Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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RW yeah. That's right. Let's think Robin Williams or some such known person so we will recall the initials. Red Wing would work for me, that' is a city here. Rich Woodmakers? Is that called a pnemone or do I have the wrong term? The minute you said the initials I knew that's what we heard but couldn't recall them either. Rotate West? Lol. Just something that helps us keep it in mind as this HUGE case with so many victims goes on. And parts.

When you sid narcotics officer, it immediately resonated too and sure that is right as to what we heard before.

Makes it harder as they are likely going to have been more unknown or undercover...? Except if it is like the one on the local police force with the dog, where I live we all knew which officer that one was for city and county. I guess what I mean is was he undercover narcotics? 1996 was 28 years ago, would he still be working today or retired...
I am thinking if he is still alive he would be a similar age to the witness, who is 54 and CB who is 59. Likely retired maybe. Most narcotics are undercover right? As I said I found three with those initials already so it may be difficult and the point is also made in the article that she was alive when they left so they did not witness anything else. I wonder if they have interviewed Rex and Asa about it?

The fourth one he is charged with is
Melissa Barthelemy. The four charged went missing in the years 2007, 2009 and two in 2010. I am now wondering about the Route 29 victims and whether they fall in the gap years, so I will check that out.
 
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I am thinking if he is still alive he would be a similar age to the witness, who is 54 and CB who is 59. Likely retired maybe. Most narcotics are undercover right? As I said I found 3 with those initials already so it may be difficult and the point is also made in the article that she was alive when they left so they did not witness anything else. I wonder if they have interviewed Rex and Asa about it?
It would make sense on the age that he was in that age range/area. Narcotics if there are such officers in this part of the NYC amay be under cover but like where I lived , not necessarily. Where I come from there can simply be a police officer or deputy with the one drug dog/canine for county or city. I can name the officers through some years just as most of the public can but then I come from a ruual, smaller, lower big crime kind of place where the only special training that officer would maybe have is the canine handling, etc. NY in the NYC area would be different I'd imagine. I couldn't tell ya with the suburb, precinct, borough or whatever.

Where did I miss, I must have, that you found three with the right initials? Wow. I caught up quickly I thought but missed that. Just shows you it isn't necessarily that private if you found tha--do you mean just officers with those initials or narcotics officers?

I'd say it comes from TV and true crime that we think all it is undercover because even though more rural it isn't like we didn't have dru problems and we had even a two county combined drug enforcement and swat team consisting of officers from two counties but I still knew who was on it, officers from both counties.

Not to say there may not have been some we didn't know of but I guess my POINT is he could have been known to have been one or been an undercover...?

Not sure if I am making any sense but I guess I just don't know the big city stuff and areas or NY.

So you found three, again I missed that somehow so I need to go back but won't be tonight. Are they are all narcotics or found three officers?

As far as retirement even in our smaller more rural pops of the US or agencies, cops can generally retire in their 50s with a pretty good retirement which is why I wondered that, not that all do but it isn't uncommon and they've had enough by then and maybe it is even pushed somewhat..

I need to go back and look at what you found. Thought I read all posts not sure how I missed it.

I'm a bit surprised no one on the big wide web hasn't figured it out. I sure haven't seen such.
 
Ok I cannot access the NewsDay article again no matter what I do. It let me read it once and now I cannot access it to read it again. If you can read it it was a personal story about Karen's ashes finally going back to her sons after all this time.

The other article I copied and the affidavit can be read. The initials are RW as being the cop who was a narcotics detective at Prospect Park, Brooklyn, NYPD. I think that is the 78th Precinct. I did a quick Google and found several RW's who were fallen officers, due to after effects of the inhalation of toxic material from the 911 incident.
Is this the post you mean? You found several who all succumbed? Not seeing any others.
 
It would make sense on the age that he was in that age range/area. Narcotics if there are such officers in this part of the NYC amay be under cover but like where I lived , not necessarily. Where I come from there can simply be a police officer or deputy with the one drug dog/canine for county or city. I can name the officers through some years just as most of the public can but then I come from a ruual, smaller, lower big crime kind of place where the only special training that officer would maybe have is the canine handling, etc. NY in the NYC area would be different I'd imagine. I couldn't tell ya with the suburb, precinct, borough or whatever.

