Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

www.crimewatchers.net

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[Summer_Breeze]

Search of Manorville In Connection To Gilgo Beach Murders Expands To North Sea and Halsey Manor Road

The multi-agency search in the woods of Manorville for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach murders continued on Friday, and expanded to the North Sea hamlet on the South Fork, as well as Manorville's own Halsey Manor Road.

www.longislandpress.com

By Michael Malaszczyk
Posted on April 26, 2024

The multi-agency search in the woods of Manorville for evidence related to the Gilgo Beach murders continued on Friday, and expanded to the North Sea hamlet on the South Fork, as well as Manorville’s own Halsey Manor Road.

Halsey Manor Road was where victims Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor were found, partially, in 2000 and 2003, respectively. Further remains of both were found on Gilgo Beach in 2011.

North Sea has never come up in relation to the Gilgo Beach murders – however, it is where Sandra Costilla’s remains were found in 1993. The prime suspect in Costilla’s murder has been John Bittrolff – who was convicted of murdering two other women in the 1990s in 2017 – but Bittrolff was never officially charged.

Bittrolff was from Manorville and at one point considered a suspect in the Gilgo Beach case, but Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney recently said Bittrolff has no connection to the Gilgo murders.

Residents have reported a heavy police presence on Wading River Road in Manorville since Tuesday. Numerous NYPD officers with K-9 units have been visible on the road. State police are involved as well.

The Suffolk County District Attorney’s office has still not directly confirmed that this is in connection with the Gilgo investigation – but sources close to multiple media outlets said it was.

“The Suffolk County Police Department, the New York Police Department and the New York State Police are working with the District Attorney’s Office on an ongoing investigation,” a spokesperson for the DA said. “We do not comment on investigative steps while they are underway. We will make further statements when appropriate.”

Several media outlets have been on the scene since Wednesday, including the Press. Police have not confirmed if anything has been found in the area, but reporters spotted Det. Lt. Kevin Beyrer, commanding officer of the Suffolk County Police Homicide Squad, on the scene.

Two victims tied to the Gilgo Beach murders were found in Manorville. Valerie Mack’s partial remains were found in Manorville in 2000, and Jessica Taylor’s were found there in 2003.

Further remains of both were found on Gilgo Beach in 2011.

“I’m hopeful and grateful to know how much dedication is being put into the investigation,” Jasmine Robinson, Jessica Taylor’s cousin, told the Press.

Rex Heuermann is charged with the murders of four victims found on Gilgo – Melissa Barthelemy, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Amber Lynn Costello, and Megan Waterman. But the DA has said previously that the grand jury investigation into the other bodies on Gilgo Beach would be continuing.

There were two unidentified males found in the area as well; the Press covered this back in 2011.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Very curious. That's a huge effort and presence and multi day. What sent them there, what do they expect to find and now a new area, North Sea, never connected to Gilgo before. Tierney allegedly said Bitroff is not tied to the Gilgo murders but these might not be considered Gilgo murders, and could relate to Bitroff, however it is said or rumored this search is related to Gilgo from sources.

Are they looking for another body or found one? Another possibility.

You know, I don't think we have ever discussed how parts of both women were found later on Gilgo in 2011. That's eight to 11 years after finding their bodies in Manorville. I mean not discussed as IN did the killer dump the bodies and parts at the same time in two different places or did the killer sickly KEEP parts and dispose of them elsewhere years later... and that is why they were found years later and not before... And IF so, is he doing that to taunt and get them going on it or confuse them or is to to dispose of evidence/body remains he kept he figured he'd better be getting rid of for some reason at that point in time? Or were the bodies and parts there from the same time in two different places but the parts not found until years later? That seems less likely imo...

 

[Tresir]

Oh I am way behind on this news. I just found and read this DM article and see you are covering it already.

With Karen Vergata, I know they didn't find all her body parts so I guess they could be looking for those missing parts (her arms and torso) for DNA matches.

