Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[Tresir]

I wanted to and intended to watch this live but the day got away from me and I forgot. I would have been commenting no doubt. I am watching it now after that fact and five to ten minutes in already SO interesting. Zeman is the creator of the Killing Field. They both were talking about this case eight to ten years ago when it seemed no one was talking to the sex workers (who would be the first to have a clue), seemed to be investigating these murders, etc. Touching on is Shannon a big coincidence, etc. Just interesting RIGHT off the bat almost.

Zeman pointed out for instannce with how big and weird CB is, he'd have come up had women etc. in the industry been asked of those who stood out, etc. Good point imo. Not that probably a lot of John's would be strange ducks but it's just a point being made of what they could have found out how many years ago, how sex workers weren't warned of an SK of sex workers, etc. and so on. And then a bit about Shannon and what to make of that...

Like I said I just started and am still listening but it's good already. Joe's show is about my top faves these days. Well Tom too but he only does Delphi.

Amber Costello's roommate reported him as a big ogre of a man and the description of the truck but it was completely ignored by LE for years. Cops weren't interested in it. Now we know that the Chief of Suffolk County's girlfriend ran a prostitution ring, it is all starting to make sense why it was not followed up.

 

[Regina]

I didn't look in depth but the side by side pics, I saw a black finished leather side and a brown side with the initials that would be not patent leather or whatever one wants to call it. if there was a pic of two black sides I missed it? And could be, I don't always get time to go into links and look at all, just looking at the side by side two photos in the post.

I also think they only ever put one belt out, the one with the initials. I do recall when they did such.

We know today of course there were three belts used on her but again it was only the one they apprised the public of as I recall and gave pics of.

So, not unusual for me lol, but a bit lost where you see two black sides to the belt and think the initials and the other side are a differen belt?

The ends are even the same in the rounding of it so back and front of the initialed belt and the one talked of and released (pics) imo.

Where is black side two I guess would be my question? Nowadays most belts generally are the same on both sides, factory manufactured, etc. Where I work we carry brown and black leather belts, a small selection and both sides are finished the same, not that you could flip them as the buckle works only one way but both sides are "finished" leather. Not fuzzy or soft on the underside. For lack of better words. I get mine on for work every once in awhile the wrong side up and go to buckle and find it's wrong lol as the buckle does not go both ways but the belt appears the same both sides.

To me this is an old belt, one like my dad would have had sans the initials. Quality. My dad I can't even believe it would be 100 in a couple of months if still alive.

This is CB's grandpa's belt I'm betting. Jmo. Of course he's a psychopathic, sociopathic whatever mad man and maybe he had initials embossed on some garage sale belt he bought to play games with LE. I am KIDDING and that's a real leap but just saying I think it's grandpa's. And I wonder and am VERY curious as to his family and the history. I've never seen so little found out by web people and searchers in a case of such magnitude. And that home was lived in by ALL of them down the line...

That first image is the same belt but if you'll scroll down a little, there's another image showing close-ups of the initials oriented two ways- which is actually the first image that was released re any belt with initials but anyway, those two images don't look to me like they show the same belt.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Amber Costello's roommate reported him as a big ogre of a man and the description of the truck but it was completely ignored by LE for years. Cops weren't interested in it. Now we know that the Chief of Suffolk County's girlfriend ran a prostitution ring, it is all starting to make sense why it was not followed up.

Oh for sure. I really tend to not think Burke was a murderer so much as covering up his own back yard and he wanted the feds nowhere near, etc. Not that he's not capable of violence, he beat the heck out of a cuffed prisoner who took his toys.

In this video which again was good imo, they actually pointed out that CB and the truck were only seen on the first occasion. On the second occasion of course, Amber walked away to meet him or who they figure was him. They also talked of how stupid of him to come back/follow up. They were saying how (I think I already said above) people thought this killer was smart, shrewd, etc. so who would expect him to do such stupid things... If I recall that meant being at her house and being seen and scammed by her and the bf, coming back, and they talked of other things where he just wasn't that smart.

Sad thing is how many years it took to catch him when they are saying how stupid he was just because of a bad administration, etc. run by Burke.

I'm not saying Burke couldn't be worse than just running prostitution, beating prisoners, using prostitutes himself, but I do think CB did these murders and likely alone. I havent' excluded his family knowing or even who knows, Burke, but I think he's the killer, and acted alone most likely.

You know, Tierney just recently again stressed how there's NO evidence at all to show anyone else involved, the family not being involved, etc. It bothers me some he does this. I keep saying and seeing no way they can say this as to the family quite simply because it is not known when the women were killed, if he kept them, etc. However, my thought is he wants NO chance of a defense trying to flip it onto someone else, the murders I mean, not onto Burke, Asa, daughter, etc. I mean look what defenses are doing or trying to do these days like with the Os in Delphi the big ridiculous conspiracy in Read and so on. I think this is why he does this is my guess. It tends to bother me when he does this in the sense of how can he say that or know and this woman profited and used or is suing or was anyhow the department so why defend her or get out there and say such, but my guess is that's the reason.

