Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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I still think Vergata could be another LISK victim and if she was, I think she was most likely prostituting at the time, not swinging- a story that's never made sense to me in the first place.
 
I still think Vergata could be another LISK victim and if she was, I think she was most likely prostituting at the time, not swinging- a story that's never made sense to me in the first place.
I don't think it's been implied Vergata ever was a swinger or intended to swing, she was picked up yes as a prostitute to be a 4th in a swinging thing when they didn' have one. OR for other reasons CB related. But maybe because Asa was abstaining as she was pregnant so another female needed. Plus she was down on her luck and easy pickings. Shew as a prostitute that I'm sorry but it is often the case of what they are paid for or offered, swinging? A threesome? A BJ? Just out of jail allegedly and picked up by a cop and his gf for a swinging party.

I don't think anything has ever been said that Karen Vergata was all about swinging, it has been made clear she was a prostitute.

And also think she could well be a victim of his and agree wholeheartedly on that one.

In fact it may well have been CB telling the cop pick me up a hooker when you come. Seriously. Although it seems very likely even before that, perhaps a plan. This very officer may have been up on her getting out of jail, having no options, no help from dad if she called and he refused,etc. She had drug arrests and he was narcotics.

There's something here. Some meat somewhere in it if not all, then some and possibly all.
 
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A Man Faces Charges in Killings of the Gilgo 4. What About the Other 6?​

Rex Heuermann has been charged in four murders, but 10 bodies have been found. Investigators hope fresh leads and new technology may close the cases.

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Investigators have interviewed a woman who told of meeting a victim during a swingers' party at Mr. Heuermann’s house in 1996.Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
Corey Kilgannon
By Corey Kilgannon
March 8, 2024
When the authorities announced the arrest of Rex Heuermann last summer in four of the Gilgo Beach serial killings, the relieved families of the slain women stood with them.
But along that desolate stretch of Long Island beach, at least 10 bodies were found. And loved ones of the other victims await answers more than a dozen years later.
“The Gilgo case is still mostly unsolved,” said Lorraine Paulino, 54, who said she met one of the six victims, Karen Vergata, shortly before she disappeared.
To crack the cold case, the task force that formed in early 2022 focused on the so-called Gilgo Four, the most immediately solvable cases, which led to the arrest last summer of Mr. Heuermann, 60.

“When you start a puzzle, you have to start with the most obvious pieces,” the Suffolk County district attorney, Ray Tierney, said in an interview.
The uniform way the bodies were treated bore the hallmarks of a serial killer. Investigators had a strong set of clues including DNA and mobile phone data linking the four bodies to Mr. Heuermann, who has pleaded not guilty to killing the women.
Mr. Tierney, who helped lead the investigative task force, said it would now turn to the cases of the other six victims. But connecting those remains to Mr. Heuermann or anyone else will be tougher. They are colder cases with fewer clues and more random characteristics than the Gilgo Four.
The six victims were found dispersed along several miles, compared with the comparatively neat grouping of the Gilgo Four along a quarter-mile. Three remain unidentified. Four were dismembered. Clues like DNA, phone records and life details are scant.

Still, investigators hope that recent advances in DNA technology that became key in charging Mr. Heuermann can help solve these six cases that have stumped investigators for 13 years.
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Ray Tierney, the district attorney of Suffolk County, said that every death is being investigated without preconceptions.Credit...Bing Guan for The New York Times
Many hundreds of tips to the police have poured in since the arrest of Mr. Heuermann, who remains in a Suffolk County jail awaiting his next court date on April 17. And investigators have been interviewing detainees in Suffolk and Nassau County jails who may have worked as escorts. Of 168 interviewed, 15 have yielded information considered relevant enough to pass on to investigators, said the Suffolk County sheriff, Errol Toulon Jr.
Relatives and friends hope that the re-energized investigation and the explosion of media interest from Mr. Heuermann’s arrest may finally help investigators solve the other victims’ cases.
“They owe it to the girls and their families,” said Ms. Paulino, a Long Island nurse. Suffolk County detectives have interviewed her about her account of meeting Ms. Vergata at a swingers’ party at Mr. Heuermann’s home in 1996 — after which Ms. Paulino says she saw a distressed Ms. Vergata run out of the house naked.
“To go all those years with no information,” Ms. Paulino said. “You want to see whoever did it pay for it.”