Only her legs were found in 1996 on Fire Island and her skull in 2011 on Tobay Beach.

Cops search new location in Gilgo Beach murder investigation

Detectives began searching a wooded area in Manorville, New York on Tuesday in connection with the Gilgo Beach murder probe, police sources said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tresir]

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh I am way behind on this news. I just found and read this DM article and see you are covering it already.

With Karen Vergata, I know they didn't find all her body parts so I guess they could be looking for those missing parts (her arms and torso) for DNA matches.

Only her legs were found in 1996 on Fire Island and her skull in 2011 on Tobay Beach.

Cops search new location in Gilgo Beach murder investigation

Detectives began searching a wooded area in Manorville, New York on Tuesday in connection with the Gilgo Beach murder probe, police sources said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yeah I wondered where you were on this one. I can't do notifications or anything in this life any longer, I live by the new posts feature. And if I see a case I know or follow that's the best I can do to keep up.

Typical DM article. A bit about the new search but then a lot of pics long article and former stuff.

CB's defense atty trying to put Burke the disgraced chief in this as the perp is up there with B & R trying to put O's in as the perp/s. NEITHER claim removes their client but puts them with them at best lol. Or in cahoots. Bullets, hairs and so on. These alternate SODDIs is it? Aren't someone else did it, in these cases it is someone else was there with me and we both or all did it lol.

Overall the DM article does not have much as to these new searches with multiple agenices over many days...

But yeah, what do you think?

Could be about Karen. Could be about anything...

 

[GrandmaBear]

I watch Joe, I am not a Twitter or X person but watch him on YT. Like him much. Havent' seen him lately pop up for me but YTs algorithms are dumb or always changing as to what is suggested to watch even if a subscriber.

Not sure what a lockbox would have to do with anything or if it has to do with any of this but I trust him thus far and his connections. Maybe it is related to something and maybe to something else all together. I will have to see if he has a show on YT recently if I recall or have the time.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Watching Joe right now but it was to be about the Read case. However, in starting out, he and guest are talking of something Newsday put out the other day of an interview with prosecutor Tiierney on this case. If anyone has time to find, it's recently, just a couple days ago it sounds like. Getting ready for work while listening and just starting to listen to it. Looking into all the other cases and so on for one is all I've heard this far and again getging read so no time to post or look unless I end up with a few minutes before I have to leave. Just a heads up.

 

[GrandmaBear]

OKAY I have to take a moment to say more. This is titled about Read but they are talking about LISK, his main case I'd say, this far in. John Ray has someone who signed an affidavit having seen CB and BURKE TOGETHER??? Did I miss this somehow??? And how Tierney has done a 180 and more. And this recent huge search MAJOR with tons of agencies... I knew that part.

 

[GrandmaBear]

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Rex Heuermann’s family kept gruesome piece of evidence, source says

A gruesome scrapbook of black-and-white crime scene photos taken by a California homicide detective was spotted inside the suspected serial killer's home, source says.

www.yahoo.com

Rex Heuermann’s family kept gruesome piece of evidence, source says​

Michael Ruiz
Tue, May 21, 2024 at 4:00 AM EDT

Shortly before New York police made a surprise return to the Long Island home of suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann, his family was still in possession of a gruesome album of crime scene photos, according to a source with knowledge of the incident.

The book, "Death Scenes: A Homicide Detective’s Scrapbook," is a collection of "strange and gruesome" crime scene photos taken by California detective Jack Huddleston and was allegedly spotted on a kitchen table in the home where Heuermann's estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, lives with their two adult children.

Ellerup’s lawyer, Bob Macedonio, said he had no knowledge of the book.

The source said it had been inventoried by detectives during the initial search of Heuermann’s home and returned to his family.

Investigators have said that Heuermann frequently searched the internet for gruesome images.

