Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[GrandmaBear]

This is an old article but I hadn't seen it before. It is from Nov and describes the media scrum when CB's wife shows up with her Peacock media entourage. Their daughter is still described as age 26.

Media circus erupts as Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s wife shows up at NY court

Asa Ellerup showed up at the Riverhead, NY, courthouse with a documentary crew by her side.

nypost.com

This so describes her it is not even funny. And it was obvious he was excited to see her. I'd hope he doesn't mean that as it sounds as he needed murder and escorts to raise that kind of excitement. Putting that as nicely as I can. They pretty much describe what I've seen from the get go and hard for me to believe all haven't by now. Woebegone was quickly gone as she shows up in a Mercedes in a nicer outfit and all happy.

Paraprashing of course but pretty on point.

I truly am not sold on she had anything to do with the murders but I am far from unsold she did no know what her hub was doing and was fine with it or that she MIGHT have been involved.

She certainly does not deserve to profit and she certainly rebounded in an instant.

So disgusting in her own right. She SICKENS me to death.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Welcome to my world I can watch the correct word being typed and then look up and see it has changed to whatever my phone wants it to be.

That is what I have going on but it is not a phone but a laptop. I reread my post and know darned well these are not the words I typed. I don't use phone for such, HOWEVER my phone today sent too replies while I was looking at it in texts that I did NOT type nor send nor hit send. Totally sick of it. And I keep my devices entirely not connected! It is constant. Yestrday I could not use my phone at work which we do a lot to put things back where they belong, where located and so on but nope. Couldn't type a word in before on its own it took me elsewhere. Or a UPC, etc. No clue what the sh*t is with the 'puter but the phone is going to get a reset. Maybe 'puter too. I will say the keyboard isn't perfect but like you said I see the word typed and then reread he post and it is like what the F changed that in transit?!

 

[GrandmaBear]

So very few of the movies that are supposed to take place in Missouri are filmed here. No tax incentives for them to film here like many other states have.

I don't think MOST are filmed on location, maybe a few. I know of a few where they may go on site just for an ending or part and so on. So that one that was one of the last ones I talked of with the Ozarks was on site? Probably the last one I watched for fictional some time back, last year maybe or the year before?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Article about the Defence attorney questioning Burke's involvement in the case.

Rex Heuermann: New Evidence Turned Over, Defense Questions Former Police Chief James Burke’s Role In Gilgo Case

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann was back in court Wednesday. New evidence was turned over from the prosecution to the defense – and Heuermann's defense attorney, Michael Brown, is now questioning if the former Suffolk County Police Chief played a role in the case.

www.longislandpress.com

"Brown clarified to reporters that he was not seeking FBI leads in the Gilgo case, but rather FBI information about former Suffolk Police Chief James Burke’s involvement – and alleged lack of participation with the FBI – in the investigation.

“The Suffolk County Police Department, especially with Chief James Burke in charge, and the FBI were butting heads,” Brown said. “And, to some extent, I think Chief Burke was suppressing the investigation and wouldn’t allow the FBI to participate in it with their expertise.”

Asked if he viewed Burke as a suspect in this case, Brown added that Burke has a “checkered history” with regards to sex workers, and referenced Burke’s jail time for beating suspect Christopher Loeb as well as his recent arrest for soliciting a sex worker at a Suffolk County park.

“It seems contrary to common sense that Chief Burke would not let the FBI into this investigation,” Brown added. “We received almost 3,000 leads on this case. From the leads, there were numerous leads that came into the Suffolk County Police Department suggesting that Chief Burke was involved in this.”

Brown indicated he may call Burke to the witness stand during the trial.

Defense Claims There Was Another Suspect​

Brown also claimed that he filed a Brady letter to receive information on another suspect – who lived in Massapequa Park – a former police officer with the initials “W.H.,” the initials that were found on a belt bounding victim Maureen Brainard-Barnes, whose murder Heuermann is charged with.

Rex Heuermann’s grandfather’s name was William Heuermann.

“Gus Garcia [Roberts] had written a beautiful article about this inner-fighting with the Suffolk County Police Department and the district attorney’s office under then-D.A. [Timothy] Sini,” Brown said. “It’s our belief that they had this other suspect with the initials ‘W.H.'”

