Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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At my grandparents, the belts were apparently marked like that because there were 4 men in the house and they did that to identify each other's belt easily. The initials were on the inside of the belt on theirs.
I can see such a thing from back in the day and think I may have mentioned such. I agree it's on the inside/underside of the belt. I see no indication nor have any feeling this is a female's belt and feel it to be a quality probably but basic belt from back in the day, as you refer to, as in a grandparents' era.

And I believe it likely to be CB's grandpa's belt who holds the initials WH.
 
Well there were apparently three belts used on the victim but the pics I thought were said to be the ONE belt with the initials. Not sure then where you have seen two pics with initials that are different?

I do think it an interesting thought that he belt's initials may be by the "maker", like some artistry thing or craftsman/maker. Still, if that was the case, I think that would have been found out/known.
The pics are in the nypost.com article in post #2110.

I was thinking that the grandfather could have been the craftsman.
Or, I suppose the belt could have been a personalized gift to the grandfather.
(There was an uncle who was a Junior but regardless, I think it's most likely that the belt was the grandfather's.)
 
The pics are in the nypost.com article in post #2110.

I was thinking that the grandfather could have been the craftsman.
Or, I suppose the belt could have been a personalized gift to the grandfather.
(There was an uncle who was a Junior but regardless, I think it's most likely that the belt was the grandfather's.)
Post 2110 and thank your for the # as I could easily go see if it was referring to the one I thought it was, to me is a back side and front side of the same belt, shape, etc. Not of two belts. Which is pretty much what we've been talking of imo or discussing or at least it's what I think I've been talking of.

Grandpa as craftsman is interesting too. And interesting thought.

I do think as you do it is likely grandpa's.

I recall us (my mom, us kids) buying my dad an engraving tool becoming a thing when I was a child). This isn't engraving but more like embossed, stamped, etc. So I think about such because it was more of a thing I think back in the day. To initial and personalize. My dad was older and almost 40 when they had me and then my youngest sis. I am CB's age or close and so yes, his grandpa could have well had an initialed belt. Or even crafted it as you suggest, that one is up in the air but I do think it's his grandpa's belt. Most likely. And his own wife's hair was found on it.

I don't think this is two belts in the pics though?

It is back side and front side would you agree?
 
Post 2110 and thank your for the # as I could easily go see if it was referring to the one I thought it was, to me is a back side and front side of the same belt, shape, etc. Not of two belts. Which is pretty much what we've been talking of imo or discussing or at least it's what I think I've been talking of.

Grandpa as craftsman is interesting too. And interesting thought.

I do think as you do it is likely grandpa's.

I recall us (my mom, us kids) buying my dad an engraving tool becoming a thing when I was a child). This isn't engraving but more like embossed, stamped, etc. So I think about such because it was more of a thing I think back in the day. To initial and personalize. My dad was older and almost 40 when they had me and then my youngest sis. I am CB's age or close and so yes, his grandpa could have well had an initialed belt. Or even crafted it as you suggest, that one is up in the air but I do think it's his grandpa's belt. Most likely. And his own wife's hair was found on it.

I don't think this is two belts in the pics though?

It is back side and front side would you agree?
Well, I see both sides of a black belt but those close-ups of the initials don't look to me like it's the same belt.
 
Well, I see both sides of a black belt but those close-ups of the initials don't look to me like it's the same belt.
I didn't look in depth but the side by side pics, I saw a black finished leather side and a brown side with the initials that would be not patent leather or whatever one wants to call it. if there was a pic of two black sides I missed it? And could be, I don't always get time to go into links and look at all, just looking at the side by side two photos in the post.

I also think they only ever put one belt out, the one with the initials. I do recall when they did such.

We know today of course there were three belts used on her but again it was only the one they apprised the public of as I recall and gave pics of.

So, not unusual for me lol, but a bit lost where you see two black sides to the belt and think the initials and the other side are a differen belt?

The ends are even the same in the rounding of it so back and front of the initialed belt and the one talked of and released (pics) imo.

Where is black side two I guess would be my question? Nowadays most belts generally are the same on both sides, factory manufactured, etc. Where I work we carry brown and black leather belts, a small selection and both sides are finished the same, not that you could flip them as the buckle works only one way but both sides are "finished" leather. Not fuzzy or soft on the underside. For lack of better words. I get mine on for work every once in awhile the wrong side up and go to buckle and find it's wrong lol as the buckle does not go both ways but the belt appears the same both sides.

To me this is an old belt, one like my dad would have had sans the initials. Quality. My dad I can't even believe it would be 100 in a couple of months if still alive.