They allegedly found dozens of search terms – including "torture redhead porn," "girl with face beat up," "chubby 10 year old girl crying," and "Asian twink tied up" – on a burner phone and email account they seized under the fake name "Thomas Hawk." They also found more than 200 searches regarding other known serial killers and the Gilgo Beach case itself.

It’s unclear why police returned to Heuermann’s home Monday after spending almost two weeks investigating the building following his arrest in connection with three cold case murders in July. He was later charged with a fourth woman’s death in the "Gilgo Four" case — where four women’s remains were discovered next to Gilgo Beach on Ocean Parkway, about 20 minutes from Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home, on a sparsely populated stretch of highway.

<snip>

In April, police K-9s were seen sniffing through the forest in Manorville, about 40 miles away from Gilgo Beach.

"I think it’s directly tied to the search from out east and that box that they found," said Joseph Giacalone, a former NYPD sergeant and cold case expert at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "I don’t believe in coincidences."

Whatever new evidence led police back to the home is likely more substantial than the chilling scrapbook, he said.

"They never dug up the basement, and I don’t find it a coincidence that Asa and her kids left yesterday with bags," he said. "As soon as those command vehicles showed up, I knew this was something big. They don’t drag those out just for a looksee."

Ellerup and her two adult children were out of town on a pre-planned trip when police arrived at the home Monday morning, her attorney said.

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More at link. ~Summer

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Rex Heuermann’s family kept gruesome piece of evidence, source says

A gruesome scrapbook of black-and-white crime scene photos taken by a California homicide detective was spotted inside the suspected serial killer's home, source says.

www.yahoo.com

Rex Heuermann’s family kept gruesome piece of evidence, source says​

Michael Ruiz
Tue, May 21, 2024 at 4:00 AM EDT

Shortly before New York police made a surprise return to the Long Island home of suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann, his family was still in possession of a gruesome album of crime scene photos, according to a source with knowledge of the incident.

The book, "Death Scenes: A Homicide Detective’s Scrapbook," is a collection of "strange and gruesome" crime scene photos taken by California detective Jack Huddleston and was allegedly spotted on a kitchen table in the home where Heuermann's estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, lives with their two adult children.

Ellerup’s lawyer, Bob Macedonio, said he had no knowledge of the book.

The source said it had been inventoried by detectives during the initial search of Heuermann’s home and returned to his family.

Investigators have said that Heuermann frequently searched the internet for gruesome images.

They allegedly found dozens of search terms – including "torture redhead porn," "girl with face beat up," "chubby 10 year old girl crying," and "Asian twink tied up" – on a burner phone and email account they seized under the fake name "Thomas Hawk." They also found more than 200 searches regarding other known serial killers and the Gilgo Beach case itself.

It’s unclear why police returned to Heuermann’s home Monday after spending almost two weeks investigating the building following his arrest in connection with three cold case murders in July. He was later charged with a fourth woman’s death in the "Gilgo Four" case — where four women’s remains were discovered next to Gilgo Beach on Ocean Parkway, about 20 minutes from Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home, on a sparsely populated stretch of highway.

<snip>

In April, police K-9s were seen sniffing through the forest in Manorville, about 40 miles away from Gilgo Beach.

"I think it’s directly tied to the search from out east and that box that they found," said Joseph Giacalone, a former NYPD sergeant and cold case expert at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "I don’t believe in coincidences."

Whatever new evidence led police back to the home is likely more substantial than the chilling scrapbook, he said.

"They never dug up the basement, and I don’t find it a coincidence that Asa and her kids left yesterday with bags," he said. "As soon as those command vehicles showed up, I knew this was something big. They don’t drag those out just for a looksee."

Ellerup and her two adult children were out of town on a pre-planned trip when police arrived at the home Monday morning, her attorney said.

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More at link. ~Summer

 

[GrandmaBear]

Kind of cryptic but apparently something is up. So they were BACK to the home again recently? And Asa and kids just happened to be out of town on a preplanned trip? Or are they talking back when? Seems to be recent? Not sure how the book plays into that... I did read it, but kind of cryptic as to what the heck...

