Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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GIVE IT 16 MINUTES. SERIOUSLY.
Give it the entire show. Seriously lol.

This was so interesting and they even showed how the app works. Unsolved murders. Patterns. Analytics. One can search by all sorts of paramaters. How many murders does your area report to the feds and more, how many in your city, how many in your state, how many compared to others. Victims by what age. Offenders by what age. All sorts of things.

This show is INTERESTING. This app and tool is INTERESTING and can be used by anyone.

I was almost to the end last night but dropped off. Ten hour plus day. Finished this morning the few minutes I had left.

murderdata.org
 
Give it the entire show. Seriously lol.

This was so interesting and they even showed how the app works. Unsolved murders. Patterns. Analytics. One can search by all sorts of paramaters. How many murders does your area report to the feds and more, how many in your city, how many in your state, how many compared to others. Victims by what age. Offenders by what age. All sorts of things.

This show is INTERESTING. This app and tool is INTERESTING and can be used by anyone.

I was almost to the end last night but dropped off. Ten hour plus day. Finished this morning the few minutes I had left.

murderdata.org
I followed this and downloaded 47 unsolved deaths in Suffolk & Nassau Counties in NY from 1981-2013. Very interesting and helpful tool.
 
I followed this and downloaded 47 unsolved deaths in Suffolk & Nassau Counties in NY from 1981-2013. Very interesting and helpful tool.
I think so. I haven't had time to play with it but their video about it was enough to be interested and stick with me. I'm interested in looking at my area or those near me and what results come up. he said the number of murders with similar things In NY are beyond yes what we've heard or know.

I KNOW that cities, especially big ones play their crime statistics and it's often political. That's one thing I've known and believed for a long time.

You know, murder gets pled down to manslaughter, a domestic is never assault, etc. to show crime statistics are down or not so high etc. That was kind of touched on in this video too. Or not put into a database and so on.

So you've actually checked it out? I watched the entire video and the examples that it can be used for and I went to the site but haven't played with it yet. And one can include every state, one common denominator, etc. or just one's area and so on. OR just all murders by knife, etc. He mentioned how for instance if murders are committed by like a rifle, they will all almost be white men. If by a handgun, almost all black. He mentioned how explosives most will come back to late 20s or 30s I think it was. It isn't profiling so much as they are taking data from all known cases you can do any search on to find your own patterns. You can do it for one area or all states.

I'm not a big stat person. But this just takes actual data out there that hasn't even necessarily been put together you can look for yourself. Like you have a crime with strangling, the victim was in a park, and was disposed of in such a way. You can pick any detail and search by your own area as I understand it or through the entire US for similar crimes. I found it REALLY intriguing.

Of COURSE it just compiles all these searchable things into one database and such has to be able to be found to put it in there but the examples I saw were pretty impressive already.

He gave an example of a serial killer unknown that an average person thought they'd noticed or found a pattern using this tool. Roger White or some such. Last name was White pretty sure.

Watching this show itself gives a good idea of what it is and I think this should just get better and be contributed to as an overall tool with info.

Of course when one has someone like CB who appears to have been trying to confound by changing ways and areas, intentionally want to throw a profiler off, reading profiling books, etc. then that's more of a challenge. But if one put in just his areas maybe and whether him or looking into another offender, just putting in dates known to be in this state or that or living in one or another, and see what comes up for murders and so on. I again haven't gotten to play with it but that's the way the tool sounds... You can change any search thing, date, weapon, age of victim, etc.

Anyhow, share and tell more if you've actually checked it out. it's so true as to the lack of national databases and the ones that do exist were not often started by our govt and even when there is one, not all contribute to them or report.
 
Wasn't sure at first, don't know her, but after listening man is this interesting, she knows not only these murders but a lot about other victims found in the area/s, etc.

She is talking of John Does. We think of the Asian male, ONE man, there are OTHERS and she brings them up.

Much of interest.

I'm not through it all but just the first 20 minutes so far and won't get to finish tonight, I have an early day tomorrow after working late tonight, sigh, and as it is will likely only get 3 to 4 hours sleep and a big next couple of days/week actually.