Mr. Tierney seemed to hint at progress.
“I can say that what we made public is an infinitesimally small fraction of the work we’ve done” on the case overall, he said.
Remains of all 10 victims — eight women, a man, and a little girl — were found around the midpoint of a 15-mile stretch of Ocean Parkway running east from Jones Beach. All the identified women had worked as escorts.
The Gilgo Four, who were discovered in December 2010 along a desolate oceanfront, seemed to be the prey of a serial killer: four young, petite women dumped within a quarter-mile within three years of being found.
Their remains were complete and bound with burlap, belts and tape, which helped to trap human hairs that prosecutors used for DNA evidence to connect the bodies to Mr. Heuermann.
“They were deposited in the same manner, in the same general location, and there were four burner phones used in the same way in all four deaths” to contact the victims, among other similarities, Mr. Tierney said.

But the other six sets of remains, found in early 2011, were disposed of differently. Body parts of two of the dismembered victims were found not only along Gilgo Beach, but in the same wooded area about 45 miles east in Manorville.
The other six bodies disappeared as long ago as the mid-1990s, when mobile phones and internet use were rare — along with the clues they leave. Their remains were exposed to the elements for more than a decade.
Still unidentified are an Asian male found wearing women’s clothing, a woman referred to as Peaches because of a tattoo and her toddler daughter left in a blanket, wearing gold jewelry and bearing no signs of trauma.
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Investigators hope that advances in DNA technology will lead to breakthroughs in the six unsolved deaths.Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
While the Gilgo Four remained in touch with their families up to their disappearance and were identified within weeks of discovery, the three other women whose identities are known had lost touch with theirs for years.

During the first decade of the investigation, DNA matches remained scant for the six bodies. Only one was identified, Jessica Taylor, who had disappeared at age 20 in 2003.
In recent years, advances in DNA technology helped investigators identify two more victims, Valerie Mack and Ms. Vergata.
DNA strides also helped connect Mr. Heuermann to the Gilgo Four bodies from withered strands of hair found with the four sets of remains, prosecutors say. “We’re hoping to use the same methodology” on the other six, Mr. Tierney said.
Victims’ families endured a case stalled by scandal, corruption and political infighting, amplified by a constant media circus. They also complained for years that investigators ignored them, but the families seem to have a closer relationship with the current investigators now.
Edwin Mack, a retired engineer from South Jersey, last saw his daughter Valerie in 2000 when she went missing at 24. Two decades later, Suffolk County detectives notified him and his wife, JoAnn, that Valerie had been identified as a Gilgo victim through genetic genealogy.

“We think they’re doing an excellent job,” Mr. Mack said, adding that investigators have visited them several times seeking information. “The detectives seem to be quite thorough in their digging, and they have gone into detail with us.”
In 2021, the Macks were able to claim Valerie’s remains, which are now cremated and kept in a container next to her framed photo. In 2022, they held a memorial on their back deck.
“She has finally been brought home after all these years,” Mr. Mack said.
The Gilgo investigation started with Shannan Gilbert, 24, who in May 2010 disappeared while working as an escort in Oak Beach several miles east of Gilgo and was later found dead there. Her search led to the discovery of the Gilgo bodies, but Suffolk authorities have never deemed her death a homicide or considered her part of the investigation.
Her family’s lawyer, John Ray, said the authorities had prioritized the Gilgo Four to arrest Mr. Heuermann, “but what good is it to the victims whose case not been solved?”
“For every minute they spend on those four, they’re not spending on the other seven cases that need acute attention,” he said.

He accused Suffolk authorities of riding a wave of good publicity from the Heuermann arrest while neglecting the other six cases because of their difficulty, all while maintaining good relations with families “because they don’t want the victims’ families speaking out.”
Mr. Tierney defended prioritizing the four cases as crucial to catching Mr. Heuermann, but he would not discuss whether Mr. Heuermann was a suspect in the other killings. He said that the grand jury empaneled last year will remain in place.
“Each body, each crime scene is different,” he said. “And you look at the evidence as if you have no suspects and work from there.”
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An earlier version of this article incorrectly said that all Gilgo Beach victims worked as escorts. Investigators have said only that the victims who have been identified worked as escorts.
 