 

[Tresir]

Managed to copy some of the NYT article before it chucked me out again.

After Rex Heuermann was arrested last summer and then charged with murdering four women whose bodies were found in 2010 along Gilgo Beach on Long Island, prosecutors disclosed a barrage of details to support their case, including genetic evidence and sadistic porn sites they said Mr. Heuermann visited.
Now, with the trial still months away, the defense’s strategy is beginning to take shape. Mr. Heuermann’s lawyer, Michael J. Brown, has begun to float an alternate theory about the case: that the investigation into the murders was tainted years ago by the involvement of a now-disgraced Long Island police chief.
The chief, James Burke, who oversaw the investigation as head of the Suffolk County Police Department from 2012 to 2015, later became a symbol of police corruption and spent time in federal prison.
At a hearing last month following a procedural court appearance by Mr. Heuermann, Mr. Brown repeated his client’s claims of innocence. He also suggested that the real killer might have eluded arrest years ago when Mr. Burke was running the investigation.

Mr. Brown, a charismatic figure who arrives at court in a gleaming pickup truck, even suggested that Mr. Burke himself might have been involved in the four Gilgo killings, alluding to a fringe theory held by some followers of the case. Among the hundreds of leads turned over to him by prosecutors, Mr. Brown said, were “numerous” ones alluding to Mr. Burke’s involvement. Mr. Brown did not offer more details, and Mr. Burke is not a suspec

 

[Tresir]

OKAY I have to take a moment to say more. This is titled about Read but they are talking about LISK, his main case I'd say, this far in. John Ray has someone who signed an affidavit having seen CB and BURKE TOGETHER??? Did I miss this somehow??? And how Tierney has done a 180 and more. And this recent huge search MAJOR with tons of agencies... I knew that part.

You know I am wondering if he turns out to be the boyfriend cop who went with his girlfriend and Vergata to Heuermann's on Valentine's day '96. It sure would fit.

The house is being searched again. They are there right now. Lots of detail and pics in this DM article.

Cops put up tent in serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann yard in search

About 8.30am, some 15 detectives from the Suffolk County PD entered Rex Heuermann's property on Long Island, moving out boxes and bags which they loaded into a white box truck.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tresir]

Watching Joe right now but it was to be about the Read case. However, in starting out, he and guest are talking of something Newsday put out the other day of an interview with prosecutor Tiierney on this case. If anyone has time to find, it's recently, just a couple days ago it sounds like. Getting ready for work while listening and just starting to listen to it. Looking into all the other cases and so on for one is all I've heard this far and again getging read so no time to post or look unless I end up with a few minutes before I have to leave. Just a heads up.

This may be the interview. I just watched it and recommend it. Under 45 mins.

Gilgo Beach killings: Exclusive interview with Suffolk district attorney

Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney came to the Newsday studios for a one-on-one interview on the state of the investigation with Newsday columnist Joye Brown.

www.newsday.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

Rex Heuermann’s family kept gruesome piece of evidence, source says

A gruesome scrapbook of black-and-white crime scene photos taken by a California homicide detective was spotted inside the suspected serial killer's home, source says.

www.yahoo.com

Rex Heuermann’s family kept gruesome piece of evidence, source says​

Michael Ruiz
Tue, May 21, 2024 at 4:00 AM EDT

Shortly before New York police made a surprise return to the Long Island home of suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann, his family was still in possession of a gruesome album of crime scene photos, according to a source with knowledge of the incident.

The book, "Death Scenes: A Homicide Detective’s Scrapbook," is a collection of "strange and gruesome" crime scene photos taken by California detective Jack Huddleston and was allegedly spotted on a kitchen table in the home where Heuermann's estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, lives with their two adult children.

Ellerup’s lawyer, Bob Macedonio, said he had no knowledge of the book.

The source said it had been inventoried by detectives during the initial search of Heuermann’s home and returned to his family.