His show is my top fave at the moment and man he gets some good guests. His roll call thing is more relaxed and not always full of info, just more chit chat like, but the ones with guests are good

She shared a tidbit and no reason to doubt it from someone in LE, that they were planning to arrest him 4 days after they did, they moved it up. As to the why she said they were worried it would come out at a BBQ but I don't think she means some specific BBQ, in talking of it I think she means it was heating up and about to culminate in an operation and arrest four days later than it did and they were worrying something would get out even unintentionally, that's my read on it. That other LE outside of the operation would be picking up on something going on and they just plain were worried and moved it up. I can see that, this case finally had evidence and they'd caught LISK and excitement had to be there too, it has been huge for years or notorious for no arrest, etc. How do you keep all this and the GJ quiet, etc...

We were led to believe I think that he was buying another track phone and there were hints he was going to strike again. Whatever the case, supposedly the plan initially was to arrest him four days later but they moved it up.

You know my thought hearing that, they did that on purpose. Had the plan for four days later and intended to change it quickly in case anything leaked and move quick so that even if LE talked amongst selves or realized something, only a select group knew or knew on very short notice... What I mean is I am thinking the four days later never was the plan by the tightest few. They let the others think that and then bam, moved it up telling few. Just a guess. She didn't say that, she only has the date it was supposedly to go down and of course that's from some source in LE so...

Anyhow, that's not the hugest thing but her knowledge and talk of all the other dead victims, where found and far more is pretty impressive.

 
ALSO she had called Suffollk like hours before about another case all together to see what if any info she could get on it and since talking to someone about that, she routinely asked about Gilgo. Was told they were going to go a genealogy route or were to identify victims and that was it. Four hours later, CB was arrested and they never gave a HINT... Well who she talked to may not have had one come to think of it.
 
A fair amount of talk too about Peaches and the baby...

She has quit working for the news and is about to launch a website.
 
Joe thinks like many of us suspect due to things talked of that Peaches may have already been identified, just hasn't been told to us the public yet...

She said similar earlier in the show...

For the same reasons we think it though pretty much...
 
Of course I should be in bed but just good conversation on this video. Joe mentions the 50 hotel keys and they talk of the wealth probably of info found on hard drives and such that we probably haven't heard even more than a bit of. But that made me think of the hotel keys which are odd. Keepsake or something more...? Hotels are SUPPOSED to change the code and card after each occupant of course... Were these nice hotels or run of the mill or sleazy ones... is it cards or keys...? Joe says keys but then talks as if they are cards... Big difference...

She is NOW talking of the Asian male specifically...
 
Talking about a victim named Andre Isaac, a male, and just talking of Joe's other guest with that analytical tool and there are like 40 or more murders at LEAST that may or may not relate......

Again GOOD conversation, INTERESTING. I have to go to bed though. I did get about 2/3 through and would love to finish all if I didn't have to get at least a couple of hours sleep which won't be enough as it is.
 
So trying to finish this this VERY earl morn.

Well worth watching. Lots of interesting talk. Covered Atlantic City, victims I was not that much aware of like the Isaac guy, the John Does and more.

She is very into the geography of where various victims have found and their possible relationship.

She's had quite the long career and covered many cases. I probably have been aware of her at some point but she isn't someone I'm immediately familiar with.

She's been at it long enough and from the area that she has her sources. I'm sure others here may be more familiar with her than I.

I'll be subscribing to her new channel and seeing how that goes. Not channel, website actually I think. She likes to write and will blog. Marymurphyofficial.com She does say when asked she may try her hand at podcasts... Website is supposed to launch Friday afternoon.

This was just an all around good conversation about this case and more. Worth it imo.

And that's a wrap.
 
Top pic looks to me like right side is black leather front and left side is back of belt...?
I thought the opposite to you. I thought the black looked like the reverse and the brown leather was the face of the belt. The black side looked like it had curling edges too which made me think it was the side facing the body.
 
I thought the opposite to you. I thought the black looked like the reverse and the brown leather was the face of the belt. The black side looked like it had curling edges too which made me think it was the side facing the body.
That's interesting and I don't see how you see it that way. The black leather would never been on the back versus the other side that isn't "finished" leather imo on any belt. I'm curious to what others think if anyone ever pops in here and sees this. I noted the curling edges but to me that's from years of use and even possibly from the way it was used on the body. Putting a belt into loops too narrow even, etc. could cause that.

