Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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Are you saying it's a fact that Asa was pregnant or that it's her story that Asa was pregnant (or what she said Asa told her)?
My understanding of what she said is that she didn't know why Asa didn't participate but thought it was because she's black.


That link contains so much inaccuracy, I wouldn't know where to start.
I think the time frame and even John Ray may have placed her as pregnant. She did think it might have been because she was black.

Of course it may be taht it could also be seen that she was obviously pregnant or said by Asa to her but I don't recall that being said and I forget how many months she would have been along/when daughter was born.

Anyhow I think Ray and them putting the time frame together once CB was arrested, daughter's age known and different things together to where her being pregnant may have been her actual reason for not being into the swinging, rather than that she was black.

As far as I'm concerned by now LE knows and could dismantle this story or confirm its likeliness. ANd I don't see where it would hurt a thing if they did. Jmo.
 
Well with the current ones, the fact he called relatives of the victims using the victims phones was a really dumb move, so that really must have helped to catch him. Plus the hair DNA and the vehicle identification additionally did it for him. I can't find your post now but you asked about him having storage and yes, he did - his Amityville storage facility was also searched.
Amityville. How fitting.
 
Isn't it though? I thought the same.
Those recent people charged for the body parts dumping are from Amityville too. Need to follow up on that case too. Here we go -

Apparently one of them has been jailed because she shoplifted while on bail. Her defence should be to complain that the beauty products she stole didn't work.


NY post article. Warning graphic pic


Here's an article that identifies the victims. Maybe we should have a thread for them.

 
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Those recent people charged for the body parts dumping are from Amityville too. Need to follow up on that case too. Here we go -

Apparently one of them has been jailed because she shoplifted while on bail. Her defence should be to complain that the beauty products she stole didn't work.


NY post article. Warning graphic pic


Here's an article that identifies the victims. Maybe we should have a thread for them.

No time to read but yes, Amityville has come up a few times. It is memorable even if I can't always recall what it came up into relation to because those of us here instantly think of Amityville Horror of course.

I watched something on this and what a huge mistake they made and the politics re releasing these people or not charging or some such. I forget. Of course. Pretty sure it was on Jospeh Gialcalone or STS. Total mess up and screw up.

No time to read as I said or follow a new one like that but yeah, tha's right, I knew it came up recently. Amityville. I think it has come up like three times in this case/thread. Tha's one, the other is the storage unit and for some reason I think there is something else Amityville came up with in relation to a victim or suspected victim or to CB. Not sure but think so.
 
Are you saying it's a fact that Asa was pregnant or that it's her story that Asa was pregnant (or what she said Asa told her)?
My understanding of what she said is that she didn't know why Asa didn't participate but thought it was because she's black.


That link contains so much inaccuracy, I wouldn't know where to start.
We had seen news reports with the daughter's age quoted and by working backwards, it was likely she was pregnant at the time, which backed up the story from the witness.
 
We had seen news reports with the daughter's age quoted and by working backwards, it was likely she was pregnant at the time, which backed up the story from the witness.
In other words, it's an educated guess?
It appears to me it's unlikely she was pregnant at the time but even if she was, I don't agree that it'd back up her story because that wasn't her story. That comes from someone who's trying to make her story make sense.
 
In other words, it's an educated guess?
It appears to me it's unlikely she was pregnant at the time but even if she was, I don't agree that it'd back up her story because that wasn't her story. That comes from someone who's trying to make her story make sense.
Why do you think it unlikely? The age of daughter ris known and the date of Valentine's is as well.

And while LE has not come out and confirmed anything they have also not come out and said this is absolutely junk and not true. And I'd think that would be a point and goal if they can determine it isn't and there are enough confirmable things provided to do either imo.

I am not easily sold, ever. They well could have know some info and crafted this story to fit around that info but in weighing it all, I don't think that's the case. I think the problem here is that as seems to be underneath all this sh*t in this area and even by former police chiefs and you name it, and now a cop swinging, is people in power may be affected. Police chief, DA or whatever, I can't even keep it all straight any longer of all the b.s. in this one. Yes Chief Burke. Now a narcotics officer in another story is implicated at least as present and not worried about the woman, it was just a game but he is the one who picked her up and took her there...

I can see where you might think that of this story but I'm curious on your opinion of CB and Asa and guilt? Where do you stand on that, what is your opinion at the moment?
 

