Do we know which victim the belt was found on? It is a big piece of evidence and I am not sure we even know all the details. All this about Shannon, Brewer and Hacket is all so suspect too and I think it is all one big cover up. Now we are hearing about Oak Beach sex parties and hookers, which is what started the whole discovery of these victims.
I can't recall. It seems to me they said or if they did not, it was clear it was on a victim/at a scene. I also wish I recalled the pics better because LE probably knew the way it was oriented as the buckle but then again, a killer could have intentionally had it upside down, and whether a male belt or female belt, etc. not that that tells anything either but waist size would maybe tell somehing--of the belt. Meaning if the female madam of Burke's was tiny waisted and this was a huge men's belt then it wasn't hers... Etc.
I think there's a TON we don't know of all the cases. And even cases to come that they may already have indications on he was responsible...
I include Shannon's driver, Michael Pak in the supicions and as part of the "group"...
You know though they may but don't have to relate necessarily... THere was that other serial killers, forget his name, last name starts with B they even looked at for these murders, etc., he never made SK real status as was only convicted or charged with two, also operated there, etc... And I think there's been more than that... In fact I think they thought he did one of the recent two newly charged ones...
I mean I guess, Burke, him, CB, Hackett, Brewer etc. could have all known each other and been part of something but it would be a reach imo.
I do think Shannon's case was mishandled, still is mishandled and was inappropriately decided. I can't STAND it when any case where there's not absolute proof gets ruled an accident, suicide, etc. especially when circumstances give a lot of doubt.
The stories have been out there a long time, most of them. This area has a plethora of sex workers and men who use them imo, it is a huge city, NYC and Manattan, etc. I mean. Las Vegas would be one. LA. Many.
Also a lot of politics, and corruption. I mean like I said look at Epstein and how many big names were dumb enough to have anything to do with him or that...
I wish to heck women would stop thinking it's a way to support selves or that they are in control or to give them more money, get them through college or support a drug habit one would hope they'd never start, etc. Any man who would even employ a sex worker in my opinion is already a bad type and many an SK have centered on sex workers as not noticed missing, disposable and people they devalue. Even the fact they changed the word prostitute to sex workers shows what...? And acceptance of the profession and they should have another name to denote a working gal or some such? Not that there aren't male prostitutes as well...
Like the one you posted of Ray's about the woman going through college who encountered Burke a couple of times and what he did to her, how dehumanizing, etc. so WHY DO IT. She claimed it was the first time she was paid for sex, I am not so sure I buy that as it started out saying she was an escort. Was she always maybe paid through the agency and it was the first time a man privately threw money at her after not being able to complete an act... And THAT doesn't surprise me either, the not being able to perform... May or may not be true but NOT hard to believe.
Back to CB there is sooo much I want to know yet. I want to know how his mother supported them after his dad died. I am not saying she was a prostitute but I almost can't help but wonder...
A few like Billy Baldwin have spoken of him in school and having to go home to be with mom but absolutely no details on things like that...
I think there's more to Burke and Hackett, Brewer, etc. whether together or alone but I don't necessarily thing any of them worked with CB in committing these murders. I think they are all into sex wrokers and so on and I think all the rumors through the years likely stemmed from Ray but they come from somewhere too. No connection has been made though despite such that we are aware of anyhow.
What we do know is there are some very twisted and sick men in that neck of the woods. And I feel sorry for any family who has a daughter whose gotten caught up in prostitution. Call it an excor, call it a dancer and claim they don't do that, I believe that rarely to be the case. Or not for long if ever.
This world is still as backwards as it has ever been and only regresses in many ways. Now they can access any of it via the internet or dark web on top of it. And groom, meet, kill and so on.
I have two daughters and if EVER I even suspected one was doing this or thinking about it, I'd stop it in any way possible. WHAT could possibly be more dangerous... And degrading.
Money, drugs or maybe initially some feel they have the power but we know they don't. They are sitting ducks in vulnerable situations no matter how many precautions they take.
I have a bit of a passion about the subject. because like it is with Gilbert, she's basically dismissed and WAS dismissed as all really were because they're "just" sex workers after all. And then there are the ones that men or bfs pimped out and met the wrong guy...
If Amber's bf testifies at trial and it wouldn't surprise me if he is called, I can already see the cross examination... And yet the fact his seeing the truck and the guy remains that it helped crack the case. Should have back when but it helped eventually when they found the info after it being buried. Kind of like Delphi that way...
One day off almost over and feel I've accomplished little as always. Laundry done, dishes done. Some text contacts made n a surveyor and to realtor, to daughter about switching vehicles, etc. and day is almost shot. Not much more accomplished than that. ANd that's the way it always is. I get done what has to be done and never anything that I want to beyond that. I"m unclear on how much vacation I will have come this Feb (for some reason ours needs to be used up by Feb, not Jan, and new comes in Feb) but I am hoping I am up to at least nine or ten days but very unsure of that. I will likely never TAKE another vacation in this lifetime but at least ten days would let me take off a four day stretch almost once a month or close to it. Something has GOT TO GIVE soon, it's all too much. And yet as I say that I know others have heavier loads even.
The Burke thing has always been interesting and hard to let go as have Hackett, Pak and Brewer and even the fact 911 was as it was and an officer/s arriving. I know SHannon didnt' know
the address but they knew it was Long Island if I recall... Then the resistance to finding her or investigating...
I don't know what it is but I don't see CB as a social guy who was socially comfortable. He could be full of himself no doubt but that doesn't make him sociably likable. I recall the one woman saying, was that one of Ray's? She ran into him like at a bar or some such and the LISK case was brought up and talked of and he gave her creepy vibes or some such. Tried to get her to go WITH him. That also makes me think of like Brian Kohberger who gets a few drinks at a bar and is being inappropriate and creepy to the women staff and yet can't seem to recognize that... Imo they are social misfits and so I kind of don't see him as a party going guy BUT maybe when it comes to other creeps into the same stuff, that differs.,.. Swinging, prostitutes, SM and bondage stuff, etc...
The home for wayward girls call was just plain AWFUL... That's someone toying and trying to agitate a family they think beneath them as well as their
daughter/sister. IMHO.
Okay, I need to quit going on and get something else done around here before I lose the day.
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