To me the back is unfinished leather and is embossed or stamped, etc. with the initials. That says to me it wasn't monogrammed to like show, as you would, that you own monogrammed towels or some such but for ownership or just done as a gift and it was an extra that could be added. Ownership makes me think of someone want all initialed maybe if you were in the service, or if younger, in boarding school or somewhere you'd just want your possessions having your initials on them. IF it was his grandfather's, it may well have just been more of a thing back when.

Although it could be, it does not strike me as a female's belt at all like you were saying about it possibly being Burke's "madam". There's nothing female about it. Don't get me wrong, where I work we have to wear belts and shirts tucked in, etc. and for that PURPOSE I bought a regular male belt and yes, that black leather is on the outside. It's actually that way on both sides. BUT my entire life with all the belts I owned until this more mundane utility kind of belt for work purposes, were clearly female and had some cute factor or were narrower, etc. Colored, metal links, a leather belt but with a fabric buckle area and some detail. Etc.

He's a hoarder, this is an always owned family home and I think it is his grandfather's belt. Plus why would Asa's hair be on a belt of Burke's madam? I just think that is far less likely. By a long shot.
If this comes from something like Reddit, I can't recall, sorry, where you saw such, then it goes to show such isn't always right because I don't think they are right in this case. Not that we know for sure whose it is/was of course. It's just a lot more logical and likely to me and the Burke Madam thing a bit far out there imo. CB is the killer whether there is any connection to Burke or not and then one has to add in his Madam. I just think it's a bit of a reach.

If so it makes the letters WH. And I mean the accused SK has a last name of Heuerman. It just all fits. And that home was owned by his grandpa on down to his father and to him.

I think something in his history has a lot of do with his killing too. Not sure what it is but just recalling that weird interview and him talking about the carpenter's hammer or whatever it was and his father, his father died when he was young, he's lived in this house that his family has always owned, etc. I keep saying I want to know how his mother supported them after the father died and what I mean by that is obvious...I've held off from saying it because it may be far off base. Maybe they were raised on welfare as it would have been likely called then, I sure don't know. There is no hint sh ever remarried or he had a stepdad was there? I don't think so.

Anyhow for me the "brown" side is the soft unfinished side of the belt, the underside and the black is the showing side.
 
That's interesting and I don't see how you see it that way. The black leather would never been on the back versus the other side that isn't "finished" leather imo on any belt. I'm curious to what others think if anyone ever pops in here and sees this. I noted the curling edges but to me that's from years of use and even possibly from the way it was used on the body. Putting a belt into loops too narrow even, etc. could cause that.

To me the back is unfinished leather and is embossed or stamped, etc. with the initials. That says to me it wasn't monogrammed to like show, as you would, that you own monogrammed towels or some such but for ownership or just done as a gift and it was an extra that could be added. Ownership makes me think of someone want all initialed maybe if you were in the service, or if younger, in boarding school or somewhere you'd just want your possessions having your initials on them. IF it was his grandfather's, it may well have just been more of a thing back when.

Although it could be, it does not strike me as a female's belt at all like you were saying about it possibly being Burke's "madam". There's nothing female about it. Don't get me wrong, where I work we have to wear belts and shirts tucked in, etc. and for that PURPOSE I bought a regular male belt and yes, that black leather is on the outside. It's actually that way on both sides. BUT my entire life with all the belts I owned until this more mundane utility kind of belt for work purposes, were clearly female and had some cute factor or were narrower, etc. Colored, metal links, a leather belt but with a fabric buckle area and some detail. Etc.

He's a hoarder, this is an always owned family home and I think it is his grandfather's belt. Plus why would Asa's hair be on a belt of Burke's madam? I just think that is far less likely. By a long shot.
If this comes from something like Reddit, I can't recall, sorry, where you saw such, then it goes to show such isn't always right because I don't think they are right in this case. Not that we know for sure whose it is/was of course. It's just a lot more logical and likely to me and the Burke Madam thing a bit far out there imo. CB is the killer whether there is any connection to Burke or not and then one has to add in his Madam. I just think it's a bit of a reach.

If so it makes the letters WH. And I mean the accused SK has a last name of Heuerman. It just all fits. And that home was owned by his grandpa on down to his father and to him.