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At this point, the murders of Karen Vergata, "Peaches" and her toddler, Valerie Mack, Jessica Taylor and "Cherries" appear to me could all be committed by the same perp but I'm doubting whether they are and certainly doubting it's R.H. There's just not enough info.
And then there's the unidentified Asian male, whose circumstance on the surface appears more different than similar...
 
But in that scenario, who's swinging with whom? Lol!
Yeah true. I think this claim has some likely meat and the woman's name is out and she is speaking somewhat. I know the name but forget the first right now, Paulino I think last name.

It sound as if LE has talked to her and hopefully to her bf officer... If this happened at their home and Asa was present AND Rex and the man had sex together and more it changes a LOT of things or gives some likelihood to other things or possibilities that many of us think or wonder anyhow.

Like the other victims and the transgender male. Like murders even torture being done at home. Like Asa knowing. Lots more if this one is true...Where were the kids when this woman was being chased or so it sounds?
 
At this point, the murders of Karen Vergata, "Peaches" and her toddler, Valerie Mack, Jessica Taylor and "Cherries" appear to me could all be committed by the same perp but I'm doubting whether they are and certainly doubting it's R.H. There's just not enough info.
And then there's the unidentified Asian male, whose circumstance on the surface appears more different than similar...
I think it's up in the air on them all from the little we know. I do think it's entirely possible it is him and his manner and disposal changed over times and perhaps a bit of a ritual or practice developed and more confined dumping ground.

While the Asian male may seem different he was dressed like a female and per the swinging story Rex also had sex with the male cop. We also have searches of CB's that include like ten year old blondes or some such and we don't have any child victims other than the baby so there are hints he was all over the board with regard to sexual interests...

I agree there just isn't enough info, at least for us to be sure.

There ARE a lot of similarties, basically all sex workers for one. As I think Tresir's article said, they don't have the same cell phone tech and such with some of the older ones or ways of contact the perp may have employed. It could have been CB and doing it more happenstance, pick one up etc... Answering newspaper ads and so on. Calling from a landline or surfing the street corners or bar, etc.?

They've got a big job ahead just on the four but they have it pretty much and it is in the hands of prosecutors and it is time to start doing something on these others at the same time and as well. And perhaps they are but don't drop the ball, keep moving it forward imo.
 
I think it's up in the air on them all from the little we know. I do think it's entirely possible it is him and his manner and disposal changed over times and perhaps a bit of a ritual or practice developed and more confined dumping ground.

While the Asian male may seem different he was dressed like a female and per the swinging story Rex also had sex with the male cop. We also have searches of CB's that include like ten year old blondes or some such and we don't have any child victims other than the baby so there are hints he was all over the board with regard to sexual interests...

I agree there just isn't enough info, at least for us to be sure.

There ARE a lot of similarties, basically all sex workers for one. As I think Tresir's article said, they don't have the same cell phone tech and such with some of the older ones or ways of contact the perp may have employed. It could have been CB and doing it more happenstance, pick one up etc... Answering newspaper ads and so on. Calling from a landline or surfing the street corners or bar, etc.?

They've got a big job ahead just on the four but they have it pretty much and it is in the hands of prosecutors and it is time to start doing something on these others at the same time and as well. And perhaps they are but don't drop the ball, keep moving it forward imo.
Re the phones, 96/97 was the first mobile (cell) phone I had and I still have that same phone number. Obviously I have updated my phones since then over the years. So they were just coming on the scene at that time. I still have all my old phones too.

Didn't he do a search on something regarding an Asian cross dresser IIRC? Also were any of those people's relatives or friends contacted and taunted like some of the later ones?

Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor's partial remains were found relatively quickly after they disappeared so hopefully they could be the next ones to be solved if there was any perp DNA found on them. Also both of these partial remains were found in Manorville. They also both disappeared in the summer months.