Where did I miss, I must have, that you found three with the right initials? Wow. I caught up quickly I thought but missed that. Just shows you it isn't necessarily that private if you found tha--do you mean just officers with those initials or narcotics officers?

I'd say it comes from TV and true crime that we think all it is undercover because even though more rural it isn't like we didn't have dru problems and we had even a two county combined drug enforcement and swat team consisting of officers from two counties but I still knew who was on it, officers from both counties.

Not to say there may not have been some we didn't know of but I guess my POINT is he could have been known to have been one or been an undercover...?

Not sure if I am making any sense but I guess I just don't know the big city stuff and areas or NY.

So you found three, again I missed that somehow so I need to go back but won't be tonight. Are they are all narcotics or found three officers?

As far as retirement even in our smaller more rural pops of the US or agencies, cops can generally retire in their 50s with a pretty good retirement which is why I wondered that, not that all do but it isn't uncommon and they've had enough by then and maybe it is even pushed somewhat..

I need to go back and look at what you found. Thought I read all posts not sure how I missed it.

I'm a bit surprised no one on the big wide web hasn't figured it out. I sure haven't seen such.
There is a list of Fallen Officers for NYPD and I found them on there. It doesn't state whether any were narcotics but once I found three RWs, I stopped looking.
 
Yes that's the post. Sorry to be vague but RW must be common initials for NY cops.
I don't know that you were vague, I get no time. Just couldn't remember you said one I that about, like finding three or fallen, etc. reading your other response. I don't track easily with the little time.

So they are common initials even in that precinct or borough or whatever it is? That surprises me. Lots o Roberts, Richards and last name Wllliams or some such? I only WISH I had the time to look into. Seriously,

I just missed where you said such.

I can only imagine people in the area know who they are talking about and it sure is "mum" is the word about it...
 
Too bad there isn't some swinger list from the area lol like that would ever be the case but just dreaming...They only advertised on the swinger walls of the club, etc...
 
So that is the fallen, nothing from the living...?
I don't know where to find a list of current alive NYPD officers. There are multiple precincts and I did find out that Prospect Park is precinct 78. We would be looking for a 50 something officer in that precinct assuming he still works there, which I doubt. I gave up at that point LOL.
 
My God I just tried a general search on narcotics officers and Prospect Park, etc. I am so not a person who has been raised in such an area as NYC. For some reason though since I as unknowing of the name or area, it was like a bit less whatever. Not saying I came up with answers on this or RW, but I sure did get results on the problem, crimes and how bad it is and from several decades.

I could go down several rabbit holes there probably all unrelated to this case about narcotics busts, big ones, feds, officers AND a whole lot more. Over years on end. I went into like two links!

Even though I'd kill to live somewhere tropical, or warmer and diss my own area or might think at times the gass may be greener, never NY even state. have learned to appreciate how far gone a lot of many areas and the rest of the world have went where we are light years behind such. Not some big metropolis that is known world wide and politically so important, and deviant and so beyond here. Not that it doesn't creep in and will more and more so with what Is being done but still, people just aren't the same and it just isn't like that.

Off LISK I know, I just was surprised with a Prospect Park narcotis officer search what I got...

Again nothing I can relate here it just showed me how bad it is elsewhere and has been for a longer time.
 
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Ok I cannot access the NewsDay article again no matter what I do. It let me read it once and now I cannot access it to read it again. If you can read it it was a personal story about Karen's ashes finally going back to her sons after all this time.

The other article I copied and the affidavit can be read. The initials are RW as being the cop who was a narcotics detective at Prospect Park, Brooklyn, NYPD. I think that is the 78th Precinct. I did a quick Google and found several RW's who were fallen officers, due to after effects of the inhalation of toxic material from the 911 incident.
I have found an account of the Newsday article on Reddit.