I mean finding more of her hairs than his had to be something they tried to ensure they could show it wasn't her but him by her and the kids being gone. And they were apparently although again as to when the murders actually happened who knows but it seems unlikely they were involved. I DO think they may have picked up on things, seen things over the years and so on. I mean his daughter has such dark interests aligning with torture and so on. Part of me thinks or speculates that Asa and he had a deal. You go ahead and do your thing hubby but when you do you pay to send me and the kids on a nice trip and I'll keep my mouth shut about your little hobby is how I tend to think on it. Also did she ever take a trip maybe that just son was along and his own daughter stayed with him maybe when young and she saw some things... That would explain later in life her darkness, etc. I mean HOW can they be sure all three were always on these trips. Airline tickets? It's probably not airline to just go to Jersey and so on.

Anyhow, I'm thinking KNOWLEDGE rather than involvement necessarily. Of course the hairs still bother me.

With Burke I think he was covering his own back yard and little business and ways.

HOWEVER, it was also said in this vid if I recall and we know it as well, LI was a hotbed of prostitution and such.Heck NYC is for that matter. They also though are both very large in population, not that each part of LI is.

You know, Zeman is a producer and more and I felt at times like the more interest generated with some thoughts might have to do with that at times but even so it was so interesting. They talk of how Shannon is either one big coincidence or related and of course most cops don't believe in coincidence as Zeman said he learned from cops like Joe, etc. I tend not to believe in coincidence too when it comes to crimes, MAYBE ONE possible, TWO gets me wondering and THREE, no way. It's kind of my bar for deciding in cases guilt of say a parent when a child is missing, a hub when a wife is murdered, etc. NOPE. Too many things to explain away, coincidences.

I thought it a pretty good watch. Zeman talks more than Joe who also is trying to cover of course his chat and run the program but still does talk and some good discussion.

I have NO eggs and am going to really miss my breakfast sandwich. I likely won't get any today either so none tomorrow morning either. Tomorrow night I am done before closing so as long as I tired bother shopping I can get all these things I am out of, at least what we sell. We don't have all groceries but do have many of the basics like milk and eggs and so on. Thinking what it will have to be for breakfast and I guess it's likely going to be a chicken strip or two. I'd rather make an egg McMuffin or McBagel as I'd call such.

You know had CB ate at home and never ordered in pizza lol... Oh they'd have got him regardless but just saying. He tried to be the smartest but was far from it as they say on this show and if ANYONE had truly tried back when, he'd likely have been caught a long time ago. They ALSO talk of his size and so on and if they had just talked to the sex workers community and so on back THEN.

Burke is guilty of a lot but I'm not convinced he actually murdered, etc. I'm not even sure he knew CB was murdering and just helped cover it up and so on. He was worried about his own "back yard" and dirty practices businesses, etc. That one I think we'd all agree on.

 

[GrandmaBear]

That first image is the same belt but if you'll scroll down a little, there's another image showing close-ups of the initials oriented two ways- which is actually the first image that was released re any belt with initials but anyway, those two images don't look to me like they show the same belt.

Okay. not great at it but just went back, found it and looked. I don't know. The other images with the initials don't show the belt itself really, the shape of it, etc. I mean. Of course the letters look blue and it looks like the
there is straw, reeds, or grass on the belt over the letters in places so guessing it is an evidence picture before anything is overly disturbed? I wouldn't say and not sure how one can that it isn't the same belt so much as I think it's a closeup? Some of the darker flecks look darker maybe than in the pics that show the shape of belt, etc. but i'm thinking it is before processed or some such. Letters are the same shape/font and so on.

Background colors etc. are the same except again maybe stronger, the brown with black flecks and the letters looking blue. I'm thinking this was out in the "field" or early on when wet, having grass or reeds on it, and taken off the victim at first perhaps OR when first about to to processed or readied for processing of DNA and such the other pics, the side by sides at the top of the article are later, and to be shown to to the public as the belt would have more actually looked for anyone to recognize it. I have no idea but don't have any real reason to think it's not the same belt and of course at trial and to a defense they'd have to be able to show it was, chain of custody and so on and it's far from their only evidence or even the main one to nail him.i

So what is it you think shows it is not the same belt? Or makes you think that? They don't show enough in the second set of the shape of belt nor the other side, they are close ups of the initials.

I guess I'm not following other than yes the letters look blue and the background a bit darker but again it's a closeup, etc. and hard to compare to the first ones. It still looks like a brown underside of a belt. What was provided to the public was I hopes of someone recognizing it. Basically nothing in this case through the years has been provided to the public as to evidence and it was for that purpose only imo. I'm sure they have far more pics of this belt than we've seen. They were trying to find/catch LISK or wouldn't have even released it imo.

That brings me to the thought that it wasn't just the public, they may well have thought one or more sex workers might recognize this belt. I mean undress and unbelting occurs for sex. Well I guess a man could always just open his fly and whip it out but I trust all know what I mean in that the maybe decided there was a good chance someone might recognize the initials which are certainly not straight normal font but curved. The font looks old school to me (I know font is probably not the correct word but close enough to know what I mean). Anyone have any thoughts on that? What is he and his grandpa, dad, at least in part, trying to recall? German? Heurmann.

 

[GrandmaBear]

how is Randi related to the LISK case? or penn and teller? did you stop in, not post and then forget what thread you were on is my guess?

 

[Tresir]

how is Randi related to the LISK case? or penn and teller? did you stop in, not post and then forget what thread you were on is my guess?

He is posting irrelevant stuff on the Read thread too. He has reposted tons of posts from early on - three pages of it so far.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

He is posting irrelevant stuff on the Read thread too. He has reposted tons of posts from early on - three pages of it so far.