From my list

2000

  • 2000: Valerie Mack last seen by family members in spring or summer, Port Republic, New Jersey.
  • November 19, 2000: Partial remains of Valerie Mack found, Manorville, Long Island, New York.
2003

  • July 2003: Jessica Taylor last seen, Port Authority Bus Terminal, Manhattan, New York.
  • July 26, 2003: Partial remains of Jessica Taylor found, Manorville, Long Island, New York.
 
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Re the phones, 96/97 was the first mobile (cell) phone I had and I still have that same phone number. Obviously I have updated my phones since then over the years. So they were just coming on the scene at that time. I still have all my old phones too.

Didn't he do a search on something regarding an Asian cross dresser IIRC? Also were any of those people's relatives or friends contacted and taunted like some of the later ones?

Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor's partial remains were found relatively quickly after they disappeared so hopefully they could be the next ones to be solved if there was any perp DNA found on them. Also both of these partial remains were found in Manorville. They also both disappeared in the summer months.

From my list

2000

  • 2000: Valerie Mack last seen by family members in spring or summer, Port Republic, New Jersey.
  • November 19, 2000: Partial remains of Valerie Mack found, Manorville, Long Island, New York.
2003

  • July 2003: Jessica Taylor last seen, Port Authority Bus Terminal, Manhattan, New York.
  • July 26, 2003: Partial remains of Jessica Taylor found, Manorville, Long Island, New York.
I am trying to recall. I know my first archaic and very slow nothing on it that I knew of much was in the 90s with a very old and slow computer. When we started seeing the first mobile phones most of us laughed at people who had them as some wannabe seem important person but it did change over the next years where they got smaller, more affordable and hey it was a way imo for me to check safety of family members etc., not that they carried one, but they could reach me and I got one. Man I am trying to recall. M 20 year job had the beginning of internet and bag phones, car pones, big mobile things and I started there in '93... I want to say by the year 2000 and before I for sure had my first cell phone and internet but can't recall exactly. If I take more time I perhaps can... Let me think on that. I can say though it wasn't common for most to arm their kids with them and so on, most were getting them themselves to check in on one and call the landline etc. But I remember Y2K and I think I already had all so I think you are right in there on time frame, I probably had both by '96 and at work beforehand. My eldest was a 2000 graduate and I got her a phone for like her 16th or 17th Christmas or perhaps 15th so yeah right in thosi 90s years.

So you have the same number and have every phone you ever had. I would too if not for my ex taking all. Initially one saves them not to do so forever but because if a new one doesn't work you still have the old or until you migrate and learn the new and then they eventually just end up in a drawer forever. O/T to this case but that can explain how many cell phone they found in Richard allen's home/family. I hate sticking up for him as I think him guilty but it could be explained that easily. Who else here has saved every cord with changing technology through a couple of decades? Just in case?

Yes he had something in his searches about Asians or cross dressing Asians or some such. Or each separately. Can't recall. I honestly think many here and out there haven't heard all that along with the ten or eleven or whatever it was blondes getting or doing some such. It was fairy graphic. At least for us not sick folk. he seemed to run the gamut. And this is one thing I have thought for a lot of years too, since the advent of the internet there is a hole one can go down with porn that will lead you to another and another and another and darker and darker.

And darker and darker. Where serial killers may have used to have a type I think we have a new breed these days where it is anything and every sick fantasy and I think it even helps create, or fuels such types. First they are searching for a fairly innocent normal thing and then they go down this hole and that hole and another hole. Most of which of course have control over some helpless being as the kick whether adult, minor, woman, someone they consider less than, Asian, etc. I will leave that at that. We are all adults and I think most can take that and go with it. his SEARCHES ran the gamut.

he definitely could be responsible for the Asian male. And just think about the swinging thing which is probably the more innocent of it all in the realm of it. This man imo was anything goes and the sick desire to dominate all types. He searched for it all. I'm sure there's more we don't even have a clue of. Imo.

Yes the ones found relatively quickly could yield more evidence and be the next if politics and b.s. doesn't get in the way again of justice first which politics should never affect but it sickly does these days all over the place.
 