Brown said they received more information on that suspect Wednesday morning, and added the defense is “very anxious” to look at that documentation.

Despite the defense’s claims, the evidence against Heuermann includes a DNA link – a male hair was found on victim Megan Waterman that was matched to Heuermann. Other evidence against Heuermann includes the use of burner phones and emails as well as a search history indicating an obsession with the Gilgo Beach case, specifically the four murders Heuermann is charged with.

Judge Timothy Mazzei, who is presiding over the case, said he would like to see a trial begin as soon as July, but acknowledged the defense has much evidence to go through. Heuermann will be back in court June 18 for another hearing.

James Burke, former Suffolk County Police Chief, appears in court on Sept. 11. Michael Brown, Rex Heuermann’s defense attorney, is seeking information from the FBI on Burke’s involvement in the case when he was police chief.Dennis A. Clark via Pool

Rex Heuermann’s Case: From Then Until Now​

Rex Heuermann was identified as a suspect by the Gilgo Beach Task Force in 2022, and was arrested in July 2023. He was immediately charged with the murders of Amber Lynn Costello, Melissa Barthelemy, and Megan Waterman, and named a suspect in the murder of Maureen Brainard-Barnes. These four women have been called “The Gilgo Four.”

Heuermann pleaded not guilty to all three. On Nov. 15, Heuermann’s estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, attended his court appearance – shortly before it was revealed she had a $1 million documentary deal with Peacock. Ellerup filed for divorce shortly after Heuermann’s arrest, but appeared to smile at him in court that day, and has since said she does not believe Heuermann was capable of the murders.

Heuermann was charged with Brainard-Barnes’s murder on Jan. 16, and pleaded not guilty to that as well. His ex-wife as well as his daughter Victoria Heuermann attended that court appearance. Several family members of victims, represented by attorney Gloria Allred, also attended and gave statements afterwards.

Michael Brown, Heuermann’s defense attorney, has made several statements to the media attempting to cast doubt on the DNA evidence allegedly linking Heuermann to the Gilgo Four.

Prosecutors released this map of the Ocean Parkway victims in 2011.

Other Developments in the Case​

There are up to six other victims – possibly more – linked to the Gilgo Beach murders. Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor’s dismembered, partial remains were found in Manorville in 2000 and 2003, respectively, and were then both found in 2011 on Gilgo Beach. Also found in 2011 on Gilgo Beach were an unidentified Asian male known as “Asian Doe,” and an unidentified toddler.

The toddler was revealed to be the daughter of “Peaches,” an unidentified female whose dismembered, partial remains were found at Hempstead Lake State Park in 1997, and on Jones Beach in 2011. She was nicknamed Peaches due to a distinctive tattoo of a bitten peach on her remains. As recently as 2022, the FBI was seeking relatives of an Elijah Howard, or Howell, of Mobile, Alabama in connection to Peaches’ identity – but there have been no developments since then.

The dismembered, partial remains of “Fire Island Jane Doe” were found on Fire Island in 1996 and on Tobay Beach in 2011. Fire Island Jane Doe was revealed to be Long Island native Karen Vergata in August, roughly two weeks after Heuermann’s arrest.

Miller Place-based attorney John Ray has a sworn affidavit where a witness claims Karen Vergata had been last seen at Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park residence.

Heuermann has not been charged with any of the murders outside of the Gilgo Four. Due to a clear difference in modus operandi – the Gilgo Four were all bound and wrapped in burlap, and the others were dismembered – many have speculated through the years if Long Island has more than one serial killer.

However, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney has said that the same grand jury that indicted Heuermann for the Gilgo Four is investigating the other murders on Gilgo Beach. He has not specifically named any of the victims, nor has Heuermann been officially named a suspect."

Okay I made a mistake.. I made an earlier post some time ago, day or two, that yes it is time they release who WH is? I thought it was being talked of the cop bf of the woman who has the Vergata swinging story or was it and this is different? So little time.

My only problem with this is Brown trying to use Burke to exonerate CB. CB is guilty short of a miracle. And the belt and initials make perfect sense in relation to him as well.