I posted in the wrong thread.

 

[Regina]

Okay. not great at it but just went back, found it and looked. I don't know. The other images with the initials don't show the belt itself really, the shape of it, etc. I mean. Of course the letters look blue and it looks like the
there is straw, reeds, or grass on the belt over the letters in places so guessing it is an evidence picture before anything is overly disturbed? I wouldn't say and not sure how one can that it isn't the same belt so much as I think it's a closeup? Some of the darker flecks look darker maybe than in the pics that show the shape of belt, etc. but i'm thinking it is before processed or some such. Letters are the same shape/font and so on.

Background colors etc. are the same except again maybe stronger, the brown with black flecks and the letters looking blue. I'm thinking this was out in the "field" or early on when wet, having grass or reeds on it, and taken off the victim at first perhaps OR when first about to to processed or readied for processing of DNA and such the other pics, the side by sides at the top of the article are later, and to be shown to to the public as the belt would have more actually looked for anyone to recognize it. I have no idea but don't have any real reason to think it's not the same belt and of course at trial and to a defense they'd have to be able to show it was, chain of custody and so on and it's far from their only evidence or even the main one to nail him.i

So what is it you think shows it is not the same belt? Or makes you think that? They don't show enough in the second set of the shape of belt nor the other side, they are close ups of the initials.

I guess I'm not following other than yes the letters look blue and the background a bit darker but again it's a closeup, etc. and hard to compare to the first ones. It still looks like a brown underside of a belt. What was provided to the public was I hopes of someone recognizing it. Basically nothing in this case through the years has been provided to the public as to evidence and it was for that purpose only imo. I'm sure they have far more pics of this belt than we've seen. They were trying to find/catch LISK or wouldn't have even released it imo.

That brings me to the thought that it wasn't just the public, they may well have thought one or more sex workers might recognize this belt. I mean undress and unbelting occurs for sex. Well I guess a man could always just open his fly and whip it out but I trust all know what I mean in that the maybe decided there was a good chance someone might recognize the initials which are certainly not straight normal font but curved. The font looks old school to me (I know font is probably not the correct word but close enough to know what I mean). Anyone have any thoughts on that? What is he and his grandpa, dad, at least in part, trying to recall? German? Heurmann.

Both the material and the initials just looks different to me.
Yeah, the font is interesting; to me, it looks western, you know, cowboy-style, lol!

 

[GrandmaBear]

He is posting irrelevant stuff on the Read thread too. He has reposted tons of posts from early on - three pages of it so far.

I know how it can be. As you know I've been in Delphi when seems like the repeat button is stuck.

And he has theories in both and that's going to make for it I'm sure. I've also been in Read. I've avoided both many a time for similar reasons.

Read is innocent in his opinion and in Delphi Ron Logan is guilty Both threads get very close to becoming a one sided show of the truth or all evidence, filings, testimony and so forth. Not by only him. And that's anyone's right, but I am going to call such out and give another side when that happens or point out it is happening or say that only defense filings are being shared, etc. And I also leave until seeing the need to do that again. Read not so much or as much. Never been a pet case of mine.

So he isn't the only one but as far as someone who gets stuck on repeat, that would be him. Sorry emu it's true. I also think it's intentional. Anyhow, here I'm surprised there weren't 50 Penn and Teller posts once he did one.

I can't talk without being a hypocrite of going on and even off topic and sure I've posted in the wrong thread, usually realize it and remove it. However, I don't unless someone wants specific info come back and repost every single link I've put up 100 times already in the last month or all have already seen unless someone wants something specific, can't recall, is new or asked. Sorry again emu.

Karen Read killed her bf imo. Been my stance, have looked at the bulk of it and I will always think that. I DO not dispute whether they proved that, the investigation and more have some big problems. I have my reasons that are enough for me though when one clears all the other b.s. No one seems to even entertain that in that thread and that's fine. Regina would be the only one other than I when I've been in. I'm NOT saying I could have convicted her of 2nd degree murder but I find enough for manslaughter. I did before the trial and what was the one they couldn't decide but was quite a balance in the one direction...

As for Delphi, we've all heard his same reasons a million times. Then we have Olenna when she does pop in only giving a very one sided and sometimes false thing of defense filings or as if the ISC decided when they had not etc. Yahhhhh....

You know, in Daybell, there isn't much disagreement as to who and guilt but we all vary and have on some things over the years. I don't see mental issues, I see conniving, self centered, cons. In the first years so many even OUT there online too though Chad was led by Lori and was just some dumb married man who had a blonde that wanted him. That changed as it should have as he was instrumental as all came to know more. I guess what I mean is that's a case no one really doubts who were the main killers or leaders of those told to kill, etc. and so it can be discussed but just with questions on other players, whether Lori was truly mentally unstable, etc.

In Delphi and Read, well, and both for different reasons, not the same at all. Even here in LISK, not sure most are even following it and it's such a big case but in Read, people have gotten so far past it is like wow. And in Delphi, I feel an agenda at times. Let's hail the D. LOL. Interesting though.

So now I'm going a bit sideways but anyhow, yeah in here emu isn't posting tons of irrelevant sh*t but wait until he has time... He's had the interest in the dirty cops thing and what back when but he's been busy with Read and I can only hope he has not lost it. I went in when you said this and see that once you said quit posting it if for you, etc. he purposely did tons of posts saying more, and more, and more, and more. And beyond with more of the same.