Who was Gilgo Beach victim Karen Vergata?​


Who was Gilgo Beach victim Karen Vergata?
Karen Vergata is home again.
Her cremated remains are being been returned to her sons after almost 30 years amid a sprawling police investigation into a serial killer on Long Island.
Vergata was identified in August as a Gilgo Beach victim with scientific techniques not available when she went missing in 1996.
Gary Doherty, 35, and Eric Doherty, 33, said they are grateful for the chance to give their mother a dignified funeral.
“It is just a relief we can finally have her back,” Eric Doherty, who was a barely past toddler age when Vergata disappeared, told Newsday.
The woman who raised the brothers said they are finally getting answers and some closure.
“They want to have their mother placed in a grave where they, too, can lie in rest with her,” said Diane Doherty, 80, who — along with her late husband, Edward — adopted the boys in 1994. The Dohertys raised Gary and Eric for many years in Nesconset.
A troubled woman who dealt in drugs and prostitution, the 34-year-old Vergata’s remains were found in 1996 on Fire Island and also in 2011 near Jones Beach. Once only known as “Fire Island Jane Doe,” Vergata was publicly identified through genetic genealogy.
Gary, who was born with cerebral palsy and lives in a group home in upstate New York, cannot speak normally despite having normal cognitive ability. In a recent interview, he answered with an emphatic “Yes! Yes!” when asked if he was happy to finally get his mother’s remains. A staff worker at the group home said Gary thinks of his mother “every single day.”
It was a shock to find out about the manner how she passed, but a major relief was that it wasn’t her choice to leave.
—Eric, 33, Karen Vergata's son
Eric, who also lives upstate, said the ability to give a final ceremony for his mother after decades of uncertainty makes him feel at peace.
The effort by Vergata’s sons to give her a final resting place closes the circle on one of the tragic stories of a Gilgo Beach victim. Ten killings are considered by investigators to be part of the pattern, mostly of women sex workers. Vergata also was said to have worked as an escort.
A complicated life
Through a series of interviews and the examination of various court records, Newsday learned that Vergata had a complicated existence. For a few years, she had a relationship with a married man who fathered her two sons and who was a longtime employee of Fred Trump, former President Donald Trump’s late father. For a time, Vergata lived in one of Fred Trump’s buildings in Brooklyn.
Vergata's killing is one of 10 the Gilgo Beach task force is trying to solve. The task force's efforts already have led to the indictment of Massapequa Park resident Rex A. Heuermann on four of the Gilgo Beach homicides. Vergata's killing has not been linked to him.
Born on Nov. 4, 1961, Vergata was the second child of Dominic and Ann Vergata. The couple also had a son, Victor, who was four years older than his sister. The Vergata family settled in Glen Head. Dominic Vergata over time did well, amassing an estate at his death of well over $2 million, Surrogate Court records show.
Vergata was a petite girl, barely weighing over 100 pounds, who Doherty said suffered from scoliosis, an abnormal spine curvature. She attended North Shore High School, where she was known as “Pumpkin,” and fancied floppy hats and jewelry, according to classmates. A woman with an artistic interest, Vergata took a special class called “math for daily living” aimed at helping people not good in the subject understand it. She graduated in 1979, and her yearbook entry ends with the words “Thanks Dad, love ya.”
“First and foremost she was the most sweetest of people,” classmate Eugene Koebler said on Facebook after news of Vergata's death surfaced last year. “Always had a smile on even when she was dealing with some of the struggles she had at the time. She was a unique dresser, absolutely had her own style.”
In an interview, Jimmy Biedrzycki remembered starting to date Vergata around 1980 after meeting her at Sgt. Pepper's Pub off Glen Cove Road by Glen Head.
“She was quiet and sweet. She was really beautiful,” said Biedrzycki, who grew up in Roslyn. “She was a partyer.”
Vergata’s favorite rock song was the nostalgia-themed “Gypsy” by Fleetwood Mac. She had an underlying sadness about her, possibly rooted in the death of her mother in 1977, recalled Biedrzycki, who remembered she left the area around 1981.
She was quiet and sweet. She was really beautiful. She was a partyer.
Jimmy Biedrzycki
By 1981, Vergata seemed to wander up and down the Eastern Seaboard, supported by money from her father, court records show. By late September 1983, Vergata got into trouble in New Orleans, where she was arrested on drug charges. Records on the case disposition weren’t available.
She encountered more legal trouble connected to her drug use in Connecticut in 1984, court records show, including court-ordered drug treatment programs.
Biedrzycki, who now lives in Virginia, said it was around 1985 that Vergata returned briefly to the Roslyn area to visit.
A Brooklyn romance and the births of two boys
In 1986, federal court records show Vergata resurfaced in the Shore Haven apartments in Brooklyn, where she had been living with a married man.