I won't even talk of my day, it has been a HECKUVA day but while the hard day was going on and when I did a post or two in here I was also listening to Daybell and WOW...

 

[Tresir]

So many cases have other suspects before they were ruled out or they had much better evidence for person being tried for the crime. If this is their defense, they are don't seem to have much of one.

I think Burke's role needs a full investigation and it will be interesting to see what the GJ know and come up with in the other cases too.

I am even wondering if the defendant has brought Burke up. Didn't they go to college or school together or something? Anyone else remember that?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm glad they're steering the investigation into others. I don't think they'll find anything to get RH off, but it may help nail the other killer who was working around the same time.

while don't disagree with the sentiment I am a) not convinced one way or the other CB is not the culprit behind some or all of the others; and b) just because the defense atty is stating this and for the reason of getting CB off does not mean authorities are doing squat about the others/any invesigation. there may or may not be another killer and of course any victim could be a one off/not one of the bunch as well. It may surprise you to know that many of the retired NY LE etc. think he may be good for all of them or most and it used to be before an arrest some didn't so much think that way. however, who knows. I can only hope this area and its sheer ridiculous politics heavy bs does not destroy or impede any investigation or further progress but I wouldn't count on it. already such has Harrison gone, the first man or only one that actually got his thing ANYWHERE after all these years.

I will also say this, I doubt CB is only responsible for four deaths in his lifetime.

we are seeing where politics most certainly now impede justice and it is disgusting. I am only just coming recently to realize how badly and I can hardly gett over it or believe it however on the other hand I can, that is how bad it has gotten and how far some people will go and care less about victims or justice.

Burke may or may not be a killer. for such a pussy of a man he certainly has shown a violent streak and certainly did impede and destroy an investigation. forgive my terminology but he has shown such when caught and arrested and there's no other term for it. He seems helpless to help himself from his sick and deviant behavior. I'm not sure I see him as a killer but then who knows... For one thing he wasn't asking for something so much as offering it to someone... If I recall. I think I have that right...

 

[GrandmaBear]

So many cases have other suspects before they were ruled out or they had much better evidence for person being tried for the crime. If this is their defense, they are don't seem to have much of one.

Thank God someone else sees this. This is only the defense atty trying to blow smoke and blame someone other than their client. While I have no idea if he or someone else is responsible for the other murders, they seem to have a very rock solid case against his client for these four. So it ain't flying with me.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think Burke's role needs a full investigation and it will be interesting to see what the GJ know and come up with in the other cases too.

I am even wondering if the defendant has brought Burke up. Didn't they go to college or school together or something? Anyone else remember that?

Is the GJ or even more so LE/prosecution even looking at the other cases? WE knew Brainerd Barnes would be coming and that took some time but only of that one. We hear nothing of them ruling in our out any other case or DNA in any state or here, nothing of them confirming or denying the swinger thing and so on, and with Harrison gone, there is a lot of doubt on how much further they will go and the politics that play in.

I do not recall anything about CB and Burke going to school together but feel free to correct me if wrong. One of the Baldwins went to school with him, is that what youa re thinking of? Stephan Baldwin I think. Hollywood Baldwin, not a top star or box office hit etc. guy lol.

I could be wrong but again correct me if I am.

I suspect for some reason that CB has some LE connections or corrupt sex workers partyin abusing buddies but then on the other hand, these two (Asa and CB) seem to have no friends or life other than what we hear from the swinging stories, etc. and those kinds of friends and one being a cop and that is all IF TRUE.

The whole thing is odd actually. Neighbors and very few have come out knowing a thing about them or claiming to know them other than calling them or him odd. We have a neighbor or two, a former someone or two who worked with him, almost no one on Asa, and no friends saying yeah, we went to dinner with them once a month for years or anyone. and we were friends. No my wife bowled with his wife, no my hub worked with Rex or they connected over this city stuff and had a drink after work on occasion. Don't get me wrong, in many cases we see little and who wants to claim to know a serial killer but NO ONE seems to have known this family or him other than a few who claim how odd.