Investigators have said that Heuermann frequently searched the internet for gruesome images.

They allegedly found dozens of search terms – including "torture redhead porn," "girl with face beat up," "chubby 10 year old girl crying," and "Asian twink tied up" – on a burner phone and email account they seized under the fake name "Thomas Hawk." They also found more than 200 searches regarding other known serial killers and the Gilgo Beach case itself.

It’s unclear why police returned to Heuermann’s home Monday after spending almost two weeks investigating the building following his arrest in connection with three cold case murders in July. He was later charged with a fourth woman’s death in the "Gilgo Four" case — where four women’s remains were discovered next to Gilgo Beach on Ocean Parkway, about 20 minutes from Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home, on a sparsely populated stretch of highway.

<snip>

In April, police K-9s were seen sniffing through the forest in Manorville, about 40 miles away from Gilgo Beach.

"I think it’s directly tied to the search from out east and that box that they found," said Joseph Giacalone, a former NYPD sergeant and cold case expert at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "I don’t believe in coincidences."

Whatever new evidence led police back to the home is likely more substantial than the chilling scrapbook, he said.

"They never dug up the basement, and I don’t find it a coincidence that Asa and her kids left yesterday with bags," he said. "As soon as those command vehicles showed up, I knew this was something big. They don’t drag those out just for a looksee."

Ellerup and her two adult children were out of town on a pre-planned trip when police arrived at the home Monday morning, her attorney said.

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More at link. ~Summer

Okay the first time I read this I couldn't understand what was meant about the book but now that I reread it, it is clear. So they are saying they gave the serial killer book death scene scrapbook back and all this time later, almost a year from date of his arrest already, they had the scrapbook out and handy on the kitchen table. WEIRD. On the other hand, Asa seems to be no housekeeper and they likely eat takeout in their recliners playing video games and not at her kitchen table... Not really being sarcastic, much makes it seem likely, has been said they are all gamers and she is rolling in the dough now. I fail to understand why she stayed there but maybe she didn't DARE move or someone else would have access to the house and any evidence not yet found...

I guess it's possible she got the book back and just threw it on the table and it has laid there since but it's also possible someone else in that family has a serious interest in macabre deaths and scenes....

 

[GrandmaBear]

Rex Heuermann’s family kept gruesome piece of evidence, source says

A gruesome scrapbook of black-and-white crime scene photos taken by a California homicide detective was spotted inside the suspected serial killer's home, source says.

www.yahoo.com

Rex Heuermann’s family kept gruesome piece of evidence, source says​

Michael Ruiz
Tue, May 21, 2024 at 4:00 AM EDT

Shortly before New York police made a surprise return to the Long Island home of suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann, his family was still in possession of a gruesome album of crime scene photos, according to a source with knowledge of the incident.

The book, "Death Scenes: A Homicide Detective’s Scrapbook," is a collection of "strange and gruesome" crime scene photos taken by California detective Jack Huddleston and was allegedly spotted on a kitchen table in the home where Heuermann's estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, lives with their two adult children.

Ellerup’s lawyer, Bob Macedonio, said he had no knowledge of the book.

The source said it had been inventoried by detectives during the initial search of Heuermann’s home and returned to his family.

Investigators have said that Heuermann frequently searched the internet for gruesome images.

They allegedly found dozens of search terms – including "torture redhead porn," "girl with face beat up," "chubby 10 year old girl crying," and "Asian twink tied up" – on a burner phone and email account they seized under the fake name "Thomas Hawk." They also found more than 200 searches regarding other known serial killers and the Gilgo Beach case itself.

It’s unclear why police returned to Heuermann’s home Monday after spending almost two weeks investigating the building following his arrest in connection with three cold case murders in July. He was later charged with a fourth woman’s death in the "Gilgo Four" case — where four women’s remains were discovered next to Gilgo Beach on Ocean Parkway, about 20 minutes from Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home, on a sparsely populated stretch of highway.