I think something in his history has a lot of do with his killing too. Not sure what it is but just recalling that weird interview and him talking about the carpenter's hammer or whatever it was and his father, his father died when he was young, he's lived in this house that his family has always owned, etc. I keep saying I want to know how his mother supported them after the father died and what I mean by that is obvious...I've held off from saying it because it may be far off base. Maybe they were raised on welfare as it would have been likely called then, I sure don't know. There is no hint sh ever remarried or he had a stepdad was there? I don't think so.

Anyhow for me the "brown" side is the soft unfinished side of the belt, the underside and the black is the showing side.
That's fine we disagree on the belt. If the belt was left by Burke as in my theory, that would have been in '96 and the victim who had the belts on her was in 2007, so plenty of time laying around in the dump of a house to get Asa's hair on it. Maybe Asa had even worn it, if it was a designer belt. Also you mention at the end that his mother didn't remarry but I believe she did have a live in partner and when he died she sold the house for $320k and moved upstate, we found out IIRC. Also, for money, she had the house sale when she sold it to CB in '94.
 
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That's fine we disagree on the belt. If the belt was left by Burke as in my theory, that would have been in '96 and the victim who had the belts on her was in 2007, so plenty of time laying around in the dump of a house to get Asa's hair on it. Maybe Asa had even worn it, if it was a designer belt. Also you mention at the end that his mother didn't remarry but I believe she did have a live in partner and when he died she sold the house for $320k and moved upstate, we found out IIRC. Also, for money, she had the house sale when she sold it to CB in '94.
yeah, not a big deal disagreeing about the belt. I really don't see your theory. I mean I get how bad Burke looks but just think that's a reach and would have to have several things come together. Also I just don't think the initialed cop is Burke, and the gf I don't think was a madam or never got that impression but who knows.

Burke is bad news but I tend to think he just didn't want the feds in his back yard finding out about his own activities and proclivities. It took some doing to catch CB and I just don't think they investigated sh*t back when to have any clue who did the murders. I do tend to wonder about the partying rumors and such but think a lot of them stem from John Ray through the years and even then it doesn't connect Burke and CB necessarily.

I guess I mean I just, even though entertaining other, see the most likely thing and logical thing and conspiracies that involve too much have to have a lot of things go on. Meaning he and gf had to be at CB's home first of all. Second of all she had to be wearing this belt or they had it with for some unfathomable reason. Then they had to leave it there. Then it has to have picked up one of Asa's hairs. Then CB had to use it later on as a belt on a woman CB tortured and murdered. That's a LOT that has to fall into place. And/or Burke and partner were part of the murder and there for it and Asa too but she is said to have been gone for the murders.

You know, I put on a recent one by Police Off the Cuff last night. It was about recent statements from Tierney. As I had it on, I did not find it all that revelatory and didn't really get into it where I paid a lot of attention but some of it was how he pretty much came out and said again after Ray said what he did about the daughter and her drawings and so on and the family that there is NOTHING that shows them involved and how they were gone for each murder.

I was tired, end of my full work week as my weekends aren't Sat/Sun but Thurs/Fri and I wasn't finding it what I thought it to be, maybe there was more of interest but kept it on in the background and never really picked up on anything of note but again I was tired.

I kept thinking a few things though. FIRST, as I've said before, yes the family seems to have been gone for most of these murders and it makes sense, it really does, that that is when he played and had the home to himself but again we don't know nor does LE when these women were killed, just when they went missing. I DO think there's a good chance the family was not involved or home for the murders though, it seems to be the case most likely. BUT what is his interest in getting out there and saying this for the daughter's sake OR Asa's sake? Seriously, why should he care? Asa and her attorney have went to sue them for like the search and destruction of their possessions, she supports CB the by far more than likely SK in this case, Asa moved to protect assets immediately screwing the victims out of assets and restitution or recovery that Tierney should care about first and who cares even if wrong if the public speculates, or John Ray, about what the family knew or their involvement. Why does he care enough to come out and emphasize there's no proof the family was involved? Seriously. He doesn't come out all the time and I think does a good job, I am not anti Tierney even though he is riding a wave that Harrison started putting a task force together and now Harrison is gone, you can bet due to politics and sides.

They have brought further charges for two more women and that's great, and I'm not ignoring that but what is his thing about never coming out much as they don't in investigations but emphasizing how the family is not involved and CB was a lone wolf. I take that to mean also not in tandem with some other killer or some deeper thing.