By Michael Malaszczyk
Posted on April 16, 2024

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann is due back in court Wednesday.

It’s Heuermann’s first appearance since Feb. 6, which was a regular conference that saw additional evidence being turned over from the prosecution to Heuermann’s attorneys.

Rex Heuermann’s Case: From Then Until Now​

Rex Heuermann was identified as a suspect by the Gilgo Beach Task Force in 2022, and was arrested in July 2023. He was immediately charged with the murders of Amber Lynn Costello, Melissa Barthelemy, and Megan Waterman, and named a suspect in the murder of Maureen Brainard-Barnes. These four women have been called “The Gilgo Four.”

Heuermann pleaded not guilty to all three. On Nov. 15, Heuermann’s estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, attended his court appearance – shortly before it was revealed she had a $1 million documentary deal with Peacock. Ellerup filed for divorce shortly after Heuermann’s arrest, but appeared to smile at him in court that day, and has since said she does not believe Heuermann was capable of the murders.


Heuermann was charged with Brainard-Barnes’s murder on Jan. 16, and pleaded not guilty to that as well. His ex-wife as well as his daughter Victoria Heuermann attended that court appearance. Several family members of victims, represented by attorney Gloria Allred, also attended and gave statements afterwards.

Michael Brown, Heuermann’s defense attorney, has made several statements to the media attempting to cast doubt on the DNA evidence allegedly linking Heuermann to the Gilgo Four.

Other Developments in the Case​

There are up to six other victims – possibly more – linked to the Gilgo Beach murders. Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor’s dismembered, partial remains were found in Manorville in 2000 and 2003, respectively, and were then both found in 2011 on Gilgo Beach. Also found in 2011 on Gilgo Beach were an unidentified Asian male known as “Asian Doe,” and an unidentified toddler.

The toddler was revealed to be the daughter of “Peaches,” an unidentified female whose dismembered, partial remains were found at Hempstead Lake State Park in 1997, and on Jones Beach in 2011. She was nicknamed Peaches due to a distinctive tattoo of a bitten peach on her remains. As recently as 2022, the FBI was seeking relatives of an Elijah Howard, or Howell, of Mobile, Alabama in connection to Peaches’ identity – but there have been no developments since then.

The dismembered, partial remains of “Fire Island Jane Doe” were found on Fire Island in 1996 and on Tobay Beach in 2011. Fire Island Jane Doe was revealed to be Long Island native Karen Vergata in August, roughly two weeks after Heuermann’s arrest.

Miller Place-based attorney John Ray has a sworn affidavit where a witness claims Karen Vergata had been last seen at Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park residence.

Heuermann has not been charged with any of the murders outside of the Gilgo Four. Due to a clear difference in modus operandi – the Gilgo Four were all bound and wrapped in burlap, and the others were dismembered – many have speculated through the years if Long Island has more than one serial killer.

However, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney has said that the same grand jury that indicted Heuermann for the Gilgo Four is investigating the other murders on Gilgo Beach. He has not specifically named any of the victims, nor has Heuermann been officially named a suspect.

A Cross-Country Killing Spree?​

Heuermann has been anecdotally linked to several murders not officially tied to the Gilgo murders. Lt. P.J. Trujillo, of the Mamaroneck Police Department in Westchester, has speculated if Heuermann is responsible for the murder of “Cherries,” another unidentified woman, nicknamed for a tattoo, whose partial remains washed up in both Mamaroneck and Oyster Bay – although Trujillo told the Press in January there were no updates in that case.

It’s been just over 20 years since the partial remains of Andre Jamal Isaac, a drag performer known professional as “Sugar Bear,” were found dismembered and scattered in both Far Rockaway and Center Moriches. His case appears on a hidden page on the Task Force’s official website, gilgonews.com, although police told the Press his case was used as a test when they were launching the website and they do not believe he is connected to the Gilgo murders.

The family of Carmen Vargas, a woman who was murdered in 1989 and found near the Meadowbrook Parkway in Freeport, has spoken out saying Heuermann may be responsible for her murder. They initially believed her to be a victim of Joel Rifkin, another Long Island serial killer who killed up to 17 women and was arrested in the 1990s, but said Rifkin – who has confessed to all of his murders – denied involvement.