Guenther Hugo Lind, an immigrant from Saarbrucken, Germany, was a wiry, hardworking man who his family said resembled actor Christopher Plummer and worked as a resident engineer and manager in the building. According to his family, Lind was hired for the job by the late Fred Trump. Fred Trump, also of German ancestry, took a liking to Lind and gave him perks, including an apartment in the large complex the Trump family constructed in the late 1940s with federal housing grant money.
According to Lind’s wife, Lynnette, who never divorced him even after years of turmoil, her husband apparently met Vergata in Brooklyn, where she had been living at various addresses in the borough. Their relationship continued for a few years.
“He took pity on her,” was how Doherty believed the relationship began. “He was the first one to take care of her.”
Vergata became pregnant with Gary in 1988 while still dealing with a major drug problem. Five months' pregnant, she walked across the busy Brooklyn-Queens Expressway near the Williamsburg Bridge, where she was struck by a car.
Vergata suffered a broken right leg, ruptured spleen and other injuries. A lawsuit resulted in Vergata being awarded a $90,000 settlement for her injuries and court records revealed she was on methadone treatment at the time of the accident.
Gary was born premature two months after the accident at Bellevue Hospital with cerebral palsy and there was concern his congenital condition was somehow caused by the accident, court records showed.
After the accident, Vergata and Lind remained together and she became pregnant with Eric, who was born in 1990. But with Vergata facing continuing drug and psychological problems, she had to give up custody of both boys, and it was then that Doherty and her husband became the children’s foster parents and began raising the children.
Lind’s relationship with Vergata and his absence from his marital home was wrenching to his wife and family. But today, Lynette Lind, of Staten Island, expresses no rancor about him, saying he was a kind man with a big heart.
“He was a prince,” she said. “He had a heart of gold. He would walk through fire for you.''
Family visits to Long Island
Vergata remained in contact with her family after the birth of her children, and sometimes Lind would be present on visits the boys made to the Long Island home of their grandfather, Dominic, and other family members, Doherty remembered.
A skilled building craftsman, Guenther Lind built three homes in upstate New York in rural Sullivan County. Diane Doherty said that in an effort to get Vergata away from the bad city influences and give her the prospect of a better life, Lind offered to move her to one of the homes. But Vergata refused because a move outside the city would take her too far from her children on Long Island, Doherty recalled.
Suffering from numerous afflictions, Lind died on Dec. 19, 1991, at the age of 50. His newspaper obituaries cited his years of service with the Trump Organization. Lind was buried by his family in a small rural cemetery in Sullivan County, near the homes. His gravestone is inscribed with the simple words “Beloved Father.”
Vergata was not around when Lind died.
From December 1991 until late 1994, Vergata was arrested 11 times in New York City, mostly on charges of loitering for prostitution, but twice for drug possession, court records show. The resulting sentences were either time served, short stints of community service or relatively short jail sentences, none of which appeared to act as deterrents.
By September 1994, the Dohertys had adopted Gary and Eric in a final order from Suffolk County Judge William Kent. Vergata visited the boys, and those family visits were warm and friendly, Doherty recalled.
“There was a two-seater [miniature] electric Jeep they drove around,” Doherty recalled about the family visits. “The car ride was a big thrill.”
Vergata was arrested for the last time in New York City in November 1995 on a drug charge and sentenced to a week in jail in 1996. She had been living in Manhattan at the time.
A final call to her father
Dominic Vergata spoke to his daughter for the last time on Valentine’s Day 1996, when he told authorities she called him from jail. In papers later filed in Manhattan Surrogate Court, Dominic Vergata said his daughter often called him on holidays and special occasions, usually asking for money.
After that final call to her father, Vergata’s family lost contact with her.
Court records showed that on March 12, 1996, Vergata missed a court date, and a bench warrant was issued for her arrest. Dominic hired a private detective to look for leads and also tried to file a missing persons report with the NYPD but was unable to do so.
After not hearing from his daughter for nearly 20 years, Vergata’s father filed a Surrogate Court action in 2015 to have her declared legally dead. The court issued such a declaration in October 2017.
Dominic Vergata died in 2022, and his will stated that he disinherited Vergata for “reasons good and sufficient to me.”
Karen Vergata's family would learn of her fate and whereabouts in August, when Suffolk District Attorney Ray Tierney announced that the dismembered remains of a woman found in 1996 on Fire Island and a skull found near Jones Beach in 2011 had been identified by the FBI as those of Vergata, one of the 10 Gilgo Beach victims.
The announcement stunned her sons, who told Newsday they learned about it through news reports.
Eric said his mother’s manner of death was stunning, but he said the brothers are taking a small amount of comfort knowing that she had not abandoned them.
“I guess it was a shock to find out about the manner how she passed,” said Eric, adding, “but a major relief was that it wasn’t her choice” to leave.
 