So in not really listening to POC because it wasn't what I thought it would be, and I wasn't really listening while it played, it seemed mostly to be about Tierney coming out saying they don't see anyone else being involved. Not Asa, not Victoria. Probably not Burke or anyone else.

Being tired I felt they are just covering any defense he could possibly dream up that Asa did it, Burke did it, Bitroff did it to ensure no defense that way or not enable one can be used. Again I didn't pay a lot of attention and there wasn't anything big in the show imo though as to Burke's recent remarks, he just seemed to be re-emphasizing that Asa and the kids weren't home per John Ray's claims or some such.

But again why care? They have CB dead to rights and it's almost like he cares about Asa and kids and wants such known. He doesn't come out over just anything. And again they are the ones profiting off this (her hub's/their father's murders of others) and suing with a sleaze bag of a lawyer in at least Asa's case.

Asa and the kids were common sense wise maybe not involved and were gone BUT whether they had a hint or knew is something else. But even so, they don't have proof of that and that's fine but why does Tierney care if anyone is wondering or Ray saying whatever that he comes out about that... About the kids and Asa.

I guess what I am getting towards here is IS Asa cooperating....? Helping...? I don't see another reason for him pointing this out when he gets on and points nothing on normally other than when they announce a newly charged murder or some such... And I don't see WHY he would other than to diss Ray without saying so, that he would defend daughter and wife, politics, or she is cooperating.

You know that show of Joe's was interesting the other night with that not young long time reporter.... And she said they moved before planned worried someone would say something at a BBQ and there was that kind of worry I'd assume their subject would find out they were near to an arrest of him. Of course in something so bungled and finally close to being solved and an arrest made of an SK, you'd not want to risk anything but he seems to go out of his way to get on when he never does to say no reason to think family or anyone else involved.
 
So there are actually two belts with those initials?
Regardless, it appears to me that the initials are WH and are on the inside, which causes me wonder whether they're for identification or WH actually made the belt(s).
 
So there are actually two belts with those initials?
Regardless, it appears to me that the initials are WH and are on the inside, which causes me wonder whether they're for identification or WH actually made the belt(s).
Not sure where you get there are two belts with those initials.

But your thought of the "maker" embossing or stamping the belts is interesting and I would have never thought of such...

I think as you say they appear to be on the inside of the the belt and to me that is obvious.

I don't though believe in a lot of coincidence and do believe the initials as you say are WH and that is CB's grandpa's initials. Live in the same home, an apparent hoarder and an accused SK and the belt was used in a murder.

The idea though it was the maker is an interesting one. However, I think if so, that would have been nailed by now by the public even if LE did not share such a finding.
 
Not sure where you get there are two belts with those initials.

But your thought of the "maker" embossing or stamping the belts is interesting and I would have never thought of such...

I think as you say they appear to be on the inside of the the belt and to me that is obvious.

I don't though believe in a lot of coincidence and do believe the initials as you say are WH and that is CB's grandpa's initials. Live in the same home, an apparent hoarder and an accused SK and the belt was used in a murder.

The idea though it was the maker is an interesting one. However, I think if so, that would have been nailed by now by the public even if LE did not share such a finding.
Well, I'd been under the impression that there was only one belt with initials but there are two pics that don't look the same to me and so I figured that there must be two belts with those same initials.

I meant if the belt wasn't store-bought, the initials could be of the person who made it.
 
Well, I'd been under the impression that there was only one belt with initials but there are two pics that don't look the same to me and so I figured that there must be two belts with those same initials.

I meant if the belt wasn't store-bought, the initials could be of the person who made it.
At my grandparents, the belts were apparently marked like that because there were 4 men in the house and they did that to identify each other's belt easily. The initials were on the inside of the belt on theirs.
 
Well, I'd been under the impression that there was only one belt with initials but there are two pics that don't look the same to me and so I figured that there must be two belts with those same initials.

I meant if the belt wasn't store-bought, the initials could be of the person who made it.
Well there were apparently three belts used on the victim but the pics I thought were said to be the ONE belt with the initials. Not sure then where you have seen two pics with initials that are different?

I do think it an interesting thought that he belt's initials may be by the "maker", like some artistry thing or craftsman/maker. Still, if that was the case, I think that would have been found out/known.
 

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