Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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I can't remember the source. But I read an article the other day that his wife doesn't believe he's guilty. Yeah. O.K.
Yeah that's out there. If you read some here, if she thinks he ain't guilty it means she is lol. As her hairs were found too. She may want to think twice about it but perhaps she can't turn on him for obvious reasons...
 
I don't think so. Her last arrest she was living in Manhattan at the time. Sure a lot of Manhattan where it relates to CB, not that HE picked THIS one up...

Lind died in '91. I think she was long out of the FT apartment no? And more transient and less known about where she was?

it only says Manhattan when arrested. So the FT apt. wouldn't relate to whatever precinct or jail she was in the last time.
I think I have seen more info than that, like she lived in an apartment on 45th street at the time of her disappearance.
 
I am wondering though like with this article versus the time the woman gave the affidavit or told her story to Ray. Was the info available to her that Karen was in jail on the 14th, calling her dat, etc.? I think it unlikely but where she could have crafted a story that she'd just got out of jail and her cop bf picked her up etc. I think It more likely the truth quite honestly as too much works out and fits.

It was a long article but I guess I missed she was still living in the FT building in '96?? I got the impression those were earlier days/years. I'd have to read it again. It seemed she got out of jail and had nowhere to go almost, no funds, no married bf, etc. Hang on, let me go reread...
The date of her affidavit is 2 Aug and the presser identifying Karen was 2 Aug too so she may well have known.
 
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I think I have seen more info than that, like she lived in an apartment on 45th street at the time of her disappearance.
She was only sentenced to a week in jail so one wouldn't think she'd lose her apartment in that short of time. I had thought initially if a long time that could have happened but apparently she was only in for a week. She did call her dad though on the day released. For what? A ride? Money to pay rent? Money for drugs? Just not having a ride I guess could make her easy prey. I recall a case or two where the person got out of jail with no support or ability to call family, etc. and disappeared OR was last seen by a cop taking them somewhere is another. One I believe was on the west coast and I want to say California and she was young, like late teens or 20 and she got out of jail and the last known or seemed to be known is she started walking and was not in her own area either. I always figured in that one a cop killed her.

I say that because if this story is true here, I have the impression the cop bf knew Karen was easy pickings for prey for CB, he knew she was released maybe, knew she'd tried to call dad for help and was refused, took off walking or so on...Was desperate for money, help, drugs, etc. He could have even been her arresting officer or they knew each other BUT it seemed not as the gf of the cop had to tell Karen he was a cop and she was safe...

I don't know... Maybe Karen was sorry to say it but on a street corner and he just knew where to find her or where she'd head as she had a history with LE both with drugs and prostitution... I don't recall the details of where and when picked up but will look back if I get a minute... I guess it's possible he just picked up any sex worker for a 4th and she did not luck out but I somehow doubt that...
 
The date of her affidavit is 2 Aug and the presser identifying Karen was 2 Aug too so she may well have known.
Well we know it was pics of Karen that triggered her and no pics could have been shown in relation until it was known she was one of the bodies found on LI. Wha'ts curious to me is if she saw CB on arrest and the big news why she was not triggered then to realize she may have known ONE of his possible victims and had been at his home. Did she go to Ray then? Or try to contact LE with the info he was a swinger and a girl was scared and naked at his house and so on? Even if she did not know at that point who the woman was?

I'm not doubting her story but I am feeling the need for a bit more caution with it. If details were in the news or known to them like we just read, then she could craft a story to fit those details. HOWEVER she either had a cop bf or she didn't so there's still some meat there and things that can be checked including whether others knew of the invite and that the CB duo were swingers...

In another case recently Banfield had on a guy who had talked to several homeless people who had accounts that a homeless man had on a unique shirt the victim had been wearing. Every bit of it was lies. Of course the shirt was known of from videos in the news as to what he was wearing and that it was unique plus he was tall so it would be big on a smaller person. Yet this sh*t went on the "news" if one can call that show "news". I think little of "news" these days anyhow but just saying...

I'm just curious if this 'witness" could have crafted a story from hearing details. It SEEMS not from a few other things BUT she could even claim a cop bf and name one she knew of and it would be her word vs. his and if he denies, it could then be said of course he will deny swinging or gay sex, he's a cop with a reputation to protect... It was said that corroboration would be if Karen had just gotten out of jail and things like that or others knew the CB duo to swing and so on. Did others ever see her with this cop bf would be another, who else did they swing with, do the corroborate and so on.

