Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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Re leads from Amber's case (physical description of potential perp and his vehicle), I'm anxious to know just how far those were investigated and why they dead-ended.
As for the hairs, to my knowledge, I think it's that their state lab simply didn't have the capability to process them so that until they sent them out, that was gonna be a dead-end.
The only prior info made public that I'm aware of regarding phones was that the perp used the victim's cell phones when he called the sister (I'd forgot info that he'd also called the friend of another victim, Maureen) and that those were traced to mid-town Manhattan and it seems there was at some point- several months after one of those calls, there was a ping from a victim's phone in Massapequa.
I'm just looking forward to learning more about why it seems that the perp/vehicle description and that ping wasn't correlated.
As for his use of burner phones, I don't recall info- or even the idea- that he used those (maybe there was and I just forgot) but I'm curious as to why the locations of those calls apparently couldn't be traced at the time.
I don't get the impression the potential perp or vehicle were investigated at all at the time.

I believe I heard the hairs could now be analyzed due to advancements wasn't it in mitochondrial DNA or something on that order?

You lost me on the ping correlating with the vehicle, why would they necessarily correlate?

Not sure exactly what you mean about location tracing either. You mean like tapping the phone lines of the sister and friend? He was staying on less than the three minutes for one. I heard that somewhere.

And as far as what they could do re cell phones and areas, that has dramatically changed over the years.

Just what I've heard or my best guesses on all.
 
So they said today there are rules/laws for submitting DNA to the national database and generally that can't be done until someone is convicted. Now THAT BITES because conviction could be YEARS or even a DECADE away. I think they said with the state database too. He didn't go into if there were times they could use it but I am guessing or hopeful if someone calls on another case and wants to see if they have a match, maybe it could be done? Does anyone know?

@Tresir Wasn't it you who was impressed they could do this right away? It sounds as if they can't. They do TAKE DNA right away though in almost all states on a felony arrest I'm pretty sure.
 
When our serial killer, Arthur Shawcross, was murdering prostitutes, there came a point when the Police Commissioner held a press conference. He assured that if a woman is doing an illegal activity, (I forget exactly how it was phrased), that the police didn't care, and they would not be arrested if they came forward with information that could help lead them to the serial killer.

Watched it. Pretty similar and almost exact to what she said on Hidden True Crime. She actually said a lot more on HTC. She talked of her past and some other things and why some people wouldn't go to the police even if they had info on him etc.
 
When our serial killer, Arthur Shawcross, was murdering prostitutes, there came a point when the Police Commissioner held a press conference. He assured that if a woman is doing an illegal activity, (I forget exactly how it was phrased), that the police didn't care, and they would not be arrested if they came forward with information that could help lead them to the serial killer.
Yeah that's the way it should be but not sure it is here. These guys are questioning prostitutes in their jail who HAD recordings of Rex and provided them. Not sure which came first, the chicken or the egg... But why weren't they cut a deal in exchange for providing such? Don't know enough about it but yes that's a fact, once known who he was.

Did you listen to the one with this same woman on HTC and hear her story of the legal system and all there? And for instance how a car accident when someone hit her meant she had police contact which was a condition of her parole or whatever? WHAT?? And why she'd not go to the police there? She is from Long Island the way I understood it.

If you haven't listened to it, I'd recommend it. She shared her own story which she did not do on the other one you posted.
 
Not sure if anyone listened to this presser today but I am listening to it now and am only partway in and questions are coming fast from reporters, etc.

One I'm pretty sure the reporter said a drone captured what appeared to be burnt cell phones in the back yard recovered or found and the LE guy totally danced around that question and didn't respond to it but talked of something else.

And yes, what I thought I heard earlier is true. Rex's DNA is not in any state or fed database and has not been submitted. NY state and fed laws.

So if like me and many others you were thinking wait until the hits start coming off of that on this man, it hasn't been done. And it "sounds" like it likely won't be until after conviction.

Someone also asked about a mattress in the "room" in the basement. He danced around that one too. Talking of clutter and other stuff by not really answering the question itself.

Says the house was very cluttered and if I get a chance I'd like to remark on that itself in a separate post. I mean his wife, stepson and adult daughter lived there too right...

I don't know that I'll get to finish it tonight but that's what stands out so far and I'm barely into it.
 
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He was asked to clarify by a reporter if they could not put his DNA into databases until after conviction, a specific question, and he said per NY state law, that's correct.

So there you have it. There aren't going to be hits. I am hoping someone asks him if other states or agencies though contact them about a case they think fits if they can compare it or access it? I'd hope so but am almost doubting it. Or if they can do so through the feds even. Not through the database but through the agencies, etc. and cold cases.