Emu that isn't cool. Doubt you will get reprimanded or told by anyone or even a timeout. You are very special after all, you can do and talk things I guess as a platinum member...

Maybe I should just go find cooking websites, etc. and drop crime. Have thought about it. But then it's like it just matters to me and is just in me and a need. However, doesn't mean I can't avoid a thread and I have at times. Delphi for awhile there (despite defense stunts) was just so overdone to where there was no reason to be in there rehashing anything and certainly not Logan or ONCE maybe. Not 100 times. Waiting for trial is what I've been saying for months and others too. No answers are going to come before that and what does come is from the D and if true, then why need to suppress all? Etc.

So yeah Tresir, guessing you had some fill of him? Never been there (lie). He can be a very good guy though but in recent months and year maybe well noticing a lot of this kind of thing. He enjoys it imo. Baiting for instance... One way or another, if someone says enough already, I've already talked about this umpteen times with you, he gets a reaction. If you say stop posting irrelevant stuff, he then purposely goes and posts 25 times it.

I may hear about it from him or anyone for saying this but yeah, anyone can go see it...

Consider the fact he doesn't know whether to identify as an emu or a man. I mean right there, well....

He can be nice. Even fun. Been awhile since I've seen that though. Some would probably say the same about me, not a lot of time these days to just joke or end up in a Barbie Massacre or even do the basement.

End of my work week. Can ya all tell? Long post.

When I saw the Penn and Teller thing here, I was tired and my first thought was what, they had someone on or some show that relates to LISK?? I mean did he magically escape due to their teachings? Did they help him escape due to some teaching to trick authorities? DO THEY KNOW HIM, now this is good, they are Vegas entertainers and Penn and Teller? VEGAS shows. Believe me all these thoughts were one blip of a second and then I thought okay he didn't post in here but must have been in here reading and then when he came back he went to post Penn and Teller and meant it to go in the basement because there's hundreds of not more in there. I quickly figured WITHOUT looking at the video that was the case--it was before work and wouldn't have watched it and pretty quickly knew it was a post in the wrong thread. ALMOST instantly. But hey, Rex has a home in Vegas or time share or whatever it was.

EMU maybe you should pursue that for awhile. Penn and Teller may well have been good friends with him...

Okay. Is that enough of a long and wandering post.

I have no platinum membership but I think his going overboard when you said something of finding every single thing he could repost in the thread just because of your comment is clearly intentional. I went in and looked and did not have to go back far.

He's passionate about that case, I guess I'll give him that. He was talking of it before there was a thread or ANYONE I know of followed it.

Personally I think more than a few need to go down or face things, but on both sides.

And she is just something else imo. I admit bias there. She is so inappropriate and she showed plenty to me that she did this. I think most likely Proctor or even some they'd tried to help that or prove it and instead helped give ammo for the things she and her attorney played. She admitted it for God's sake. She was hysterical because she knew. There's plenty of clearing the smoke.

What really bothered me is when I'd ask about any of the prosecution's witnesses, no one would tell me but claimed to be watching the whole trial. I ASKED what his niece and nephew had to say, more than once. Nope. No answer. I finally heard it elsewhere. But IF it was something that helped the Karen Read nutty fan club and her Cali atty, then yeah shared no problem. No one said I couldn't be looking into it rather than having an opinion or agreeing, but if it didn't fit THAT thing, and there WAS actually some testimony that was damning to her, no one would tell ya.

Of course I think it was Summer did start posting just day's coverage which was a lot more unbiased. Just official news coverage, etc. Again not a pet case for me but certainly came to know enough and plenty.

I have my own theory as to the investigative side of it and as to why and it isn't just that they were incompetent small town whatever cops. And personally I think it makes more sense than either side imo stupidly tried to prove and went too far one way in her innocence and some huge conspiracy with the D and her guilt and overcharging the other way.

There should be just a general thread of talking all cases most follow. I think I tried that because it happens and not just by me when talking in one thread about others.

Anyhow, yeah my long one for the night.

Emu I haven't let you know in awhile but Little Turd wants to meet up with Kevin but Mel is scared to meet me I think. @Mel70

 

[Kimster]

I’m going to drop this at random and it doesn’t necessarily mean I’m talking about the post above. I’m not looking to see which one is the post above. Some posts in this thread have been privately brought to my attention. We just need to remember to talk about the case and not each other. I have learned in the past that the best way to do that is to eliminate the word “you” from some of my case opinions.

Nuff Said. Thank you.

 

[Tresir]

Rex Heuermann's arrest in the Gilgo Beach murders was 1 year ago. His neighbors are still trying to get back to normal.

Saturday marks one year since the arrest of alleged Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann. Since then, it's been a whirlwind of cameras and crowds for his family and the small Long Island community of Massapequa Park.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

Rex Heuermann's arrest in the Gilgo Beach murders was 1 year ago. His neighbors are still trying to get back to normal.

Saturday marks one year since the arrest of alleged Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann. Since then, it's been a whirlwind of cameras and crowds for his family and the small Long Island community of Massapequa Park.

www.cbsnews.com

Her and her documentary. I hope they go broke on the production. I'll never watch it or help them with viewership.

Yeah I'm sure it's no great fun for the neighbors. Too bad no one saw what he was up to years ago and turned him in.