This is CB's grandpa's belt I'm betting. Jmo. Of course he's a psychopathic, sociopathic whatever mad man and maybe he had initials embossed on some garage sale belt he bought to play games with LE. I am KIDDING and that's a real leap but just saying I think it's grandpa's. And I wonder and am VERY curious as to his family and the history. I've never seen so little found out by web people and searchers in a case of such magnitude. And that home was lived in by ALL of them down the line...
 
yeah, not a big deal disagreeing about the belt. I really don't see your theory. I mean I get how bad Burke looks but just think that's a reach and would have to have several things come together. Also I just don't think the initialed cop is Burke, and the gf I don't think was a madam or never got that impression but who knows.

Burke is bad news but I tend to think he just didn't want the feds in his back yard finding out about his own activities and proclivities. It took some doing to catch CB and I just don't think they investigated sh*t back when to have any clue who did the murders. I do tend to wonder about the partying rumors and such but think a lot of them stem from John Ray through the years and even then it doesn't connect Burke and CB necessarily.

I guess I mean I just, even though entertaining other, see the most likely thing and logical thing and conspiracies that involve too much have to have a lot of things go on. Meaning he and gf had to be at CB's home first of all. Second of all she had to be wearing this belt or they had it with for some unfathomable reason. Then they had to leave it there. Then it has to have picked up one of Asa's hairs. Then CB had to use it later on as a belt on a woman CB tortured and murdered. That's a LOT that has to fall into place. And/or Burke and partner were part of the murder and there for it and Asa too but she is said to have been gone for the murders.

You know, I put on a recent one by Police Off the Cuff last night. It was about recent statements from Tierney. As I had it on, I did not find it all that revelatory and didn't really get into it where I paid a lot of attention but some of it was how he pretty much came out and said again after Ray said what he did about the daughter and her drawings and so on and the family that there is NOTHING that shows them involved and how they were gone for each murder.

I was tired, end of my full work week as my weekends aren't Sat/Sun but Thurs/Fri and I wasn't finding it what I thought it to be, maybe there was more of interest but kept it on in the background and never really picked up on anything of note but again I was tired.

I kept thinking a few things though. FIRST, as I've said before, yes the family seems to have been gone for most of these murders and it makes sense, it really does, that that is when he played and had the home to himself but again we don't know nor does LE when these women were killed, just when they went missing. I DO think there's a good chance the family was not involved or home for the murders though, it seems to be the case most likely. BUT what is his interest in getting out there and saying this for the daughter's sake OR Asa's sake? Seriously, why should he care? Asa and her attorney have went to sue them for like the search and destruction of their possessions, she supports CB the by far more than likely SK in this case, Asa moved to protect assets immediately screwing the victims out of assets and restitution or recovery that Tierney should care about first and who cares even if wrong if the public speculates, or John Ray, about what the family knew or their involvement. Why does he care enough to come out and emphasize there's no proof the family was involved? Seriously. He doesn't come out all the time and I think does a good job, I am not anti Tierney even though he is riding a wave that Harrison started putting a task force together and now Harrison is gone, you can bet due to politics and sides.

They have brought further charges for two more women and that's great, and I'm not ignoring that but what is his thing about never coming out much as they don't in investigations but emphasizing how the family is not involved and CB was a lone wolf. I take that to mean also not in tandem with some other killer or some deeper thing.

So in not really listening to POC because it wasn't what I thought it would be, and I wasn't really listening while it played, it seemed mostly to be about Tierney coming out saying they don't see anyone else being involved. Not Asa, not Victoria. Probably not Burke or anyone else.

Being tired I felt they are just covering any defense he could possibly dream up that Asa did it, Burke did it, Bitroff did it to ensure no defense that way or not enable one can be used. Again I didn't pay a lot of attention and there wasn't anything big in the show imo though as to Burke's recent remarks, he just seemed to be re-emphasizing that Asa and the kids weren't home per John Ray's claims or some such.

But again why care? They have CB dead to rights and it's almost like he cares about Asa and kids and wants such known. He doesn't come out over just anything. And again they are the ones profiting off this (her hub's/their father's murders of others) and suing with a sleaze bag of a lawyer in at least Asa's case.

Asa and the kids were common sense wise maybe not involved and were gone BUT whether they had a hint or knew is something else. But even so, they don't have proof of that and that's fine but why does Tierney care if anyone is wondering or Ray saying whatever that he comes out about that... About the kids and Asa.

I guess what I am getting towards here is IS Asa cooperating....? Helping...? I don't see another reason for him pointing this out when he gets on and points nothing on normally other than when they announce a newly charged murder or some such... And I don't see WHY he would other than to diss Ray without saying so, that he would defend daughter and wife, politics, or she is cooperating.

