Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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I completely agree that the murders of called "Hookers" "Prostitutes". The worst "Whores". Sorry. Not my vernacular. Has had a very long history of being ignored. I have stated in a documentary I saw about "Richard Cottingham" "The Torso Kiler", The Times Square Killer". He killed sex workers in the 70's. When "Times Square" Was nothing but porn theaters, Porn shops, Peeping shows, Shutter peep shows allowing sex acts, All nude stripping, Even Live sex. I really had no idea all of that went on. That it was legal or allowed. So the best place for sex workers to get customers was "Times Square". The crime rate, Including murder was astronomical. His first two documented victims, At that time, 2 victims. One is still unidentified. Ge killed in motel rooms. But that is when he changed. Very rare. He lived in New Jersey. It is now strongly believed he had victims in New Jersey in the 60's. And they were teens. Not sex workers. Sorry. A Little background. Anyway. LOL. Sex workers, When they were found dead, Usually murdered. The Police referred to them "NHI". "No human involved". So that shows they weren't even treated as a human being. They have been victims of serial killers for different reasons. It is considered a profession. And based on a study of dangerous jobs. It is number one. Gary Ridgeway. Started killing because he got an STD from a sex worker. Arthur Shawcross. Let out early from killing 2 children. Moved and started killing sex workers. Had an excuse for every one. Those are the big ones I can think of right now. They are the ones who sought out sex workers! But it's NEVER their fault. And I've heard "They were hookers. No one would care. They were easy". "She tried to steal my wallet", "After sex she told me she had AIDS". OH COME ON!!! That wasn't any of these 3. But the STD excuse I've heard more than once. Ridgeway was charged with 49. He said "70 sounds about right". After they already took the death penalty off the table because he was going to lead them to undiscovered victims. He enrages me just looking at him. Shawcross, Dead 2008. Cottingham alive. Grey hair, long Grey, Thick Santa beard. I am very glad that society isn't taking LE not doing anything about sex workers being murdered. Shannon, I really hope they aren't doing much because their thinking is they don't have anyone to be accountable to since Mari was murdered. IDC If they couldn't find ANY FAMILY OR FRIENDS! THEY ARE ALL SOMEONE!!!!!
I'm definitely not as up on it or as fresh on it as you but everything you said about NYC it brought back to mind. And it fills in what I think was missing with me. How it always was and has been. I keep saying this is like a THING there and LONG ISLAND itself it seems to be many with a penchant for escorts, sex workers, etc. but you are refreshing me on just how the live sex, peep shows, etc. all were. I knew that but hadn't thought about it or remembered it.

The NHI and all that, not just in NY but definitely in NY. That is EXACTLY how this was treated. BUT it's nothing new. And that chief was clearly a student and then customer of that very culture and that is how he was of LE.

I am glad this is being taken seriously, sex workers or not, but it's taken everything for these families to get any traction or to not have it treated as such. Big power just ignores. And ignores the feds and all else. Everywhere the family/ies turned.

You mention how dangerous of an occupation and I think it should be stated here in this thread that although investigation should be treated every bit as important as someone notable and not a sex worker, it is a trade that no one who has a choice should go into. Money isn't everything. Don't get hooked on bad drugs where you need to. Go flip burgers. I'm serious. There is nothing glamorous about it, even a sugar baby or "high end" escort. Men who frequent such are NOT just average joes whose wife won't give them any sex. I'd say that's the least likely of the customers and even that's a lie. As you mention, more than one seriall killer has targeted such for more than one reason imo. One being no one will care, notice and no investigation will result or not much of one. Also because they are easy targets and available. And because they think they are the lowest of the low and bad women. Other reasons like at least in the day they will get in a car or go anywhere with anyone. I am not insulting any of them and not saying there aren't different reasons each is in the trade or came to be but of course it's not safe. I am also not coming down on the victims or victim blaming. I don't mean it that way. I'd just never want anyone to read here and think because we feel they are as worthy as anyone who has been murdered, it certainly doesn't mean it is a wise choice of occupation, far from it.

Killers, even those that aren't serial, prey on the weak and vulnerable. Nowadays the one online you can tell has problems with family, no friends, etc. It has always been that way even before internet, even if not prostitutes.

These girls had families, had sisters, brothers, had homes, etc. And I'm sure most families worried about their profession/lifestyle.