If I recall she "thinks" this was around V Day because they tended to celebrate holidays by swinging...
 
Well we know it was pics of Karen that triggered her and no pics could have been shown in relation until it was known she was one of the bodies found on LI. Wha'ts curious to me is if she saw CB on arrest and the big news why she was not triggered then to realize she may have known ONE of his possible victims and had been at his home. Did she go to Ray then? Or try to contact LE with the info he was a swinger and a girl was scared and naked at his house and so on? Even if she did not know at that point who the woman was?

I'm not doubting her story but I am feeling the need for a bit more caution with it. If details were in the news or known to them like we just read, then she could craft a story to fit those details. HOWEVER she either had a cop bf or she didn't so there's still some meat there and things that can be checked including whether others knew of the invite and that the CB duo were swingers...

In another case recently Banfield had on a guy who had talked to several homeless people who had accounts that a homeless man had on a unique shirt the victim had been wearing. Every bit of it was lies. Of course the shirt was known of from videos in the news as to what he was wearing and that it was unique plus he was tall so it would be big on a smaller person. Yet this sh*t went on the "news" if one can call that show "news". I think little of "news" these days anyhow but just saying...

I'm just curious if this 'witness" could have crafted a story from hearing details. It SEEMS not from a few other things BUT she could even claim a cop bf and name one she knew of and it would be her word vs. his and if he denies, it could then be said of course he will deny swinging or gay sex, he's a cop with a reputation to protect... It was said that corroboration would be if Karen had just gotten out of jail and things like that or others knew the CB duo to swing and so on. Did others ever see her with this cop bf would be another, who else did they swing with, do the corroborate and so on.

If I recall she "thinks" this was around V Day because they tended to celebrate holidays by swinging...
I think I read that this affidavit about Karen going with them to swing was also done in the presence of Rodney Harrison too. Plus Karen's release from her week in jail also ties in to this timeline.
 
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This article from last August indicates that Karen was actually identified late 2022 but it was kept under wraps due to the investigation. 14th August was her father's birthday and she called to wish him Happy Birthday. He died in December 2022.



Gilgo Beach murders victim Jane Doe 7 identified as Karen Vergata

Gilgo Beach murders victim Karen Vergata made one final phone call to her father on the day that she was last seen alive, it has been revealed.
A petition filed in court in 2017 reveals that the 34-year-old woman called her father Dominic Vergata on his birthday on 14 February 1996. She was never seen or heard from again.
Long Island officials announced on Friday that Vergata went missing that very same day on Valentine’s Day 1996.

At the time, she was living on West 45th St in Manhattan and is believed to have been working as an escort.
Police said that no missing persons report was filed at the time.

But, court records show that in July 2017 – more than two decades later – Dominic Vergata filed a petition to have his daughter officially declared dead so that he could obtain the unclaimed assets from her estate, including two life insurance policies.
In the petition, Vergata’s father details that he last had contact with his daughter on 14 February 14 1996, when she called him on his birthday.
Before that, he said she would call him from time to time.
Following her disappearance, Dominic Vergata says that he tried to track down his missing daughter including hiring an investigator and contacting law enforcement agencies and people who had known her.

But those efforts were unfruitful as she had been murdered and her remains dumped in Long Island.
The Surrogate’s Court in New York ruled that, based on Vergata’s whereabouts being unknown for so long, she was presumed dead on 14 February 1999 and her father was appointed temporary administrator of her estate.
Records show Dominic Vergata died in December 2022.
It is unclear whether or not he knew what had happened to his daughter before he passed away.
On Friday, Long Island officials identified Vergata as the Gilgo Beach murders victim previously known only as Jane Doe 7 or Fire Island Jane Doe.
<p>Karen Vergata was identified as Jane Doe 7</p>