You know that show of Joe's was interesting the other night with that not young long time reporter.... And she said they moved before planned worried someone would say something at a BBQ and there was that kind of worry I'd assume their subject would find out they were near to an arrest of him. Of course in something so bungled and finally close to being solved and an arrest made of an SK, you'd not want to risk anything but he seems to go out of his way to get on when he never does to say no reason to think family or anyone else involved.
I don't believe the wife was absent for all the murders for the very fact of the affidavit about Vergata being at the house when Asa was there and pregnant.
 
I don't believe the wife was absent for all the murders for the very fact of the affidavit about Vergata being at the house when Asa was there and pregnant.
I don't either quite honestly. And even in the first three charged, it seems to me they only knew it for two of three yet they or Tierney keep trying to claim gone for all of them but that's not how I recall it.

I also have said it more than once and will again, they can only KNOW she/they were gone for the day the women allegedly disappeared. They could have been alive and kept and tortured for days, weeks, even months.

And all his daughter's sh*t she drew AND was drawn to hints to me of things she perhaps has seen.

I'm ruling nothing out.
 
I wanted to and intended to watch this live but the day got away from me and I forgot. I would have been commenting no doubt. I am watching it now after that fact and five to ten minutes in already SO interesting. Zeman is the creator of the Killing Field. They both were talking about this case eight to ten years ago when it seemed no one was talking to the sex workers (who would be the first to have a clue), seemed to be investigating these murders, etc. Touching on is Shannon a big coincidence, etc. Just interesting RIGHT off the bat almost.

Zeman pointed out for instannce with how big and weird CB is, he'd have come up had women etc. in the industry been asked of those who stood out, etc. Good point imo. Not that probably a lot of John's would be strange ducks but it's just a point being made of what they could have found out how many years ago, how sex workers weren't warned of an SK of sex workers, etc. and so on. And then a bit about Shannon and what to make of that...

Like I said I just started and am still listening but it's good already. Joe's show is about my top faves these days. Well Tom too but he only does Delphi.

 
Talking about linking CB and Burke together and why not to, etc. @Tresir

May not agree with their opinion on it but a good discussion as to the dangers of connecting them etc as some online are doing.

Give it a listen. Not saying it isn't possible and they aren't saying that either but the dangers of linking them etc. Just an interesting conversation.
 
A bit about the gun clubs and hunting that's pretty interesting and I gather something THEY considered back when. Not LE but Joe and Zeman,etc.
 
Palm Pilots lol. I don't even know what such is. Zeman just called CB a pack rat. I agree. Hoarders is what I've said.

They're talking of the sheer mass of digital info.
 
Correcting myself. The Killing Season. I always think it is the Killing Field but The Killing Season. Zeman thinks things about Peaches should have been shared back when.
 
When they found body parts of Peaches and then knowing they connected and the killer's geographical profile went all the way to Hempsted he thinks should have been shared because it changed the area or gave a broader area, etc. He said didn't know if it was Burke sharing nothing but thinks that should have been shared with the public.
 
A good point Joe just made is that they kept hair follicles and stuff back from the 1990s re Jessica Taylor and how it wasn't even a thing yet to speak of. He said for all Suffolk County gets beat up and certainly has been for back then, it was phenomenal they did that well and kept such. That's not a compliment of Burke but of LE. Burke came in after if I heard it right earlier.
 
I don't want to forget to mention how they said how stupid CB really was. And back when they and others figured LISK was probably smart and sophisticated etc. Many examples throughout. One example is who would think the guy they pulled the stunt on a couple of days before with Amber, like the bf coming in and saying what are you doing with my gf/wife would be a guy who would come back a couple of days later and pick her up/meet up with her. All sorts of examples as to his stupidity.

I love hearing an EVIL murderer called stupid. ALWAYS.

As I said a good conversation, and bring up some other SKs here and there but mostly all about this and a good watch.
 
they talked Bitroff and CB for a bit and then Zeman talks of one SK who said there was a group and how, not meaning they killed together, but learned of each other sort of and there are like signals and things that shows one to another.

I have no problem believing this. i've seen it in life with men who cheat, men who hire prostitutes, did we not see in this case how both Rader's daughter and Happy's came right to this family and THEN how Happy even wrote CB. We know CB had books on such people and more. There are also hints of such imo in Kohberger.

Zeman does say take it for what it's worth of course and of course this also would make for great interest but again I don't have trouble believing such.

Oh, pedophiles. Imo. And gay, not knocking such, just saying there are things that one will know another and kind of the same idea where one recognizes another are there are some signs.

We talk in Delphi about the possibility and a pedo right and Kline and sharing possibly a drop box, etc.

So not sure anything to it but interesting... He had one SK tell him such... That he knew other SKs.
 

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