I guess what I am trying to say is could they compare for instance his hair DNA to DNA in another case in say Vegas WITHOUT accessing his "given" DNA?Hard to put into words but I trust all know what I mean.

I mean if the pizza crust DNA matched say his hair then could another department compare their DNA from a murder with the hair so not actually accessing his DNA but they would just then know it matched their hair or whatever and then they know their hair matched his DNA and yet they didn't access his DNA? Having trouble wording it.

I'm not saying that indirect route would be evidence for trial in another case but it would tell them he is their guy and they are on the right track and now need to prove their case.

I'm also wondering, on another note about the same, is this something new? Has it always been that DNA doesn't go into databases until conviction? Or before DNA, fingerprints? It doesn't seem like that was the way it was...
 
Aha! Just what I wondered. It sounds like the same reporter keeping at the DNA thing. She asks him to clarify if that means they can't check his DNA against the "six other people" and he said I didn't say that. The DNA database is national... And has its own rules, etc. and they don't rule it but what they can do with the DNA in their own investigations, etc. is completely different.

That's about what I was thinking but I don't think he'd have offered that info had it not been asked.
 
Did no one watch this presser? I had little time this morn found it was live literally as I was about to head out the door. And I'm only minutes into it and won't finish tonight but already worth the listen.
 
Every time he is asked about a mattress in the "vault" in the basement, he circles it and won't say, just says things were found all over in every room or something on that order and he can't say, etc.

He also may have made a slip or it may have been nothing but made a response to some question that this case goes beyond New York State. Did he just mean he has other residences or doe she mean he knows of more murders, etc...

I'm recommending watching it. It's about all I can do tonight and am not through it and hoping someone else does and can fill some in tomorrow.
 
Asked about the family and family has counsel, they have talked to their counsel.

Will family be allowed to return to the home? Once they've withdrawn.
 
To more than one question of things being burned in the back yard, he wouldn't answer or said he couldn't, didn't know, etc. couldn't comment to that. From accounts of neighbors, he burned garbage in the back yard and would dig in the middle of the night...
 
Grand jury was secret, etc. but now that an arrests and a named figure, there are many people to interview which I take to mean since now it is known who he is, tons of people have something to share about him and/or they can now question others who knew him as it isn't a secret any longer...

If you haven't watched this PC I'd recommend it. I haven't had time to get through it yet, still just doing it in bits and pieces after work last night and now this morning.
 
This article has helped me understand the complexity of this whole investigation. The scattered body parts seems weird and appears to be a different MO to the ones Shrek has been charged with.
But only the earlier victims were dismembered and to me, the same discovery site is too coincidental. Of course, I think it's certainly possible there's another killer, at this point, I'm just doubtful.
I think surely that Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack were killed by the same perp. I think they may have also disappeared from the same location- the bus terminal in Manhattan, which is where Jessica was reportedly last seen, and although info is that Valerie's last known location was New Jersey (Spring/Summer, 2000), it was several months later that her partial remains were discovered in Manorville (11/2000).
 
I don't get the impression the potential perp or vehicle were investigated at all at the time.
It should have been and so I think it was, I just don't know how or to what extent.
I'm looking forward to the trial to possibly learn more about that, although I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually changes his plea and then there is no trial

I believe I heard the hairs could now be analyzed due to advancements wasn't it in mitochondrial DNA or something on that order?
Yeah, but to my knowledge, the technology's existed years before the bodies were discovered.
You lost me on the ping correlating with the vehicle, why would they necessarily correlate?
Well, the vehicle owner address and the ping were both in Massapequa...
Not sure exactly what you mean about location tracing either. You mean like tapping the phone lines of the sister and friend?
No, it seemed to me that the initial calls from the burner phones weren't traced but now I think surely they were but that he only used them while in Midtown.
 
It should have been and so I think it was, I just don't know how or to what extent.
I'm looking forward to the trial to possibly learn more about that, although I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually changes his plea and then there is no trial


Yeah, but to my knowledge, the technology's existed years before the bodies were discovered.

Well, the vehicle owner address and the ping were both in Massapequa...

No, it seemed to me that the initial calls from the burner phones weren't traced but now I think surely they were but that he only used them while in Midtown.
Yeah, I don't know. We had years where this investigation was not a top priority to put it lightly and seemed to have interference and other obstacles by chain of command for another. I'd have to look at the years but seems to fit that period of time if I recall.

I don't know, honestly, but I know they remarked on it in the PC I believe. If it did exist it perhaps wasn't as reliable and has come to a point where it is far superior to that. Plus who would they have compared it to? And again it could play into my first paragraph here where the vehicle wasn't apparently investigated, the ogre like man, etc. nor was anything even a priority or so it seems.