I am trying to recall. I know my first archaic and very slow nothing on it that I knew of much was in the 90s with a very old and slow computer. When we started seeing the first mobile phones most of us laughed at people who had them as some wannabe seem important person but it did change over the next years where they got smaller, more affordable and hey it was a way imo for me to check safety of family members etc., not that they carried one, but they could reach me and I got one. Man I am trying to recall. M 20 year job had the beginning of internet and bag phones, car pones, big mobile things and I started there in '93... I want to say by the year 2000 and before I for sure had my first cell phone and internet but can't recall exactly. If I take more time I perhaps can... Let me think on that. I can say though it wasn't common for most to arm their kids with them and so on, most were getting them themselves to check in on one and call the landline etc. But I remember Y2K and I think I already had all so I think you are right in there on time frame, I probably had both by '96 and at work beforehand. My eldest was a 2000 graduate and I got her a phone for like her 16th or 17th Christmas or perhaps 15th so yeah right in thosi 90s years.

So you have the same number and have every phone you ever had. I would too if not for my ex taking all. Initially one saves them not to do so forever but because if a new one doesn't work you still have the old or until you migrate and learn the new and then they eventually just end up in a drawer forever. O/T to this case but that can explain how many cell phone they found in Richard allen's home/family. I hate sticking up for him as I think him guilty but it could be explained that easily. Who else here has saved every cord with changing technology through a couple of decades? Just in case?

Yes he had something in his searches about Asians or cross dressing Asians or some such. Or each separately. Can't recall. I honestly think many here and out there haven't heard all that along with the ten or eleven or whatever it was blondes getting or doing some such. It was fairy graphic. At least for us not sick folk. he seemed to run the gamut. And this is one thing I have thought for a lot of years too, since the advent of the internet there is a hole one can go down with porn that will lead you to another and another and another and darker and darker.

And darker and darker. Where serial killers may have used to have a type I think we have a new breed these days where it is anything and every sick fantasy and I think it even helps create, or fuels such types. First they are searching for a fairly innocent normal thing and then they go down this hole and that hole and another hole. Most of which of course have control over some helpless being as the kick whether adult, minor, woman, someone they consider less than, Asian, etc. I will leave that at that. We are all adults and I think most can take that and go with it. his SEARCHES ran the gamut.

he definitely could be responsible for the Asian male. And just think about the swinging thing which is probably the more innocent of it all in the realm of it. This man imo was anything goes and the sick desire to dominate all types. He searched for it all. I'm sure there's more we don't even have a clue of. Imo.

Yes the ones found relatively quickly could yield more evidence and be the next if politics and b.s. doesn't get in the way again of justice first which politics should never affect but it sickly does these days all over the place.
Yes I guess I would update my phone about every 4 or 5 years so i guess I have perhaps about 5 old ones. Nothing like RA (14?). Not sure how many CB had but I bet he has one for every victim.
 
Yeah true. I think this claim has some likely meat and the woman's name is out and she is speaking somewhat.
I just know that most of what she claims doesn't make a lick o' sense to me and so to say I'm skeptical of anything she's claimed is an understatement.

I think it's up in the air on them all from the little we know. I do think it's entirely possible it is him and his manner and disposal changed over times and perhaps a bit of a ritual or practice developed and more confined dumping ground.

There ARE a lot of similarties, basically all sex workers for one.
Well it isn't yet known that "Peaches" and "Cherries", and the Asian male were sex workers...
And while there are obvious similarities- most incriminating, I think, is that with the exception of "Cherries", partial remains of all of the victims were recovered from along Ocean Parkway- I'm considering dissimilarities and that there's vital info re unidentified victims that isn't known.
 
Yes I guess I would update my phone about every 4 or 5 years so i guess I have perhaps about 5 old ones. Nothing like RA (14?). Not sure how many CB had but I bet he has one for every victim.
yeah it is said I think a new burner phone pattern for every new victim or plan hasn't it? read that recently I think in some thing you linked supporting what I thought we had heard before. I do read links or try when I have a moment.

well not in Delphi so much as I always regret it. it is always either a repeat, i've seen before, old news OR some irriating annoying thing filed by the defense which is how I unfortunately started out today this early morn.