What is your take on CB2, Asa? For me, the woman CLEARLY knew what to do almost the minute he was arrested meaning file divorce, protect assets and so on while at the same time yelling and crying and being Mrs. Woe Is Me and then securing payment for his killings! Instantly and weirdly other SK children rushed to her aid like Happy Face's daughter and Dennis Rader's daughter and did an atty rush to her too or she seek him out? I don't even have words for how set up that all seems or feels. And while both those daughters were all over every show and the news big time since sh*t hit the fan and people wondered WTH they have disappeared big time. Wherein Rader's daughter was on STEADLY on show after show after show and with the ID case too and more.

 

[Tresir]

Is the GJ or even more so LE/prosecution even looking at the other cases? WE knew Brainerd Barnes would be coming and that took some time but only of that one. We hear nothing of them ruling in our out any other case or DNA in any state or here, nothing of them confirming or denying the swinger thing and so on, and with Harrison gone, there is a lot of doubt on how much further they will go and the politics that play in.

I do not recall anything about CB and Burke going to school together but feel free to correct me if wrong. One of the Baldwins went to school with him, is that what youa re thinking of? Stephan Baldwin I think. Hollywood Baldwin, not a top star or box office hit etc. guy lol.

I could be wrong but again correct me if I am.

I suspect for some reason that CB has some LE connections or corrupt sex workers partyin abusing buddies but then on the other hand, these two (Asa and CB) seem to have no friends or life other than what we hear from the swinging stories, etc. and those kinds of friends and one being a cop and that is all IF TRUE.

The whole thing is odd actually. Neighbors and very few have come out knowing a thing about them or claiming to know them other than calling them or him odd. We have a neighbor or two, a former someone or two who worked with him, almost no one on Asa, and no friends saying yeah, we went to dinner with them once a month for years or anyone. and we were friends. No my wife bowled with his wife, no my hub worked with Rex or they connected over this city stuff and had a drink after work on occasion. Don't get me wrong, in many cases we see little and who wants to claim to know a serial killer but NO ONE seems to have known this family or him other than a few who claim how odd.

What is your take on CB2, Asa? For me, the woman CLEARLY knew what to do almost the minute he was arrested meaning file divorce, protect assets and so on while at the same time yelling and crying and being Mrs. Woe Is Me and then securing payment for his killings! Instantly and weirdly other SK children rushed to her aid like Happy Face's daughter and Dennis Rader's daughter and did an atty rush to her too or she seek him out? I don't even have words for how set up that all seems or feels. And while both those daughters were all over every show and the news big time since sh*t hit the fan and people wondered WTH they have disappeared big time. Wherein Rader's daughter was on STEADLY on show after show after show and with the ID case too and more.

I don't know what to think of her but she was clearly into swinging or at least knew about it at one time. Was away during the four he has been accused of so there's that. I won't criticise them as they are victims, so she will do what she needs to do and the documentary crew are clearly giving her support that she needs, even if it is lending her a jacket that doesn't fit LOL. Somebody will tell the story but I don't have to like the process.

Update on daughter's DOB, here is a Jan '24 article now giving her age as 27, meaning she must have turned 27 in the last six months. Therefore DOB narrows down to between Jul 96 and Jan 97.

This seems to verify the witness as correct and so it is likely DOB would be late summer '96 IMO.

Gilgo 'serial killer's' children's relationship status with their dad revealed

REX Heuermann’s children are still struggling to adapt to life in the wake of his arrest and have not yet decided whether they’ll visit the accused Gilgo Beach killer in prison, their l…

www.the-sun.com

 

[Tresir]

Very interesting. Talks about the FBI, other suspects investigated, including Burke, and a cop with the initials WH.

Gilgo Beach killings: Lawyers for alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann want James Burke's FBI files

The development came as the attorney for ex-Suffolk Police Chief James Burke revealed Wednesday his client was cleared as a Gilgo suspect by the FBI and Suffolk homicide detectives.

www.newsday.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't know what to think of her but she was clearly into swinging or at least knew about it at one time. Was away during the four he has been accused of so there's that. I won't criticise them as they are victims, so she will do what she needs to do and the documentary crew are clearly giving her support that she needs, even if it is lending her a jacket that doesn't fit LOL. Somebody will tell the story but I don't have to like the process.

Update on daughter's DOB, here is a Jan '24 article now giving her age as 27, meaning she must have turned 27 in the last six months. Therefore DOB narrows down to between Jul 96 and Jan 97.