You know I'm assuming he brought the women to the home alive. I assume so because he talked about getting more play time, torture time in other words...

So did he hire them and they were willing to go to his home out in LI with him? Or did he somehow subdue them in the vehicle, drive them to his home, I'd guess he had to have entered a garage (it did have one I think, a single wasn't it?) and this is how he got them past neighbors...?

Otherwise and minimum the neighbors would think he was screwing around on Asa when she was gone.

I guess it goes with the job but why would you get into a car with a strange man or go to is home? HE77 work from a hotel room, at least there's other people nearby. If the guy won't go to one, there's something wrong and that he has planned...

Do we KNOW what got them the further search warrant? Many thought they found something at Manorville but I think too it may have been that manifesto because it's basically implying he had them in his home. Doesn't really say it if I recall but does talk about wanting time to torture and such...

Also are court filings public in this case or are they sealed? I can't recall

 

[Tresir]

Her and her documentary. I hope they go broke on the production. I'll never watch it or help them with viewership.

Yeah I'm sure it's no great fun for the neighbors. Too bad no one saw what he was up to years ago and turned him in.

You know I'm assuming he brought the women to the home alive. I assume so because he talked about getting more play time, torture time in other words...

So did he hire them and they were willing to go to his home out in LI with him? Or did he somehow subdue them in the vehicle, drive them to his home, I'd guess he had to have entered a garage (it did have one I think, a single wasn't it?) and this is how he got them past neighbors...?

Otherwise and minimum the neighbors would think he was screwing around on Asa when she was gone.

I guess it goes with the job but why would you get into a car with a strange man or go to is home? HE77 work from a hotel room, at least there's other people nearby. If the guy won't go to one, there's something wrong and that he has planned...

Do we KNOW what got them the further search warrant? Many thought they found something at Manorville but I think too it may have been that manifesto because it's basically implying he had them in his home. Doesn't really say it if I recall but does talk about wanting time to torture and such...

Also are court filings public in this case or are they sealed? I can't recall

I think it was part of the swinging thing he did initially and then the using of Craigs list mentioned by first wife that got him the escorts and they take risks getting into cars all the time with clients, as we know. The oldest one he has been charged with goes back to the 90's and they think he was getting ready to do it again and they arrested him early IIRC. So he has been at it for decades. I do not understand how the neighbours did not ever get wind of any of it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think it was part of the swinging thing he did initially and then the using of Craigs list mentioned by first wife that got him the escorts and they take risks getting into cars all the time with clients, as we know. The oldest one he has been charged with goes back to the 90's and they think he was getting ready to do it again and they arrested him early IIRC. So he has been at it for decades. I do not understand how the neighbours did not ever get wind of any of it.

I know they do, take such risks. Just saying they could do it smarter but then I also have to recall the girls wouldn't have known all these girls were dying either and being dumped on LI. Still, I guess I just mean as we also all know, the profession is inherently risky, and let's be honest, getting into it to begin with, and those things just add to the risks, like getting into a vehicle. There isn't a single person who'd use a sex worker imo who's a good guy.

But then Shannon was smart enough to have a driver and she still died. Although personally I feel he set her up. Just an opinion I have in hers. And that's if he was not even more like a pimp.

That's what I thought too about being arrested early, and what I thought was said, but more recently it was said that they were just getting worried like other cops would spill the beans at a picnic and it was just becoming hard to keep a lid on is how I took it and nervous they'd lose their chance, it would get messed up, blow up, etc. Just the Grand Jury convening too and so on. So not sure which it is there but yes it was made to sound he bought another burner phone and was showing the signs...

You know if he ends up with more than ten or even twenty in the NY area, I will wait to see if the family was gone for all of them. The fact she divorced him, knew enough to protect their assets doing that, doesn't line u p with me for her being dumb enough to believe he is innocent at this point. Something is just wrong there. Not sure what, but it is.

That's kind of what I mean about the neighbors too. I mean if true, Vergata was running around outside naked and IF true, Asa was definitely home for THAT one. And what about the years LISK was KNOWN of and the murders all known to have happened on LI. Are these just neighbors that don't care about anything but their own bubble, I don't mean to insult them, but it is a bit hard to believe... He had to have been coming home with sex workers... And then even probably be home for how long torturing and then going out probably at night to dump them...

I know if I saw a girl running around a home naked, I'd be calling 911 at minimum. But who knows. Maybe many keep their blinds closed to the neighboring house side or all sides. Or just wouldn't report anything regardless. You'd think in a nice neighborhood you would, especially going on at the only rundown home around.

You know thought there are people who will walk by a murder, stabbing, person having a heart attack on the street. I've never understood such types but again just staying out of things and protecting their own bubble. I am NOT saying the neighbors were like this, only a possibility but then even after the fact, none seemed to know other that on or two sayin he was weird, had fires I th ink and some other things, and not very social and so forth but I think that even only came from like one.

That was my point that I think he got them in there through the garage probably but again if the Vergata story was true now that's a bit beyond to ignore if seen, although they'd maybe know she was home and more had been seen and it was perhaps some swinging/orgy thing. Seriously., i'ts just weird though. However, I don't want to blame or mean to, the neighbors other than most people would be paying attention to what is going on next door to them. Kind of puzzling for sure.