Heuermann has been linked to several murders out-of-state, including in South Carolina and Nevada where he may have owned property, but there have been no updates or charges in any of those cases.

Shortly after his arrest, Heuermann was ruled out as the “Eastbound Strangler,” an unidentified serial killer who murdered four women in the Egg Harbor Township close to Atlantic City. Because those victims were bound similar to the Gilgo Four, many had speculated for years if the Eastbound Strangler and the Gilgo Beach killer were the same individual – but authorities in New Jersey said there was no connection.
 
Why do you think it unlikely? The age of daughter ris known and the date of Valentine's is as well.
Well have you done the math? Lol, not that math is my strong point and I don't know her d.o.b. but I do know she was reportedly 26 when her father was arrested in Jul of '23 and so obviously, she couldn't have been in gestation in Feb of '96.
And while LE has not come out and confirmed anything they have also not come out and said this is absolutely junk and not true. And I'd think that would be a point and goal if they can determine it isn't and there are enough confirmable things provided to do either imo.
I'm sure they could, too, but don't let the fact that they haven't cloud your judgement as to whether they're true.

I think the problem here is that as seems to be underneath all this sh*t in this area and even by former police chiefs and you name it, and now a cop swinging, is people in power may be affected. Police chief, DA or whatever, I can't even keep it all straight any longer of all the b.s. in this one. Yes Chief Burke. Now a narcotics officer in another story is implicated at least as present and not worried about the woman, it was just a game but he is the one who picked her up and took her there...
Burke is the only disgraced former police chief I'm aware of.
And I'm not aware of any wrong doing (or malfeasance, as Marge would say, lol!) on anyone's part except those maybe those under Burke... I don't remember the details of that case, just that there were other officers with him when he did what he did- but to me, that case has nothing to do with this case.

I can see where you might think that of this story but I'm curious on your opinion of CB and Asa and guilt? Where do you stand on that, what is your opinion at the moment?
It's actually what I thought was the most likely scenario, that is, that on the dates of the disappearances, the perp's family was out of town.
 
Well have you done the math? Lol, not that math is my strong point and I don't know her d.o.b. but I do know she was reportedly 26 when her father was arrested in Jul of '23 and so obviously, she couldn't have been in gestation in Feb of '96.

I'm sure they could, too, but don't let the fact that they haven't cloud your judgement as to whether they're true.


Burke is the only disgraced former police chief I'm aware of.
And I'm not aware of any wrong doing (or malfeasance, as Marge would say, lol!) on anyone's part except those maybe those under Burke... I don't remember the details of that case, just that there were other officers with him when he did what he did- but to me, that case has nothing to do with this case.


It's actually what I thought was the most likely scenario, that is, that on the dates of the disappearances, the perp's family was out of town.

I think Burke is the most likely second serial killer. He called off the FBI and did some really strange and violent things. Like the guy he beat the :poop: out of for stealing his porn and other sex toys stuff. The FBI might be working on those, but I bet a lot of evidence was destroyed.
 

By Michael Malaszczyk
Posted on April 16, 2024

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann is due back in court Wednesday.

It’s Heuermann’s first appearance since Feb. 6, which was a regular conference that saw additional evidence being turned over from the prosecution to Heuermann’s attorneys.

Rex Heuermann’s Case: From Then Until Now​

Rex Heuermann was identified as a suspect by the Gilgo Beach Task Force in 2022, and was arrested in July 2023. He was immediately charged with the murders of Amber Lynn Costello, Melissa Barthelemy, and Megan Waterman, and named a suspect in the murder of Maureen Brainard-Barnes. These four women have been called “The Gilgo Four.”

Heuermann pleaded not guilty to all three. On Nov. 15, Heuermann’s estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, attended his court appearance – shortly before it was revealed she had a $1 million documentary deal with Peacock. Ellerup filed for divorce shortly after Heuermann’s arrest, but appeared to smile at him in court that day, and has since said she does not believe Heuermann was capable of the murders.


Heuermann was charged with Brainard-Barnes’s murder on Jan. 16, and pleaded not guilty to that as well. His ex-wife as well as his daughter Victoria Heuermann attended that court appearance. Several family members of victims, represented by attorney Gloria Allred, also attended and gave statements afterwards.

Michael Brown, Heuermann’s defense attorney, has made several statements to the media attempting to cast doubt on the DNA evidence allegedly linking Heuermann to the Gilgo Four.