This seems to verify the witness as correct and so it is likely DOB would be late summer '96 IMO.

Gilgo 'serial killer's' children's relationship status with their dad revealed

REX Heuermann’s children are still struggling to adapt to life in the wake of his arrest and have not yet decided whether they’ll visit the accused Gilgo Beach killer in prison, their l…

www.the-sun.com

I don't think there are records or confirmation for her being away for all four. My memory does not always serve but it has never been all. I think it was two of the three initially charged. Not sure now if two of four or three of four now that they have charged Brainard Barnes. They could not get all of her cell records how far back as I recall it. But could confirm out of town with I believe TWO. I could not be entirely correct on that but I know it was not all of the three and now four.

I don't see it as giving her the support she needs OMG and lol. This woman where many would needed no support imo she knew exactly what to do immediately imo and that alone makes her highly suspicious to me. She played the bereft wife and down and out person all while filing for divorce and entirely capable. Imo.

They are both or were supposed swingers but I also see them both as total players and liars and gamers. And I don't mean video games I mean gaming the system.

I am concerned whether we will ever hear another word from prosecution/LE as to confirming anything further. As to the swinging, other victims, DNA comparison to other cases, etc. Those who worked in the area in LE who have channels are concerned about such as well and the politics and sh*t going on.

Imo for instance they need to verify the likelihood of the swinging story or come out and say it is B's and here is why just for starters.

They somewhat stick up for Tierney but not entirely it is a wait and see and he IS just a puppet to a point run by high powers and politics I think is the point. We will see what he does but imo it is time he does something and says something. Probably won't but it would be a wise move to do so if he is in it for the right reasons but so many aren't these days. Cynical me.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't know what to think of her but she was clearly into swinging or at least knew about it at one time. Was away during the four he has been accused of so there's that. I won't criticise them as they are victims, so she will do what she needs to do and the documentary crew are clearly giving her support that she needs, even if it is lending her a jacket that doesn't fit LOL. Somebody will tell the story but I don't have to like the process.

Update on daughter's DOB, here is a Jan '24 article now giving her age as 27, meaning she must have turned 27 in the last six months. Therefore DOB narrows down to between Jul 96 and Jan 97.

This seems to verify the witness as correct and so it is likely DOB would be late summer '96 IMO.

Gilgo 'serial killer's' children's relationship status with their dad revealed

REX Heuermann’s children are still struggling to adapt to life in the wake of his arrest and have not yet decided whether they’ll visit the accused Gilgo Beach killer in prison, their l…

www.the-sun.com

I have never myself looked at age or date of birth. I just took the word for it, I used to verify things myself, but in this figured if not likely then someone would have been all over it being impossible.

So if late summer then Asa wouldn't have been obviously or noticeably pregnant to a stranger in February who didn't know her normal weight, build, etc. and not all that far along which fiits with the woman thought she may have declined sex because of her race.

 

[Tresir]

I don't think there are records or confirmation for her being away for all four. My memory does not always serve but it has never been all. I think it was two of the three initially charged. Not sure now if two of four or three of four now that they have charged Brainard Barnes. They could not get all of her cell records how far back as I recall it. But could confirm out of town with I believe TWO. I could not be entirely correct on that but I know it was not all of the three and now four.

I don't see it as giving her the support she needs OMG and lol. This woman where many would needed no support imo she knew exactly what to do immediately imo and that alone makes her highly suspicious to me. She played the bereft wife and down and out person all while filing for divorce and entirely capable. Imo.

They are both or were supposed swingers but I also see them both as total players and liars and gamers. And I don't mean video games I mean gaming the system.

I am concerned whether we will ever hear another word from prosecution/LE as to confirming anything further. As to the swinging, other victims, DNA comparison to other cases, etc. Those who worked in the area in LE who have channels are concerned about such as well and the politics and sh*t going on.

Imo for instance they need to verify the likelihood of the swinging story or come out and say it is B's and here is why just for starters.

They somewhat stick up for Tierney but not entirely it is a wait and see and he IS just a puppet to a point run by high powers and politics I think is the point. We will see what he does but imo it is time he does something and says something. Probably won't but it would be a wise move to do so if he is in it for the right reasons but so many aren't these days. Cynical me.