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I have found an account of the Newsday article on Reddit.




Who was Gilgo Beach victim Karen Vergata?​


Who was Gilgo Beach victim Karen Vergata?
Karen Vergata is home again.
Her cremated remains are being been returned to her sons after almost 30 years amid a sprawling police investigation into a serial killer on Long Island.
Vergata was identified in August as a Gilgo Beach victim with scientific techniques not available when she went missing in 1996.
Gary Doherty, 35, and Eric Doherty, 33, said they are grateful for the chance to give their mother a dignified funeral.
“It is just a relief we can finally have her back,” Eric Doherty, who was a barely past toddler age when Vergata disappeared, told Newsday.
The woman who raised the brothers said they are finally getting answers and some closure.
“They want to have their mother placed in a grave where they, too, can lie in rest with her,” said Diane Doherty, 80, who — along with her late husband, Edward — adopted the boys in 1994. The Dohertys raised Gary and Eric for many years in Nesconset.
A troubled woman who dealt in drugs and prostitution, the 34-year-old Vergata’s remains were found in 1996 on Fire Island and also in 2011 near Jones Beach. Once only known as “Fire Island Jane Doe,” Vergata was publicly identified through genetic genealogy.
Gary, who was born with cerebral palsy and lives in a group home in upstate New York, cannot speak normally despite having normal cognitive ability. In a recent interview, he answered with an emphatic “Yes! Yes!” when asked if he was happy to finally get his mother’s remains. A staff worker at the group home said Gary thinks of his mother “every single day.”
It was a shock to find out about the manner how she passed, but a major relief was that it wasn’t her choice to leave.
—Eric, 33, Karen Vergata's son
Eric, who also lives upstate, said the ability to give a final ceremony for his mother after decades of uncertainty makes him feel at peace.
The effort by Vergata’s sons to give her a final resting place closes the circle on one of the tragic stories of a Gilgo Beach victim. Ten killings are considered by investigators to be part of the pattern, mostly of women sex workers. Vergata also was said to have worked as an escort.
A complicated life
Through a series of interviews and the examination of various court records, Newsday learned that Vergata had a complicated existence. For a few years, she had a relationship with a married man who fathered her two sons and who was a longtime employee of Fred Trump, former President Donald Trump’s late father. For a time, Vergata lived in one of Fred Trump’s buildings in Brooklyn.
Vergata's killing is one of 10 the Gilgo Beach task force is trying to solve. The task force's efforts already have led to the indictment of Massapequa Park resident Rex A. Heuermann on four of the Gilgo Beach homicides. Vergata's killing has not been linked to him.
Born on Nov. 4, 1961, Vergata was the second child of Dominic and Ann Vergata. The couple also had a son, Victor, who was four years older than his sister. The Vergata family settled in Glen Head. Dominic Vergata over time did well, amassing an estate at his death of well over $2 million, Surrogate Court records show.
Vergata was a petite girl, barely weighing over 100 pounds, who Doherty said suffered from scoliosis, an abnormal spine curvature. She attended North Shore High School, where she was known as “Pumpkin,” and fancied floppy hats and jewelry, according to classmates. A woman with an artistic interest, Vergata took a special class called “math for daily living” aimed at helping people not good in the subject understand it. She graduated in 1979, and her yearbook entry ends with the words “Thanks Dad, love ya.”
“First and foremost she was the most sweetest of people,” classmate Eugene Koebler said on Facebook after news of Vergata's death surfaced last year. “Always had a smile on even when she was dealing with some of the struggles she had at the time. She was a unique dresser, absolutely had her own style.”
In an interview, Jimmy Biedrzycki remembered starting to date Vergata around 1980 after meeting her at Sgt. Pepper's Pub off Glen Cove Road by Glen Head.
“She was quiet and sweet. She was really beautiful,” said Biedrzycki, who grew up in Roslyn. “She was a partyer.”
Vergata’s favorite rock song was the nostalgia-themed “Gypsy” by Fleetwood Mac. She had an underlying sadness about her, possibly rooted in the death of her mother in 1977, recalled Biedrzycki, who remembered she left the area around 1981.
She was quiet and sweet. She was really beautiful. She was a partyer.
Jimmy Biedrzycki
By 1981, Vergata seemed to wander up and down the Eastern Seaboard, supported by money from her father, court records show. By late September 1983, Vergata got into trouble in New Orleans, where she was arrested on drug charges. Records on the case disposition weren’t available.
She encountered more legal trouble connected to her drug use in Connecticut in 1984, court records show, including court-ordered drug treatment programs.
Biedrzycki, who now lives in Virginia, said it was around 1985 that Vergata returned briefly to the Roslyn area to visit.
A Brooklyn romance and the births of two boys
In 1986, federal court records show Vergata resurfaced in the Shore Haven apartments in Brooklyn, where she had been living with a married man.