Other Developments in the Case​

There are up to six other victims – possibly more – linked to the Gilgo Beach murders. Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor’s dismembered, partial remains were found in Manorville in 2000 and 2003, respectively, and were then both found in 2011 on Gilgo Beach. Also found in 2011 on Gilgo Beach were an unidentified Asian male known as “Asian Doe,” and an unidentified toddler.

The toddler was revealed to be the daughter of “Peaches,” an unidentified female whose dismembered, partial remains were found at Hempstead Lake State Park in 1997, and on Jones Beach in 2011. She was nicknamed Peaches due to a distinctive tattoo of a bitten peach on her remains. As recently as 2022, the FBI was seeking relatives of an Elijah Howard, or Howell, of Mobile, Alabama in connection to Peaches’ identity – but there have been no developments since then.

The dismembered, partial remains of “Fire Island Jane Doe” were found on Fire Island in 1996 and on Tobay Beach in 2011. Fire Island Jane Doe was revealed to be Long Island native Karen Vergata in August, roughly two weeks after Heuermann’s arrest.

Miller Place-based attorney John Ray has a sworn affidavit where a witness claims Karen Vergata had been last seen at Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park residence.

Heuermann has not been charged with any of the murders outside of the Gilgo Four. Due to a clear difference in modus operandi – the Gilgo Four were all bound and wrapped in burlap, and the others were dismembered – many have speculated through the years if Long Island has more than one serial killer.

However, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney has said that the same grand jury that indicted Heuermann for the Gilgo Four is investigating the other murders on Gilgo Beach. He has not specifically named any of the victims, nor has Heuermann been officially named a suspect.

A Cross-Country Killing Spree?​

Heuermann has been anecdotally linked to several murders not officially tied to the Gilgo murders. Lt. P.J. Trujillo, of the Mamaroneck Police Department in Westchester, has speculated if Heuermann is responsible for the murder of “Cherries,” another unidentified woman, nicknamed for a tattoo, whose partial remains washed up in both Mamaroneck and Oyster Bay – although Trujillo told the Press in January there were no updates in that case.

It’s been just over 20 years since the partial remains of Andre Jamal Isaac, a drag performer known professional as “Sugar Bear,” were found dismembered and scattered in both Far Rockaway and Center Moriches. His case appears on a hidden page on the Task Force’s official website, gilgonews.com, although police told the Press his case was used as a test when they were launching the website and they do not believe he is connected to the Gilgo murders.

The family of Carmen Vargas, a woman who was murdered in 1989 and found near the Meadowbrook Parkway in Freeport, has spoken out saying Heuermann may be responsible for her murder. They initially believed her to be a victim of Joel Rifkin, another Long Island serial killer who killed up to 17 women and was arrested in the 1990s, but said Rifkin – who has confessed to all of his murders – denied involvement.

Heuermann has been linked to several murders out-of-state, including in South Carolina and Nevada where he may have owned property, but there have been no updates or charges in any of those cases.

Shortly after his arrest, Heuermann was ruled out as the “Eastbound Strangler,” an unidentified serial killer who murdered four women in the Egg Harbor Township close to Atlantic City. Because those victims were bound similar to the Gilgo Four, many had speculated for years if the Eastbound Strangler and the Gilgo Beach killer were the same individual – but authorities in New Jersey said there was no connection.
THIS is really good reporting. I had to look and see who it came from and it was Long Island Press. News always or used to have he problem where they to adhere to standards were not ready for today with online posts and SM channels etc. and do they be responsible or be like some rag back when like the Enquirer or even today to a point yet Daily Mail and so on. They need to catch up with times but not go into total speculation and man this Michael M strikes it just right which I'd say means the paper also has the right balance and allowed this. He gives the FACTS but also goes the rumors or anecdotal as he calls it things or speculation by calling it that and talks of Ray and his witness re Karen. He points straight out when wife and daughter showed up in court, etc. I was when there was the 1 mill deal with Peacock.

I never say this about basically any news but this is EXCELLENT. He gives only facts BUT covers all the key and possibilities talk while couching I as it should be. I'm no sure I knew of the Isaac, drag performer, etc. and this other dismemberment, etc.

I sadly have not been into the link but just read the pretty big part you put in your post.