You know, they linked now to a different time period and now I am waiting for them to link at least one to a different state in which they were killed... Because I think it is THAT big and he was that prolific. And Vergata. I have to remind myself to this day that we do not know this to be true. They've absolutely not verified one bit of the story to the public. Again, to this day. And they'v head time to vet it and see if anything can be corroborated.

 

[Tresir]

I know they do, take such risks. Just saying they could do it smarter but then I also have to recall the girls wouldn't have known all these girls were dying either and being dumped on LI. Still, I guess I just mean as we also all know, the profession is inherently risky, and let's be honest, getting into it to begin with, and those things just add to the risks, like getting into a vehicle. There isn't a single person who'd use a sex worker imo who's a good guy.

But then Shannon was smart enough to have a driver and she still died. Although personally I feel he set her up. Just an opinion I have in hers. And that's if he was not even more like a pimp.

That's what I thought too about being arrested early, and what I thought was said, but more recently it was said that they were just getting worried like other cops would spill the beans at a picnic and it was just becoming hard to keep a lid on is how I took it and nervous they'd lose their chance, it would get messed up, blow up, etc. Just the Grand Jury convening too and so on. So not sure which it is there but yes it was made to sound he bought another burner phone and was showing the signs...

You know if he ends up with more than ten or even twenty in the NY area, I will wait to see if the family was gone for all of them. The fact she divorced him, knew enough to protect their assets doing that, doesn't line u p with me for her being dumb enough to believe he is innocent at this point. Something is just wrong there. Not sure what, but it is.

That's kind of what I mean about the neighbors too. I mean if true, Vergata was running around outside naked and IF true, Asa was definitely home for THAT one. And what about the years LISK was KNOWN of and the murders all known to have happened on LI. Are these just neighbors that don't care about anything but their own bubble, I don't mean to insult them, but it is a bit hard to believe... He had to have been coming home with sex workers... And then even probably be home for how long torturing and then going out probably at night to dump them...

I know if I saw a girl running around a home naked, I'd be calling 911 at minimum. But who knows. Maybe many keep their blinds closed to the neighboring house side or all sides. Or just wouldn't report anything regardless. You'd think in a nice neighborhood you would, especially going on at the only rundown home around.

You know thought there are people who will walk by a murder, stabbing, person having a heart attack on the street. I've never understood such types but again just staying out of things and protecting their own bubble. I am NOT saying the neighbors were like this, only a possibility but then even after the fact, none seemed to know other that on or two sayin he was weird, had fires I th ink and some other things, and not very social and so forth but I think that even only came from like one.

That was my point that I think he got them in there through the garage probably but again if the Vergata story was true now that's a bit beyond to ignore if seen, although they'd maybe know she was home and more had been seen and it was perhaps some swinging/orgy thing. Seriously., i'ts just weird though. However, I don't want to blame or mean to, the neighbors other than most people would be paying attention to what is going on next door to them. Kind of puzzling for sure.

You know, they linked now to a different time period and now I am waiting for them to link at least one to a different state in which they were killed... Because I think it is THAT big and he was that prolific. And Vergata. I have to remind myself to this day that we do not know this to be true. They've absolutely not verified one bit of the story to the public. Again, to this day. And they'v head time to vet it and see if anything can be corroborated.

There are a few things that tie up in that affidavit though, 1. his wife would have been pregnant at the time, 2. Karen went missing on Valentines day 3. Karen was released from prison at that time. 4. The cop boyfriend getting hold of a prostitute coming out of jail and down on her luck. 5 the woman identified her as Karen. 6. Karen was never seen again for over 25 years, till she was finally identified.

 

[GrandmaBear]

There are a few things that tie up in that affidavit though, 1. his wife would have been pregnant at the time, 2. Karen went missing on Valentines day 3. Karen was released from prison at that time. 4. The cop boyfriend getting hold of a prostitute coming out of jail and down on her luck. 5 the woman identified her as Karen. 6. Karen was never seen again for over 25 years, till she was finally identified.

Oh I'm not saying it's not true and it seems more likely than not, but she could have known of some of these things through other sources and I just wish LE would say if they've corroborated her story. What's the hold up? And Tierney just recently again if I recall stressed how the family/Asa is not involved. Well she was home when Karen was there if they know that to be true by now, so?

You know, I try never to go 100% unless we have absolute proof in crimes, etc. I'd say I'm' at about 85 percent, maybe a bit more. Has no one else come forward that ever did swinging even with the Heuermann's to corroborate this this way.

You know, she COULD be mistaken on the date and the person. She's probably not but it's possible.

I just WISH they'd corroborate it and tell us. It would also mean Asa was darned well involved because if it's true, she was home that weekend when Karen was terrified and running, etc.

Also, not a single neighbor or car passing saw a naked woman outside in the winter? I guess it's POSSIBLE but I'm just saying I'm not at 100 percent. You'd think she would have ran toward a neighbors or even the road...

And then here apparently peering out the window as they left. Were CB and wife just letting her? Again odd.

Because of the history of this case and the problems with the old administration, etc. failing to be on the up and up or caring even about it or Gilbert, I know Tierney is different but I can't help but wonder if this cop is being covered up for. I mean HE brought her there, he LEFT her there with CB and wife and even told the woman he or they were just playing a "game". He delivered her to her torturer and killer if all true...

Also, Tierney isn't the investigator, I have to remember, he's the D.A.

 

[Tresir]

Significance of the dog bed DNA could be to link the out of state murders so that the DP would be in play.