Guenther Hugo Lind, an immigrant from Saarbrucken, Germany, was a wiry, hardworking man who his family said resembled actor Christopher Plummer and worked as a resident engineer and manager in the building. According to his family, Lind was hired for the job by the late Fred Trump. Fred Trump, also of German ancestry, took a liking to Lind and gave him perks, including an apartment in the large complex the Trump family constructed in the late 1940s with federal housing grant money.
According to Lind’s wife, Lynnette, who never divorced him even after years of turmoil, her husband apparently met Vergata in Brooklyn, where she had been living at various addresses in the borough. Their relationship continued for a few years.
“He took pity on her,” was how Doherty believed the relationship began. “He was the first one to take care of her.”
Vergata became pregnant with Gary in 1988 while still dealing with a major drug problem. Five months' pregnant, she walked across the busy Brooklyn-Queens Expressway near the Williamsburg Bridge, where she was struck by a car.
Vergata suffered a broken right leg, ruptured spleen and other injuries. A lawsuit resulted in Vergata being awarded a $90,000 settlement for her injuries and court records revealed she was on methadone treatment at the time of the accident.
Gary was born premature two months after the accident at Bellevue Hospital with cerebral palsy and there was concern his congenital condition was somehow caused by the accident, court records showed.
After the accident, Vergata and Lind remained together and she became pregnant with Eric, who was born in 1990. But with Vergata facing continuing drug and psychological problems, she had to give up custody of both boys, and it was then that Doherty and her husband became the children’s foster parents and began raising the children.
Lind’s relationship with Vergata and his absence from his marital home was wrenching to his wife and family. But today, Lynette Lind, of Staten Island, expresses no rancor about him, saying he was a kind man with a big heart.
“He was a prince,” she said. “He had a heart of gold. He would walk through fire for you.''
Family visits to Long Island
Vergata remained in contact with her family after the birth of her children, and sometimes Lind would be present on visits the boys made to the Long Island home of their grandfather, Dominic, and other family members, Doherty remembered.
A skilled building craftsman, Guenther Lind built three homes in upstate New York in rural Sullivan County. Diane Doherty said that in an effort to get Vergata away from the bad city influences and give her the prospect of a better life, Lind offered to move her to one of the homes. But Vergata refused because a move outside the city would take her too far from her children on Long Island, Doherty recalled.
Suffering from numerous afflictions, Lind died on Dec. 19, 1991, at the age of 50. His newspaper obituaries cited his years of service with the Trump Organization. Lind was buried by his family in a small rural cemetery in Sullivan County, near the homes. His gravestone is inscribed with the simple words “Beloved Father.”
Vergata was not around when Lind died.
From December 1991 until late 1994, Vergata was arrested 11 times in New York City, mostly on charges of loitering for prostitution, but twice for drug possession, court records show. The resulting sentences were either time served, short stints of community service or relatively short jail sentences, none of which appeared to act as deterrents.
By September 1994, the Dohertys had adopted Gary and Eric in a final order from Suffolk County Judge William Kent. Vergata visited the boys, and those family visits were warm and friendly, Doherty recalled.
“There was a two-seater [miniature] electric Jeep they drove around,” Doherty recalled about the family visits. “The car ride was a big thrill.”
Vergata was arrested for the last time in New York City in November 1995 on a drug charge and sentenced to a week in jail in 1996. She had been living in Manhattan at the time.
A final call to her father
Dominic Vergata spoke to his daughter for the last time on Valentine’s Day 1996, when he told authorities she called him from jail. In papers later filed in Manhattan Surrogate Court, Dominic Vergata said his daughter often called him on holidays and special occasions, usually asking for money.
After that final call to her father, Vergata’s family lost contact with her.
Court records showed that on March 12, 1996, Vergata missed a court date, and a bench warrant was issued for her arrest. Dominic hired a private detective to look for leads and also tried to file a missing persons report with the NYPD but was unable to do so.
After not hearing from his daughter for nearly 20 years, Vergata’s father filed a Surrogate Court action in 2015 to have her declared legally dead. The court issued such a declaration in October 2017.
Dominic Vergata died in 2022, and his will stated that he disinherited Vergata for “reasons good and sufficient to me.”
Karen Vergata's family would learn of her fate and whereabouts in August, when Suffolk District Attorney Ray Tierney announced that the dismembered remains of a woman found in 1996 on Fire Island and a skull found near Jones Beach in 2011 had been identified by the FBI as those of Vergata, one of the 10 Gilgo Beach victims.
The announcement stunned her sons, who told Newsday they learned about it through news reports.
Eric said his mother’s manner of death was stunning, but he said the brothers are taking a small amount of comfort knowing that she had not abandoned them.
“I guess it was a shock to find out about the manner how she passed,” said Eric, adding, “but a major relief was that it wasn’t her choice” to leave.