I guess they could have ricky's first three phones, the daughter's first five, and Kathy's first how many they never get rid of. Like I said, can't we all identify with a drawer full of cords or an entertainment center cabinet full of them at points in our lives with ever changing technology from cable cords for TV to hard wired printer cords to phone cords, to splitters, to USB to whatever cords and so on and so on.

It is very possible because of this and you saving yours that every phone found in RA's home is nothingness and if he had one that incriminated it is long gone. However, it is also possible he kept things because of what was on them for his own reviewing pleasure. It is also possible that old perhaps innocent yielding phones may show SOMETHING in who he knew, what he talked of or texted or accessed online, etc.

With CB, I don't think he kept any of these single time track phones did he? Or they found such? Or did he? Not sure we know. They were able to find and triangulate or whatever though and part of that probably starts with the number that called for instance Amber Costello. And others. As well as taunting calls to friends or family.

I will tell you this, I probably stuck every old phone in a drawer always meaning to get contacts or pics off it at some point or in case I didn't learn my new one etc. lol. My lying cheatingi ex on the other hand to my knowledge kept none when we changed or if he did they were hidden. I threw two in the burning fireplace one Christmas so they were gone when he couldn't be reached in an emergency and I'd had it and said why carry one. He left to supposedly go to my parents and drop off the main part of the meal we were going to have for my mom to start cooking and never came home all Christmas Eve. I wont' go into it but suffice it to say he wasn't at my parents, my daughter came home, family was coming and going to my parents and he had been missing all day and of course I'd found he left my parents that morning five miles away but never came home.

Yeah people like cheaters and and liars and killers aren't going to keep their old phones in a drawer with their wife and child's. THAT is what this wandering point is I am trying to make. It truly depends on where these phones were found with RA. And if they were his.

If they were just family old phones in the home they probably aren't going to yield much although they may yield communications of what was going on in these days and the day of the murder. But the man has had five years and known he did it to get rid of such....

So I wouldn't count on the 14 phones or whatever in RA being important, unless he had them hidden and kept... Like under his underwear in a drawer at minimum or in a shed.
 
I just know that most of what she claims doesn't make a lick o' sense to me and so to say I'm skeptical of anything she's claimed is an understatement.


Well it isn't yet known that "Peaches" and "Cherries", and the Asian male were sex workers...
And while there are obvious similarities- most incriminating, I think, is that with the exception of "Cherries", partial remains of all of the victims were recovered from along Ocean Parkway- I'm considering dissimilarities and that there's vital info re unidentified victims that isn't known.
While it could be true or false, I don't see where what she says doesn't make sense to you. And there is many a thing in it that can be disproven or corroborated. And she's now allowed herself to be named and has come out under her name. And recently I see she is a LI nurse. It would certainly be quite the story if not true. And it could be true but not Vergata and still occurred at CB's home.

I'm not sure what her purpose would be if she didn't think this was the case or why she'd want to destroy her life. Even from the swinger's club to the note up from the Heuermann's at the swinger's club, even though years ago, there's a great chance so many things could be corroborated. For that reason to the cop bf and to the fact Karen did just get out of jail, it is highly believable imo. So what is it that doesn't make a lick of sense to you? The very abnormal behavior all were going to engage in? That there's no one in this world that doesn't swing or have orgies or ever clubbed in such places and so on?

No it isn't known that Peaches or the Asian male were sex workers, at least I take your word on that and don't recall that confirmed. How could it be confirmed, they don't have identities yet. I am not assuming but I don't think it is a big leap to think an Asian male dressed as a female found dead wasn't picked up for sexual or killing purposes whether a sex worker or not. With Peaches and the fact there was a baby too of hers, that's a harder one. She truly could be unrelated. But whether CB or someone else it isn't impossible they picked her up with the baby and offered a ride or some such and that in his earlier days he was trolling for anyone or doing different. I definitely agree it is not a given they were victims of CB though.