(I don't think this has been linked before has it?)

Dog bed DNA could put death penalty into play for Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann – here's how: cold case expert

Police searching Rex Heuermann's house could be seeking evidence tied to cases outside of New York, which could have a major impact on his case, experts say.

www.foxnews.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

Significance of the dog bed DNA could be to link the out of state murders so that the DP would be in play.

(I don't think this has been linked before has it?)

Dog bed DNA could put death penalty into play for Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann – here's how: cold case expert

Police searching Rex Heuermann's house could be seeking evidence tied to cases outside of New York, which could have a major impact on his case, experts say.

www.foxnews.com

It isn't ringing any bells for me. I know they've talked DP if they get another murder in a state that has it, maybe not LE but people and talking heads and so on have mentioned such. Maybe the DA has, don't think so though.

I haven't read it but even the dog bed connecting with such a thought isn't ringing any bells. Maybe I'll take a look although I should be in bed. I am so not tired yet though. That will backfire on me when I have to get up in a few hours. Not unusual though. I never seem to get on here or be able to when anyone is on to discuss either. Not that there's always activity on all when cases are quiet and so on. But when there is, I'm never on at the same time as anyone generally.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Significance of the dog bed DNA could be to link the out of state murders so that the DP would be in play.

(I don't think this has been linked before has it?)

Dog bed DNA could put death penalty into play for Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann – here's how: cold case expert

Police searching Rex Heuermann's house could be seeking evidence tied to cases outside of New York, which could have a major impact on his case, experts say.

www.foxnews.com

Okay maybe it was or at least I saw Joe on because I recall his remark of the F B I playing the long game. And I watch any show of his I see, he's one of my current faves. I didn't recall the dog bed part but recall the talk of if another state then the feds get involved, etc. I don't know if I linked here but do imagine if I got it from his own show that I talked of just the fed part, DP and so on. IF I had time I would have I'm sure. OR I saw this article. I seem to recall him saying it though so probably on his show. I don't know lol.

Only read part so far but it's all ringing bells.

You know it was huge when the connected older cases showing this was likely one SK and not two, HIM, and if they could next get one out of state it would be HUGE. Not that of course they still shouldn't be on Vergata and Peaches and others but it would be a good way for the first several of them to go. I mean if CB doesn't give up at that point, there is no winning for him imo. He probably won't and Asa will keep saying she believes in him lol but he and his attorney would have a REAL mess of cases to deal with. Different eras, different stats and then the feds and other jurisdictions, different time frames. It would be a WOW. Any added case is of course but get one out of state I HAVE been hoping for.

Just read enough to recall it but need to finish reading. And maybe even the dog bed is coming back, not sure but I definitely recall the other remarks.

 

[GrandmaBear]

yeah I am recalling all of it. the unicorn remark by the other guy, etc. even so, whether posted here or not, the dog bed part I had forgotten about. just talking I think he was of possibiilities. I recall more of Joe's remarks re fed involvement too, that they don't do the DP too often but not unheard of, etc. so pretty sure I've seen it. regardless the dog bed part is an interesting thing to think of. of course hairs could also relate to any case BUT it depends on which dog, time frame or if they kept the same bed through more than one dog too. it's ringing a faint bell now.

I also recall, this much I do, where much they removed on the last search was covered, unseen, etc., the dog bed was seen. Not sure why.

This is LE and there could be strategy reasons for it too. Worry CB, worry Asa in they have dog hairs on a victim now lol.

Can also be to get the public talking. Why cover everything other than a thing or two...

I don't know if he's up but I'm sure others probably are in the county and so on and it is an election year too. It's all good talk and positive buzz on the job they are doing. Unless CB can come up with some conspiracy or Odinist thing or his lawyer can, I don't see him getting out of all these charges and eventual convictions. I don't see it in the others I'm referring to either but I sure don't in this one. Best he will have is maybe Asa can find a way with her new wealth and she will likely go for more is to keep him in butter... I wonder how he really does in there... I mean this is a creep that was used to doing as he liked, taking what he liked, self important, hurting who he liked...

He is in jail not prison but its a NY jail. Can't recall but I imagine he's kept away from others for own safety and opposite. He's very large so if around others probably doesn't deal with too much trouble but he also is no buff muscled guy and picked on far smaller people and women and so on as far as we know.

I think at some point we heard he reads, maybe said does crosswords, and not a lot else and so on. Wrote Happy Face back, wanted to now if prison has butter lol. It isn't funny what HE DID that even though not convicted I think we can be pretty confident on but not surprised he misses creature comforts and such would be food. I mean pizza got him in there... EAT your crusts if you are murdering people!!