This one is very interesting with a ton about her and it humanizes her. I knew some, not sure of all and if I did, did not recall it all. I knew I had heard what the boys said before or most of that and that they got her remains back. I'm going to assume they chose to have her cremated and it means the remains were back from having done that.

It's sad dad disinherited her but wouldn't have mattered to her but depending on how the will would have been written if he hadn't it may have went to her boys but it may also have went to her sibling. I'm not sure I knew she came from a wealthy background and the scoliosis I may have known of but can't recall for sure.

I can only wonder if dad said no the last time she called from jail for help and when he didn't ever hear from her again, thought she ghosted him or intentionally not in contact with him as angry or some such OR more likely, he figured if she never called again looking for help that she probably sadly was dead...

What is MOST interesting in relation to this case is the jail dates. So she WAS in jail in 1996 and we did know she called dad from jail on V Day. So what came first, the chicken or the egg... It seems to me she was released that day OR they would not say it was the last time she was known to be alive and they do say that or do they...? This would match up with the swinger's story that they picked up a girl down on her luck with nothing just out of jail but did her story and affidavit come out BEFORE this kind of knowledge and article or AFTER? It would be easy to fabricate such IF you had seen this article. However, IF this info wasn't out there then it SUPPORTS the witness's story. ALSO her bf was narcotics AND it says the 1996 stint was for drugs and THAT fits. It also says arrested for the LAST time on a drug charge in NYC and SO that has to be what she was in jail over on V Day...

I'm a bit excited here because it all fits so well with the witness. She'd also been arrested before for prostitution and so on. Her bf knowing this and knowing she was released and likely even knowing she called dad and no one helped and she had no support and maybe wasn't even picked up but left walking might also be pretty likely.

No one even knew remains were of Karen Vergata not long ago! This stuff almost can't be made up that that very person who was in jail ended up being a victim of the number of women and others found dead on Long Island. She of course NEVER could have seen a pic until she was identified.

Another question would be when was CB arrested versus Karen's remains identified and did the woman recognize CB right off when arrested?

This was a GREAT FIND. I mean she could have taken these details and then crafted a story but the odds of that are slim for many reasons AND I believe it likely true that her bf was LE narcotics.

It's too bad it doesn't say which jail she did her stint in but I guess it woudln't NECESSARILY have to be his for him to have knowledge but that would be a BIG HIT if it were. His precinct, etc. It also would be IF he was involved in her arrest and charges BUT they aren't going to share that one because it would be another corrupt cop no-no to then pick her up and take her to her death and another connection or suspected connection of cops and sex workers and cops knowing CB and even DOING him and swinging with HIM.