The volume of this case and enormity and dates and of all the deaths and bodies, not just necessarily of CB all of them is hard to track. Were any of these deaths BEFORE Asa and CB were married? I guess I'd have to look at that. With Vergata she would have been pregnant it is figured and that wasn't long after they married if I recall. They were allegedly swinging at that time and prior.

@Tresir not to put on you but you are so up on it was Karen the first or down the line of the older murders?
 
While it could be true or false, I don't see where what she says doesn't make sense to you. And there is many a thing in it that can be disproven or corroborated. And she's now allowed herself to be named and has come out under her name. And recently I see she is a LI nurse. It would certainly be quite the story if not true. And it could be true but not Vergata and still occurred at CB's home.

I'm not sure what her purpose would be if she didn't think this was the case or why she'd want to destroy her life. Even from the swinger's club to the note up from the Heuermann's at the swinger's club, even though years ago, there's a great chance so many things could be corroborated. For that reason to the cop bf and to the fact Karen did just get out of jail, it is highly believable imo. So what is it that doesn't make a lick of sense to you? The very abnormal behavior all were going to engage in? That there's no one in this world that doesn't swing or have orgies or ever clubbed in such places and so on?

No it isn't known that Peaches or the Asian male were sex workers, at least I take your word on that and don't recall that confirmed. How could it be confirmed, they don't have identities yet. I am not assuming but I don't think it is a big leap to think an Asian male dressed as a female found dead wasn't picked up for sexual or killing purposes whether a sex worker or not. With Peaches and the fact there was a baby too of hers, that's a harder one. She truly could be unrelated. But whether CB or someone else it isn't impossible they picked her up with the baby and offered a ride or some such and that in his earlier days he was trolling for anyone or doing different. I definitely agree it is not a given they were victims of CB though.

The volume of this case and enormity and dates and of all the deaths and bodies, not just necessarily of CB all of them is hard to track. Were any of these deaths BEFORE Asa and CB were married? I guess I'd have to look at that. With Vergata she would have been pregnant it is figured and that wasn't long after they married if I recall. They were allegedly swinging at that time and prior.

@Tresir not to put on you but you are so up on it was Karen the first or down the line of the older murders?
In the timeline, Karen is the first in '96. Though probably later, we don't know the exact dates that Cherries, Peaches and her toddler, plus the Asian Guy went missing as they are not identified yet. Also Shannan (May 2010), the last one and most recent one found in Dec 2011, whose search prompted most of the body discoveries, is still unsolved right?

This does beg the question, did he stop in 2010? Become the Route 29 stalker? Or what?
 
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yeah it is said I think a new burner phone pattern for every new victim or plan hasn't it? read that recently I think in some thing you linked supporting what I thought we had heard before. I do read links or try when I have a moment.

well not in Delphi so much as I always regret it. it is always either a repeat, i've seen before, old news OR some irriating annoying thing filed by the defense which is how I unfortunately started out today this early morn.

I guess they could have ricky's first three phones, the daughter's first five, and Kathy's first how many they never get rid of. Like I said, can't we all identify with a drawer full of cords or an entertainment center cabinet full of them at points in our lives with ever changing technology from cable cords for TV to hard wired printer cords to phone cords, to splitters, to USB to whatever cords and so on and so on.

It is very possible because of this and you saving yours that every phone found in RA's home is nothingness and if he had one that incriminated it is long gone. However, it is also possible he kept things because of what was on them for his own reviewing pleasure. It is also possible that old perhaps innocent yielding phones may show SOMETHING in who he knew, what he talked of or texted or accessed online, etc.

With CB, I don't think he kept any of these single time track phones did he? Or they found such? Or did he? Not sure we know. They were able to find and triangulate or whatever though and part of that probably starts with the number that called for instance Amber Costello. And others. As well as taunting calls to friends or family.

I will tell you this, I probably stuck every old phone in a drawer always meaning to get contacts or pics off it at some point or in case I didn't learn my new one etc. lol. My lying cheatingi ex on the other hand to my knowledge kept none when we changed or if he did they were hidden. I threw two in the burning fireplace one Christmas so they were gone when he couldn't be reached in an emergency and I'd had it and said why carry one. He left to supposedly go to my parents and drop off the main part of the meal we were going to have for my mom to start cooking and never came home all Christmas Eve. I wont' go into it but suffice it to say he wasn't at my parents, my daughter came home, family was coming and going to my parents and he had been missing all day and of course I'd found he left my parents that morning five miles away but never came home.