Not enough has been done about this police chief and the lack of further answers. not just with him or anyone who did the same and followed him. And just like not letting the investigation go or being taken seriously, that needs to stay out there and be said and pushed as well.

You also in reminding me of many things just cemented even more in my mind that there is a breed and type that knows each other and these days easier than before. Not all mabye. Crybaby may have been solo but there sure are a lot of bodies and a lot of escort interest etc. around this case and on Long Island.
 
I think most disposals are at night. It isn't in a small suburb even. So I am guessing any lighting would be from home owners. The phrase "Under the cover of night". Things do change when it gets dark. That is when most crimes occur. Way less chance of getting caught doing anything illegal. And in the middle of the night, Alot of people are asleep.
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I read a flat bottom boat would have to have been used based on the swampy conditions. I can't see a fan boat. THEY'RE A LITTLE LOUD!!! WINDY!!!
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I for some reason am thinking he did something right in plain sight and not a boat. Not sure what. Maybe even in daylight. Maybe not. And I think he's proud of it. Were 4 wheelers allowed? Dune buggies? He looks like he is going hunting with a load of camo, duck blind stuff, etc.? I don't know.. Something or some means that anyone who saw him just thought well this guy's just going hunting, or he is DNR, or I JUST DON'T KNOW but he seems to feel imo based on the interest in asking people how do you think he disposed of them, got them there to have done something he is proud of...

In some cases it was body parts found only... Some were skeletal remains. Time and water could have caused some things etc.

I've ruled out he didn't drop them out of a helicopter or airplane. Other than that, I'm wondering.... That Court TV one I posted poses some questions like that. That the person would need a flashlight at least and they assume it was at night etc... But was it?
 
I think most disposals are at night. It isn't in a small suburb even. So I am guessing any lighting would be from home owners. The phrase "Under the cover of night". Things do change when it gets dark. That is when most crimes occur. Way less chance of getting caught doing anything illegal. And in the middle of the night, Alot of people are asleep.
Richard Ramirez, "The Night Stalker". Break-In's, Assaults, Burglaries, Car thefts, Description of vehicles and suspects harder.The 80's song 🎵🎶 Freaks come out night. What what what. Freaks come out at niiiight. 🎵🎶
"Whodini".
I agree it was most likely at night. And lighting back then wasn't what it is there now and there was no bike path, etc. And this wasn't a used area like a beach etc. for the most part. But that alone would mean someone would need light and a vehicle, etc. most likely and be noticed to be parked there, etc. I don't see anyone stopping to see if the motorist needed help or stopping to check what was up (except LE or they SHOULD) but one would think someone would remember seeing a vehicle, a person, etc. on such and such a night as they drove home, etc..

BUT THEN it was not investigated properly and certainly not in any timely or diligent manner. Just another prostitute ya know that didn't make it home and no one has heard from and like that never happens is the attitude it got. AT BEST.
 
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It is alarming how many lead seemingly normal lives. I've heard "Hiding in plain sight" Alot. To me that shows further that they are sane. But still try the insanity defense. If they can keep together their marriage, Kids, A job, Even for decades, A sick mind does what they do. But they know what they are doing.
 
I for some reason am thinking he did something right in plain sight and not a boat. Not sure what. Maybe even in daylight. Maybe not. And I think he's proud of it. Were 4 wheelers allowed? Dune buggies? He looks like he is going hunting with a load of camo, duck blind stuff, etc.? I don't know.. Something or some means that anyone who saw him just thought well this guy's just going hunting, or he is DNR, or I JUST DON'T KNOW but he seems to feel imo based on the interest in asking people how do you think he disposed of them, got them there to have done something he is proud of...

In some cases it was body parts found only... Some were skeletal remains. Time and water could have caused some things etc.

I've ruled out he didn't drop them out of a helicopter or airplane. Other than that, I'm wondering.... That Court TV one I posted poses some questions like that. That the person would need a flashlight at least and they assume it was at night etc... But was it?
From what I understand from articles. Only flat bottom boats would work. ATV's, And especially dune buggys would be too heavy. They would just sink in deep enough and get stuck in that swampy environment.
 