Karen Vergata was identified as Jane Doe 7
(Suffolk County DA)
Vergata’s partial remains were first discovered along the Long Island shores more than 26 years ago – but the victim’s identity remained unknown until now.
It was 20 April 1996 when a woman’s legs were found wrapped in plastic at Davis Park on Fire Island’s Blue Point Beach.
Almost exactly 15 years later on 11 April 2011, the woman’s skull was then found off Ocean Parkway during the search for Gilgo Beach victims. The skull was located close to the remains of another unidentified victim – Jane Doe 3, also known as Peaches.
The two sets of remains in Fire Island and Ocean Parkway were later found to belong to the same person.
Before now, investigators had long been unable to identify Jane Doe 7 and she was described only as a white woman aged 18 to 50 years old who had several notable scars including evidence of surgery on her left ankle.
She was one of 11 victims whose remains were found dumped along the shores of Gilgo Beach back in 2010 and 2011 – several of whom are also yet to be identified.
Decades later, investigators were finally able to identify Fire Island Jane Doe using genetic genealogy and her surviving relatives’ DNA.
In August 2022 – around six months after the new Gilgo Beach taskforce was launched – a DNA profile suitable for genealogical comparison was developed from the remains of the victim, officials said in a press conference on Friday.
The next month, the FBI was able to presumptively identify the victim using genetic genealogy as Vergata.
Then, that October, investigators tracked down a relative of Vergata and took a buccal swab. Using this, they were able to definitively identify the victim as Vergata.
While her identity was confirmed late last year, Suffolk County DA Rodney Tierney said in a press conference that officials kept the major breakthrough under wraps until now due to both the ongoing investigation into Mr Heuermann and the need to contact all of Vergata’s family members.
“Prior to disclosing, we needed to contact all Vergata’s family members and around the same time we were beginning the grand jury confidential investigation into the murders of the victims known as the Gilgo 4,” he told reporters.
”So we decided not to make it public... until the results of that investigation became public and we had made notice to Vergata’s family.”
 
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I think I read that this affidavit about Karen going with them to swing was also done in the presence of Rodney Harrison too. Plus Karen's release from her week in jail also ties in to this timeline.
It definitely does. I'm just trying to ensure this couldn't be some brilliant play on facts we hardly or didn't know yet probably but others in the area may have. So that it can't be torn apart.

I lean hard towards it is a true claim. And either LE and Tierney know this or they are going to shove it under the rug and if they are, they'd better show and prove how. There has been so much talk and even evidnece of corruption here through so many years and politics. He can choose to be like Harrison or not. Of course he will likely too be done for if he does...And that just shows how deep it is.

Corroborate or show otherwise. And I haven't had time to catch up yet but so they knew who Vergata was some time before they ever released the info?! I have a problem with that. Investigation is one thing, family members who don't know their mom ior daughter s dead and has been found is another. And since Veragata isn't one they have necessarily said ties to him or was said even through these years relates to the four for instance well what was the big risk...
 
It definitely does. I'm just trying to ensure this couldn't be some brilliant play on facts we hardly or didn't know yet probably but others in the area may have. So that it can't be torn apart.

I lean hard towards it is a true claim. And either LE and Tierney know this or they are going to shove it under the rug and if they are, they'd better show and prove how. There has been so much talk and even evidnece of corruption here through so many years and politics. He can choose to be like Harrison or not. Of course he will likely too be done for if he does...And that just shows how deep it is.

Corroborate or show otherwise. And I haven't had time to catch up yet but so they knew who Vergata was some time before they ever released the info?! I have a problem with that. Investigation is one thing, family members who don't know their mom ior daughter s dead and has been found is another. And since Veragata isn't one they have necessarily said ties to him or was said even through these years relates to the four for instance well what was the big risk...
I think with Vergata's remains being not as recent as the others charged, so dispersed and not all found has probably delayed the charging so hopefully they are still working on it. Any idea why Harrison has left? And where did he go?
 
I think with Vergata's remains being not as recent as the others charged, so dispersed and not all found has probably delayed the charging so hopefully they are still working on it. Any idea why Harrison has left? And where did he go?
All politics. VERY much the norm especially in the NYC area. You know when a new ruler comes in from a different party, you know you are about to go OR not get a long. Sickening. That's where listening to some of the retired NYPD and other area precinct cops who have seen it all through the years comes in handy. And then even if one party in in control of county or city and another of the other, etc. well... There is very likely more to it, who knows. Tierney did not espouse Harrison when he actually went on with Ray and said some stiff thing and that alone says something and Harrison knew he'd have to leave (powers that be) and I love that he when nothing to lose and planning to go out used his last weeks or time to look at Ray's stuff and even go on with him on show/s.

Loved Harrison who is also he one who put the task team together and they got this far where no one else could through all these years or bothered. And quickly so.