Yeah people like cheaters and and liars and killers aren't going to keep their old phones in a drawer with their wife and child's. THAT is what this wandering point is I am trying to make. It truly depends on where these phones were found with RA. And if they were his.

If they were just family old phones in the home they probably aren't going to yield much although they may yield communications of what was going on in these days and the day of the murder. But the man has had five years and known he did it to get rid of such....

So I wouldn't count on the 14 phones or whatever in RA being important, unless he had them hidden and kept... Like under his underwear in a drawer at minimum or in a shed.
Because CB never chucked sh*t away I have a feeling they found the phone bills with alias names at his home for the burner phones but I am not sure about that. I just remember reading something. Does that ring a bell with you?
(LOL phone/ring a bell )

Also, wasn't he advertising on Craig's list too at one time? 🤮

This link gives me a reminder and I remember the lovely selfie he took presumably for his Craig's List entry.

The article also reminds me they caught him putting credit on one of his burner phones and also tracked his burner phones from the calls to victims' families.

 
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I just know that most of what she claims doesn't make a lick o' sense to me and so to say I'm skeptical of anything she's claimed is an understatement.


Well it isn't yet known that "Peaches" and "Cherries", and the Asian male were sex workers...
And while there are obvious similarities- most incriminating, I think, is that with the exception of "Cherries", partial remains of all of the victims were recovered from along Ocean Parkway- I'm considering dissimilarities and that there's vital info re unidentified victims that isn't known.
Yeah, I think they have to work on identifying them further in order to trace last movements etc and then see if they advertised on Craig's List or similar.
 
In the timeline, Karen is the first in '96. Though probably later, we don't know the exact dates that Cherries, Peaches and her toddler, plus the Asian Guy went missing as they are not identified yet. Also Shannan (May 2010), the last one and most recent one found in Dec 2011, whose search prompted most of the body discoveries, is still unsolved right?

This does beg the question, did he stop in 2010? Become the Route 29 stalker? Or what?
So all murders other than the ones we don't have names or estimated times for were after CB and CB2 were together... Hmmm. So you get married and that's when it all starts... To CB2. Although who knows what he had done before just as what he did when they stopped...

I don't think he stopped and one solid reason for thinking so is they moved in before they wanted to necessarily because they felt he was showing the signs of another plan or intent, got another phone, etc. and was looking, searching, etc.
 
In the timeline, Karen is the first in '96. Though probably later, we don't know the exact dates that Cherries, Peaches and her toddler, plus the Asian Guy went missing as they are not identified yet. Also Shannan (May 2010), the last one and most recent one found in Dec 2011, whose search prompted most of the body discoveries, is still unsolved right?

This does beg the question, did he stop in 2010? Become the Route 29 stalker? Or what?
Thank you. I thought so but wasn't sure. So arguably the night with Karen was a first if true or first known... Early in marriage, swinging days. Again if true. It really puts or could put Asa front and center, he had his cover, his partner...

I don't know but some real food for thought imo...
 
Because CB never chucked sh*t away I have a feeling they found the phone bills with alias names at his home for the burner phones but I am not sure about that. I just remember reading something. Does that ring a bell with you?
(LOL phone/ring a bell )

Also, wasn't he advertising on Craig's list too at one time? 🤮

This link gives me a reminder and I remember the lovely selfie he took presumably for his Craig's List entry.

The article also reminds me they caught him putting credit on one of his burner phones and also tracked his burner phones from the calls to victims' families.

Well both he and CB2 sound like hoarders so that's not hard to believe re phone bills lol. But I believe they had already tied him to burner phones anyhow.

I don't know if he advertised on CL or recallk that but know/believe he used it. And if true, he and CB2 advertised for swing partners at the club so yes they advertised. I remember the icky selfie, was that for a CL ad?

Yes, before they ever searched their home they had tied him to burner phone numbers, pretty certainly.
 

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