This reporter has balanced the new world perfectly of the rules in news reporting although we know some should not be considered news and not all follow those rules or don't have agendas either, with the online would of new news, and digging and so on. They all need to learn to do this. However in the next breath if any reported politics it would only be agenda imo. Lol.

Just very good balance with facts but flat out pointing out the Peacock deal when they show up to support Rex, mentioning RAy's "witness" and anecdotal oher' stuff.
 
Well have you done the math? Lol, not that math is my strong point and I don't know her d.o.b. but I do know she was reportedly 26 when her father was arrested in Jul of '23 and so obviously, she couldn't have been in gestation in Feb of '96.

I'm sure they could, too, but don't let the fact that they haven't cloud your judgement as to whether they're true.


Burke is the only disgraced former police chief I'm aware of.
And I'm not aware of any wrong doing (or malfeasance, as Marge would say, lol!) on anyone's part except those maybe those under Burke... I don't remember the details of that case, just that there were other officers with him when he did what he did- but to me, that case has nothing to do with this case.


It's actually what I thought was the most likely scenario, that is, that on the dates of the disappearances, the perp's family was out of town.
I am going to be totally honest no, I did not do the math myself and where I used to when I had time never replied on others would have checked it myself but no, I have not. I trusted the many saying such which is not my normal way. If she was 26 then we are within what a year tops plust gestation? Where are you getting your facts on her age at that time and to the close side or far side?

Good point though IF that is true. Believe it or not I had a lot of math awards and spelling in my life and office skills and I don't mean just in my classroom but taking local, going to mid, and next would be state, etc. I will admit though don't practice them any longer just comes natural BUT no I did not double check here what has been said.

I am going to call on @Tresir do we know daughter's birth date and what have you to say about this. However, Regina where do you get this from as to her age and on what date? Let's dive into that.

Yes, Burke. And I disagree with you there wasn't more and a whole lot under him and politics and b.s. doesn't, didn't, etc. go on there and still does. It is one of the epicenters of it. NYC and area in general. You know no one can take someone else out when you know they know what you are doing have done etc. plus who wants to lose their job by not going alone with the leader.

Who is Marge? You talking Simpson? It is amazing if so I could even make that guess as that is so not something I know of, follow or ever did. If I am wrong have no idea who you refer to.

I know when someone is younger than I just by things like that lol. Or raised elsewhere from I. But mostly younger.

It is not hard to believe CB is guilty and wife and family were out of town. They know it with a couple of the SUSPECTED time of deaths but no death dates are known. NONE. And we have no way of knowing if they were out of town for all plus we don't know how many of the others he MAY be responsiible for. I find it impossible to believe this woman never wondered at minimum about this local to them dumping ground never being her hub when they were out of town at those very times. And no one can tell me she did not know of his escort and other sh*t or suspect it. No way in heck. And IF he did others and had been doing this for a lot longer what she knew, came to know or what their agreement was. that's just ONE possibility...

I don't know if she was involved or not, knew or not at some point or always, but between her hairs and CB's arrest, they were ready for this possibility and what she would do or she was right to filing for divorce immediately, who to go to and so on. THAT is very beyond DAMINING to m e. No one blindsided that quickly DOE S THAT. Let's not even go to the TV deal. All while playing Ms. woebegone and not doing it very well imo.

I take it you think he did the crimes charged with but she is innocent of all or anything? And that they couldn't have been swingers whether she was pregnant or not with the Vergata story?

Not judging it, just asking. There's no way for any of us to know a lot of this yet and I sure hope they don't stop and have some other power or political b.s. and image that plays into stopping any justice and checking into any possible case in any state and every one here right in NY as well.

Asa isn't flying with me.

I kind of sidetracked from math and daughter's gestation time lol but just trying to catch up and doing all other threads before Daybell or I won't see or catch up on any other case once I get there as that is the ongoing trial one that tI am already behind on but been behind on these others with seeing recent posts so amd doing these first.
 
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I think Burke is the most likely second serial killer. He called off the FBI and did some really strange and violent things. Like the guy he beat the :poop: out of for stealing his porn and other sex toys stuff. The FBI might be working on those, but I bet a lot of evidence was destroyed.
Believe it or not, not going to diss or argue that as it isn't the most out there thought in this one/this sh*t. And based on a lot of facts. And I said myself back when I recalled a lot of LE and claims of parties and hookers and LI and as it talked to Gilbert and more.