HUGE.
 
This one is very interesting with a ton about her and it humanizes her. I knew some, not sure of all and if I did, did not recall it all. I knew I had heard what the boys said before or most of that and that they got her remains back. I'm going to assume they chose to have her cremated and it means the remains were back from having done that.

It's sad dad disinherited her but wouldn't have mattered to her but depending on how the will would have been written if he hadn't it may have went to her boys but it may also have went to her sibling. I'm not sure I knew she came from a wealthy background and the scoliosis I may have known of but can't recall for sure.

I can only wonder if dad said no the last time she called from jail for help and when he didn't ever hear from her again, thought she ghosted him or intentionally not in contact with him as angry or some such OR more likely, he figured if she never called again looking for help that she probably sadly was dead...

What is MOST interesting in relation to this case is the jail dates. So she WAS in jail in 1996 and we did know she called dad from jail on V Day. So what came first, the chicken or the egg... It seems to me she was released that day OR they would not say it was the last time she was known to be alive and they do say that or do they...? This would match up with the swinger's story that they picked up a girl down on her luck with nothing just out of jail but did her story and affidavit come out BEFORE this kind of knowledge and article or AFTER? It would be easy to fabricate such IF you had seen this article. However, IF this info wasn't out there then it SUPPORTS the witness's story. ALSO her bf was narcotics AND it says the 1996 stint was for drugs and THAT fits. It also says arrested for the LAST time on a drug charge in NYC and SO that has to be what she was in jail over on V Day...

I'm a bit excited here because it all fits so well with the witness. She'd also been arrested before for prostitution and so on. Her bf knowing this and knowing she was released and likely even knowing she called dad and no one helped and she had no support and maybe wasn't even picked up but left walking might also be pretty likely.

No one even knew remains were of Karen Vergata not long ago! This stuff almost can't be made up that that very person who was in jail ended up being a victim of the number of women and others found dead on Long Island. She of course NEVER could have seen a pic until she was identified.

Another question would be when was CB arrested versus Karen's remains identified and did the woman recognize CB right off when arrested?

This was a GREAT FIND. I mean she could have taken these details and then crafted a story but the odds of that are slim for many reasons AND I believe it likely true that her bf was LE narcotics.

It's too bad it doesn't say which jail she did her stint in but I guess it woudln't NECESSARILY have to be his for him to have knowledge but that would be a BIG HIT if it were. His precinct, etc. It also would be IF he was involved in her arrest and charges BUT they aren't going to share that one because it would be another corrupt cop no-no to then pick her up and take her to her death and another connection or suspected connection of cops and sex workers and cops knowing CB and even DOING him and swinging with HIM.

HUGE.
CB was arrested in July and Karen was identified only in August. Also I think they said she lived on 45th street (the Fred Trump building?) so is that the 78th Precinct?

I think these were the Shore Haven apartments and Lind looked after the building for Fred Trump and had an apartment there himself which is where Karen lived too with the boys till they were adopted. It all fits anyway.
 
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CB was arrested in July and Karen was identified only in August. Also I think they said she lived on 45th street (the Fred Trump building?) so is that the 78th Precinct?

I think these were the Shore Haven apartments and Lind looked after the building for Fred Trump and had an apartment there himself which is where Karen lived too with the boys till they were adopted. It all fits anyway.
I am wondering though like with this article versus the time the woman gave the affidavit or told her story to Ray. Was the info available to her that Karen was in jail on the 14th, calling her dat, etc.? I think it unlikely but where she could have crafted a story that she'd just got out of jail and her cop bf picked her up etc. I think It more likely the truth quite honestly as too much works out and fits.

It was a long article but I guess I missed she was still living in the FT building in '96?? I got the impression those were earlier days/years. I'd have to read it again. It seemed she got out of jail and had nowhere to go almost, no funds, no married bf, etc. Hang on, let me go reread...
 
I don't think so. Her last arrest she was living in Manhattan at the time. Sure a lot of Manhattan where it relates to CB, not that HE picked THIS one up...

Lind died in '91. I think she was long out of the FT apartment no? And more transient and less known about where she was?

it only says Manhattan when arrested. So the FT apt. wouldn't relate to whatever precinct or jail she was in the last time.
 

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