To your third answer, yes, but how would they correlate the vehicle to the ping? Isn't that what you first said? I'm not arguing, I'm just not getting you. So they could relate it to that vehicle at that time in Massapequa rather than any other vehicle there? How so? I'm just not getting what you mean is all.

To the fourth, the whole burner phone thing I'm not even going to claim to understand it all. Burner phones are untrackable right? Somewhat. I can't wrap my head around it all but I'm guessing they found numbers right in some of the victim's records that called them? And in something like a tower dump or numbers from a certain area they found repeated numbers? I honestly am beyond on getting these things. But I do know at the simplest part of the answer with just about all of these things here, they WEREN'T working hard on this case and there was obstruction. It was not a priority. And technology changed. Plus no one was a go getter because they weren't pushed to do an excellent job on it and put to work on it solely, etc.

They would also need a start point, I mean you just can't go tracing someone's calls without warrants, etc. or a suspect again with enough cause.

Finally, the last commissioner or sheriff or whoever the heck he was refused fed help, etc. The feds can do a lot that the county can't. Phones and tech are a specialty aren't they? They can "cross lines" locals can't. I don't mean they are crossing lines but they have powers to do things locals can't if it fits the fed laws where it allows it.
At the PC it was clearly stated that the feds could get to the truck in SC but the local guy did not have that power. Again the first one refused their help and once that help finally came in, it was not long and BINGO. It was made a priority not only with a dedicated full time task force but with members who could do such things and did them.

I don't know and I haven't worded things right but I am not getting what you mean exactly in some either. I do agree this is going to be interesting to find out all and more answers to these things and I think this is going to be ongoing for a long time and of interest to get all these answers and FAR MORE. No way did he only murder four people imo. (Counting the 4th as they have it I think just weren't quite to charging it yet).
 
So in Grizzly who I'd say for anyone who can't keep up and follow all or go out there and listen to all, is a very good one to follow for in depth coverage and full coverage. This case is so big and changing so fast that even with hers I can't keep up. They are generally an hour long on average or a bit more. And she has been producing them steadily so I am definitely not even through hers in an attempt to keep up.

I was watching one last night now probably a couple days old and didn't get through it all but she put a good timeline up with Crybaby's life intertwined with it.

She as I mentioned back on here a ways wondered myself, is asking for info on his father's death and more. Not in a sleazy way but because of how it would or could play in. Her members (true I think of many YTers research and then send her what they've found unasked) like background checks and other digs.

Crybaby is a middle child seems to be fact. He has an older sister, not much known on and the brother in SC who is I think 2 years younger. The sister if I heard correctly graduated in '69 so that puts a BIG age gap between her and the younger brothers, Crybaby graduated in '81. Also something I wondered. So not so strange to wonder as now others are starting to ask these same questions.

The brother allegedly had a negligent homicide conviction or charge. Drunk driving. So has also killed someone although not in the way CB did.

NOT a lot know even with the time there has been already to dig.

She is wondering about what year his first divorce was and more.

I know the murders and ways and handllng of the bodies differ but I can't, as others here have said, rule out he did them all or most all. The timing of his buying the family home in that area, starting his own business, and marrying this second wife and when the people first disappeared is a lot to ignore... Her timeline also points out the years worth of gaps in the middle of and after the various murders. My leaning is he was doing more elsewhere...

There's little on the sister, there is little on a lot so far.

I have my own questions that bother and they aren't attacks on family, these things are going to be raised and are now being raised and will be for a long time to come.

CB said in an interview his father was an aerospace engineer who built satellites. I have seen NOTHING for confirmation on that anywhere.

There's no hint his mother ever remarried or that he had a stepdad. She had three children though. What did she do for a living and how did she support them?

It may be a silly question but I don't think so. What was the square footage of this home? One isn't going to find pictures or prices or anything on Zillow or Homes .com as it only passed between family and was never listed. It was cluttered it sounds like at minimum (probably worse than that) and it is seeming like all four family members (at least) lived there.

Has the daughter ever lived anywhere else but with her parents? Did the other family members live there full time or stay at the other homes in large part?

Where is his father's obit? WHAT did he die from so young?

Man I could go on forever. I find it highly unusual so little has been found thus far.

Does his wife work? Has she ever?

Grizzly even asked did he have any kids with the first wife? I assumed he didn't but I guess honestly we don't know that...

I'm only 26 minutes in but good so far and I'm probably several behind already of hers I wouldn't doubt. Yet this one is just a day or two old I think.

 

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