I mean Burke could have been just shutting all down because he knew if anyone looked to close or went to the areas where hookers of either sex worked and tried to talk to them or hung around in surveillance, his own thing would likely be caught or exposed and he couldn't go do his things.... BUT he beat up the one guy, had his stuff taken with all his what dildos and such and computer Lord imagine... He nixed in every way this investigation into Gilbert and more.

Yes, very well could be.

AND/OR all I see is more and more of it. I mean even the cop that took Karen to Rex's and left her there, more LE and the swinging and so on and all he talk and rumors from way way back when of LI or this part and cops and big name people having parties with sex workers and more....

In some ways Burke seems like too much of a weinie to throttle or kill anyone, dismember, spread parts, etc. but then aren't a lot of killes ones who were never thought to be capable or much of anything...

How he HE77 did someone like him even get into a position of power. That is another subject entirely in that never thing the powers that be and the people that run our world are taking care of us or are the ones that should be. That was such a lie learned in childhood and elementary school. Or at least it is today and has been for a long time.
 
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In other words, it's an educated guess?
It appears to me it's unlikely she was pregnant at the time but even if she was, I don't agree that it'd back up her story because that wasn't her story. That comes from someone who's trying to make her story make sense.
Yeah I did the maths so blame me. A witness signed an affidavit that stated Asa said she was pregnant in Feb '96. Add on 6 months, at most, would be a possible birth in Aug '96. In July '23 the child would be 26 and 27 in Aug 23.

So not an educated guess but a mathematics calculation. By all means please check my maths though LOL.

ETA Re Burke, I think you spoke too soon. See below.
 
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OMGG. Has this been posted yet? So was Burke RW ?


"Rex Heuermann's lawyer is attempting to shift the blame for the Gilgo Beach murders on to the corrupt former police chief who was previously in charge of the case.

Speaking outside the Long Island courthouse where his accused serial killer client had a hearing Wednesday morning, attorney Michael Brown said disgraced PC James Burke is 'involved' in the sordid affair.

'We received approximately almost 3,000 leads on this case,' he told reporters outside Suffolk County Supreme Court in Riverhead.

'There were numerous leads that came into the Suffolk County Police Department, suggesting that Chief Burke was involved in this.'

Burke allegedly led a double life involving crack, cross-dressing and relationships with prostitutes. He is serving jail time after being convicted of several offences including assault, public lewdness and unlawful solicitation after flashing in a park."



"Brown's comments came after his client, Heuermann, appeared in court wearing a black suit, white shirt and navy blue tie on Wednesday morning.
He listened intently to the hearing, which centered around troves of potential evidence seized from various devices related to the case.
The 60-year-old father-of-two is charged with murdering four female sex workers whose bodies were found buried on a remote stretch of Gilgo Beach more than 10 years ago.
His ex-wife, Asa Ellerup, was also spotted pulling up in a black Mercedes outside the Long Island courthouse. "

Much more at link.
 
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I think Burke is the most likely second serial killer. He called off the FBI and did some really strange and violent things. Like the guy he beat the :poop: out of for stealing his porn and other sex toys stuff. The FBI might be working on those, but I bet a lot of evidence was destroyed.
Looks like you could be right. For once, I am agreeing with you LOL.
 
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I am going to call on @Tresir do we know daughter's birth date and what have you to say about this. However, Regina where do you get this from as to her age and on what date? Let's dive into that.
I don't know her birthdate, just that when he was arrested, it was reported that she was 26.
Who is Marge? You talking Simpson? It is amazing if so I could even make that guess is that is so snot something I know of, follow or ever did. If I am wrong have no idea who you refer to.
Sorry, I didn't give much of a clue as to who the heck is Marge. lol! She's a character from the movie, Fargo, whose dialogue from her and others in the movie (accompanied with a Minnesota dialect, of course) occasionally pops into my mind and out of my mouth, lol!

I take it you think he did the crimes charged with but she is innocent of all or anything? And that they couldn't have been swingers whether she was pregnant or not with the Vergata story?
Yes, I think he's guilty of the crimes he's charged with and no, I don't think Asa knew he was a serial killer.
As for whether they were swingers, even if I knew they were, I still wouldn't believe the Vergata story.
 

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