<snip>

In April, police K-9s were seen sniffing through the forest in Manorville, about 40 miles away from Gilgo Beach.

"I think it’s directly tied to the search from out east and that box that they found," said Joseph Giacalone, a former NYPD sergeant and cold case expert at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "I don’t believe in coincidences."

Whatever new evidence led police back to the home is likely more substantial than the chilling scrapbook, he said.

"They never dug up the basement, and I don’t find it a coincidence that Asa and her kids left yesterday with bags," he said. "As soon as those command vehicles showed up, I knew this was something big. They don’t drag those out just for a looksee."

Ellerup and her two adult children were out of town on a pre-planned trip when police arrived at the home Monday morning, her attorney said.

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More at link. ~Summer

Also, just going to point out it has to almost be some LE officer who leaked this to news, I mean who else would have been in the home and seen such during the search? No one. Interesting they find something to leak that makes quite a splashy headline for a serial killer case, a book about death scenes...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Just catching up. CB's lawyer full on implicating ex police chief. He has received numerous tips. I have been following the news but was waiting for results of the Manorville search really.

Defense Strategy in Gilgo Murder Case: Blame a Corrupt Police Chief

The lawyer for Rex Heuermann, the man accused in the case, said the early involvement of a notorious Long Island police chief may have tainted the investigation.

www.nytimes.com

Darn it. I'd have to sign up to read it and not going to do that. While I can see Burke as good for something, well actually he's a good for nothing but I mean good for or guilty of a crime/s, I don't see that he can get CB off the hook. There's the hair and all that phone evidence, the vehicle description and a TON more.

And WHAT numerous tips? If anyone could place Burke with these murdered sex workers, wouldn't they have called such in before today and not to CB's lawyer of all people? What is it, just random people saying I'm sure Burke did it with no evidence? Again I can't read the article, if you want to share parts of it, it would help.

It sounds pretty ridiculous to me. So have they said this is going to be their defense?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Just catching up. CB's lawyer full on implicating ex police chief. He has received numerous tips. I have been following the news but was waiting for results of the Manorville search really.

Defense Strategy in Gilgo Murder Case: Blame a Corrupt Police Chief

The lawyer for Rex Heuermann, the man accused in the case, said the early involvement of a notorious Long Island police chief may have tainted the investigation.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah that's where I'd been at, waiting to hear more on Manorville, last thing I expected was another search of the residence. Wow... They've never dug up the basement as someone said in something I watched or read but it sounds like they are in the back yard again? Or both inside and out?

This is an out there thought and all know my opinion of Asa, but just a real out there thought, could she POSSIBLY be working with the police...? Nah. Can't see it. BUT clearly showing CB and the world she sides with him... Would he then confide... In NO WAY do I think this of her, I think the OPPOSITE, she's scum too BUT the part about a preplanned trip is a bit odd. LE would NOT warn her they were coming in again imo... Or did they somehow know of her trip and intentionally came in at that time....?

I haven't read all, maybe some is explained... Just catching up with your posts.

 

[GrandmaBear]

You know I am wondering if he turns out to be the boyfriend cop who went with his girlfriend and Vergata to Heuermann's on Valentine's day '96. It sure would fit.

The house is being searched again. They are there right now. Lots of detail and pics in this DM article.

Cops put up tent in serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann yard in search

About 8.30am, some 15 detectives from the Suffolk County PD entered Rex Heuermann's property on Long Island, moving out boxes and bags which they loaded into a white box truck.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I'll read article in a minute here but just want to say it can't be Burke but yeah it would be a weird fit. They've given the officer's initial and that he was undercover drugs, etc. and what agency too I think. I don't think they are lying about that. You do mean Burke don't you or is there something or someone else in the DM article, I just assumed you are talking Burke as you were in the previous post.

Going to read it now. At least with them I never have to pay or sign up to see their articles lol. Although they are a bit of a rag, they sure get the pics and sh*t lol.