Okay finally getting a bit of the yawns. My first alarm is set just a couple of hours from now. I wish they'd quit the back to back shifts. I guess I could ask for otherwise, I know others do but some of that's seniority and they are cutting hours and being more widely available is what I've always offered. And I do need SOME times I am done early so I can grab groceries in the store. One can't do that after closing. And so I plan that around the one or two days every week I might have an early day. Other errands if necessary after work as well as I hate to go out on the days off. I need every moment of them to recover. I do run on occasion on the 1/2 hour lunch for some errands BUT man this summer every time I do traffic is nuts and I hit ten red lights, etc. Last time I did, I said go back to doing it after work when you end before closing. I think at 5 like tomorrow (not that I'm doing that but do have to grab things at the store as it is my only early day this week, I think traffic would be as bad but at least I wouldn't have to worry that I will be back I'm time to punch back in. Sometimes, rarely, I wonder if I should have done the retail thing, but I was really tired of decades of office mgt. I thought it would be easier as to stress and in some ways it is but not in all ways. And I do like that I get to talk to customers and a lot of people. I worked for small companies through the years of office and while there was some of that, one place had almost no clients ever in, that's how we moved it to working out of our respective homes because it didn't affect such, and then the one I held after that for two years was a place that had sales and truck drivers in and some customers for the smaller sideline of the business, truck drivers were for the big main thing, and a LOT of phone contact with calls but it was highly stressful and full of multitasking. That was the last one before I didn't work for a few years because I THOUGHT I'd stay married. Anywho, idle chit chat there just wasn't time for and even in this retail one, there isn't always but there's enough, you greet customers, handle their questions of where things are, their returns, whatever. And get moments to talk. I love that part. And no, I am not a Walmart greeter or anything like that lol. And not always, but once in awhile when slow you get sent out to do something different. I worked on the floor before taking this FT position and so I know how to do some of those things without giving more detail.

Now I'm not tired again,. Gol darn it.

I can't go with no sleep. I never do that. I do often enough go with just a couple of hours.

Anyhow, I know off topic. CB can sleep all day but then can he? I mean jails and prisons have gotten too relaxed imo but I'd assume they still have to be up at what time and in bed by what time but who knows...Tablets, almost constant contact with being able to call people, etc., I personally disagree with all of that. Other than when they get caught saying too much and it is used as evidence in a case. Just a lack of butter.

For anyone who followed the Berreth (victim), Frazee trial (perp) but SO IS KRYSTAL who got off with NOTHING, when he was in county and how many years ago is this now, it was when I first came here to the old site, they got a weekly pizza night and I don't mean county sheriff's department pizza, they actually went out and got the inmate's pizza or one deputy was sent or some such. I think it was Fridays. IMO this is bullsh*t.

You know I GUESS I am not so bad as to say it should only be bread and water, I mean they have to be alive for trial, and I also get people are not convicted yet at this point, but it isn't supposed to be a place you might actually ending up WANTING to go, free roof, tablet, your own TV, pizza night, etc.

Thank God there's no butter.

Thought I'd end on a lighter note. Mean to be anyhow other than I really do mean it should not be a place people aspire to go to.. Hey say you have no home, some are going to say why not...Or I could see it anyhow... NOT that I mean most would ever really want that but going out and getting purchased pizzas?? I forget if it was Domino's, Litttle Caesars or from where but it's b.s. You have cooks, you serve three a day, MAKE one. Or maybe it was cooks night off on Fridays or something,. No reason to think that though in any of the story. Have one on or make sandwiches ahead of time. I'm sure that's NOT the reason, it's for a TREAT.

I don't even disagree with you know some institution turkey and mashed taters on T Day but I do disagree with some of this stuff big time. I do get it may help keep trouble down IF used as an incentive that can be taken away. TVs in your own cell and such, really not sure I agree with. Not everywhere is like that yet from the cases I've seen but plenty are.

Trying to talk myself back to tired I guess. Oh finally a yawn again, lost them for awhile.

I never even got to YT tonight, unheard of for me, usually I put something on and then come catch up here. Think I am close other than there might be a couple with new posts that aren't ones I do or try not to, etc.

I don't think there was except maybe one, not even sure of that.

ANYHOW I try to tie back even my kind of off topic back. I could live without butter although I do use it and prefer it for some things, I even fry my eggs in it if I don't have bacon grease and I probably don't need it but I wouldn't die from not having it. I wonder if butter is some SK code lol. Inmate code.

It sure otherwise makes CB a creature comfort type. Imo. It is still WEIRD in this case how first families of SKs flocked to ASA and then the actual SK wrote to CB.

I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.

And then all went silent totally. Disappeared off their platforms, etc., haven't heard of more between Happy and CB and so on. Asa didn't go silent but that support did...

Just thoughts. None of these are real active all the time unless something new happens and it helps me tire and also keeps me recalling things although I sure do forget them too.

I tell myself it is from little time, little sleep and packing in too much in the time I have.

Had no dinner or anything much since breakfast today but that's often these kind of back to backs. I NEED to go to bed so not down to two hours of sleep but a glass of choc milk fills me and generally that does the final tired.

I wonder how badly CB also missing his SK books and those by the profiler... He probably doesn't dare request such reading material,. No plotting to do unless he dreams of getting out and his next victim. Or how to get butter.

I have talked on long enough and sorry again for the length but mostly about the case and it clears things that come about the case, him, etc. to me. I wish I had more hours in a day. Some would probably say thank goodness you don't.

I have my choc milk if I get even finished with it before being beyond tired, that sometimes happens.

This case is going to keep bringing for years on end imo. Cases. However one wants to put it. It may get quiet and be dull at times but I think he was very prolific and I have little doubt he murdered in other states. Jmo.

however over all those years on end, prosecutors will change, LE will, etc. or very possibly will. HOPEFULLY if and when they do, NONE will be anything but diligent from here on out with this one. Or any for that matter but we shall see. We've seen the b.s. before.

I miss everyone. Goodnight all. Shortly. A check to see if caught up on the ones I follow.