I read she and the kids were out of the country for three and at an Atlantic city hotel for the fourth one. (Verified by phone records.)

Being a swinger isn't illegal but murder is LOL.

 

[Tresir]

I have never myself looked at age or date of birth. I just took the word for it, I used to verify things myself, but in this figured if not likely then someone would have been all over it being impossible.

So if late summer then Asa wouldn't have been obviously or noticeably pregnant to a stranger in February who didn't know her normal weight, build, etc. and not all that far along which fiits with the woman thought she may have declined sex because of her race.

Yes or she may have declined it due to being pregnant but the woman believed it was due to race.

I don't think there are records or confirmation for her being away for all four. My memory does not always serve but it has never been all. I think it was two of the three initially charged. Not sure now if two of four or three of four now that they have charged Brainard Barnes. They could not get all of her cell records how far back as I recall it. But could confirm out of town with I believe TWO. I could not be entirely correct on that but I know it was not all of the three and now four.

I don't see it as giving her the support she needs OMG and lol. This woman where many would needed no support imo she knew exactly what to do immediately imo and that alone makes her highly suspicious to me. She played the bereft wife and down and out person all while filing for divorce and entirely capable. Imo.

They are both or were supposed swingers but I also see them both as total players and liars and gamers. And I don't mean video games I mean gaming the system.

I am concerned whether we will ever hear another word from prosecution/LE as to confirming anything further. As to the swinging, other victims, DNA comparison to other cases, etc. Those who worked in the area in LE who have channels are concerned about such as well and the politics and sh*t going on.

Imo for instance they need to verify the likelihood of the swinging story or come out and say it is B's and here is why just for starters.

They somewhat stick up for Tierney but not entirely it is a wait and see and he IS just a puppet to a point run by high powers and politics I think is the point. We will see what he does but imo it is time he does something and says something. Probably won't but it would be a wise move to do so if he is in it for the right reasons but so many aren't these days. Cynical me.

This article below says it is in the indictment that she was away for all four.

"On Tuesday, prosecutors said DNA samples from hair found on the bodies were linked back to Heuermann or his wife, Asa Ellerup, and 26-year-old daughter, Victoria Heuermann.
Heuermann’s family was out of town — but not the architect — when the four murders were committed, the indictment said."

Daughter of fourth victim tied to accused Gilgo Beach killer hopes to finally achieve justice for murdered mom

The shattered daughter of the latest victim tied to accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann said Tuesday she hopes the new charges against him will finally bring justice for her mom.

nypost.com

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Thank God someone else sees this. This is only the defense atty trying to blow smoke and blame someone other than their client. While I have no idea if he or someone else is responsible for the other murders, they seem to have a very rock solid case against his client for these four. So it ain't flying with me.

Nothing is going to get him off from the four he's been charged with. His DNA, his wife's DNA, the phone tracking, and all of the other things they have are a slam dunk in four cases. I don't think he was the only one operating then.

When Arthur Shawcross was operating here in Rochester, the police briefly thought there may be two operating at the same time. The NYC area is huge and another serial killer being there isn't a stretch of the imagination, JMO

 

[Guess Who]

Nothing is going to get him off from the four he's been charged with. His DNA, his wife's DNA, the phone tracking, and all of the other things they have are a slam dunk in four cases. I don't think he was the only one operating then.

When Arthur Shawcross was operating here in Rochester, the police briefly thought there may be two operating at the same time. The NYC area is huge and another serial killer being there isn't a stretch of the imagination, JMO

Exactly! This trial isn't about the other what-if's.

 

[Regina]

Nothing is going to get him off from the four he's been charged with. His DNA, his wife's DNA, the phone tracking, and all of the other things they have are a slam dunk in four cases. I don't think he was the only one operating then.

When Arthur Shawcross was operating here in Rochester, the police briefly thought there may be two operating at the same time. The NYC area is huge and another serial killer being there isn't a stretch of the imagination, JMO

I'm not sure whether "Peaches" and her toddler or "Cherries" or the Asian male were murdered by the same perp but speaking of serial killers, there's one- he's dead now- Robert Shulman, who was convicted of at least a couple of murders and although he later confessed to three more, it seems to me that he's a good suspect for Vergata's murder, also. (He was arrested shortly after her disappearance and so he's ruled out for cases after April of '96.)