Tierney to me seems a stiff party or worried about it or controlled type. By others.

I meant more with Vergata that what was their REASON for holding her identity secret being she IS an older case and nothing would have been said it was connected and not letting her family know or the public? Not sure exactly how that would impact the investigation against CB who they had not even arrested yet. Maybe they had good reason but there wasn't any slam dunk news or arrest on any and Vergata was not necessarily thought to be connected to the Gilgo Four even before CB was arrested for the Gilgo Three then Four. How could just identifying her body and telling family affect that investigationi? Maybe they had legit reason to hold it back but then on top of it her boys weren't told when they did announce it, her boys had to learn it from TV and they NEVER knew what happened to their mother or that she was even dead on LI.

Lots of power and bosses here yet imo. Not all of them that wise or justice being their first concern.

This is a political big time center of the US. Think about it, even if different boroughs or precincts. It is a news center (not that news is not a joke any more and anything but agenda), it is where Epstein suicided, Weinstein went to prison or is he, and so much more and I'm just naming a couple. I'm not going to do politics but I could talk Bidens, Clintons, many more. It is of course where the WTC takedown happened, for reasons, it hit a major core. It is a financial center. It is major with all power and politics. Then juxtapose the corrupt ones here through these years of knowing about this case and the one in charge who had his own sexual things and was caught not all that long ago and went to prison.

I'm not saying anything politically so much as to this case even, but I am saying this isn't talking average town America.

Harrison is going to go watch his daughter's basketball games. I guess she is quite something, college star at it (can't recall). He led up to it all I think watch Joseph Gialcone's and honestly he'd probably be the biggest misfit for the NYC area fighting to do right aside from politics and others still in power that I bet to no end he wanted to see this through but also fought that b.s. through is time there. That's my guess anyhow.


Hey there's a thought. He can now comment as a citizen...I'm not sure on this one but don't quote me I think his wife has a career and also had a chance to transfer or promote. I WISH he'd have stayed but I also don't doubt his fighting the status quo b.s was hard for them all.

I don't think per what he said he had a plan and this was weeks before he announced it said he was thinking about it. No rush to find another position, but as Host Joe I think said, when he does, wont' have any problem finding one. I believe he was truly looking forward to having time to attend his daugther's games and hadn't had much time to do that.

I'm not a Tierney fan. I hold out that he is a DA type but I also think he is under the political thing and holds an office. And we've seen tons of b.s and apparent corruption in this case through the years. Yes @Cousin Dupree I said CORRUPTION. Your state. Not your city.
 
Well, not doing one is the cover up. Kicking the FBI out of town and the Chief being involved in so much stuff that seems to look like he and the killer have similar interests.
I'd go so far to say there are a number of cops and people there in positions who have similar interests... Swinging cop for one. And Manhattan sure seems to be prevalent for those picking them up and where "escorts" base. I'm sure it is all over but it comes up over and over and over. I could go on and start in on LI too.

I GUESS it could be so simple as Burke couldn't have all LE and the feds too looking into sex workers' deaths and canvassing and questioning other sex workers as it would cramp his daily routine and his life as oh boy what if they found him while talking to others in the area picking one up in his car or soliciting one and getting A BJ on the street corner male or female. I DOUBT though it is just that he was concerned with.

It's deep here. Imo. And it harks back to groups of LE and other rumor and talk of "parties"...

Don't know. Sure can't dismiss it and I haven't.
 
I guess that is why we don't know the identity of cop RW. They probably aren't his real initials and he has probably already got immunity.
Yes, that's crossed my mind too. Another being protected. I mean after all it's a gf who is in their view lower than their LE brother in blue making the claims and making them through John Ray no less right? They'd better watch their look these days but they don't, do they still all think they're immune? Probably.

At least I'd assume Ray knows who he is and won't stay silent if nothing ever is looked into or responded to. I hope people out there where it is keep yelling about it or talking about it that answers are expected on this just as all other possible victims of CB are expected to be looked into, see if there are matches and more. This doesn't end here by a long shot.

The retired NYPD guys of whom there are several with shows (not a great fan of every but some) need to keep harping on it as well. They know the politics, the b.s., a lot of the players.

By NOW they should know whether this story is true or not or if the basics are. The ONLY reason or excuse imo for a lack of answers is if they are using it to build a case against him for Vergata.
 

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