the city, etc....

It could be more minor than Burke and a connection yet it is understandable in THIS one to feel there may be such a thing or conspiracy but I think far more likely is just covering their own use of sex workers and doing wrong, etc. and CB's trying to be a city connected guy, etc. gently digging for info...

It's kind of like Read. No comparison I'm sure some would say but that's what happens when you have anyone not even killing but taking advantage of power and covering their own more minor wrongdoings and not wanting anyone looking too close. In that one Proctor wouldn't want such, in this one Burke sure didn't want such, etc., etc.

LE and DAs and all in any position need to have the cleanest nose and behavior or this is what happens. Of course it is easy to buy into someone hiding something or not wanting too much of an outside investigation means they framed or covered up something in a case where they just may be worried about being found out for what they do in their own life...

If that makes any sense...

If Burke and CB are connected, well I missed where CB has any big ties to anyone in power but who knows... Men who do prostitutes or strip clubs even have their own "guy" code of silence...
I still think Burke is a good suspect for the guy who took his prostitute girlfriend and Vergata to Heuermann's house in '96. I think he knew who LISK was and that is why he threw the FBI off the case and did not follow up on the pick up truck, when he became Chief. He just told CB to get rid of the truck when he became Chief in 2012 IMO. He may even have told him to hunt elsewhere and not on his patch. I have recently read the Wiki for Burke and it is very detailed and interesting so I will post it.

The second link below is the Wiki but the first link is much better as a lot of it is directly from the police files. In fact I probably read both of these at the same time a couple of weeks ago and am misremembering all the detail from the police files as being from the Wiki.

I understand your previous point about likening this to the LE in the Read case and the covering up that goes on in PD's.



 
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Just came across this article. I know we have read it before but it is good to read it again as a recap. At this point, Shannon's body had still not been found.

Wow. This is a long read. Whether anyone believes it or not, longer I think than any post I have ever posted. Even my one about lack of salt on a burger, etc. Long, long, long but is a MUST READ. Some I knew but some I either forgot or didn't. ANYONE who cares about this case needs to read it imo. But it is long, however, interesting and well written...

There are SO many things I wanted to point out or comment towards but by the time done was oversaturated and would have to take it but by bit again to do so.

I have a rare 1 p.m. work start today and was up early after getting home at 6:30 last night (also rare) so had a fair gap for once between shifts. I started reading this this morning and only now finished. Considering this isn't a recent article but was July of 2023 it makes it even more interesting...

So many things and thoughts crossed my mind while reading it but it went on so long, I've lost them and people here will probably be thankful lol.

I am saying it is a MUST read although yes, it has probably been out before but I didn't recall it all by a long shot.

I recall few of my comments on parts I was going to make as it took a long time to read.

One is that they had Shannon's footprints yet couldn't find her. Another is that they were all $200 per hour escorts, etc. I did not recall that Brewer and Shannon actually left his home at on epoint for a time... But I had many more thoughts than I can recall and it is a work day.

Again I'd say a must read. A long one but VERY good.

You know hooker and prostitute has changed to sex worker and escort has always been around to insulate it is higher class and only a date, not sex but it's all the same... OR dancer and they don't do the sex. Hardly ever the case imo. Or how about massage?

It's so sad this is tried to and in some cases the drugs too in order to make a quick big buck at total risk to oneself. Yeah trying to raise children, or support oneself or have any finer things in life takes more than minimum wage but at what cost... Not judging but am saying perhaps in some cases, not all, the allure and belief they are in control when they are meeting creeps and strangers and being used is very sad.

In some cases, it is drugs or someone got them into it when young of course or controlled them whether pimp or bf and in some cases probably he same or a driver that wanted his cut no matter what.

Again this was a must read, poignant, sad, informative and very family of the girls oriented... And the LACK of investigation, etc.

The sister who did the life herself gave some real insight imo.... Was that Overstreet I think. Again it was sooo long that what is as thinking on each thing and comments were out of my head by the end.

And it says a lot about the investigation, the lack of such and the suspects even as to was it two LE that were looked at... I forget. A lot of my morning has went towards reading it all.

The comparison from Shannon Gilbert to Natallee Holloway and the interest was striking... And true.

I hope I get time to look back because there was a good point or two case wise... However earlier on and by the end, my mid was on the last how many paragraphs and facts.
 
I think LE are doing the right thing here by investigating it all. With a bit of pressure, CB could do a deal and blab it all and probably drop a ton of people right in the poop, hopefully.
 
I still think Burke is a good suspect for the guy who took his prostitute girlfriend and Vergata to Heuermann's house in '96. I think he knew who LISK was and that is why he threw the FBI off the case and did not follow up on the pick up truck, when he became Chief. He just told CB to get rid of the truck when he became Chief in 2012 IMO. He may even have told him to hunt elsewhere and not on his patch. I have recently read the Wiki for Burke and it is very detailed and interesting so I will post it.

The second link below is the Wiki but the first link is much better as a lot of it is directly from the police files. In fact I probably read both of these at the same time a couple of weeks ago and am misremembering all the detail from the police files as being from the Wiki.

I understand your previous point about likening this to the LE in the Read case and the covering up that goes on in PD's.



He is impossible to ignore, I would agree on that. And CB did seem to have a tip off or two on when heat was near AND a lack of investigation into these murders and so on. The 2012 timing is very interesting. However, I also think Burke had his own sh*t to hide and reason to not want the feds near his office or prostitutes, etc. The whole Shannon Gilbert thing confounds me. There have long been rumors of parties, sex workers, LE and more on LI... One thing I forgot (of many) in the long read was other voices in the background of Shannon's call... Somewhere way back when long ago I was under the impression the Brewer thing was a party of men but that may well come from rumor, gossip and speculation...

Burke most definitely affected this case whether for personal reasons or a connection, not sure. He is beyond reprehensible and is ruined and if not yet, should be. And some of the things and timing are downright uncanny...

I don't rule it out but in another way CB seems like a lone wolf too... However, maybe just like the swinging, he indulged in many things. His own personal murders and plans, parties, swinging, etc...
If Burke is the officer in Vergata, the initials are wrong and we are being lied to...

For some reason, I don't see him in that role. I can see him as the one who informed CB the heat was on though... I can stay open to that...
 
I still think Burke is a good suspect for the guy who took his prostitute girlfriend and Vergata to Heuermann's house in '96. I think he knew who LISK was and that is why he threw the FBI off the case and did not follow up on the pick up truck, when he became Chief. He just told CB to get rid of the truck when he became Chief in 2012 IMO. He may even have told him to hunt elsewhere and not on his patch. I have recently read the Wiki for Burke and it is very detailed and interesting so I will post it.

The second link below is the Wiki but the first link is much better as a lot of it is directly from the police files. In fact I probably read both of these at the same time a couple of weeks ago and am misremembering all the detail from the police files as being from the Wiki.

I understand your previous point about likening this to the LE in the Read case and the covering up that goes on in PD's.



I don't have time to read all the wiki stuff by a long shot but Thomas Spota is bad news too. Read the 2005. I have heard of him many a time and not just in relation to LISK from all the retired NYPD on YT, Joe Giacalone, Duty Ron, Police Off the Cuff... Note his affiliation with Burke and his bringing him in and along... Political to the max as well it all is. And organized crime, etc. Destroying others...
 

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