It is alarming how many lead seemingly normal lives. I've heard "Hiding in plain sight" Alot. To me that shows further that they are sane. But still try the insanity defense. If they can keep together their marriage, Kids, A job, Even for decades, A sick mind does what they do. But they know what they are doing.
Yeah but I bet in hindsight, many family members can see things. Maybe not that would have said they were serial killers but I believe there was almost always thoughts of what is he doing, what is he hiding in that locked shed, why is he so private, where was he... Is he cheating? I know he's cheating...

Seemingly normal lives is the key phrase you say. At minimum none of those things are a normal healthy relationship. And that's just cheating, hiding things, lying and one can't account for where they are or they do and are caught in it on occasion.

In a bit of turn of subject on that, we don't know much yet, but I don't think this family was likely even seemingly normal.. That's just my initial impression and it may not be fair as we do NOT know much but the comic book thing, the gun thing, I think it was Dungeons and Dragons or some such with the daughter. Forget the daughter even, these are two OLDER people and they aren't as far as we know but COULD BE grandparents. A hobby is one thing and at a younger age for sure but an addiction or obsession with it or a lifestyle is another and that's the hints I get. Maybe I'm wrong, again not much is known. A cluttered uncared for home but a professional career wearing suits... Maybe I'm wrong, I mean I'd have never suspected their kitchen. And don't get me wrong, the home is n't falling down and I know myself that life circumstances can stop one from keeping one up the way they'd like, no money for repairs, improvements, etc. BUT other properties were purchased and money spent on offices and prostitutes, etc. so there was money... There WERE things wrong in this family.

Apparently as far as we know the daughter never left home. She was working for dad at the end here. She never drove until recently getting a license. I had a sister who didn't until years after high school so I get it and all these things can be normal BUT not put all together.

Can ANYONE think of a case at all of murder where the wife's hairs were found? Not the daughter's. Much less a serial killer. ANY case. And more of them than of the suspect's? In multiple murders/victims. I think they found one in Vallow said to be Lori's didn't they? On the tape or something? ONE. We've seen cases with animal hairs. But they also aren't found on a belt buckle.

I'm wandering so I'll stop. Little time and catching up and all sorts of thoughts.
 
BUT I still have to wonder, night or day, why he seemed to feel it was such a thing of how the killer go them there... I think he is proud no one had a clue or LE had ever wondered and proud of doing so...
Maybe they are trying to figure out where they were killed to show the flow of events. Maybe to tie everything together to build an even stronger case. DNA PERFECT! But to be able to identify the actual crime scene would add alot of weight to their cases. IMO They don't want to take the chance of a not guilty verdict or a mistrial. There have been several mistrial and not guilty verdicts lately that I just CANNOT understand.
 
Maybe they are trying to figure out where they were killed to show the flow of events. Maybe to tie everything together to build an even stronger case. DNA PERFECT! But to be able to identify the actual crime scene would add alot of weight to their cases. IMO They don't want to take the chance of a not guilty verdict or a mistrial. There have been several mistrial and not guilty verdicts lately that I just CANNOT understand.
I think it most likely he killed them at home and I'm not convinced it was right away either. I guess with all the storage units and homes he has he could have a hut or shack somewhere, who the heck knows. He lived in this area and worked on the beach/es after high school right...?

But to explain the wife's hairs it has to be almost at home. Could be the vehicle but that would be pretty risky. The safest/most private place would be home... UNLESS he has somewhere else we don't know about. Or access to somewhere else even if not his.
 
I agree it was most likely at night. And lighting back then wasn't what it is there now and there was no bike path, etc. And this wasn't a used area like a beach etc. for the most part. But that alone would mean someone would need light and a vehicle, etc. most likely and be noticed to be parked there, etc. I don't see anyone stopping to see if the motorist needed help or stopping to check what was up (except LE or they SHOULD) but one would think someone would remember seeing a vehicle, a person, etc. on such and such a night as they drove home, etc..

BUT THEN it was not investigated properly and certainly not in any timely or diligent manner. Just another prostitute ya know that didn't make it home and no one has heard from and like that never happens is the attitude it got. AT BEST.
In that area. He's a huge guy. Very strong. They suspected he killed them in his house. So he could of simply used a wheelbarrow. Throw them in there wrapped like they were and throw in a shovel too.
 
Well, That's not the area I personally heard them referring to.
I'm going off the court tv thing I linked. Assuming someone drove down Ocean Parkway, he'd have to park along the side of the road with a vehicle and then how would he not be noticed with traffic, etc. doing whatever from there and going into the reeds/marsh.
 

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