 

[GrandmaBear]

I read she and the kids were out of the country for three and at an Atlantic city hotel for the fourth one. (Verified by phone records.)

Being a swinger isn't illegal but murder is LOL.

well in some states in some old laws on the books that are now ignored swinging Is probably illegal. lol. the law still exists in many a place just about having sex with anyone but your spouse. there are some ancient ones still on the book but long ignored. like that case back when and it may even have been NY can't recall, where the woman sued her hub's mistress for alienation of affection or something like that and won. she went after the two with a vengeance. lol. using some old law like that.

I am pretty certain there was one if not two (Barnes came later) that they dont' have evidence for that she was gone. Could be wrong. From the start though they only had it on two of the three I believe.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Manorville Search Hits One Week Mark; DA Won’t Confirm If It’s Gilgo-Related

The multi-agency search in the woods of Manorville for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach murders continued through the weekend and into Tuesday, marking a whole week since it began. The Suffolk County District Attorney still won't confirm if the search is related to the Gilgo Beach...

www.longislandpress.com

Posted on April 25, 2024
By Michael Malaszczyk

The multi-agency search in the woods of Manorville for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach murders continued on Thursday.

Residents have reported a heavy police presence on Wading River Road in Manorville since Tuesday. As of Wednesday, numerous NYPD officers with K-9 units have been visible on the road. State police were involved as well.

The Suffolk County District Attorney’s office has still not directly confirmed that this is in connection with the Gilgo investigation – but sources close to multiple media outlets said it was.

“The Suffolk County Police Department, the New York Police Department and the New York State Police are working with the District Attorney’s Office on an ongoing investigation,” a spokesperson for the DA said. “We do not comment on investigative steps while they are underway. We will make further statements when appropriate.”

Several media outlets have been on the scene since Wednesday, including the Press. Police have not confirmed if anything has been found in the area, but reporters spotted Det. Lt. Kevin Beyrer, commanding officer of the Suffolk County Police Homicide Squad, on the scene.


Two victims tied to the Gilgo Beach murders were found in Manorville. Valerie Mack’s partial remains were found in Manorville in 2000, and Jessica Taylor’s were found there in 2003.

Further remains of both were found on Gilgo Beach in 2011.

 

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Manorville Search Hits One Week Mark; DA Won’t Confirm If It’s Gilgo-Related

The multi-agency search in the woods of Manorville for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach murders continued through the weekend and into Tuesday, marking a whole week since it began. The Suffolk County District Attorney still won't confirm if the search is related to the Gilgo Beach...

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Posted on April 25, 2024
By Michael Malaszczyk

The multi-agency search in the woods of Manorville for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach murders continued on Thursday.

Residents have reported a heavy police presence on Wading River Road in Manorville since Tuesday. As of Wednesday, numerous NYPD officers with K-9 units have been visible on the road. State police were involved as well.

The Suffolk County District Attorney’s office has still not directly confirmed that this is in connection with the Gilgo investigation – but sources close to multiple media outlets said it was.

“The Suffolk County Police Department, the New York Police Department and the New York State Police are working with the District Attorney’s Office on an ongoing investigation,” a spokesperson for the DA said. “We do not comment on investigative steps while they are underway. We will make further statements when appropriate.”

Several media outlets have been on the scene since Wednesday, including the Press. Police have not confirmed if anything has been found in the area, but reporters spotted Det. Lt. Kevin Beyrer, commanding officer of the Suffolk County Police Homicide Squad, on the scene.


Two victims tied to the Gilgo Beach murders were found in Manorville. Valerie Mack’s partial remains were found in Manorville in 2000, and Jessica Taylor’s were found there in 2003.

Further remains of both were found on Gilgo Beach in 2011.

Finally some other movement. Okay!! Let's go! Seems likely it would have to be connected as not much else they are looking at right now that WE are aware of for perps and possible ties.

Wonder what prompted a search though... And WHAT they are looking for or think is there...